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On April 22 2015 15:25 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 14:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
Breshke let her cool down and talk to me about BH's monstrosity and Damdred for a bit.
Did you read that post? Do you have any primary thoughts? Sorry i actually didn't see this. I like skim read through it skipped a few bits in the end/middle. I feel bad on commenting on stuff like that before reading it properly because if bh is town or scum he obviously put a lot of effort into it for me to just come and be like didnt read it here's what i think. Anyway first off i don't like how it feels like he was trying to push scum on what felt like every single thing that damdred has posted. I don't think if someone is scum that they are scum in all their posts if that makes sense. Some of the early stuff I think bh had a problem with can be explained by damdred thinking it was standard IML and then being told it wasn't(this is referring to the throwing away vote thing) . I can see how BH would miss this as if you read damdreds filter (I assume this is what happend) and not the game you wouldn't really get the grasp of that. Then i don't really rememebr much else from it other than the point about him voting artanis after BH came in with his excuse that damdred predicted. I liked this point and it is odd but damdred did say to me that his vote on artanis was trying to make stuff happen so i can see a world where he would push on artanis instead of BH here because more people would react to the artanis push whereas a push on bh would get put down as a plynch
I think it's actually pretty hilarious for so many people to come in and go tl;dr to BH's post. He kinda deserves it for playing like he does half the time lol
So first, I agree with your first point, and that's exactly what rsoul has been saying. These kind of narrative reads are what I used to rely on, but you can go through anyone's filter and paint them in whatever light you like in this way. It can be convincing in the right hands, but it's not particularly accurate which is ultimately what matters to the rst of town. The convincing-ness of the post is what matters to BH as either alignment.
Damdred also recently said something about thinking it was standard IML. Where did he do this, because I can't find it.
Like....reading through Damdred's filter is easier than reading BH's case on him, fuck
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K I'm randomly nitpicking parts of BH's post because it's all I can do
Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 15:20 Damdred wrote:
Look at the strange uneveness that wave uses between arts is and Yamato for instance it caught my eye pretty fast. He is perfectly fine with art and gives art a town lean(later on) for the way he voted for him even if it was silly. Really strange reactions and slight jnconsitincies in how he is playing and interacting push him to this level. So, I don't even understand how anyone can let damdred get away with this paragraph. He's like, talking about the "uneveness" between how wave treats art and yamato? again, no evidence, other than he notes that wave has a different opinion on art and yam's alignment. You can't just call something strange and make it strange. What a vague read! Another classic scum move.
So....from this I think you can tell that BH absolutely ignored all context of anything Dmadred said or what was going on in thread. This is the stupid clusterfuck from yesterday where I argued with rsoul for ages and Damdred rehashed some of it, but he treats it as if it's Damdred's original thought. I don't think the read itself is vague at all, just bad, but again the importance here is that BH absolutely did not look for contextual cues when making this post of EVERYTHING in Damdred's filter, and it doesn't make him look good.
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i liked this assessment btw, bresh :/ i'm sorry if you're town, and lol i suppose you probably are >< that looks like a town breshke post to me
it kinda just upsets me a little more though...so i'm glad you got your job ^^; i'm actually a little stressed out right now (military service ends next monday and i'm still trying to get things worked out cause nothing's going right ><) and don't like to feel like i'd be just as well off filling a spot and saying or doing nothing the way you and truffle were talking so...i think it's better if i don't return to the game until i can get this better under control tomorrow
On April 22 2015 15:25 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 14:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
Breshke let her cool down and talk to me about BH's monstrosity and Damdred for a bit.
Did you read that post? Do you have any primary thoughts? Sorry i actually didn't see this. I like skim read through it skipped a few bits in the end/middle. I feel bad on commenting on stuff like that before reading it properly because if bh is town or scum he obviously put a lot of effort into it for me to just come and be like didnt read it here's what i think. Anyway first off i don't like how it feels like he was trying to push scum on what felt like every single thing that damdred has posted. I don't think if someone is scum that they are scum in all their posts if that makes sense. Some of the early stuff I think bh had a problem with can be explained by damdred thinking it was standard IML and then being told it wasn't(this is referring to the throwing away vote thing) . I can see how BH would miss this as if you read damdreds filter (I assume this is what happend) and not the game you wouldn't really get the grasp of that. Then i don't really rememebr much else from it other than the point about him voting artanis after BH came in with his excuse that damdred predicted. I liked this point and it is odd but damdred did say to me that his vote on artanis was trying to make stuff happen so i can see a world where he would push on artanis instead of BH here because more people would react to the artanis push whereas a push on bh would get put down as a plynch
nite wave, bresh <3 thanks for putting up with me
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On April 22 2015 15:30 Blazinghand wrote:
BTW the case is like 8 paragraphs, tops. The fact that there's resistance to reading it is pretty apalling. There are a lot of quotes in there, sure, but you've already read the quotes, assuming you've read the thread. It's not like it's so long that by tghe time you get to the end of it you can't "remember" what was at the start (Breshke >.>)
And yes, I was pointing out how most of what Damdred said was scummy, but MOST OF WHAT DAMDRED SAID WAS SCUMMY. Like, legit the dude is scum. Also, I'm not saying that literally every post he makes pushes a scum agenda. I'm noting how they serve his agenda, and hwo they don't link together into a town mindset. I also concede some stuff that DOES link together and is right. In fact, I explicitly state scum CAN be right, as his meta analysis of my willinginess to use IRL stuff as scum is literally correct. But that doesn't change the fact that if you look, Damdred's thoughts DO NOT follow each other.
I know I obviously didn't read it well hence I hadn't commented on it until wave specifically asked for it. Im obviously biast aswell because i already thought damdred was town.
I also fully believe that you blazinghand could make this case as scum as ive seen you rng someone and they actually write convincing reasons why they are scum other than the fact that you rng'd them. Hence why I also said I wanted to see other stuff from you aswell
Probably need to head off now so I won't be going back over your big post until i come back tonight.
On April 22 2015 15:39 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 15:25 Breshke wrote:On April 22 2015 14:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
Breshke let her cool down and talk to me about BH's monstrosity and Damdred for a bit.
Did you read that post? Do you have any primary thoughts? Sorry i actually didn't see this. I like skim read through it skipped a few bits in the end/middle. I feel bad on commenting on stuff like that before reading it properly because if bh is town or scum he obviously put a lot of effort into it for me to just come and be like didnt read it here's what i think. Anyway first off i don't like how it feels like he was trying to push scum on what felt like every single thing that damdred has posted. I don't think if someone is scum that they are scum in all their posts if that makes sense. Some of the early stuff I think bh had a problem with can be explained by damdred thinking it was standard IML and then being told it wasn't(this is referring to the throwing away vote thing) . I can see how BH would miss this as if you read damdreds filter (I assume this is what happend) and not the game you wouldn't really get the grasp of that. Then i don't really rememebr much else from it other than the point about him voting artanis after BH came in with his excuse that damdred predicted. I liked this point and it is odd but damdred did say to me that his vote on artanis was trying to make stuff happen so i can see a world where he would push on artanis instead of BH here because more people would react to the artanis push whereas a push on bh would get put down as a plynch I think it's actually pretty hilarious for so many people to come in and go tl;dr to BH's post. He kinda deserves it for playing like he does half the time lol So first, I agree with your first point, and that's exactly what rsoul has been saying. These kind of narrative reads are what I used to rely on, but you can go through anyone's filter and paint them in whatever light you like in this way. It can be convincing in the right hands, but it's not particularly accurate which is ultimately what matters to the rst of town. The convincing-ness of the post is what matters to BH as either alignment. Damdred also recently said something about thinking it was standard IML. Where did he do this, because I can't find it. Like....reading through Damdred's filter is easier than reading BH's case on him, fuck
Hmm i didn't realise that what rsoul was saying was similar to me. Thanks for pointing that out.
I'm not sure if he ever explicitly said it at the time but the quote saying he hates people throwing votes around made me assume that he did because i couldn't think of a reason why he would dislike it otherwise.
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-_- not to be an ass but we've said similar things several times this game breskhe, including during the yamato/wave fight when i first thought you might be town after all, and you've been treating me like i'm a slug
i agree that usually when we're both town we tend to think similarly, so that was bugging me eh
really going now ><
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Blazinghand
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i'm off to bed, and then I have work, then i'll be back online at around 01:00 GMT (+00:00) ish.
Everyone who checks thet hread, let me know what you think of Damdred's thought process. if I come back to find myself dead, you guys can all apologise to me in the post game
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I'll read this shit later
I've lost my general will to play mafia for today
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On April 22 2015 15:50 yamato77 wrote:
I'll read this shit later
I've lost my general will to be mafia for today
Fixed.
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11589 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
oh come ON yamato it's like 8 paragraphs, TOPS. If you don't read my case then you don't deserve to behold the BEAUTY of it
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On April 22 2015 15:54 Blazinghand wrote:
oh come ON yamato it's like 8 paragraphs, TOPS. If you don't read my case then you don't deserve to behold the BEAUTY of it
I'll read everything in the last few pages later
in the mean time, I'd rather relax more.
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Blazinghand
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On April 22 2015 15:55 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 15:54 Blazinghand wrote:
oh come ON yamato it's like 8 paragraphs, TOPS. If you don't read my case then you don't deserve to behold the BEAUTY of it I'll read everything in the last few pages later in the mean time, I'd rather relax more.
>:[
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I am a badass town though I'm cutter than GB. Just look at me
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Idk why I'm still up but I am.
I don't know if I actually believe this is town bh saying this stuff it just looks like scum bh
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Votecount
WaveofShadow(1)- Palmar
Blazinghand(3)-Breshke, rsoultin, Trfel
Artanis[Xp](2)-yamato77, Damdred
Damdred(1)-Blazinghand
Palmar(1)-WaveofShadow
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
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Dunno what to think of the BH post. I think I could make a better one for Yamato, but that doesn't make him scum.
I actually think Trfel is my biggest scumread atm. In LXX, it was extremely difficult to get him to townread me. I literally had to move mountains (still tired) before he stopped being suspicious of me. This game, he randomly decided to get suspicious of me due to that post where I said I'd wait for Palmar/BH, then after a few posts on it he randomly decided I'm a townlean again. I sense a lack of true suspicion in him; it feels like he's just trying to push whatever seems easiest to push at the time. He's also giving off a lot of free townreads which doesn't fit into the suspicious Trfel I've played with in LXX. He feels far too ironclad in his opinions.
##Vote Trfel
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I still think Wave is mafia.
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On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re
The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me.
Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens:
On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote:
Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum.
On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh what the fuck?
WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then.
Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy.
Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe".
However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke.
Thus he is mafia.
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Also WoS is just fucking mad all the time so that's mafia 
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