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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 22 2015 10:36 GMT
#461
Wave commented on all the people that voted for him. I don't see anything wrong with that.

As for the Breshke vote thing, it's odd but not really scummy at all. He could've gone any which way on Breshke and make up any reason once he found that out. Why would he have a change of heart and go from scumreading to townreading Breshke as mafia?
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 22 2015 11:03 GMT
#462
Artanis shows his pleb skills by focusing entirely on the WHAT instead of the HOW
Computer says mafia
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
April 22 2015 12:12 GMT
#463
That's your ironclad reasoning palmar? Calling me scum for shit I've already explained in thread and saying 'I don't know what yamato is doing?'

Gj

Artanis any thoughts on BH at all? Did you read what I wrote?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
April 22 2015 12:18 GMT
#464
Palmar you are obviously ignoring the context though. From what I understand the thrid vote in IML can be seen as safe for scum as they vote on a misslynch but arnt the creator of the push nor one of the hammers. Therefore one could say that scum might join a wagon at this time to blend into town while still getting the misslynch they need. So while WoS said the vote was safe he ment it was safe way for scum to try and secure a misslynch.

Yes a third vote in this type of instant misslynch is even safer but in context it doesn't move towards scums goal of getting a misslynch as a push that early is not likely to be sustained over a 24 hour period. So yes while you are strictly right that the vote was infact safer it can't be seen as pushing for a misslynch as much.

Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
April 22 2015 12:38 GMT
#465
Okay so going through the BH post there is some questions i want damdred to answer.

You at some point said BH was active elsewhere. BH said he wasnt IDK if i should or shouldnt be asking this i ignorant to things but if you can say what you were reffering to that would be great.

Secondly you assessed trfels scum meta and said you didn't find his play here similar. What games were you referring too?

I think that's it.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
April 22 2015 12:51 GMT
#466
And the BH case itself I feel ehh about a lot of points or feel like he is taking it out of context.I can go into specifics but only parts people ask about because cbf. I part i dislike the most is the

What's your response? Do you:

A) Call BH scum and quote his single post
B) Call BH scum and note that he played just as you acted. 
C) Start asking other players why they're accepted BH's bad excuses, and call him scum. 

or...

D) make some vague noises at BH, but UNVOTE HIM AND VOTE SOMEONE ELSE


Bit because it is the part where it most feels like BH is making his own narrative.

That being said I do like the part about damdred pushing art and not caring about BH anymore. To add to this damdred hasn't really joined the BH wagon when he pointed out something really good early that basically kicked off the wagon. Like there is three of us that arn't him voting on the BH wagon but he just doesn't seem itnested.

The thing that gives me pause though is that, people can correct me on this, but i've seen damdred get demotivated as town before and i understand that because sometimes you just don't feel it and idk if that is what is happening here.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 22 2015 13:04 GMT
#467
Its hard for me to get interested in a wagon when i'm doing finals XD. As such i'm not sure exactly why its a good point necessarily, i'm more than likely going to end up voting BH hopefully i'm the hammer.

It was one of the student mafia games, D1 Trfel was much more involved early seemingly trying to contribute without actually doing so. Here its a bit different as he was just afk and null, now hes been acting decently towny. Obviously don't let him know I said so
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
April 22 2015 13:34 GMT
#468
I gotta go to bed ill probs be up for offical vote count but i doubt we are going to be lynching anyone. I do think we should aim to lynch someone next phase though as I feel like we kind of need to get the game moving? Idk how to explain it.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 22 2015 13:39 GMT
#469
##Unvote
##Vote BH


We need one more for lynch find it
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 22 2015 14:12 GMT
#470
we need to lynch BH here...i'll explain why later but what it basically amounts to is he keeps finding reasons to contribute as little as possible while still playing on our sensibilities not to lynch him ^^
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 22 2015 14:14 GMT
#471
On April 22 2015 21:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
That's your ironclad reasoning palmar? Calling me scum for shit I've already explained in thread and saying 'I don't know what yamato is doing?'

Gj

Yeah it pretty much is!

And thanks
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 22 2015 14:28 GMT
#472
On April 22 2015 21:18 Breshke wrote:
Palmar you are obviously ignoring the context though. From what I understand the thrid vote in IML can be seen as safe for scum as they vote on a misslynch but arnt the creator of the push nor one of the hammers. Therefore one could say that scum might join a wagon at this time to blend into town while still getting the misslynch they need. So while WoS said the vote was safe he ment it was safe way for scum to try and secure a misslynch.

Yes a third vote in this type of instant misslynch is even safer but in context it doesn't move towards scums goal of getting a misslynch as a push that early is not likely to be sustained over a 24 hour period. So yes while you are strictly right that the vote was infact safer it can't be seen as pushing for a misslynch as much.



I don't even care about the context.

He did something because of X
Then it turns out X was even more right than he initially thought
So he retracts because of X

This makes no logical sense, thus he must be mafia.

To be precises.

He retracted NOT because of this new information he had gained. He retracted BECAUSE HE WANTED TO RETRACT and used this new information as an excuse to do so.

Computer says mafia
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
April 22 2015 14:30 GMT
#473
I showed before that he's essentially written a narrative on damdred devoid of any context whatsoever and likely hasn't even read the thread. It's pretty scummy but are we lynching him today? Like, are you worried about him further 'playing on our sensibilities?'
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
April 22 2015 14:32 GMT
#474
On April 22 2015 23:28 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2015 21:18 Breshke wrote:
Palmar you are obviously ignoring the context though. From what I understand the thrid vote in IML can be seen as safe for scum as they vote on a misslynch but arnt the creator of the push nor one of the hammers. Therefore one could say that scum might join a wagon at this time to blend into town while still getting the misslynch they need. So while WoS said the vote was safe he ment it was safe way for scum to try and secure a misslynch.

Yes a third vote in this type of instant misslynch is even safer but in context it doesn't move towards scums goal of getting a misslynch as a push that early is not likely to be sustained over a 24 hour period. So yes while you are strictly right that the vote was infact safer it can't be seen as pushing for a misslynch as much.



I don't even care about the context.

He did something because of X
Then it turns out X was even more right than he initially thought
So he retracts because of X

This makes no logical sense, thus he must be mafia.

To be precises.

He retracted NOT because of this new information he had gained. He retracted BECAUSE HE WANTED TO RETRACT and used this new information as an excuse to do so.


Yeah palmar that's blatantly untrue, you're just as bad as BH inventing your own narrative for why I did what I did. Early votes in what barely amounts to an IML game aren't as indicative as those when every cote counts all the time.

'safety' isn't a factor when the votes 2h into a game generally don't mean shit.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
April 22 2015 14:34 GMT
#475
And not to mention, why the fuck do I care about retracting 2h into a game as mafia? Like, I don't even understand what makes any of that scummy.

Just go crawl back under your rock and come out when we're ready to lynch you.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 22 2015 14:43 GMT
#476
umm, wave, if he's scum, he's scum. i'm saying that the way he's gone about the game ever since the day started is specifically designed to gain himself more time. and you're getting hung up on the wording? who do you even want to lynch if not bh?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 22 2015 14:44 GMT
#477
lol palmar? palmar is probably town here -_-
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
April 22 2015 14:53 GMT
#478
Unfortunately you're probably right about palmar but it's hard to shrug off his uselessness and targeting of me specifically.

I'm not getting hung up on wording but at the very least i know BH is capable of all sorts of play as either alignment. If I'm going to lynch him it's not going to be solely for stalling (despite his epic tech in call mafia).
Assuming BH is scum think the other scum might be Trfel but I havent had a chance to flesh that out much. Artanis' read on him is OK but relies way too much on meta for my liking.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
April 22 2015 14:56 GMT
#479
And there's still yamato who's done mostly shit all but be belligerent with me lately. (I'd call him town because his current not caring about the game currently is extremely town yamato but meta so fuck that)
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
April 22 2015 15:07 GMT
#480
Complain about context or narratives all you want, Damdred has never shown a shred of town motivation or logic yo his read progression. If my truth is too much for you then lynch me and behold the spectacle of your incompetence. I suppose the time when one could only be available for five hours per day have passed, even though I have possibly written and thought about this game more than everyone else. I will not bow to your disgusting threats. I will not be coerced into becoming something worse for your twisted ideals.

If I'm alive when I get home I'll save us all. Otherwise, should I die for your ignorance, I will view the departure with as much relief as disgust.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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