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Trfel
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
on-board with this now that the deadline's past ^^ i really do not get why everyone is so happy with artanis -_- or damdred, for that matter like where are you getting these townreads from, bresh? are you scumreading anyone at all? | ||
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Trfel
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Damdred
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On April 22 2015 11:07 Breshke wrote: Ohh damdred I forgot to ask. Did you actually want to lynch artanis? Or were you just trying to get stuff to happen? More of the later than the former I think, I don't like artie going about the game like he is though. | ||
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Trfel
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On April 22 2015 12:06 Trfel wrote: Eh, never mind.You guys stay around, okay? When I finish reading the thread, I need people to talk to. I think I need a break. See you guys tomorrow. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Anyway, your scum game is better than you give it credit for and not just a lurking pile of mess. Any questions while i'm here | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On April 22 2015 12:13 Damdred wrote: Yes trfel you should read waves scum games before you say that he wouldn't be pissy with people rather than try to make friends XD. Anyway, your scum game is better than you give it credit for and not just a lurking pile of mess. Any questions while i'm here Why Damdred if I didn't know better I'd say you didn't trust me. I'm wounded. :D I will warn you I will fight the use of meta on me until the bitter end. See the last couple games Koshi tunneled me calling me 100% scum until the bitter end. On April 22 2015 12:06 Trfel wrote: You guys stay around, okay? When I finish reading the thread, I need people to talk to. On April 22 2015 12:13 Trfel wrote: Eh, never mind. I think I need a break. See you guys tomorrow. This is a little ridiculous. The game is what, 16-17 pages? Should take like 15 min at most, and you've spend more time than that actually IN the game already. | ||
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rsoultin
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On April 22 2015 12:05 rsoultin wrote: ##vote Blazinghand on-board with this now that the deadline's past ^^ i really do not get why everyone is so happy with artanis -_- or damdred, for that matter like where are you getting these townreads from, bresh? are you scumreading anyone at all? So for art its still that early comment heaped up with this quote On April 21 2015 09:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I actually think it makes her slightly likelier to be town as I find it unlikely scum would go in against a tone read of another player right off the bat. Because that is actually what i was thinking but i didn't post it because I felt like the way i tried to explain it was weak. Also the quote below shows that he was actually reconsidering his reads and motivations behind why people are doing stuff On April 21 2015 19:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Pretty much. It's something that you have absolutely no reason to post as scum because it doesn't achieve anything, yet when you're town it's something you may say because it was in the back of your mind, a very human response. Actually having thought about it, I could see scum saying it, but I do think it's a lot likelier from town. Arsoul, why is it bad that someone else explains something I've pinged? For damdred I just like his posts, I can explain it more if you rly want just feel lazy. As for scum I don't really have anything concrete right now but I don't like that you town read yamato and basically have the entire game yet in this post here On April 21 2015 15:20 rsoultin wrote: you know, at some point this lumping me in with yamato when i clearly was interested in another point entirely is going to annoy me breeeeeshke ^^ hint: that point is probably already past damdy, if you already know the failings in your own list post (and your intent was to get people to react to it so you could help figure out alignments) pointing out the questions defeats that purpose and you should simply address the failure. i've no interest in cooperating with an uncooperative stick-in-the-mud ^^ You get rather defensive that you think I am lumping you two together. I understand that this annoyance comes from the fact that your points were different but it still seemed like a really weird over reaction to me. | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On April 22 2015 12:13 Damdred wrote: Yes trfel you should read waves scum games before you say that he wouldn't be pissy with people rather than try to make friends XD. Anyway, your scum game is better than you give it credit for and not just a lurking pile of mess. Any questions while i'm here I think your talking about something i have posted not something trfel has. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
Iris going on | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
so give me something not concrete i can see where you're coming from with damdy...but not so much with artanis, cause that's a pretty weak read lol >< if it's only based on the same posts you townread him for last time he was in the thread as far as damdy is concerned, trying to get a lynch started with so little time before the 24hr mark doesn't sit well with me...i was actually warming up to him before that | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On April 22 2015 12:30 rsoultin wrote: -shrugs- you can call it defensive if you want. i hate being misrepresented as either alignment, and i already had let it go a couple times before that xP so give me something not concrete i can see where you're coming from with damdy...but not so much with artanis, cause that's a pretty weak read lol >< if it's only based on the same posts you townread him for last time you were in the thread as far as damdy is concerned, trying to get a lynch started with so little time before the 24hr mark doesn't sit well with me...i was actually warming up to him before that bolded edit | ||
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Trfel
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I reread about the first half of the thread. Damdred is very likely to be town here, despite my earlier read. His play actually does have direction and focus. Furthermore, someone pointed out that mafia Damdred plays to survive. Damdred isn't playing to survive here; smaller post count (at least in the first half of the thread) aside, Damdred's tone is extremely relaxed, and he did that strange list post to try and draw questions about it. Damdred here is enjoying the game, and playing for fun, which makes him quite likely to be town. WaveofShadow is also town here. His play makes sense from a town perspective throughout, both when he thought that the game was Instant Majority and when he realized what the vote format is. Again, WaveofShadow's play shows some inconsistencies, but they are in the details and I actually think that they make him more likely to be town (I explained one of them a few posts back). Breshke is probably town here as well. I was a bit put off by the way that he defended WaveofShadow when it wasn't necessary, but the comment he gave was absolutely correct, and the way that he posted afterwards seemed genuine. He's been providing useful points and good thoughts this game, and that is a sign of town Breshke. I think that yamato77 could be mafia here. I'm not going to go into it in detail, but it's just an impression that I get. He makes several comments picking on people's play, and only later attaching an alignment to it (ironically, one example of this is Breshke defending WaveofShadow without taking a stance on WaveofShadow's alignment.... yamato77 only takes an actual stance on Breshke later). Furthermore, yamato77 wanted to point out one of WaveofShadow's statements that had no value (it was a null read on himself), but didn't arrive at any conclusions about WaveofShadow's alignment from this. Yamato77 does seem a bit overly concerned with people's reads on himself. I might be gone for a while. Good luck, and happy scumhunting! | ||
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Trfel
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Artanis is probably town, though I haven't carefully read the section of the thread in which he was posting. His questions are not only motivated at making reads, but also increasing the thread motivation. While he could do this as scum, I don't think it's terribly likely. In addition to the way that he responded to my pressure on him (previously described), I feel that Artanis is likely town. And Blazinghand could very well be scum. I didn't want to say it earlier in case he would hear that he was under pressure and change his play, but everyone's already talking about it. Blazinghand is willing to go to any length to survive. Furthermore, I don't actually think that his post comes in a town mindset. Town wouldn't sign up for a game and not even have time to read the thread. Town would glance over a few pages and provide at least a few thoughts to go on. Town wouldn't necessarily ask for a no-lynch on Day 1, town would trust that if other people wanted to lynch someone, that they would have good reasons for doing so, and wouldn't force themselves to be present. Town wouldn't set a hard deadline. His post feels more motivated by someone wanting to survive, than the actual words that he says. Good enough for me for now. ##vote Blazinghand | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On April 22 2015 12:30 rsoultin wrote: -shrugs- you can call it defensive if you want. i hate being misrepresented as either alignment, and i already had let it go a couple times before that xP so give me something not concrete i can see where you're coming from with damdy...but not so much with artanis, cause that's a pretty weak read lol >< if it's only based on the same posts you townread him for last time he was in the thread as far as damdy is concerned, trying to get a lynch started with so little time before the 24hr mark doesn't sit well with me...i was actually warming up to him before that That was my non conrete thing. There 8 players other than me. I'm townreading 4 out of 8 of those players. 2 of the remaining are not involved in the game so difficult to read. The remaining two yourself and yamato have been town reading each other most of the game, does this mean anything? Probably not even if it does I can't use it right now. I just read your filter and will probably read yamatos soon. That is like exactly where I am at at the moment. Also I had that problem with damdy aswell but then this made me feel better about it On April 22 2015 12:12 Damdred wrote: More of the later than the former I think, I don't like artie going about the game like he is though. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
do whatever. maybe tomorrow i'll have something worthwhile | ||
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rsoultin
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On April 22 2015 12:42 Breshke wrote: That was my non conrete thing. There 8 players other than me. I'm townreading 4 out of 8 of those players. 2 of the remaining are not involved in the game so difficult to read. The remaining two yourself and yamato have been town reading each other most of the game, does this mean anything? Probably not even if it does I can't use it right now. I just read your filter and will probably read yamatos soon. That is like exactly where I am at at the moment. Also I had that problem with damdy aswell but then this made me feel better about it okay gonna be honest with you here...i don't need everyone to townread me and i get that you just came out of a scumgame with me, but that some of these townreads of yours are so fucking thin and the core of your "non-concrete sorta scum" is poe oh rsoul and yama were townreading each other is pretty bullshit in my eyes i'll take another look at everyone tomorrow when i'm less irritated, but it's not happening tonight quite simply, when you don't have scumreads that's usually a bad sign. but i've just come out of a game where you were town and defaulting to plynches so...though i still think your scumreads are even less noteworthy this game than in that one, i need to reread everything tomorrow | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On April 22 2015 12:50 rsoultin wrote: okay gonna be honest with you here...i don't need everyone to townread me and i get that you just came out of a scumgame with me, but that some of these townreads of yours are so fucking thin and the core of your "non-concrete sorta scum" is poe oh rsoul and yama were townreading each other is pretty bullshit in my eyes i'll take another look at everyone tomorrow when i'm less irritated, but it's not happening tonight quite simply, when you don't have scumreads that's usually a bad sign. but i've just come out of a game where you were town and defaulting to plynches so...though i still think your scumreads are even less noteworthy this game than in that one, i need to reread everything tomorrow Yeah im bad at scum and my meta is i cant push on people but you arn't using that in context if you are town. Do you have a scumread yourself? No you are pushing BH with me. This is a smaller game and you yourself don't have a scumread so I don't understand why you would try compare this game to my scum meta when obviously if you are town it isn't that easy to find scum this game. Just coming out of a game where you being scum does affect my reads. I realize im probably biast hence why I was letting it go and trying to egt more information but frankly you are very similar this game to last. You're in the thread commenting on stuff but you arn't actually doing anything. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Let's take a look at how things start off. The game begins, and Damdred starts off with some typical troll posts that you see at the start of games: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24117712 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24117713 which are unmeaningful. A page or two later, Damdred starts complaining about votes being thrown around (link) and says he hates it. He doesn't explicitly state that he thinks it's a bad idea, but there you go. Then, he says he hasn't read the game, then, he votes me (link) for "not playing" when the game is at its very outset. This is almost the definition of a vote being "thrown around", something that damdred hates. Then, he says he thinks I'm scum (link) in response to someone saying he needs to play, even though he is supposedly town and admits taht he hasn't played ("I'll play don't worry"). So,w hat's Damdred even thinking here? Like, the people who come in later and want to policy me for having an excuse, sure, that's fine. The people who hate me for not posting for 24 hours, I get them. These are all actually reasonable reasons to scumread me. It is literally Classic Blazinghand play to use an IRL excuse to not play. (I would note, by the way, that I merely asked for more time, something easily attained in this game-- surely there's no problem there. This isn't a traditional deadline game). Regardless of their own skills, people can reasonably say that me posting after 18 hours saying "haha IRL reasonz duderz" is classic scum Blazinghand. And it is. But what's Damdred doing here? and then, look at this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24118610 Damdy posts a list post here, in which he states that I'm scum and he would vote for woS, and various other thoughts. Do we see any progression up to this? Does this actually do anything to help anyone? Of course not. Does he have questions for others, does he want to look at the game? No, he does not. This isn't Damdred pushing his ideas, this isn't Damdred trying to convince peopel to vote me even, it's just... filler. And he even calls it silly. That doesn't make it not scummy, that he calls it silly. He later comes, and uh, asks himself some questions (link). The fact that he asks himself the questions is like, minorly townie I guess since he's having fun. I don't think it really makes him town though. now he goes calling me scum based on me being "active elsewhere", (link) which seems pretty strange to me given that the only place I was posting (IIRC) was posting the D1 post to start the newbie game, which was actually before the start of Hapa's game. If I'm really active elsewhere, Damdred, why not bring exampels? Why not quote or link the posts I'm making elsewhere, or whatever? Now maybe it's against your ethics or whatever, but wait a second, clearly it's NOT since you mentioned it. So, another accusation with no oomph, more statements without real backup. Let's take a look at Damdy's post in more depths and let's see if he's actually contributing here, or just making noise. On April 21 2015 15:20 Damdred wrote: This part is a bit trickier, trfel as scum in my experience likes to be in the thick of the action trying to shape other peoples reads and causing subtle confusions. Very unlike bh scum game which is more behind the scenes, besides trfels last bit post who h was ok that puts him more towards the bottom of null rather than town. This is nothing. This is like, not even trying to scumhunt. First off, I don't see any actual mention of games. What experience? Maybe it's just a light meta read of trfel, but where did this come from? Even a mention of like "when I played with him in cell and he was scum there" or whatever (as I think Damdred says later in his filter about me) would make sense, but we don't see anything. Also worth noting here that this read isn't something you'd capitalize on. In fact, this entire paragraph is just scummier. "Towards the bottom of null" is like, the least read you can give someone that will most likely make me think you're scum. Here's what this looks like to me. Damdy wants to lynch trfel, maybe later, so he can't be seen actively defending trrfel without getting some heat. He doesn't want to lynch trfel yet though, he's hoping to get a wagon rolling on me in the first 24h. If he actively turns up the heat on trfel he'd have to commit to it, or talk about it, and genearlly as scum Damdy wants as little preassure as possible. so he makes this minor read on trfel. It "sets up" for his later scumread, but for now, bam, looks vague enough he won't get pressed on it, but gives him some cred later. town wouldn't bother wasting all this time talking about a "bottom of null" read. Definitey scum move. On April 21 2015 15:20 Damdred wrote: Breshke is one of the greatest forces of good in the thread amen. Has some of the highest activity good thoughts questions and interacting with everyone he can. Really good town atm. this could be an emptry quote and it would share the same amount of info. Damdred here isn't doing anything useful or providing insights, but the buddying with Breshke comes nonetheless. On April 21 2015 15:20 Damdred wrote: So, I don't even understand how anyone can let damdred get away with this paragraph. He's like, talking about the "uneveness" between how wave treats art and yamato? again, no evidence, other than he notes that wave has a different opinion on art and yam's alignment. You can't just call something strange and make it strange. What a vague read! Another classic scum move. Look at the strange uneveness that wave uses between arts is and Yamato for instance it caught my eye pretty fast. He is perfectly fine with art and gives art a town lean(later on) for the way he voted for him even if it was silly. Really strange reactions and slight jnconsitincies in how he is playing and interacting push him to this level. We can look at the followup to this to see more revelatory info about Damdred (and I thank rsoultin for being in thread to draw this out" On April 21 2015 15:24 rsoultin wrote: so you're not satisfied with his explanation at the bottom of the previous page? mind saying why not? On April 21 2015 15:26 Damdred wrote: How can you be satisfied with such a drastic over reaction? Arts is is a great player who sheeped onto what at that point in time a joke vote with a seemingly joke phrase and vote. And wave gives this as a response I don't buy it at all, its over explaining and not really saying anything On April 21 2015 15:29 rsoultin wrote: the overreaction is explained by not understanding the lynch mechanic xP and he wasn't the only one who didn't understand it daaaaamdy as for the artie vs. yama thing...i don't agree with the analysis but i don't think wrong = scum lol >< and can see how he arrived at the conclusion now that he's explained it do you have a specific example(s) of the bh meta you were referring to? On April 21 2015 15:29 Damdred wrote: Literally it might be one of the worst reasons to town read someone ever. Do scum never do pressure votes or joke votes and then not do much else? So, leaving off the reply about my meta (which is actually interesting), here's the Wave post they were talking about: On April 21 2015 13:03 WaveofShadow wrote: This is the absolute final time. I'm going to spell it out so it's absolutely crystal fucking clear, and if it's still not enough then just go ahead and lynch me for it or some shit because unless it's going somewhere, this is ridiculous already. Yamato gave some reason directly referencing something he said to me outside of the game that i don't remember, probably something he jokingly said to me at some point yesterday or the day before...? I don't consider that a reason because it has zero direct reference to anything that occurs within the confines of this game and is directly related to something yamato and I supposedly talked about. As that is the case, he would do it as either alignment since supposedly he said he would do it and therefore is completely alignment UNindicative. Artanis' reason I have no knowledge of and has no direct reference to me, so I naturally find it a little odder to bring something like that up---it is my opinion that that could draw more attention than something yamato can directly reference to something he and I supposedly did First off, I think we can all agree this is a pretty bullshit explanation. The more likely truth is that Waveofshadow wasn't paying attention or got confused or something, and is now embarassed about it, and invented an explanation. "Oh, Yamato referenced an out of game thing that I have since forgotten about, and that's the reason" is like, actually one of the worst explanations I have ever heard. The thign is, though, if WoS were scum and had the freedom to invent an explanation, he'd probably come up with a good one. the only reason he'd use such a lame explanation is if there's a kernel of truth to it. Maybe he and Yamato are lovers IRL, for example, and it was a whisper passed between them in the bedsheets. Who knows. The point is, the fact that woS is being so strikingly weird about his not-an-affair reason for not scumreading Yams is actually evidence WoS as town. No way scum comes up with something so strange. So, rsoultin rightly notes that the overexplaining is a town thing. Damdred calls it an overreaction and doesn't say why that's actually scummy. What's happening here is that Damdred isn't having a scumread follow a logic. Instead of observation + logic -> scumread, he's doing scumread + observation -> logic. In other words, he's using what happened in thread, plus his PLAN to scumread WoS (who is very bad at defending himself in general) and then CREATING FALSE LOGIC to populate his read. Basically, Damdred isn't finding the truth, he's stating a read in his head then working back from it to find an explanatino. That's why he says stuff like "it's the worst town read" or whatever without explaninig why, because there *is* no "why", not until Damdred creates it. Moving on, Damdred (link) reasonably brings up some of my past games, though in Aperture I don't think I mentioned anything IRL, I mostly just goofed around and rode my claim (and boy did I ride it!) to victory. Cell mafia I am pretty sure I pretended to be moving house. That was fucking awesome. hahaha. Man I'm awesome. In any case, just cause Damdy's right that I'm an amazing scum player doesn't mean that he's town. Scum isn't forbidden from saying true things; it happens. At this point, Damdred comes back after 13 hours, and in the past 13 hours, I have made this post: On April 22 2015 01:43 Blazinghand wrote: Hey guys, yesterday was my last day at my old job and today is my first day at my new one. Can't check tl mafia at ork during my first day on the job, sorry. I haven't read the thread and won't be able to until 00:00 GMT (+00:00)'£. Please extend day by 24 hours and dint lynch me Now let's say you're Damdred as town somehow. You think Blazinghand is pulling the classic "I am blazinghand and I alone out of all TL Mafia players have the manliness to lie about IRL things". You fucking CALL it, youv ote him, then you come back to the thread and he has made one SOLITARY post int he first like 18 hours of the game, and it's LITERALLY AN IRL EXCUSE. What's your response? Do you: A) Call BH scum and quote his single post B) Call BH scum and note that he played just as you acted. C) Start asking other players why they're accepted BH's bad excuses, and call him scum. or... D) make some vague noises at BH, but UNVOTE HIM AND VOTE SOMEONE ELSE well, guess what kids, Damdy went with D. Now look, I'm not saying Damdred has to spend 100% of his time paying attention to me. I get it, he has to pretend to have otehr reads too. But the first 2 hours after damdred comes back to thread post Blazinghand-post, he only makes these two posts: On April 22 2015 04:32 Damdred wrote: Maybe some of it was rehashed I can't remember honestly ^^. But keep talking about me its good to have a new focal point today On April 22 2015 05:10 Damdred wrote: I don't like that post especially that town read on wave hrm. The first one concerning people scumreading him for his notably scummy actions. The second one saying he doens't like trfel for the WoS townread. Eventually, he calls me out, 2 hours later-- and this is fine, maybe it took him 2 hours to read the thread somehow, even though he read other things, or no actually that makes no sense. Damdred makes no sense. He forgot he was scumreading me probably then had to make up for it with humor. On April 22 2015 06:32 Damdred wrote: Hey guys my name is bh, I'm moving so I won't be doing much don't lynch me give me time.-scum bh HEY GUYS I HAVE A NEW JOB WONT DO ANYTHING FOR AWHILE SO DONT LYNCH ME-BH this game Don't let the fact that he's humorous distract you from the fact that he's not actually focussed on me. The killer is here though: On April 22 2015 07:10 Damdred wrote: ##unvote ##Vote artanis Lets do this, if he's Scum we get a great lynch if he's not oh well statistics. But seriously his approach is scummy Ok so let'st ake a look at what Damdred has said about Art so far: he's said ARt is null and he's also said Art was joking. He called out WoS FOR CALLING OUT ART. Then he votes art for being lazy. Which I get. You maybe do that to pressure people for funsies. But tehre's no follow up on me. at this point, we're getting up to 24 hours into the game, and Damdred's posts are no longer caring about the fact that, as far as he claims, BH IS LITERALLY PLAYING BH SCUM META. Remember, Damdred CALLED this. he VOTED me for this. Sow hat's he up to? On April 22 2015 07:15 Damdred wrote: That's part of the bad thing about a sorta iml nobody wants to play unless they have to. As such I think arts actions are scummy and we should,make him play Oh, right, Arts isn't playing. What about your main scumread, Damdred? What about the guy who has literally made one post, a post saying he wasn't playing? There's no way Damdred is ACTUALLY having these thoughts. If he was spending his time thinking about people not playing, he'd bring me up again. Maybe nto a lot; buit at least once. And wait, let's look at that vote post again. Let's just TAKE A FUCKIN LOOK: On April 22 2015 07:10 Damdred wrote: Lets do this, if he's Scum we get a great lynch if he's not oh well statistics. But seriously his approach is scummy EMPHASIS MINE. Yes, I emphasised the whole post. READ IT. READ IT. He's obviously distancing himself from the outcome. Look at this! oh, if Art isn't scum, well, STATISTICS. Fuck, when I say statistics (when I RNG, that is), I at least back it up with REAL STATISTICS. Look at this? He doesn't even say Art is scum! He just says the approach is scummy and he's PREPARING for a townflip. Who votes like this? Who THINKS like this? Damdred is fabricating the whole read and it shows. his resposne to pressure is this: On April 22 2015 07:16 Damdred wrote: Lol rsoultin On April 22 2015 07:19 Damdred wrote: Sure it's a good idea. Would be fun for me not for town On April 22 2015 07:21 Damdred wrote: Though rs reasons are well documented why are you scumming me again trfel trfel unvotes damdred saying he was voting to "make a point" and asks if damdred gets it (note trfel: I'm watching you) and damdred says: On April 22 2015 07:23 Damdred wrote: Nope not really. On April 22 2015 07:25 Damdred wrote: Me not playing the game as I should be is meh but I go through spurts where I just shit around, granted I know I do it and it's a conscious decision not,to,change Barbados of my game. However art isn't the same type of creature Again, talking about absence, but no evidence about art's meta (remember how he had that about mine? Why is this case even on art and not me, for whom it's like, actually a case? WTF), just balthering. On April 22 2015 07:26 Damdred wrote: Apparently I want to go to Barbados however, that doesn't explain at all why if we lynch it should,be me not sure what's going on here. Wos scumreads Trfel for Trfel's scummy activities, and Damdred says: On April 22 2015 07:36 Damdred wrote: Waves getting town points here for good line of thinking which is again, meaningless. He makes a bunch of strange posts that don't really do anything about me. It's now 24 hours in, and Damdred is making posts like this: On April 22 2015 07:59 Damdred wrote: Hobestly, I hesitate to say this but the discussion and voting is a bit stagnant because we are trying to artificially lengthen the day and people don't feel compelled to play or goof off. So let's honestly try to lynch someone when me, the guy he meta-readed as scum, literally did the scum meta thing AND tried to lengthen the day. He says "people dont' feel compelled to play", how is he not thinking of me? Where's the read development? Why is he still on Artanis, even though votes don't matter? On April 22 2015 12:12 Damdred wrote: More of the later than the former I think, I don't like artie going about the game like he is though. He says he wants to Lynch art now, but there's no case, no follow-up. Look, Damdred is in town and makes a bunch of posts right around this time, probably like 10 over the course of 6 hours. That's fine and dandy, I'm not saying he has to be an activity monster or make tons of posts. But like, why isn't he pushing his read. Breshke even senses something is off and asks Damdred if he really actually wants to lynch Art. It's a reasonable question to ask because Damdred isn't acting like someone who actually wants to be responsible for a lynch, or someone with a scumread. Damdred is just putting his vote places. He's making "scumreads" and "townreads" but tehre's no UNDERLYING THOUGHT PROCESS. Look, there's a lot of things scum can fake. Scum and "make reads" and "vote" and whatever. Hell, scum can even be right about things, liek calling out lurkers, or pointing out my meta. That's fine. What scum can't easily fake, though, is a town thought process. Think about what you know about finding scum-- a lot of it has to do with things not lining up, with scum backtracking ideas or not making sense or diverging from how they act as town. They don't think the same things, so they ahve to fake it. Damdred doesn't actually thyink I'm scum or Art is scum. If he REALLY thought tehse things, he'd TALK about it. He wouldn't hang out bickering whether some dude is nulltown or nullscum when he's got a vote out on Art. He'd talk about Art. He wouldn't hang out balthering about people not playing because of time issues, when i'm literally doing that. Damdred, if he were town, would be ALL OVER me. His entire filter would be like that humorous post he made about me saying I need more time. Even if he did switch to Art, he'd actually switch. Heck, maybe he'd still lambast me a bit. And he'd press the art issue. He wouldn't be like, On April 22 2015 07:57 Damdred wrote: Ok wave you are up with rs now. Not lynching you When he could have a filter full of On April 22 2015 06:32 Damdred wrote: Hey guys my name is bh, I'm moving so I won't be doing much don't lynch me give me time.-scum bh HEY GUYS I HAVE A NEW JOB WONT DO ANYTHING FOR AWHILE SO DONT LYNCH ME-BH this game and LEGIT follow-up. He'd HAVE the read, not just SAY the read. Damdred is faking this, 100%. It's all artificial. He's scum. I've proven that. Let's kill him. ##Damdred oh btw I'm back | ||
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fitting awkwardly into the joking phase like that
