Newbie Student Mafia VIII

On April 19 2015 14:48 The Shining wrote:
I guess by page 7 I should've expected you guys to be a bit more serious. My bad.

Trfel, any time I've played with you as town, you're able to have a light joking presence. Take, for instance, scumming the slot you replaced in right from the start in our last game. I'm surprised you of all people didn't see the lightness in my post. It's a light toneread but I don't see your normal towniness. Won't necessarily scum you right away though since you mentioned the thread was slow. You're at least trying to push conversation, which town needs right now.

The validity of your read on Bourne? Like I said, he's a newbie that just got mislynched to lose a game for town. His posts aren't indicative to me, as I could easily see them coming from the perspective of a newbtown whos main thought right now is to avoid being put in that position again.

On April 20 2015 01:03 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Hey veterans here.
What is your experience about inactive players that come to thread with post stating their reason for inactivity and haven't posted at all.

How many times they have been scums? I mean just inactivity on day1 gives them like "free" day. Less posts, less scumhunting on them.

On April 20 2015 00:58 Bill Murray wrote:
im not reading that post trfel although i bet it is VERY TELLING

On April 20 2015 13:21 Trfel wrote:
Well, I need to go to bed. I'm sleepy.

But I really want everyone to read my above post, or at least my two scumreads. I'll quote them again here, so you have no excuse for being too lazy to scroll up two posts.

Thoughts or comments are much appreciated. If you don't like either of these lynches, who do you want to lynch instead?

On April 20 2015 14:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
##vote cakepie

No reason not to do this now. If he's not going to post, then there's no reason not to take care of this guy.

Also, now is about the time we need to start consolidating on targets and such. Normally I would wait longer to tell people this, but the game is incredibly low activity and there's no reason to keep our votes out of play like this.

On April 20 2015 14:59 cakepie wrote:
Oh yeah, fantastic, get pvoted while drafting. =/

I'm here, talk to me. Better things to do than policy lynch with plenty of time remaining. And even if you're determined to go LAL, isn't there someone else who is even less active?

On April 20 2015 01:32 Bill Murray wrote:
There is 1 role that should be claiming. Cop.

On April 20 2015 10:02 Bill Murray wrote:
i thought this was cop/doc

i didnt know there was potentially a roleblocker

On April 20 2015 01:03 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Hey veterans here.
What is your experience about inactive players that come to thread with post stating their reason for inactivity and haven't posted at all.

How many times they have been scums? I mean just inactivity on day1 gives them like "free" day. Less posts, less scumhunting on them.

On April 20 2015 07:14 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:

Wow, I have been banned several times on this website but damn, now there is name that I should look forward to when playing mafia. Such a legend.

+ Show Spoiler +

On April 19 2015 13:00 scott31337 wrote:


Thanks - now I'm Scott31333337. *facepalm*

Trfel's post looks like something he wrote up the day before and is not alignment indicative.



When I first read this, I thought Bourneq was asking for tone reads on himself, which I did not understand since he only had one post. Reading your point of view, I do not know what tone reads he would give off - and then added the TLDR post - meh.

What do you think of the LS/Damdred exchange? I know LS can be intimidated - and avoiding questions intentionally is viewed as scummy.

On April 19 2015 14:27 scott31337 wrote:
I really don't have much at the moment - Damdred slight town - you as well -

I believe Shining is still upset about the case I made about him four months ago in LX.

Everyone else null ATM

On April 19 2015 14:37 scott31337 wrote:


I'll let one of the others answer the "tone read" question better then I can - but from the rules/first post, Do not talk about coaching in the game. just FYI

On April 19 2015 14:44 scott31337 wrote:


Obi and Damdred have been asking questions and offering their ideas and they feel honest to me so far.

From your message I assumed you have played IRL mafia before, correct?

There is the TL Mafia Database that has information on others mafia games played on this site - if you want to look into peoples previous games.

On April 20 2015 08:47 scott31337 wrote:

What do you think of LightningStrike?

And a reads list would be nice as well.

On April 20 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
What a night! Let me catch up in the thread -

TBD picked it up a little bit, but he's still on a tight leash for now.

## Unvote



What the hell is this BM? This is a terrible idea and you know it.

BM roles scum like 80% of the time anyway, RNG gods love him.



That's an excellent read - although I have before - the whole banlist is worth a read too.



Are you feeling okay - or? Sorry to hear that.

Looks like others went over BM's terrible idea already...

On April 21 2015 00:38 LoneMeow wrote:

Vote Count

TheBloodyDwarf (0): scott31337
scott31337 (1): Bill Murray, Bill Murray
Trfel (0): Bill Murray
cakepie (2): ObiWanShinobi, Damdred
Bill Murray (1): Onegu
Bourneq (1): Bill Murray, Trfel
plotspot (1): cakepie
Onegu (0): Bill Murray

Not voting (7): TheBloodyDwarf, scott31337, LightningStrike, LeiNadk, The Shining, Bourneq, plotspot

+ Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] +

Currently, cakepie is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 01:00 GMT (+00:00).

Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain.

On April 20 2015 23:53 Damdred wrote:
He reloaded the thread and took like 12 hours to actually post anything of any substance and still didn't come to any conclussions and then wasted his vote on a plylnch he never even talked about NOR PUSHED.

What analysis the one where he doesn't actually analysis anything or come to any real conclussions doesn't push any scum read or any town agenda and just plynches?

You are chainsaw defending people now. Back into the scum pile for you

On April 21 2015 00:06 Trfel wrote:
I disagree. I think you can clearly see him trying to solve the game if you read his posts.

I think you can also see Bourneq being non-committal and following thread sentiment (until after I posted my case on him), and being inconsistent with a bad explanation for the one solid read that he made.

On April 21 2015 00:13 Trfel wrote:

This is his one solid conclusion about the game. But Damdred, you are a good player. And you are well aware that "no conclusions about the game" (even if true) doesn't necessarily make someone scum. Look at TheBloodyDwarf, he has no conclusions about the game. Lots of newbies have no conclusion about the game, and cakepie hasn't been here for very long.

Why does it matter if cakepie has no solid conclusions at this time, when he is showing a clear thought process, and he just started actually playing the game?

On April 21 2015 00:16 Trfel wrote:
Damdred, you have not once addressed the reasons why I suspect Bourneq.

I would like you to do so at this time, please.

On April 21 2015 00:18 Trfel wrote:
You are not the lynch for today. And I'm done arguing with you, because it's getting nowhere, as you aren't willing to listen.

I will discuss with other people one they enter the thread. I would still like an answer to my above question. Thank you.

On April 21 2015 00:30 Trfel wrote:
What about the part where I said that his earlier posting actually looked a bit good for him? And I still think that it does, just his contradiction and explanation looks really bad. I did not decide to scumread Bourneq from the start of the game, The Shining already pointed out where I said that my first argument was flawed and that it didn't make Bourneq scum at all.

He only sided with Bill Murray after I accused him of sheeping the thread sentiment, and suggested that he could be scum with Bill Murray.

On April 21 2015 00:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Why are you guys so allergic to policy lynches?

Policy lynches are great.

On April 21 2015 02:03 Onegu wrote:
##UNVOTE

Can buy he didn't read setup...

Don't like Scott's OMGUS at this point either...

On April 21 2015 02:09 Trfel wrote:
Bill Murray is being extremely persistent. While I don't like his case on scott31337, I can see him actually believing it.

I'd really like to lynch Bourneq, but it seems that I'm the only one who would. Back to the drawing board, I suppose.

scott31337 wrote:
Yes, I have a meh read - not enough to go one way or the other, espically on Day 1 - is that possible? YES!Everyone else was null - Damdred and OWS were stirring the thread in the right direction, and I did not have an opionion on anybody else yet. If I added to that now, I'd give a slight town to Trfel - him and Damdred going at it looks innocent, and you look a little scummy. Fair? This is my second game - I wanted someone else to explain a "tone read" better then me looking up mafiawiki or urban dictionary - nobody ever did though. So helping newbies out is scummy? I'll have to remember that in the future. No, I do not think it is a terrible plan, because I think you are scum. I am going to OMGUS you and your terrible case.
From what I read on TBD's last game, he was actualy very similar before I voted for him. He started posting afterwards, and has faded - but I don't think he'll be the lynch today - tomorrow we can re-evaluate.

On April 21 2015 02:59 Trfel wrote:
Hello, Holyflare.

This game is extremely inactive. Town isn't managing to do much of anything.

There is some suspicion on Bill Murray for bluehunting.
Some people want to lynch cakepie for taking a very long time between starting to read the game and posting reads, as well as being non-committal.
I want to lynch Bourneq for a terrible read progression, but no one else agrees with me.

On April 21 2015 03:07 Trfel wrote:
Bluehunting means finding blues, presumably so you can night kill them.

There is suspicion that your statements asking the power roles to claim is bluehunting, because they claim and then you kill them. That is the biggest reason that most people are suspicious of you.

On July 22 2014 03:51 Bill Murray wrote:

the kills were literally "who are blue"

On April 21 2015 03:39 Trfel wrote:
My reasons are clearly stated in my filter at the time. I don't know why you are asking.

If you are trying to say that I am scum because of OMGUS, then say that.

On April 21 2015 03:14 Trfel wrote:
Bill Murray, I don't know your meta. Why would you think that I would? I'm a new player to this site.

Did you miss the part where I said that I don't want to lynch you any more?
And Damdred has been pushing me the most, and at this point he's probably town. But I said that I don't want to lynch him long before.

On April 21 2015 04:06 The Shining wrote:
Yeah BM's off my lynch list for now. I skimmed to catch up so I'm going to reread but off of first impressions, I don't like Scott's OMGUS. And Cake doesn't look any better from that last post. Still don't think I'd lynch him but it's becoming more likely. Especially plynch voting Plot after being against his own plynch. Hypocrisy.

Trfel - Suspicious of/scums Bourne - Damdred - BM - LS. You've been suspicious of a good percentage of the game already. At what point does it go from scumhunting to town paranoia to scum flinging scum every which way? Right when I was about to respond to your post and read progression on Bourne, I've got a whole new case on LS to address now. LoL.

How many times has LS been mislynched for this in the past? He even mentioned it himself this game. "I usually get scummed for my list posts." But I'm who asked him for it so I won't scum him for it.

On April 21 2015 04:26 Holyflare wrote:


what? why are you voting him but giving a provision where you don't seem to want to?

On April 21 2015 10:05 Damdred wrote:
Scott and trfel are probably scum here.

On April 21 2015 10:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm going to be kind of annoyed if I called maf!scott out a page in and let him go.

On April 20 2015 22:54 Bill Murray wrote:
You know, this setup seems absurdly scum favored upon looking at it. We REALLY Don't need a mislynch on me. IF anyone would come around right now, I would greatly enjoy some discussion. As it is, though, I am doing some filter diving.

Speaking of scumteams I thought 1) we had 9 players and there were 2 scum
2) it was Cop/Doc/Goon/Goon
3) I am actually relatively confirmed village idiot at this point

But you all can go ahead and lynch me I'm not even going to doublevote on someone to get the vote off of me


I don't see this guy as being scum. The last part of his post is more of a "theory posed as a question"

There is a guy on this website named Foolishness, who, in the prime of his mafia playing, wasn't the best mafia player. He was great as town, but as mafia, he would emulate his blue play, possibly subconsciously, and coast through D1 to D2 before he would start posting. As VT however the guy would be posting this huge ass posts detailing the possibility of entire scumteams



I still don't think this guy should be lynched, even when he's making fun of me. I feel like he is just a bored VT.

##vote: Scott31337

IIoA, AtA, AtS, voting obvious bored townie

Scott has been giving any bit of off topic information, or even on topic information, without actually doing analysis. I will highlight this now:


Even in his most scumhunting sounding post, he chooses to word it as "is viewed as scummy" as opposed to "is scummy". His previous scumhunting analysis is a whopping "meh"... literally. He literally says that. What can we get out of someone saying "meh" ? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.


his one town post, the above, even feels forced. he throws out a couple leans as bones to the town, and then goes on to finish it with the almighty "Everyone is null"

Yeah it's early in the game but this is different. This is him trying to coast through while having activity for the sake of activity without committing to any analysis whatsoever.


More IIoA. Bringing up a topic and not even answering it. He defers.


When directly questioned comes up with a bullshit excuse based upon "he feels obi and damdred are town"

He then goes onto the worst of his IIoA and becomes a human library trying to throw a link out to get suspicion off himself.

He is feigning helpfulness as scum and this post also highlights my next talking point, his AtA.

AtA = appealing to authority. He is sucking up to what he views as the better players haha
he is also trying to butt in anytime the moderator is brought up


in his most recent post with a forced question about someone he has had no discussion about or analysis of (asked towards cakepie about LightningStrike) this is there because CakePie has actually been shrugging off his scum aura and shining forth in the spotlight more. He has actually become a very helpful member of town. The reason Scott is doing this is scum motivated. He wants a list of reads from Cakepie to see whether or not he should be killing him tonight. If Scott himself is lower on that list, bam, the cake is a lie. There are other explanations here including his not understanding the meta of the thread, coaching, actual analysis etc but I feel like, given his earlier posting, he is using this as AtA and judging where cake stands on the issue for negative reasons.


And here he appeals to statistics. He has the worst reaction of anyone to my trying to get some plan rolling. Town can't afford to have this sort of plan but people who are town are going to largely mull it over. Upon reading this I'm sure you all are thinking to yourself "well he's right" but in mafia it doesnt matter whether or not you are right it matters what you can get your friendly town to do with you. When someone is saying "BM rolls scum 80%" of the time to subconsciously fuck with you guys and get me lynched that's utter bullshit. Someone thats AtS along with AtA and IIoA needs to go


Lastly he was voting for TheBloodyDwarf who I completely disagree with him on. In fact I feel like he was trying to go for one of the most obvious vanilla town that is a village idiot and possibly a good mislynch

For all of those reasons I'm voting the 3rd filter I looked at, Scott.
##vote scott331331313

On April 21 2015 10:40 Holyflare wrote:
eh that's actually a pretty good case, despite the million unknown acronyms

On April 21 2015 10:53 Trfel wrote:
sic...having to choose between cakepie and scott31337 (with a weird wagon, and who I am even less confident in being scum), so I chose cakepie...sic
fun than to win the game.

On April 21 2015 11:07 Trfel wrote:
On scott31337:

I see this as a scumread. Despite the literal meaning of "meh", it definitely has a negative connotation.
Yes, it's a pressure vote, but that still is still somewhat of a commitment to the read.And he then goes on to explain, in detail, why he thinks that Bill Murray is scum (by refuting the case that Bill Murray made on him). I don't see scott31337 being non-committal here, while he isn't providing tons of reads, he's providing an amount which I feel are generally acceptable for a newbie.

Yes, the final post was made after Bill Murray's case, possibly as a reaction to it. But I don't think that he's provided a number scumreads that is low enough to be suspicious for a newbie.

One final thing of note is that scott31337 has only played one game before, Newbie Mini Mafia LX. He replaced into it, and he was mafia. In his very first post (other than saying hi), he called four people scum. I think it's reasonable to assume that a lack of experience having to actually make reads causes him to have fewer reads (this happens to so many newbies...), and this is assuming you don't meta read him as town for not taking stances on everyone right away (it is fair to blame this on him replacing into the previously mentioned game).

On April 20 2015 13:00 Trfel wrote:
Don't Lynch

scott31337 + Show Spoiler +
ObiWanShinobi + Show Spoiler +
LightningStrike + Show Spoiler +
Onegu + Show Spoiler +
The Shining + Show Spoiler +
LeiNadk + Show Spoiler +

Maybe Lynch

Damdred + Show Spoiler +
TheBloodyDwarf + Show Spoiler +

Could Lynch

Bourneq + Show Spoiler +
Bill Murray + Show Spoiler +

Policy Lynch
plotspot
cakepie

Bourneq and Bill Murray are both looking pretty bad here. I could even see them being scum together.

On April 21 2015 10:59 scott31337 wrote:
cakepie (5):, Bourneq, HolyFlare, scott, trfel OWS
scott31337 (5): Bill Murray, Onegu, LeiNadk, cakepie damd
Bourneq (1): The Shining
Trfel (1): LightningStrike

Not voting (1): prplhz

LS voted for Trfel so he wouldn't vote for a townie, but then did - I think Trfel's town. The Shining left his vote on Bourneq and we haven't heard from him either recently.

Cakepie shows Bourneq vote first (I'll have to find the unvote listing as well) - HF, Scott, Trfel, OWS - but OWS was on earlier before trying to start on LS.
The wagon on me has been some slight townie leads and a flipped VT - although I'm still suspicious of BM though.

OWS and Trfel would be my top towns

BM and Bourneq, maybe Onegu? would be at the bottom.

If you have any questions, feel free.

On April 21 2015 11:01 scott31337 wrote:


That would be a bad decision.

Is there anything I can answer for you? Did you also see my rebuttals to BM's case I posted?

On April 21 2015 12:00 LightningStrike wrote:

Tfrel he not he only looking a little bit like his Student V meta when he was scum but also the way he hammer Cake when he was hard defending Cake earlier is extremely scummy for him to do that. So by association based on the votes Scott got to be Mafia with Tfrel if Scott is Mafia. The 3rd one is a mystery still. Who you think is the 3rd Mafia if Tfrel and Scott are Mafia?

On April 22 2015 03:06 Trfel wrote:
Just to clarify....

Among the veteran players* on this site, the common opinion is that town should continue to discuss through the night just as much as they would during the day. Yes, it does provide the mafia more information for their night kills, but that is vastly outweighed by the increased discussion and information that town has to work with. And the mafia night kills aren't as important as town working together to catch mafia.

*And no, I'm not claiming to be a veteran player. I personally have no way to know if it is better to discuss at night or not, but I'm trusting experienced players on this.

I like scott31337's post above. I forgot that he showed suspicions of Onegu, and I look forward to hearing his reasoning.

On April 22 2015 04:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


You play on MS too? :O

We should play there some time.

On April 22 2015 04:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Also, I've decided that we are lynching LS tomorrow.

On April 19 2015 10:43 LightningStrike wrote:

I thought it obvious we repeat it multiple times lol. Also what you mean no proof needed for you to be town?

On April 19 2015 10:49 LightningStrike wrote:

I figured it was a joke since I talked to Tfrel on Skype(For us to play LoL and SC2 HOTS) last night about how I go full Romanian sometimes on jokes here on TL so ofc I would expect him to be cheeky with that.

On April 19 2015 12:52 LightningStrike wrote:
Alright so I going to bed and when I wake up I will answer every thing that is asked towards me and check everything out!

On April 20 2015 00:49 LightningStrike wrote:

Odd but that alone wouldn't make him scum if he's scum.

On April 20 2015 05:23 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and Bill Murray wants to blue hunt which is terrible to do as town esp because scum can counterclaim easly.

On April 22 2015 04:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Damdred is not mafia.

On April 22 2015 04:49 LightningStrike wrote:

I'm not blue I just a VT and hating the blue hunting you did earlier in Day 1. Also idk why you thought I softed blue because I almost always say I will check everything out regardless of my alignment. Check all the games in my database plus JOAT,XXX and Guardians for you sample my play as both alignments