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Welp, just referenced your filter. So you retracted your suspicion of him here(bolded all sentences mentioning Bourne):
On April 20 2015 00:07 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 14:29 LeiNadk wrote:
First of all, I'm watching Bourne not because of Trfel's logic but because of the fact that he said he was going to sleep but stuck around as evident from his comment after Trfel's entrant post. I feel like he is carefully following the game without making it seems like he is. I think that this actually makes Bourneq slightly more likely to be town. Town is interested in the thread enough to reload a few more times after they say they will go to sleep. Mafia will more likely not make a post when they don't have to. But it isn't very significant. I do like LeiNadk's posting so far. Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 14:48 The Shining wrote:
I guess by page 7 I should've expected you guys to be a bit more serious. My bad.
Trfel, any time I've played with you as town, you're able to have a light joking presence. Take, for instance, scumming the slot you replaced in right from the start in our last game. I'm surprised you of all people didn't see the lightness in my post. It's a light toneread but I don't see your normal towniness. Won't necessarily scum you right away though since you mentioned the thread was slow. You're at least trying to push conversation, which town needs right now.
The validity of your read on Bourne? Like I said, he's a newbie that just got mislynched to lose a game for town. His posts aren't indicative to me, as I could easily see them coming from the perspective of a newbtown whos main thought right now is to avoid being put in that position again. I'm sorry, I misinterpreted your first post slightly. Your reads on scott31337 and ObiWanShinobi were clearly jokes, however you bothered to change your read on me to possible scum instead of sure scum like the other two. I felt that this meant that you were actually serious about this read. My fault. I'm really not good at reading for tone and I miss jokes frequently (there's a reason I almost never give tonereads), so I don't know where you would get the contrary opinion. And yes, thank you for your statements on Bourneq. That is the flaw in my argument. I'm surprised that Damdred disagreed with my argument but for different reasons. Bourneq also explained this quite nicely. The Shining gets a slight townread for his explanation of this.However, I'm somewhat surprised that Bourneq jumped on the inactive players like that. I don't think it is important at this time, but I would hope to see him keep his discussion on players in the thread from here on out. Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 14:57 The Shining wrote:
LightningStrike When you get back I want to see you actually do something. All I could gather from your posts is you're worried about getting scumread and you'll answer questions tomorrow. Can I get some preliminary reads from you when you do come back? I'm sure you'll have some thoughts on the posts you read when you wake up. For reference, I've heard that some people advise not to ask questions like this. Obviously, this is different when dealing with newer players, but LightningStrike is experienced, and he knows to provide reads. If you ask him, of course he'll provide reads. If you don't ask him, maybe he will on his own accord, which would be more interesting.
Then you let it go until he starts scumming you. In one of your larger posts, you quote a comment from him and explain that your large post is NAI. So you're defending yourself from someone with a very small thread presence. Couple that with checking back and posting twice after your list post scumming him and it's starting to feel like paranoia. Then you don't mention him again until here:
On April 20 2015 12:27 Trfel wrote:
Thoughts on Bourneq?
(specifically to Damdred and ObiWanShinobi, but also to anyone who is here)
Once again feeling out thread sentiment regarding Bourne. Damdred gives you a weak null on him, Obi doesn't answer, you see I'm already leaning towards lynching him so you make a case in order to push him. Why not case it without asking others' opinions first?
A case can be more telling about your alignment than the person you're casing, tbh, and you're falling off my town list slowly.
I'm not pulling Bourne off of my lynch list just yet but Trfel has me weary. Early bus/mislynch possibility here.
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Doesn't seem like anyone is here, either, so I'll be off to play some League to try and emulate my idol Bjergsen <3
I'll be checking back periodically every 20-45 mins or so in between matches in case anyone pops up between now and then.
Really need town to show up and start talking before EoD tomorrow. Last minute wagons forming are far from ideal for us.
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On April 20 2015 13:17 Trfel wrote:
Uh, any thoughts? That response was rather underwhelming.
It's mostly accurate, albeit somewhat centered on thread sentiment. It's okay.
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##vote cakepie
No reason not to do this now. If he's not going to post, then there's no reason not to take care of this guy.
Also, now is about the time we need to start consolidating on targets and such. Normally I would wait longer to tell people this, but the game is incredibly low activity and there's no reason to keep our votes out of play like this.
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Before anything else, what the heck, I'm not allowed to refresh the thread on the side while filter diving and working on my reads? Feels like my play style doesn’t fit the meta these days or something.
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Since I got a late start to the game, I’ll start by bringing a new, different observation of my own, and try to avoid rehashing things that people have already brought up.
Scott asked me about LightningStrike -- who turns out to be squarely null+ -- engaged and forthcoming, a bit better than most, and not particularly controversial or swingy.
What’s interesting, though, is that looking over LS and his interactions, a lot of it is with Damdred, who on closer inspection feels like he may be trying to get chummy with LS. And why so eager to know how LS reads him so early on? Not blatant red flag -- might just be a product of who’s around and active to talk to early game, or just a meta thing between people who’ve played together -- I don’t know most of the newer players. Also certainly not to trying to draw associations. Just a thing I noticed, smells a bit fishy, not concrete, but may be worth keeping an eye on.
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Now for something else that feel I must address and make my opinion known, even at the risk of rebleating someone else:
Trfel’s huegpost: some people have pointed to it as not alignment indicative, BM flagged it as scumandeering. I feel it is somewhere between the two, south of null. Certainly, the hypothetical scum motivation is there: gaining cred for little substance, and swaying the favor of newbie players. Town motivation, much harder to justify -- sure, it’s a newbie game, but we are in-game and this is not the venue for dumping guides and glossaries -- there are resources out there for that. Feels almost pretentious, trying to tell people how to play.
Of course, clearly the post was premeditated before the game even started, and he has some history of making similar posts, though not quite as big, so that’s what nudges it away from being an outright red flag for me.
Make attention grabbing huegpost? Okay, you have my attention, but now what are you going to do with it? If you want to try to take the reins and lead town -- fine by me, I don’t judge that in itself either way. But if you put yourself in the spotlight, expect scrutiny, that’s only fair.
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Oh yeah, fantastic, get pvoted while drafting. =/
I'm here, talk to me. Better things to do than policy lynch with plenty of time remaining. And even if you're determined to go LAL, isn't there someone else who is even less active?
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Hmm. Do you have any other reads?
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Obi, no comment at all on my reaction to Trfel's posts? You're really trying to weed out the plynches, eh? Unfortunately, with the levels of activity this game, I find myself agreeing with you more as it progresses. Sigh.
Hi Cake. Hurray for an entrance. I'm up to talk if you're down. Initial reaction is that you brought up something that hasn't really been addressed in the thread(LS-Damdred read interaction) which is an original thought. So, did you see anything in any of this other posts?
And ofc, interested in you response to Obi's question, too. I'm not trying to overwhelm you but I have HORRIBLE luck with pylnches as town, whether I vote them or not. They like, always flip town. Let's not let this be you if you are town, pls.
Sidenote: What's LAL, Cake?
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Well I don't think Trfel is mafia, if that's what you're asking.
If anything I think you look worse for posting it, specifically because you're suspicious of both parties while one is pushing the other for lynch.
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I don't think that makes you mafia either but that's something to think about for the future.
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I thought you liked me. 
Me: Suspicious of Bourne for pushing one of the more active posters in the thread D1.
Suspicious of Trfel for lying about being "happy" with Bourne up until that post when he clearly was suspicious of him.
Yeah, I'm okay with that, even if they are pushing eachother. I find those both to be scum traits, better to say it than not say it.
So you don't think I'm scum. Nor Trfel. Voting plynch. Hm.
On April 20 2015 11:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 11:56 Damdred wrote:
We are lynching cake.
That's what we are doing. No, I'm not done with this yet.
What exactly weren't you done with then that you are done with now and can vote Cake now?
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I'm not done with BM, I just thought that cake was plausibly a better lynch if he wasn't doing anything.
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Theoretically he's still a good lynch if he won't take any stances at all.
He needs reads instead of just calling people null or null+.
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Yeah, it's actually pretty bad looking that he AFKd after his last post being "I'm here, talk to me."
I tried. =/ Good point, I know D1 is rough but a bunch of null reads help nothing.
Going to bed now. See ya in the morning.
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OWS, If there’s one thing that really seems out of place to me, it would be BM’s mass claim proposal / “blue hunt” -- quite simply, it doesn’t add up. I’m well aware that he has a bit of a reputation, but the situation still reeks of exceedingly weird. Hypothesize he is scum motivated? I don’t think noob game means people are dumb enough to fall for the straight up blue hunt. Town motivated? I’m pretty sure he doesn’t get any passes for not knowing the setup, or trying for “60% if no counterclaim”. Some kind of test to gauge reactions? Not apparent that is the case either. Occam’s razor would prefer obvious scum here.
Onegu mentioned “too scummy to be scum, doesnt work” [as a defense] and my NMM33 experience would tend to agree that usually too obvious scum = scum. As things stand now, if deadline was in a couple of hours and we had to consolidate already, I’d probably vote BM. It’s not a new case by any means, but that’s the strongest read I have.
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On April 20 2015 15:36 The Shining wrote:
you brought up something that hasn't really been addressed in the thread(LS-Damdred read interaction) which is an original thought. So, did you see anything in any of this other posts?
Didn’t see much of the “too friendly” type interaction elsewhere, but one other thing that stood out for me is when Trfel seemed really hung up about Damdred’s opinion/thoughts process re: himself here and then again at the end here despite Damdred already addressing it here, I think.
Caring too hard about what people think about yourself is a bit of a scumtell.
On April 20 2015 15:36 The Shining wrote:
I'm not trying to overwhelm you but I have HORRIBLE luck with pylnches as town, whether I vote them or not. They like, always flip town. Let's not let this be you if you are town, pls.
I prefer to take my time to read, deliberate, and draft. I tend to have a relatively shorter filter. That’s just how I am. But if you can see past the superficiality of post count and such and find something of value in my play, perhaps we can avoid this potential mislynch.
On April 20 2015 15:36 The Shining wrote:
Sidenote: What's LAL, Cake?
Lynch all lurkers (sometimes, liars)
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On April 20 2015 16:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
He needs reads instead of just calling people null or null+.
Well, I’m not going to post a huge ordered list or give townreads and help scum prioritize out who to kill off. And it should not be surprising at this stage of D1 to be looking at a lot of null± among moderately active players. I’ve given my strongest read and voiced a couple of my suspicions, and though the latter are a bit more swingy and hard to place for now, with their activity, we’ll have more to work with as we go. Unfortunately, with my fairly limited experience, D1 still feels like a crapshoot, barring some really obvious slip or discrepancy from someone. I think BM fits the bill best here. (see what I did there?)
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Re: Shining’s point on Trfel->Bourneq, I think it’s quite plausible for Trfel to be more of “happy to leave Bourneq alone for now” until a second look when the apparent opinion shift happened, which really got his attention / aroused his suspicion.
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... and too slow again apparently. =(
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Vote Count
Onegu (1): Bill Murray
TheBloodyDwarf (0): scott31337
Trfel (0): Bill Murray
Bill Murray (1): Onegu
cakepie (1): ObiWanShinobi
Not voting (10): TheBloodyDwarf, scott31337, LightningStrike, LeiNadk, Trfel, The Shining, cakepie, Damdred, Bourneq, plotspot
+ Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] +VOTE: scott31337 voted TheBloodyDwarf ( post) VOTE: Bill Murray voted trfel (Trfel) ( post) VOTE: Onegu voted Bill Murray ( post) VOTE: scott31337 unvoted TheBloodyDwarf ( post) VOTE: Bill Murray unvoted Trfel ( post) VOTE: Bill Murray voted onegu (Onegu) ( post) VOTE: ObiWanShinobi voted cakepie ( post)
Currently, Bill Murray is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 01:00 GMT (+00:00).
Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
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##Vote: plotspot
Goodnight LoneMeow, since it doesn't look like anyone else is left around
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In regards to Trfel
It's also strange how he suddenly jumped on me when he said that he liked me for scumreading him. It feels that Bourneq is trying to set himself up to vote for me, but then Bill Murray suggests mass claiming, and this starts to draw attention. Bourneq never mentions me again. This progression seems extremely suspicious to me.
Besides this, Bourneq hasn't done very much. He's sheeped the thread sentiment several times (agreeing entirely with LightningStrike's list post, but mentioning the three inactive players, note that he didn't mention inactive players last game as town), and a weak read on LightningStrike ("[LightningStrike seems] just as town as anybody else to me so far"). I could definitely lynch Bourneq.
I have done nothing to set up a vote on you. I did not even concider it so I really don't know where this is coming from. I would guess its from this Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 01:22 Bourneq wrote:
I am not scum, give me your reasoning Bill, I'd love to vote trfel. He is trying a bit too hard.
On a different note I am not sure about the Bill lynch yet, it kind of feels like the plotspot lynch last game where he was saying some super scummy things yet flipped town. But if I had to vote right now I would vote Bill, I really hope this thread picks up however so that we can make a more educated lynch.
Speaking of plotspot he is still a no-show which makes me sad. He is likely to draw a plynch or 2.
Currently Obi is on my radar.
On April 20 2015 07:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 07:02 Onegu wrote:On April 20 2015 06:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 20 2015 06:47 Onegu wrote:
Obi have you played with BM before?
Yes. Then thoughts on him this game? He exists.
This post above is worse than my answer last game when asked to give a tone read. And that says something. Especially since obi is not a newbie and I am. He seems awfully set on plynching D1 aswell which I dont like. All this said I still would not scumlist him.
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Little side note to my last post. Just because I did not want to vote trfel does not mean I've towned him yet.
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Hello am I alone in this dark world?
Scott since you unvoted TBD do you mind sharing who you would wrather vote as of now?
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EPT
