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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
I also don't want to spotlight, as per Ace's school of town | ||
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Trfel
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Oh well. It doesn't seem that much has happened since I left. Give me a bit to get settled, and I'll go over everything in detail. | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
On April 20 2015 11:10 Bill Murray wrote: crossvoting someone who is pushing my lynch So how is he trying to force a towntell by doing that? | ||
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Damdred
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That's what we are doing. | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
On April 20 2015 11:56 Damdred wrote: We are lynching cake. That's what we are doing. No, I'm not done with this yet. | ||
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LightningStrike
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Damdred
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cakes been catching up for like 6 hours lol | ||
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Trfel
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(specifically to Damdred and ObiWanShinobi, but also to anyone who is here) | ||
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cakepie
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(Also I will admit to getting distracted by shoutcraft, and then dinner.) | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
On April 20 2015 12:22 Damdred wrote: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz cakes been catching up for like 6 hours lol lol I haven't even been paying attention to him. That would be a fun lynch. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On April 20 2015 12:27 Trfel wrote: Thoughts on Bourneq? (specifically to Damdred and ObiWanShinobi, but also to anyone who is here) Theres not much to go on and I don't give much credence to your earlier read about his tone part which 've already said. HE doesn't have any reads though that I can see and nothing concrete to an extent, so hes in the lower part of null land | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
On April 20 2015 12:28 cakepie wrote: I'm slow okay? Sheesh! (Also I will admit to getting distracted by shoutcraft, and then dinner.) 6 minutes after the Damdred post. Appeared awfully fast for someone catching up. O.o | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Hope that Cake has some sort of reads haha | ||
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Trfel
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
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Trfel
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scott31337 + Show Spoiler + Scott31337 has been active and helpful. He has been often answering and asking questions. The number of reads he has provided are fewer, but his reads seem reasonably thought out. I definitely don't want to lynch him today. ObiWanShinobi + Show Spoiler + ObiWanShinobi has been fairly active and discussing things with people. He has been willing to follow others, but also has been original. While he is capable of playing like this as scum, there is no reason to see him as scum here. LightningStrike + Show Spoiler + His activity has been fairly good. Furthermore, he's made some good comments, and I don't see anything that stands out as scummy. Onegu + Show Spoiler + I didn't like his original townread on me, but I did like the way he explained his read over the next few posts. That's enough to make me not want to lynch him today, especially since we can hold him to reasonable activity standards later. The Shining + Show Spoiler + He's been active, leading the thread when present, and making a bunch of good reads. Need I say more? LeiNadk + Show Spoiler + Seems truly inquisitive, and willing to participate. Tone also says town. He could certainly be mafia here, and his activity today does hint at that, but I don't want to lynch him yet. Maybe Lynch Damdred + Show Spoiler + I just don't know about him. Probably not a good lynch for today just because he's Damdred, anyway. If he is town, then we definitely need him alive, and there's an extremely good chance he will force mafia to kill him. TheBloodyDwarf + Show Spoiler + He seems comfortable enough, but minimal reads. Not much to go on. Could Lynch Bourneq + Show Spoiler + So, initially I was happy with Bourneq this game. On April 19 2015 20:47 Bourneq wrote: This post seems very honest and open, in addition to making me laugh. Bourneq seems to be acknowledging his errors last game and adjusting. However, I noticed several suspicious things in his folder that make me hesitant to town read him.I was laughing really bad reading this. I was making a joke in both thoose comments. First joke because of last game when we lost because I did not know what a tone read was. Secondly I updated the page as I was brushing my teeth and see a post as long as my arm. I acctually read the thing and felt like it had been written up the day before so it looks just as scummy as it looks townie to me. Anyway I was just about to go to sleep so I just said TL;DR as a joke and headed for bed. On a completely different note, I am excited too see what dwarf will bring to the table this game. So far I could get behind lynching all the americans but I dont know if that is a valid strategy since they dont necessarily have to be scum to be americans. On April 19 2015 20:47 Bourneq wrote: [referring to my very long post] I acctually read the thing and felt like it had been written up the day before so it looks just as scummy as it looks townie to me. On April 19 2015 22:01 Bourneq wrote: I like trfel so far since the last person who ended up scumreading me this early on for my very first posts ended up being town. On April 20 2015 01:22 Bourneq wrote: I am not scum, give me your reasoning Bill, I'd love to vote trfel. He is trying a bit too hard. On April 20 2015 04:06 Bourneq wrote: What a strange progression in these four posts. Once Bill Murray scumreads me, Bourneq says that he would love to vote for me. He says that my big post is long and trying to make me look good, and that he thinks it is forced. This is interesting, since he already said that this post was mostly written before the game began, and is thus says nothing about my alignment. Furthermore, he played with me last game, when I was town, and I posted four extremely long analysis posts on the earlier portions of the game (I replaced in). How is me making a long post any different than it was last game?Because this is a different trfel than from the last game I just came from where he was town. And making a huge post like that and trying hard to look like town seems forced and not genuine, like it comes from a scum perspective. It could be motivated from both alignments as I've stated before but I am getting a scummy vibe. It's also strange how he suddenly jumped on me when he said that he liked me for scumreading him. It feels that Bourneq is trying to set himself up to vote for me, but then Bill Murray suggests mass claiming, and this starts to draw attention. Bourneq never mentions me again. This progression seems extremely suspicious to me. Besides this, Bourneq hasn't done very much. He's sheeped the thread sentiment several times (agreeing entirely with LightningStrike's list post, but mentioning the three inactive players, note that he didn't mention inactive players last game as town), and a weak read on LightningStrike ("[LightningStrike seems] just as town as anybody else to me so far"). I could definitely lynch Bourneq. Bill Murray + Show Spoiler + This one's kind of obvious. He was blue hunting, and had no good explanation (how could he?). He assumed that if town claimed, and mafia didn't counterclaim, town would have about a 60% chance of winning, but despite this number and asking for claims, he didn't bother to actually read the setup. On April 20 2015 01:32 Bill Murray wrote: I think that this post supports Bill Murray as town slightly, he revises it to have only the cop claim (which makes sense if you think that the setup is cop/doctor). However, he's still looking pretty bad.There is 1 role that should be claiming. Cop. Voting for Onegu instead of me is pretty bad as well. And, he scumread me for doing something (posting again after I said I would leave) while he completely ignored Bourneq doing the same thing. In fact, he was willing to provide his reasoning for voting me to Bourneq but not to me (because apparently I am scum, while Bourneq isn't). This is weird. But I hesitate to lynch him because of the reasons he provided for his scumread on me. On April 20 2015 01:28 Bill Murray wrote: This analysis is flawed, but it does make him seem somewhat better.my reasoning is that 1) he is trying to scumandeer the game a. this could be as town, referred to as spotlighting b. this could be as scum, which i think it is here 2) he ends the RQS early a. this is hypocritical of him given his last post (where he assaults me for stifling information) b. his head is up his own ass regarding this which is a reason he is cancerous and toxic to the town (big posts suck) 3) for having spotlighted, he is already giving excuses a. he said he had to go before b. he actually STUCK AROUND to see if anyone said anything about him before saying he had to go again TL:DR don't be apologetic if you're spotlighting. I need to make a check of his play from last game and analyze his filter more heavily, but I could see myself lynching Bill Murray. Policy Lynch plotspot cakepie Bourneq and Bill Murray are both looking pretty bad here. I could even see them being scum together. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
Anyway, two questions. Bill Murray: What is RQS? (from your post where you explained why you were scumreading me) What happened to your scumread of me? | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
But I really want everyone to read my above post, or at least my two scumreads. I'll quote them again here, so you have no excuse for being too lazy to scroll up two posts. Thoughts or comments are much appreciated. If you don't like either of these lynches, who do you want to lynch instead? On April 20 2015 13:00 Trfel wrote: Bourneq + Show Spoiler + So, initially I was happy with Bourneq this game. On April 19 2015 20:47 Bourneq wrote: This post seems very honest and open, in addition to making me laugh. Bourneq seems to be acknowledging his errors last game and adjusting. However, I noticed several suspicious things in his folder that make me hesitant to town read him.I was laughing really bad reading this. I was making a joke in both thoose comments. First joke because of last game when we lost because I did not know what a tone read was. Secondly I updated the page as I was brushing my teeth and see a post as long as my arm. I acctually read the thing and felt like it had been written up the day before so it looks just as scummy as it looks townie to me. Anyway I was just about to go to sleep so I just said TL;DR as a joke and headed for bed. On a completely different note, I am excited too see what dwarf will bring to the table this game. So far I could get behind lynching all the americans but I dont know if that is a valid strategy since they dont necessarily have to be scum to be americans. On April 19 2015 20:47 Bourneq wrote: [referring to my very long post] I acctually read the thing and felt like it had been written up the day before so it looks just as scummy as it looks townie to me. On April 19 2015 22:01 Bourneq wrote: I like trfel so far since the last person who ended up scumreading me this early on for my very first posts ended up being town. On April 20 2015 01:22 Bourneq wrote: I am not scum, give me your reasoning Bill, I'd love to vote trfel. He is trying a bit too hard. On April 20 2015 04:06 Bourneq wrote: What a strange progression in these four posts. Once Bill Murray scumreads me, Bourneq says that he would love to vote for me. He says that my big post is long and trying to make me look good, and that he thinks it is forced. This is interesting, since he already said that this post was mostly written before the game began, and is thus says nothing about my alignment. Furthermore, he played with me last game, when I was town, and I posted four extremely long analysis posts on the earlier portions of the game (I replaced in). How is me making a long post any different than it was last game?Because this is a different trfel than from the last game I just came from where he was town. And making a huge post like that and trying hard to look like town seems forced and not genuine, like it comes from a scum perspective. It could be motivated from both alignments as I've stated before but I am getting a scummy vibe. It's also strange how he suddenly jumped on me when he said that he liked me for scumreading him. It feels that Bourneq is trying to set himself up to vote for me, but then Bill Murray suggests mass claiming, and this starts to draw attention. Bourneq never mentions me again. This progression seems extremely suspicious to me. Besides this, Bourneq hasn't done very much. He's sheeped the thread sentiment several times (agreeing entirely with LightningStrike's list post, but mentioning the three inactive players, note that he didn't mention inactive players last game as town), and a weak read on LightningStrike ("[LightningStrike seems] just as town as anybody else to me so far"). I could definitely lynch Bourneq. Bill Murray + Show Spoiler + This one's kind of obvious. He was blue hunting, and had no good explanation (how could he?). He assumed that if town claimed, and mafia didn't counterclaim, town would have about a 60% chance of winning, but despite this number and asking for claims, he didn't bother to actually read the setup. On April 20 2015 01:32 Bill Murray wrote: I think that this post supports Bill Murray as town slightly, he revises it to have only the cop claim (which makes sense if you think that the setup is cop/doctor). However, he's still looking pretty bad.There is 1 role that should be claiming. Cop. Voting for Onegu instead of me is pretty bad as well. And, he scumread me for doing something (posting again after I said I would leave) while he completely ignored Bourneq doing the same thing. In fact, he was willing to provide his reasoning for voting me to Bourneq but not to me (because apparently I am scum, while Bourneq isn't). This is weird. But I hesitate to lynch him because of the reasons he provided for his scumread on me. On April 20 2015 01:28 Bill Murray wrote: This analysis is flawed, but it does make him seem somewhat better.my reasoning is that 1) he is trying to scumandeer the game a. this could be as town, referred to as spotlighting b. this could be as scum, which i think it is here 2) he ends the RQS early a. this is hypocritical of him given his last post (where he assaults me for stifling information) b. his head is up his own ass regarding this which is a reason he is cancerous and toxic to the town (big posts suck) 3) for having spotlighted, he is already giving excuses a. he said he had to go before b. he actually STUCK AROUND to see if anyone said anything about him before saying he had to go again TL:DR don't be apologetic if you're spotlighting. I need to make a check of his play from last game and analyze his filter more heavily, but I could see myself lynching Bill Murray. | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
But since you asked... On April 19 2015 11:49 Trfel wrote: Hm, this game feels slow already. I thought my post would get things started, but I guess that wasn't good enough. I find Bourneq to be the most suspicious so far.Bourneq asks if anyone wants to ask him for a tone read, because this is something that people asked him to do last game. And he knows that it's a townie thing to do. However, the interesting thing is that he asks if people want him to tone read someone or something. He doesn't seem inclined to do it himself. This suggests that he is more interested in appeasing others and not getting lynched than actually finding scum. Furthermore, he says that he will sleep instead of scumhunting. But why would he leave the first sentence in if he is going to sleep after all? He left it in to gain town credit for being open to doing something towny (making a read). Then, someone in his previous game made a post. And Bourneq acknowledges it and says that he wasn't going to read it. Why does Bourneq feel a need to acknowledge my post? He already said that he's tired and he will be going to bed. His post doesn't help town in any way, but it makes him seem more involved in the game (which is false, since he didn't bother to toneread anyone at all). I'll be heading out again for a while. Any thoughts? This was your first post on Bourne. One of your first posts once the game started. I don't see how it correlates with the very first line of your Bourne analysis in that list post. Bolded for clarity. On April 20 2015 13:00 Trfel wrote: Bourneq - So, initially I was happy with Bourneq this game.This post seems very honest and open, in addition to making me laugh. Bourneq seems to be acknowledging his errors last game and adjusting. However, I noticed several suspicious things in his folder that make me hesitant to town read him. What a strange progression in these four posts. Once Bill Murray scumreads me, Bourneq says that he would love to vote for me. He says that my big post is long and trying to make me look good, and that he thinks it is forced. This is interesting, since he already said that this post was mostly written before the game began, and is thus says nothing about my alignment. Furthermore, he played with me last game, when I was town, and I posted four extremely long analysis posts on the earlier portions of the game (I replaced in). How is me making a long post any different than it was last game? It's also strange how he suddenly jumped on me when he said that he liked me for scumreading him. It feels that Bourneq is trying to set himself up to vote for me, but then Bill Murray suggests mass claiming, and this starts to draw attention. Bourneq never mentions me again. This progression seems extremely suspicious to me. Besides this, Bourneq hasn't done very much. He's sheeped the thread sentiment several times (agreeing entirely with LightningStrike's list post, but mentioning the three inactive players, note that he didn't mention inactive players last game as town), and a weak read on LightningStrike ("[LightningStrike seems] just as town as anybody else to me so far"). I could definitely lynch Bourneq. So at what point during finding him most suspicious at the very beginning were you "happy" with him up to this point? Seems like you're trying to mislead us. I'd like you to answer before I address your actual analysis on Bourne. I believe the disconnect on the progression of your read is pretty telling. | ||
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