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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 15:06 GMT
#361
I disagree. I think you can clearly see him trying to solve the game if you read his posts.

I think you can also see Bourneq being non-committal and following thread sentiment (until after I posted my case on him), and being inconsistent with a bad explanation for the one solid read that he made.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 20 2015 15:06 GMT
#362
SHOW ME HOW HES REACHING ANY CONCLUSSIONS ABOUT THE GAME TRFEL DO IT RIGH TNOW DO IT
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 15:08 GMT
#363
On April 21 2015 00:03 Damdred wrote:
and you are defending him indeed. Such as "He has good analysis" is a defense of my attack "he has no conclussions and not really doint much"

Also you really need to look at what a wasted vote with no push is, because what he did is the definition of it.
I am defending him, and I said as much myself.

This is yet another instance of you not reading the thread carefully. Believe it or not, I am keeping a list.

It's not a wasted vote when many people have been bringing up the idea of policy lynching. It has nearly as much reasoning as when you first voted for cakepie anyway (and there's barely a difference between the two).
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 20 2015 15:09 GMT
#364
am not defending cakepie. I am showing why I don't think that he is a good lynch today, compared to Bill Murray, and especially compared to Bourneq


why not remember your own posts then trfel
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 20 2015 15:12 GMT
#365
Cake isn't trying to solve the game, there is nothing concrete in his filter. In no way shape or form is he trying to interact with people to an extent he is putting random things in the thread not giving actual reads and not pushing any scum just wanting to afk his vote on a "policy lynch".

You are wrong if you think hes trying to solve the game in any shape or fashion and it is quite disturbing that you are trying to defend someone so strongly that has done these things.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 15:13 GMT
#366
On April 21 2015 00:06 Damdred wrote:
SHOW ME HOW HES REACHING ANY CONCLUSSIONS ABOUT THE GAME TRFEL DO IT RIGH TNOW DO IT

On April 20 2015 17:06 cakepie wrote:
OWS, If there’s one thing that really seems out of place to me, it would be BM’s mass claim proposal / “blue hunt” -- quite simply, it doesn’t add up. I’m well aware that he has a bit of a reputation, but the situation still reeks of exceedingly weird. Hypothesize he is scum motivated? I don’t think noob game means people are dumb enough to fall for the straight up blue hunt. Town motivated? I’m pretty sure he doesn’t get any passes for not knowing the setup, or trying for “60% if no counterclaim”. Some kind of test to gauge reactions? Not apparent that is the case either. Occam’s razor would prefer obvious scum here.

Onegu mentioned “too scummy to be scum, doesnt work” [as a defense] and my NMM33 experience would tend to agree that usually too obvious scum = scum. As things stand now, if deadline was in a couple of hours and we had to consolidate already, I’d probably vote BM. It’s not a new case by any means, but that’s the strongest read I have.
This is his one solid conclusion about the game. But Damdred, you are a good player. And you are well aware that "no conclusions about the game" (even if true) doesn't necessarily make someone scum. Look at TheBloodyDwarf, he has no conclusions about the game. Lots of newbies have no conclusion about the game, and cakepie hasn't been here for very long.

Why does it matter if cakepie has no solid conclusions at this time, when he is showing a clear thought process, and he just started actually playing the game?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 15:14 GMT
#367
On April 21 2015 00:09 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
am not defending cakepie. I am showing why I don't think that he is a good lynch today, compared to Bill Murray, and especially compared to Bourneq


why not remember your own posts then trfel
On April 20 2015 23:58 Trfel wrote:
I've talked to some good players about proper town play. The best time to defend people is when you have an alternative lynch which you think is much better. I have presented reasons to lynch Bourneq, and he is quite likely to be scum. This is the most confidence I have in a Day 1 scum lynch in quite some time.
From that very same post. What I meant to say was, "I am not defending cakepie for the purpose of defending cakepie". This is clearly implied (if not outright stated) by the last paragraph of the post, quoted above.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 20 2015 15:14 GMT
#368
Soooo you are proving my point? He isn't reaching any conclusions at all?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 15:16 GMT
#369
Damdred, you have not once addressed the reasons why I suspect Bourneq.

I would like you to do so at this time, please.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 20 2015 15:16 GMT
#370
Go on and call me scum trfel you keep hinting at it, obviously you think i'm scum. Then vote me you are policy lynching bor, for not so good reasons. So whatever.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 15:18 GMT
#371
On April 21 2015 00:16 Damdred wrote:
Go on and call me scum trfel you keep hinting at it, obviously you think i'm scum. Then vote me you are policy lynching bor, for not so good reasons. So whatever.
You are not the lynch for today. And I'm done arguing with you, because it's getting nowhere, as you aren't willing to listen.

I will discuss with other people one they enter the thread. I would still like an answer to my above question. Thank you.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 20 2015 15:20 GMT
#372
You started off this game deciding to target bour and I called your reasoning bad there and I'll keep calling it bad.

Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 15:22 GMT
#373
On April 21 2015 00:20 Damdred wrote:
You started off this game deciding to target bour and I called your reasoning bad there and I'll keep calling it bad.

Please comment on my argument instead of attacking me.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 20 2015 15:26 GMT
#374
I'm not attacking you at all he's null, your argument is just bad. I already commented on your early read which is based off a joke.

I don't see a new player being so carefree as scum in his first post and then trying to side up with bm who is another person of high interest. Especially as scum, you are try hard shrug just looks like he's being honest and you are blowing it out of proportion to fit a narrative you decided to build since game start
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 20 2015 15:26 GMT
#375
Like literally you decided b was scum since his first post. And that was who you were going to lynch it was bad then and its bad now
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 15:30 GMT
#376
On April 21 2015 00:26 Damdred wrote:
I'm not attacking you at all he's null, your argument is just bad. I already commented on your early read which is based off a joke.

I don't see a new player being so carefree as scum in his first post and then trying to side up with bm who is another person of high interest. Especially as scum, you are try hard shrug just looks like he's being honest and you are blowing it out of proportion to fit a narrative you decided to build since game start
What about the part where I said that his earlier posting actually looked a bit good for him? And I still think that it does, just his contradiction and explanation looks really bad. I did not decide to scumread Bourneq from the start of the game, The Shining already pointed out where I said that my first argument was flawed and that it didn't make Bourneq scum at all.

He only sided with Bill Murray after I accused him of sheeping the thread sentiment, and suggested that he could be scum with Bill Murray.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
April 20 2015 15:38 GMT
#377
Vote Count


TheBloodyDwarf (0): scott31337
scott31337 (1): Bill Murray, Bill Murray
Trfel (0): Bill Murray
cakepie (2): ObiWanShinobi, Damdred
Bill Murray (1): Onegu
Bourneq (1): Bill Murray, Trfel
plotspot (1): cakepie
Onegu (0): Bill Murray

Not voting (7): TheBloodyDwarf, scott31337, LightningStrike, LeiNadk, The Shining, Bourneq, plotspot

+ Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] +

VOTE: scott31337 voted TheBloodyDwarf (post)
VOTE: Bill Murray voted trfel (Trfel) (post)
VOTE: Onegu voted Bill Murray (post)
VOTE: scott31337 unvoted TheBloodyDwarf (post)
VOTE: Bill Murray unvoted Trfel (post)
VOTE: Bill Murray voted onegu (Onegu) (post)
VOTE: ObiWanShinobi voted cakepie (post)
VOTE: cakepie voted plotspot (post)
VOTE: Bill Murray unvoted Onegu (post)
VOTE: Bill Murray voted bourne (Bourneq) (post)
VOTE: Bill Murray unvoted Bourneq (post)
VOTE: Bill Murray voted Scott31337 (scott31337) (post)
WARNING: Bill Murray changed vote without unvote (post)
VOTE: Bill Murray unvoted scott31337 (post)
VOTE: Bill Murray voted scott331331313 (scott31337) (post)
VOTE: Damdred voted Cake (cakepie) (post)
VOTE: Trfel voted Bourneq (post)


Currently, cakepie is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 01:00 GMT (+00:00).

Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 20 2015 15:39 GMT
#378
That doesn't disprove what I say at all.

You scum read x for y reasons. Oh wait nvm guys he's not scum for y he's scum for z.

.....
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
April 20 2015 15:45 GMT
#379
Why are you guys so allergic to policy lynches?

Policy lynches are great.
Retired.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 15:48 GMT
#380
On April 21 2015 00:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Why are you guys so allergic to policy lynches?

Policy lynches are great.
Why would you prefer to policy lynch over lynching Bourneq?
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