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WaveofShadow
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SL never scumreads artanis at all so I think your whole second point kinda falls apart I dunno if I should feel bad because the case isn't awful but I just don't feel convinced I think all of SL's inconsistencies have been pointed out before but for some reason I don't find myself caring about them too much and clearly neither does anyone else I truly don't know why SL you should explain some of this stuff at some point | ||
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I could probably do so myself but I want to see something  | ||
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On April 20 2015 10:57 VayneAuthority wrote: alrighty so ill just be voting loafery then, cute walrus btw MAKE NOTE /afk vote already prepared. If we shenanny now I think I want it to be on VA. | ||
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On April 20 2015 11:09 VayneAuthority wrote: its plurality, i can do whatever i want with my vote I never suggested you couldn't, my dear. | ||
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On April 20 2015 11:09 GlowingBear wrote: I posted the quote he scumreads Artanis... He voted Artanis until the very last second... He assumed Artanis was killed by vigi because Artanis was scummy... I looked through his filter and you're right, but the post you quoted is not technically a scumread of him. Alright more to explain SL go ahead | ||
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On April 20 2015 11:12 VayneAuthority wrote: ok i just dont like you keeping me on the edge of a mislynch its sketchy. I dont think you actually fleshed out this game yet why im a scum read of yours so that would help Suggesting I could ever solve/flesh out a game entirely is just silly imo. You know me better than that. The point remains that you are still and always have been on the lower end of a lynch list of mine if it proves necessary; the fact that a bunch of people have tossed out loafery's name super early makes me wary of possible shenanigans onto him going badly so I'd rather not make the shenanigan possibility predictable, if that makes sense. It might not. | ||
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On April 20 2015 11:19 VayneAuthority wrote: well theres a reason GB and loafery name are both getting tossed around a lot, they are both likely mafia lol. thats just how this game works. and i think you misread my post, i was just wondering why you were scumreading me so i can see if you're just trying to use me as a mislynch. In mini games i am always a good target for that and i actually have a good track record of OMGUSing people in minis because it works. Yes but you'd agree you rarely ever get lynched at all for some reason. Your name gets tossed around but you have this unholy talent of looking incredibly scummy and not getting lynched and/or not doing a damn thing. Once upon a time I'd read you and feel confident in either leaving you alone or pushing you but in this game (especially after being wrong in Aperture 4) I am not confident of doing either so here we are. | ||
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Also, explain this. On April 17 2015 12:37 loafery wrote: The ones u think should be posting who arent are scum | ||
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Also what makes SL scum? | ||
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Reads to follow in a few hours when I get a chance but I think I'm going to shake things up if things go as expected. | ||
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Loafery Originally liked his posting at the start of D1. Going back and reading I have no idea fucking why. He actually had one decent post yesterday right here: On April 20 2015 14:33 loafery wrote: Its a win win situation for u hf if u lunch gb its a ml if u lynch koshi u get towncred for bussing. You can literally do whatever you want losing koshi wouldnt be a big deal cos he has been lackluster and the gain of towncred far outweighs the existanc of koshi right now. The fact that u say koshi is policy and u are fence hogging the idea of lynching himmakes it clear that if u had a choice u would rather lynch someone else which in this case is gb. Based on votes i would rather go for sl than gb and it makes the mind boggle. except if you consider that he has been tunneling HF literally the entire game and has done nothing else. He's been really cryptic in terms of how much he professes to know about the people in this game considering he's only played one other game on this site. Verdict: Could lycnh Koshi This fucking guy. Trying to leave meta completely aside, Koshi could absolutely be lynched in this game for doing absolutely nothing other than sheeping blindly, begging not to be lynched, and otherwise not helping town in any possible way. The main thing I've been trying to look at while rereading is motivation and what each player seems to be attempting to do while avoiding the ever-present meta analysis, and looking at Koshi through this lens makes him look absolutely fucking awful. If one adds meta, it makes him look a little bit towny because again, he looks somewhat jovial/dumb and town Koshi has an uncanny knack for pissing me the hell off. I don't know yet if I want to add that lens or not, however, and the fact that he is taunting people by saying shit like this On April 20 2015 08:12 Koshi wrote: I already told you I have no interest in investing my soul in this game. I am now hard to read. I will not use a towntell of mine. Like emotions or activity. only the other 3 which I forgot and probably also am not doing but that makes it more fun for you guys anyway. Gogo town! Really. It is on you to find out my alignment and then to be proud to be right. It's not on me to towntell. While at the same time begging not to be lynched and saying he is only being lynched for policy just further highlights his rampant refusal to help town win this game. It all boils down to this in my eyes: If you're not working with town in the game of mafia, you're working against them. Verdict: would lynch More to come. | ||
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This one was incredibly difficult. I looked back and my original reasons for suspecting him and my continued reasons to do so and actually realized they were a little bit faulty for the most part. There were a lot of specific EoD events to look at for each person as well and GB was no exception. The thing about GB's EoD was that he jumped on HF's LS case after not talking about LS at all, 'licking his boots,' while at the same time thrrowing around the idea of jumping off onto Loafery/Koshi and suggesting to HF that he would lynch any of those/whoever HF wants to lynch. Now on its own that doesn't look amazing because he truly appears as though he is attempting to absolve himself of responsibility for the mislynch. This is further proven by GB's posts such as this one On April 18 2015 08:36 GlowingBear wrote: Then you're confirmed Mafia because it will be the second townie you will push Or are you mad because when I decide to sheep you, you screw up? where he blames the lynch on HF (even though I do myself) right after professing how much of a god HF was for all of it. Not great. The thing is though, on further analysis there are two things scum is trying to do here: get a mislynch, and not look like shit. GB on the surface seems like might be concerned with those things but then looking at the targets he pushes, why would he be attempting to try and push/suggest people move OFF of LightningStrike, and easy town lynch? Not a great scumplay since it contradicts the first goal and doesn't do an amazing job of the second either. Of course if all three targets suggested are town its one thing but I just don't see scum pulling that. Way too easy to get caught for it. Of course time will tell base don flips but this, and GB's play in D2 clears him a little bit. The GB vs SL war looks suspiciously like town vs town, especially when you consider that NOBODY ELSE CARED. His posting against SL was pretty well thought out and his points solid, even if I may not necessarily agree with some of them. Verdict: would not lynch | ||
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Monster townread on him for his D1 play, mostly because I shared his views completely around the LS lynch, and agreed with his posting on HF. Biggest problems I have with him currently are not doing shit all until now D2 (yes apparently he has been busy but even when he was around didn't seem to contribute a great deal) and the parking of his vote on Palmar at EoD. The vote on Palmar in and of itself isn't particularly awful because I can 100% see Vivax believing everything he wrote about Palmar. Specifically Palmar. The problem was the fact that he pushes Koshi for most of the end of the day, randomly wants to shenanny onto Palmar and then disappears. I see both town and scum Vivax motivations for this unfortunately so it's really hard to pinpoint which is more likely based on that. Later on during N1 he reaches the conclusion about GB I am only reaching now so points to him probably for that, and calls HF/Koshi scummy/bussing which also is a pretty decent post. His attack on HF currently isn't something I mind to be honest, but I'm not 100% sure I agree with his conclusions. Yet. In summary, more of what Vivax has done has come from a pretty cleanly town place then a murky scum one and has been pretty transparent with his pushing and not altogether tunnelly. Verdict: would not lynch | ||
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On April 21 2015 02:24 Holyflare wrote: To elaborate, Vivax's is mafia because when he accuses me of being scummy and discrediting people who don't vote for me he quotes post that aren't scummy in the slightest and don't needlessly discredit, they quite blatently point out scummy actions. This could just be awful vivax. However, vivax then says that I'm only pushing easy mislynches, such as LS and Koshi. He then tries to make my play fit a scummy narrative. He said I only lynched LS based on meta, which really isn't very true at all AND YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS BECAUSE YOU 10/10'D MY CASE YOU SCUMMY FUCK. Then he says i'm pushing an easy mislynch in koshi WHO HE IS FUCKING VOTING. If my pushes are only on scummy lurkers and he is doing the same thing but 10x worse then why does that make me mafia if he is town? Surely I should be capable of doing the same thing as him? Regardless, none of my play is focused on pushing scummy lurkers. I made cases on people I want to lynch. I made a case on LS, I made a case on you GB, I wanted to policy Koshi because I wasn't sure what alignment he was and was being a douche. None of this makes me mafia, it in fact shows i'm exploring possibilities and making cases which makes me town. Vivax doesn't comment on any of these cases he just afk's (he has 0 pages made since d1) and returns to vote for the person he said I was pushing as a free lurker mislynch (koshi). He asks questions that aren't relevant in crunch time, such as him asking "why did you change your posting style this game" instead of replying to the case about LS at all during the eod. Today he has only asked me questions that I actually answered just 1 page before he asked the question. Twice. His read on LS was "because he was honest" and then just afk'd and let the lynch happen without giving any shits while he just voted palmar (who is a scummy free lurker mislynch lolollol hypocrite). Basically vivax is writing me into a mafia narrative that he is exceptionally guilty of and ignores everything I write and just calls me mafia while he afk's and you follow him. Before I get to you HF, let me be very clear. Most of your case on LS was absolutely meta and I'[ve showed that before. Let's disregard the massive meta post part 2 entirely and go for the first one: On April 18 2015 05:40 Holyflare wrote: LightningStrike ^ Read his filter First and foremost the entirety of his first page contains not only basic one liners, which is pretty uncharacteristic for LightningStrike, but also a distinct lack of meta (why would he be trying to change this I do not know but regardless of what he's trying to change his filter is contentless). It is defensive over the cards against humanity/teamspeak thing which fair enough might be the same of any alignment but then it contains attempts to try and scum hunt which just don't look like any kind of town scum hunting that I can think of, examples being: + Show Spoiler [ scummy gb pushing] + On April 17 2015 03:50 LightningStrike wrote: Did GlowingBear claimed Mafia with Artanis? On April 17 2015 04:35 LightningStrike wrote: There is no masons in this game therefore you must be Mafia for having a qt with him! ##Vote: GlowingBear On April 17 2015 05:10 LightningStrike wrote: lies. You and Artanis Mafia now who is your unnamed partner? After the last quote GB is clearly joking and makes it clear with the following quote below, however, in an attempt to actually try and continue his "fitting in" he continues to push this point AS SCUMMY. + Show Spoiler [continuing to push this non-point] + On April 17 2015 05:38 LightningStrike wrote: Not me I not Mafia and you know that. On April 17 2015 09:18 LightningStrike wrote: Ya because GB claimed to have a QT with Artanis and there is no masons in this game therefore they both scum together :O On April 17 2015 09:55 LightningStrike wrote: You're mafia. Otherwise I would just policy lynch sicklucker Day 3 out  Then SL tells ls that GB was joking and ls says "oh I can't read sarcasm" which was the most disingenuous (maybe second most to wave pushing this gb qt shit) in the game. Following up from these quotes of silly trying to fit in the other classic scum tell is his defense of all these players that constantly keeps happening (just saw he posted a list with lots of town reads somehow too): + Show Spoiler [sl defence] + On April 17 2015 10:55 LightningStrike wrote: Sicklucker can do your 2nd point regarding the "leave it to me I got all figured out" as both alignments. Point #1 was regarding Student VI when both Artanis and Sicklucker rolled scum together and Artanis gave up Day 2 idk how it seems forced? 3rd point yeah it might be unreasonable ranting but I kinda hate how slow the game is. I think it's easier to read sicklucker as either alignment around Day 2 to Day 3 area when it becomes painfully obvious when he's scum. + Show Spoiler [scummy palmar defense] + On April 17 2015 11:51 LightningStrike wrote: Oats it's the weekend he can't be assed to play on the weekend normally :O On April 17 2015 12:06 LightningStrike wrote: He prob forgot this game was going on lol. Also I <3 Palmar. On April 17 2015 23:22 LightningStrike wrote: Well Palmar is unCCed blue so he's town for that. saying un cc'd blue is equally silly especially as people outline why not to trust it and he says he wants to use meta only when "100% right" but uses it all the time to defend all of these people Now obviously here there is content aside from meta, which is fine, but don't delude yourself. Your case was not amazing, it was not super solid, and most importantly, it WAS heavily based on meta---and I argue the fact that made people want to vote LS in the first place (which you've agreed even convinced yourself) was the meta portion. Now I will continue. | ||
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I mean...probably lynch this guy. The sad part is he has actually done more than Koshi in this game with a smaller filter since he has actually provided reads (though mediocre). Again trying to ignore meta here so based on his play alone in this game he has proven to be completely disinterested and unhelpful, but again not as much as Koshi so while I'd lynch him, he actually probably ends up lower priority. Verdict: probably lynch Sicklucker Ugh. He just looks so ass, but there are so many things in his filter that make more sense from a sicklucker town point of view. The main thing I currently have a problem with is the pushing of the vig angle. I actually have decent answers for GB's accusations against him even though he doesn't address them particularly well himself and whether or not he articulates himself well, they make sense to me. For example this section of GB's case is probbaly what GB himself describes as the most egregious infraction: 4) Throws suspicions based on an affirmative even he denied + Show Spoiler + On April 18 2015 07:42 sicklucker wrote: Like palmers not the jailkeeper thats not something you claim on day 1 ever. Its just a joke from an on going game DISSONANCE BARRIER On April 18 2015 08:26 sicklucker wrote: vivax you could have voted before me and had your choice of ls/hf lynch. You could also have voted artanis. Instead you went for a lynch on a possible power role that was never gonna happen "You're suspicious for voting on a possible blue role which I said with certainty that he wasn't a blue role" The thing I see here is not dissonance at all though, he's simply framing it from an outside point of view in the final sentence. I see nothing in his thoughts that suggest a disconnect from that the entire game, which honestly worries me just a little bit more. I'm going to come right out and say this because I truly don't think it makes a difference in this game at all. SL himself could very well be the vig and thus actually knows what's going on, or he could also be scum, and knows exactly what's going on. The fact that he is consistently pushing a view that nobody else in this game shares suggest extraneous knowledge, or of course, just weird/bad/terrible/etc play from town but I think the former might make more sense here, and I'm not sure I see it as scumplay, especially when considering that SL has been very active and engaging throughout the game. The GB vs. SL fight struck me at one point as very town vs town which I mentioned earlier. I'd keep an eye on him here because I think ultimately he probably comes off looking a little worse than GB but still probably town. Verdict: would not lynch | ||
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On April 21 2015 02:38 Holyflare wrote: i actually forgot oats was in the game lol YUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP | ||
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The fact that in just 2 minutes of conversation with him I was able to make him all but forget about all of his reads/change his mind truly does not suggest mafia despite his below-par play. Pretty easy townread here imo. Verdict: do not lynch Oats Comes in to thread every so often, snipes at people and disappears. Does not actually appear to have any stake in this game at all, no proper reads, no proper motivation. I'm unsure where he could even be townread at all to be honest (though I'm not considering meta here, and have no desire to). Verdict: would lynch | ||
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On April 21 2015 02:50 Holyflare wrote: "SL is town because he looks like he's playing with too much info about nk's so i'm going to assume he has too much info but that makes him.. town"???? Considering all of the rest of SL's play and his general oddness, I find it more likely that he is town than scum very obviously pushing his TMI into the thread. He's not off the table completely but I wouldn't lynch him today. | ||
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