EPT25 players so small T__T
Aperture Mafia 4: This Time it's Personal
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
25 players so small T__T | ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
| ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
| ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
So I've been skimming the thread each day. I was going to take notes until I saw that PMs are allowed at night, at that point I figured there's no point in trying to keep up from outside. Anyway, it would be really helpful to me if people could say what exo has claimed to them about his role. This can wait until the night phase if it's information that hasn't been given out to the thread. This role has some pretty interesting mechanics that AFAIK haven't been claimed yet in the thread, although I could have missed something. I feel terrible for Exo for going through what he is right now and wish him the best, but unless he worked with people in pms to find some kind of plan, I really really don't understand why he did what he did with his role. | ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
I think I hear my advisor coming but I'll try and post a few initial reads soon. | ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
Remember that for all of these reads, I don't have the benefit of PMs so there's a lot of information I'm lacking. So I think that Kita is mafia. The things he's pushing in thread and the kind of posts he's making are exactly the kind of things I remember him doing as mafia. - Being really active. Straight up activity has won Kita at least one game as mafia that I've been in where he was actually more active in thread than any townie; I distinctly remember the sentiment "kita can't be mafia, if he is we might as well give up because he's the only one being active." He's the kind of player who is confident enough in not getting caught out as mafia that he can put in a lot of effort and not just make a lot of posts but actually maintain thread presence. - Being really active without actually accomplishing anything. Think about it - who has he pushed this game? What has he really gotten done in terms of scumhunting? No one and nothing. And yet he's got a ten page filter, and has some of the longest posts (at least that I remember seeing when I was skimming the thread). - Making the kind of posts that demonstrate effort without actually accomplishing objectives. List posts. list posts and more list posts. But in none of those list posts does he really present and push a preferred lynch target. Also the big early BH read post. So much effort, so little conclusion. Same for the VE read post, really. - Declining activity as the game goes on and his position is more and more secure. Admittedly this one is based on my impressions, but there's a pretty clear scum motive to this trend. This isn't how Kita plays as town. I mean, unless things have changed since I was here, but I remember Kita being someone who would make plans and push things - not necessarily cases but either cases or plans or coordination. Right now I can't say Kita is pushing anything except his own activity. ##vote: Kita | ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On April 04 2015 03:03 kitaman27 wrote: Hi S&B! I'm still not real clear how item transfer abilities work, but how would damdred give JAT the lurker item if it would have been bussed to koshi by hapa? The fact that nobody has claimed the creation of it does make it sketchy though. Hi Kita! | ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
| ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
| ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On April 04 2015 03:23 justanothertownie wrote: Because scum has a huge lead thanks to a fucking idiot whos name I won't tell and because they take out towns leader in the process they don't have to care that much. That does not mean that we should not lynch the only 100 % scum we have. Like you people can discuss other targets and do analysis about them as much as you would like but in the end we are lynching damdred today. Here's how I'm thinking about this - we already have a game with a somewhat gimped lynch (majority lynch) with at least one ability to cancel a lynch (controlled by town but still) and potentially more. In the last couple of Greymist games the lynch was also pretty underwhelming, and town powers were supposed to make up for that. It's definitely not out of the question that damdred could have some anti-lynch power - one-shot lynchproof, suicide bomb/vengeful, vote redirector. It's also not out of the question that he's just claiming scum. The thing is, we can't just let him live. So unless we have some really reliable way of either killing or investigating him tonight, we kind of have to lynch him anyway and just grit our teeth. | ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
| ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On April 04 2015 03:33 yamato77 wrote: if your objection was that JAT would die, he won't literally the same minute | ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
| ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
| ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
| ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
and after kita On April 04 2015 03:16 strongandbig wrote: OK so false alarm. Anyway, here's my first read - this is something I've been thinking for several days now. Remember that for all of these reads, I don't have the benefit of PMs so there's a lot of information I'm lacking. So I think that Kita is mafia. The things he's pushing in thread and the kind of posts he's making are exactly the kind of things I remember him doing as mafia. - Being really active. Straight up activity has won Kita at least one game as mafia that I've been in where he was actually more active in thread than any townie; I distinctly remember the sentiment "kita can't be mafia, if he is we might as well give up because he's the only one being active." He's the kind of player who is confident enough in not getting caught out as mafia that he can put in a lot of effort and not just make a lot of posts but actually maintain thread presence. - Being really active without actually accomplishing anything. Think about it - who has he pushed this game? What has he really gotten done in terms of scumhunting? No one and nothing. And yet he's got a ten page filter, and has some of the longest posts (at least that I remember seeing when I was skimming the thread). - Making the kind of posts that demonstrate effort without actually accomplishing objectives. List posts. list posts and more list posts. But in none of those list posts does he really present and push a preferred lynch target. Also the big early BH read post. So much effort, so little conclusion. Same for the VE read post, really. - Declining activity as the game goes on and his position is more and more secure. Admittedly this one is based on my impressions, but there's a pretty clear scum motive to this trend. This isn't how Kita plays as town. I mean, unless things have changed since I was here, but I remember Kita being someone who would make plans and push things - not necessarily cases but either cases or plans or coordination. Right now I can't say Kita is pushing anything except his own activity. | ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
Crossfire actually sent them to me already, before anyone knew that this is okay. This actually makes me more suspicious towards him, rather than less, but I would rather kill Kita first anyway | ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
| ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On April 04 2015 04:06 Crossfire99 wrote: Lol, I asked GreY once I saw you replaced in. Since I pmed Exo, I thought it would be nice if the replacement was able to actually play the game with the knowledge the previous player had. Sorry for being helpful... I appreciate it - it was just weird that you sent it to me but didn't mention anything in the thread about having asked if it was okay, made me think of a different place than PMs where people ask hosts questions sometimes. I don't think it's a big deal. | ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On April 04 2015 04:17 Blazinghand wrote: oh, some context. I as lestrade the role-category-cop i also recieve the results, but not the target, of two other cops. one of them was marv the alignment cop, who was shot N1 but checked someone and got GUILTY. he crumbed no checks but had VA as a scumread. I'm pretty sure he checked VA. i get it if you don't want to lynch VA today, during our first lynch, but i have zero comprehension of why people actually think VA is TOWN. no i read all that when it happened, I have been sort of following the game it's just you, like, refuse to acknowledge the evidence people have presented as to why the check may not have been on (probably wasn't on) VA - marv specifically saying in his how-to-cop not to check the first suspect I don't have any particular reason to think VA is town but I'm inclined to discount the red check for a few reasons: 1. I don't 100% trust you in the first place 2. Especially since you really haven't talked about anything but this check 3. Especially since AFAIK you've never engaged the counterargument to this check 4. Especially since your intentional baiting of Koshi is specifically in line with your scum philosophy 5. Especially since you did the same thing to like rayn I think in a game where you and I were scum together 6. Basically I think you're scum too but I am less sure about you than Kita because of the missing-moriarty question 7. Also sometimes you just play shitty so this could be one of those times. 8. But since I think you're play is pretty fucking scummy and you haven't engaged with the counterarguments to the only thing you've been saying, I'm not going along with that thing. | ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
| ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On April 04 2015 04:27 Blazinghand wrote: ok but assuming I AM telling the truth, it's probably like 80%+ that marv checked VA right? well no i mean you're ignoring again the thing where marv said as cop not to check the person you are most publicly suspicious of and i just posted that exact argument and the fact that you're ignoring it so lol | ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On April 04 2015 04:29 kitaman27 wrote: All I ask is that you don't base your entire outlook on this game on the assumption that I'm mafia because I am not. idk man ive been burned before by you playing with exactly this playstyle like, think of it this way - if you are town, then that means some other vet is scum, and has been out accomplishing things while you haven't been, so if we lose it's really more on you than on me | ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On April 04 2015 04:30 Blazinghand wrote: OK I have a plan to convince you, i'll use it tomorrow, for now let's talk about keirathi how about we talk about kita | ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On April 04 2015 03:16 strongandbig wrote: OK so false alarm. Anyway, here's my first read - this is something I've been thinking for several days now. Remember that for all of these reads, I don't have the benefit of PMs so there's a lot of information I'm lacking. So I think that Kita is mafia. The things he's pushing in thread and the kind of posts he's making are exactly the kind of things I remember him doing as mafia. - Being really active. Straight up activity has won Kita at least one game as mafia that I've been in where he was actually more active in thread than any townie; I distinctly remember the sentiment "kita can't be mafia, if he is we might as well give up because he's the only one being active." He's the kind of player who is confident enough in not getting caught out as mafia that he can put in a lot of effort and not just make a lot of posts but actually maintain thread presence. - Being really active without actually accomplishing anything. Think about it - who has he pushed this game? What has he really gotten done in terms of scumhunting? No one and nothing. And yet he's got a ten page filter, and has some of the longest posts (at least that I remember seeing when I was skimming the thread). - Making the kind of posts that demonstrate effort without actually accomplishing objectives. List posts. list posts and more list posts. But in none of those list posts does he really present and push a preferred lynch target. Also the big early BH read post. So much effort, so little conclusion. Same for the VE read post, really. - Declining activity as the game goes on and his position is more and more secure. Admittedly this one is based on my impressions, but there's a pretty clear scum motive to this trend. This isn't how Kita plays as town. I mean, unless things have changed since I was here, but I remember Kita being someone who would make plans and push things - not necessarily cases but either cases or plans or coordination. Right now I can't say Kita is pushing anything except his own activity. | ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On April 04 2015 06:25 kitaman27 wrote: If I lose two large games in a row where town only has a single mislynch to win then I'd probably be pretty speechless -_- This would be more like three mislynches though right? I feel like in the scenario where he's some kind of third party who wants to get lynched, it counts as a mislynch to lynch him | ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
Anyway I'm with my gf so I will probably not be cry active until tomorrow, but I should get plenty in before deadline. | ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
If anyone has reasons not to do either of those and those reasons are based on previous pm interactions or other non public information it would help me not tunnel if you could pm me them | ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On April 05 2015 01:16 justanothertownie wrote: No. At least I see no benefit in him keeping it to himself. He should claim to me in pms asap since I am confirmed town. Neat. Any more gut reads? If Kita is scum then damdred "different checked" him and rsoultin and then they killed rsoultin in the night. Damdred also claimed to have watched slam and seen Kita there making him likely Moriarty. Does not seem like very reasonable scum play to me. So if damdred was actually faking a red check on Kita then either it's super next level or it's solid evidence that Kita and damdred aren't on the same team. That doesn't mean Kita is pro town and I maintain that this is Kita's anti-town play. We haven't hit any anti-town 3p so far and they definitely exist, plus don't forget aperture one was a multifaction game. That said, this is enough for me to start considering other options for the next lynch. | ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
I also sent some thoughts about some players to him but I see no reason not to share those in thread: - batsnacks I haven't really read as trying to be helpful or reasonable in the thread; scummy but I would have to thread dive him before committing to a lynch - while batsnacks has kind of jumped out as being antitown I have no impression of sepulchre, that probably reflects badly on both him and me. - VE looks shitty but sometimes he just plays shitty. I just skimmed his filter, I actually kind of like his reasoning on crossfire (that he put more effort into looking good re-entering the thread than he did into actually making use of his "gambit") but other than that there's a lot of stuff I don't like - especially that he's jumping from tunnel to tunnel without really caring what happened to the previous tunnel. Actually, I really don't like his filter - if you're town he's probably scum. Even if you're scum, he isn't playing like town but sometimes he just does that and I don't really know how to evaluate it. (I know there's no evidence that hosts actually balance vets but I still believe they do). - I haven't seen anything that makes me think yamato isn't town - VA - I haven't really seen anything super convincing. I mean, he was marv's main scum read so we should probably lynch him just for that. This BH thing could be a double bus, I guess. - xfire - idk there, like I think it was weird that he sent me his pms without anyone asking greymist and without letting anyone know he asked greymist, it made me think maybe he was in a scum QT with greymist; but I also think it was probably towny of him to take the initiative there and send them to me. He hasn't been very effective but I'm not sure if I should expect him to be, and he's linked in some way to the sherlock circle thing. I guess I wouldn't want to kill him but if someone made a case I would be open to it. | ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
I can read her filter but it's hard because I've never played with her before. After a quick scan of her filter, it looks like her posts are more reasoned/thoughtful than others I could name, nothing super jumps out at me but I haven't done a super deep read or anything. Is there a case I should be considering? I've read some people say they have meta reasons, like she's less active or invested or whatever than in town games, but obviously I can't evaluate that since she joined after I went on hiatus. | ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
| ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
| ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
| ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
| ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
| ||
|
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
Yes, I pushed town Kita pretty hard, but I don't think my reasoning there was terrible, and I did see my way past that (mostly due to Kita pm'ing me a very detailed and reasonable explanation for everything), and I refocused onto the actually-scum bh. I vote me for Most Valuable Replacement of this game. | ||
| ||
