Aperture Mafia 4: This Time it's Personal

On March 23 2015 06:24 Eden1892 wrote:

it's not quite as rough for scum since they're only @night and via tl.net pm lol

On March 23 2015 08:23 Blazinghand wrote:
/in

On March 25 2015 08:25 Keirathi wrote:
I just hope I don't get a role that's guaranteed to be dead by day 3 again

On March 25 2015 23:39 Half the Sky wrote:


This is a good thing in an Aperture game, right?

On March 28 2015 08:43 Holyflare wrote:
Um yeh fuck that I'm just going to find mafia

On March 28 2015 09:46 ExO_ wrote:


Keirathi I feel like your interests align with those of the Justice Bloc. What do you say to an alliance, and unification of our campaigns? You can have warrior I'll get rogue!

On March 28 2015 09:44 ritoky wrote:


Isn't there the loophole where every mafia votes for him and he is forced to lynch town? That doesn't seem like a winning strategy.

On March 28 2015 09:58 ExO_ wrote:


I want to be warrior. However as a member of the Justice Bloc I feel that sometimes you lead by leading, and other times you lead by following. By setting the example of working with others I hope to show that we can work together as town. Hopefully more people will join me in this Justice Bloc!

On March 28 2015 10:33 LightningStrike wrote:
rsoultin I finding your entrance quite lackluster compared to XXX and other games you rolled town.

On March 28 2015 10:41 LightningStrike wrote:

Mainly about the Rogue because the problem with Rouge is that anyone can No Lynch I mean unless we get Confirmed Town in the 2nd Slot scum will go for a no lynch easily. We need confirmed town on the 2nd highest votes.

On March 28 2015 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm basically just waiting to hear BH's rng target.

On March 28 2015 11:45 sicklucker wrote:
rsoultin pretty annoying alrdy. likely town

On March 28 2015 12:42 yamato77 wrote:

This isn't a bad point, your claim litreally is the worst thing in the thread. It is weird that JAT didn't say anything.

You're still getting lynched tho.

On March 28 2015 12:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I want to know why Jat and Koshi jumped on the rsoultin reasoning.

On March 28 2015 13:07 sicklucker wrote:


Acualy I have yet to make any serious fake claims as mafia.

On March 28 2015 13:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


And what would you expect someone to talk about instead?

Anything on the developments of LS' read?

On March 28 2015 13:09 sicklucker wrote:


So you said its non alignment indignitive when evidence say it is.

On March 28 2015 13:58 sicklucker wrote:
Well your wrong. But my early read on you is a jat trying to not piss me off is much more likely to be mafia

On March 28 2015 15:22 sicklucker wrote:


No people try to be nicer to people when they are mafia. Thats my read real life or not

On March 28 2015 22:10 ExO_ wrote:
Everybody else? Almost nothing. If you held a gun to my head and told me to pick scum I'd probably say JAT right now. He's answering questions and responding which I like, but he's not really adding information. He's not offering anything just reacting to what's there. It's the kinda thing that I think looks decent but isn't really helping town at all.

On March 28 2015 23:47 Koshi wrote:

I won't be productive this game.


salt pics? I did not.

On March 28 2015 23:49 Koshi wrote:

No overreaction and drama needed.

I made a post about voting people who say smart things. I refresh and see LS his comment and thought: "how that sounds smart" so I voted him.

On March 28 2015 23:50 Sepulchre wrote:

Well my strongest* townread would be ExO, so I'd want him on Cleric. I don't really have a strong preference for the Warrior specifically, Keirathi seems innocent enough for now and ExO also trusts him so I guess that's good enough right now.

I don't really have strong mafia reads on anybody yet, gun to my head I would go with Hapahauli but see the *.


*"strongest" does not mean much, it's just a couple of hours into the game and nobody really did anything super townie yet. Nothing super scummy either, not a whole lot of alignment indicative things in general. Doesn't help that most people just play by meta which doesn't really do a whole lot for me.

On March 28 2015 23:51 Koshi wrote:

I have come to terms to get lynched in future games. It needs to happen and I need to redeem myself for past sins this way.

On March 28 2015 23:55 Koshi wrote:

I thought it sounded legit coming from The Meta Master himself.

Playing doto.

On March 28 2015 23:59 kitaman27 wrote:
Hapa seems kinda sketchy to me so far. In the shadow game, he preached about the importance of moving forward town conversation and asked a bunch of questions in his early posts to reach that goal. It's still early, but this game he just has a couple bh policy lynch posts.

On March 29 2015 00:01 Koshi wrote:
JAT is on ignore list for continuing to talk about something my entire defense is for in the thread.

On March 29 2015 00:04 Koshi wrote:
w.e I am ok with getting lynched. afk till after deadline. Have fun.

On March 29 2015 00:10 Sepulchre wrote:

Well I do understand it now, however that doesn't change the fact that we don't need to waste our vote on a probable modkill.

From what I'm gathering his actions also don't really have anything to do with his alignment (considering people saw this coming beforehand), so I think we could probably do better.

On March 29 2015 00:14 Sepulchre wrote:

Because Blazinghand/Onegu motioned to policy lynch him before his latest bunch of posts that made everybody (me admittedly included) want to get rid of him.

On March 29 2015 00:22 Sepulchre wrote:

Well that is possible, but neither of them said that. IIRC the only reasoning before was Onegu saying that Koshi "ruins themed games" or something along those lines, so I assumed Koshi's recent behavior was him showing that. Could very well be the two meant what you are saying instead.

As I have worded in my original post it's just what I gathered from their implications, I don't really have the time (or, I admit, motivation) to check for myself.

Either way, the far more important point I made was the first one - Wasting a lynch on a potential modkill (or if need be there surely is going to be some form of town KP) seems to not be the most optimal course of action.

On March 29 2015 00:23 Holyflare wrote:
You felt stiff as fuck which was essentially ls' meta read on you so it's not different at all

On March 29 2015 00:28 Sepulchre wrote:
He hasn't voted and is apparantly going to be gone until after the deadline, so yeah I would say that makes a modkill.

If mods are treating alignments unfairly and not modkilling mafia like justanothertownie suggests, then we get a free alignment check. Not bad either.

On March 29 2015 00:41 Sepulchre wrote:

Hm, I see.

Well, I can't argue this, I just don't see what he would gain from playing like that. One more cycle of being alive wouldn't get him that much I can't imagine. Then again, his play makes really no sense from any perspective so maybe I should just stop overthinking it.

On March 29 2015 00:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hi guise

On March 29 2015 00:54 Koshi wrote:
If I get anything I will get lynched.

On March 29 2015 00:56 Holyflare wrote:


i don't lynch ve's!

On March 29 2015 00:58 Holyflare wrote:
nah really i'm prime mafia shot target so you don't have to vote me

On March 29 2015 01:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
There are BONUS powers associated with the adventuring party outside deciding the lynch.

Just sayin. The Warrior might be some kind of protection. :O

On March 29 2015 01:05 Damdred wrote:
Hello my friends I am finally here and the time to rejoice is near. Sadly my late entrance has led me to believe that I should not try to garner votes because I think a good plan is in place and HF is looking at some good things currently and hes currently in the lead for my vote (I love you hf)

As such, besides HF I have a few good town reads currently that are somewhat for bad reasons. But i'm here now, so any questions shoot them my way if you want anything directive.

@LS Do you think Rsoultin is scum in this situation? I think I have a good read on you and i'm checking rsoultin out currently what do you think overall? Any other good reads?

On March 29 2015 01:17 Onegu wrote:
Slam is town btw

On March 29 2015 01:22 WaveofShadow wrote:

Don't act like you know me ma fakka

On March 29 2015 01:22 Damdred wrote:


I like Exo, LS, HF and you JAT right now without looking at filters.

I liked the way HF is going in the thread, I liked the way he handled the Ls and RS thing. And just recently him saying its boring reminded me of town HF. Also when he was talking with Oneg about mechanics and HF wanted us to ignore them and just focus on finding scum that to me seemed like a good way to approach this.

On March 29 2015 01:26 WaveofShadow wrote:
I want to link die antwoord right now cause what i said made me think of it but I can't cause phone

Jat who is scum

On March 29 2015 01:35 WaveofShadow wrote:

Koshi?
Meh.

I mean I guess if he forces us to but I don't really feel like risking losing a game (or at least ending up behind) if he is telling the truth about martyrdom for past behaviours or some shit. Also makes the lynch and deadline really unexciting and information-free.

On March 29 2015 01:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
But now that I think of it, you think he's scum for playing the way he has for sure?

I mean if you do you're going solely based on meta I assume.

On March 29 2015 01:43 Koshi wrote:
If anywhere in the game LS turns out to be scum. Look at the ^people who jumped on me for liking what he said.

On March 29 2015 01:45 Koshi wrote:

Ok. Hard not to flame when people say the bolded.
Fact is I am town. So why is it ridiculous bullshit?


Explain why it is ridiculous bullshit when you assume I am town.

I explained myself:
"Koshi thought it made sense and right before LS said it Koshi wanted to vote somebody who made sense."

So it was a sign of God I should vote LS.

On March 29 2015 01:45 Chezitwo wrote:

I don't think this is really a very fair interpretation. It didn't seem a particularly bad observation from LS about rsoultin not being as jokey as normal, and I noticed HF had rsoultin on the mafia side too at first.

Really the horrible part of it if it exists is the fact Koshi didn't read rsoultin's posts in question, but it doesn't seem a particularly scummy thing to openly admit that.

On March 29 2015 01:49 Chezitwo wrote:
It's the second half of the sentence that's the clincher, though.

On March 29 2015 01:57 Koshi wrote:

Now JAT wants to lynch me because I said something that indicates I wasn't tryharding WHILE NOTHING IN THIS THREAD points towards me tryharding.


I would be mafia if I was tryharding and then did something extremely lazy. But I wasn't tryharding so there is no reason to assume I am not town being lazy.


But w.e.

I think this is my final defense about this matter. If you continue to think I am amifa for it you are vvery bad. I did nothing "mafialike". I did something "wrong" and you think it is mafia while it isn't. It was just minorly lazy in a game I clearly was being lazy in. It is fucking nothing.

On March 29 2015 02:03 Holyflare wrote:
it's not really atonement for past sins if your past sins were being shit and the way you atone is by being even more shit is it?

On March 29 2015 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
HF play SG with me later. Otherwise I'll end up playing Hots or some shit.

Also somebody talk with me a little about something

On March 29 2015 02:08 Holyflare wrote:
oh i got a hots us key now so i can play that too? you should come on voice mafia later wave then i'll play sg after that i guess

would you support a lynch on hapa wave?

alsooooooo does kita feel off to you? he feels off to me, pretty disengaged with what he's pushing (the post on me and ignored my follow up) and pushed obvious hapa thing that was already mentioned to death

On March 29 2015 02:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can't do more than just exist while at work really. I just feel like socializing.

Let's see
Wouldn't lynch Hapa cause he just hasn't done enough to call him out I mean maybe that's on purpose because he knows he's easy to read when he does post?
Kita I can never read.

Bats what did you say?

And yeah if you're on later I'll play Hots SG or voice whatever. Last night when I got back everyone was playing resistance which I don't like much

On March 29 2015 02:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yamato koshi has been beaten to death but I wouldn't mind knowing youp thoughts and leaving it at that

On March 29 2015 02:15 Koshi wrote:
I didn't push anything. I voted LS you fuckers.

On March 29 2015 02:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
I meant the topic of koshi

And yeah
Jat you're really all about just lynching the people who aren't doing shit today huh?

On March 29 2015 02:22 Koshi wrote:
No JAT is about being a giant asshole and not trying to find mafia using any form of logic. Nothing he accuses people of his mafia, it is just stuff.

On March 29 2015 02:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
I hope we're not playing the 'let's make koshi go on tilt' Game because we know how that ends

On March 29 2015 02:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
hello, ill be running for rogue so I can pardon the inevitable koshi lynch.

On March 29 2015 02:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Haha I missed that post.
I'm sorta tempted.
Oh also I know onegu wants it but can I be Cleric plz?

On March 29 2015 02:34 Holyflare wrote:


OK so i watched this video. We need to talk to koshi like a human being and show some empathy and validate his emotions. We need to offer him the chance to play the game again.

Koshi. Be a bro man.

On March 29 2015 03:04 Keirathi wrote:
He has an entire filter of townie posts. Even if you want to think that one post was weird it doesn't override the fact that he's one of the towniest motherfuckers in this game.

On March 29 2015 03:26 Onegu wrote:
Lol jat I'm more obv town than you atm.

On March 29 2015 03:34 Onegu wrote:



Btw I really don't like this post feels like he knows I'm town. Like if I was scum I would want a josh I who I know can't read me for shit in this game. This stinks of TMI to me

On March 29 2015 03:41 Damdred wrote:
Do you think that LS is town currently I know you have a good read on him usually? And I know hes calling you scum what do you think of him? Also could you talk a bit more about bats and tell me what you specifically like about him?

On March 29 2015 04:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
I'm not sure how you can even begin to read anything into that opening post. its just one of those typical posts nobody gives a shit about but people think mafia is their blog or something. Idk how you can dislike it on a mafia level though.

On March 29 2015 04:37 VayneAuthority wrote:
completely neutral and a good post to ignore unless she actually doesnt come back and post anything as from what ive seen her town and mafia play are like night and day..

On March 29 2015 04:56 Half the Sky wrote:
I've scanned/read up to page 30 and my general thoughts so far:

Votes for the party: Any of ExO, Keirathi, HF or Kitaman would do.

Keirarthi seems pretty straightforward, and I like ExO's general approach/tone to his game. Kitaman seems to have the same approach (picking out scummy points as he can) as he has had in his town games in Carol and JOAT, and I am quite comfortable with him, even if he doesn't post that much. I'm also fine with HF's train of thought, and tone-wise he appears to be speaking naturally.

Willing to lynch (so far): Hapa and Koshi.

Now I've not played with Hapa before, but I get the impression (and call me out if I'm wrong) that as a vet and as a reputable player, he should be doing way more as town. He's taken a platform of lynching BH when BH already said pre-game he wasn't RNGing his vote. Which is problematic.

And Koshi generally has a scum meta of doing jack all, and unlike JOAT, where he was modkilled as town, I don't recall RL reasons for him not contributing as much in this game.

More to come.

On March 29 2015 07:33 ExO_ wrote:
JAT could you give me some actual reads? Like without quoting somebody else and telling me what you thought of their thoughts.

On March 29 2015 07:37 Koshi wrote:

Is it true that sicklucker stopped campaigning to be cleric?

On March 29 2015 07:38 Koshi wrote:
omg is this another game in which scum!jat says the exact same things as townies and then pretends it's an accident.

On March 29 2015 07:38 ExO_ wrote:


Yeah. Unless I missed something in the pages I haven't read yet, all you've been doing (in my opinion) is quoting other people and saying what you've thought of their thoughts. That was the case when I went to sleep, and I wake up and here you are again doing the same thing.

Like do you post something that takes information and draws conclusions from it, or do you just thumb up and thumb down everybody elses posts?'

On March 29 2015 07:41 Koshi wrote:

True. Only 3 games in a row.

On March 29 2015 07:44 Alakaslam wrote:

Excuse me, can I butt in?

I think you are talking about giraffe shit

On March 29 2015 07:45 Alakaslam wrote:

HOwever, this is also right

On March 29 2015 07:51 batsnacks wrote:


If day 1 reads are based on crap then how are you finding townies if not for reasons based on crap?

Step 1 is hunt scum, it isn't election politics and it isn't town reads.

On March 29 2015 07:52 ExO_ wrote:


I read this and clicked your filter, fully expecting to have to come back and apologize for not having read it all yet. I was very mistaken in that thought. Your case on Koshi I don't find compelling at all. Especially the parts where you are okay lynching him even if he is town.

you're filter is about 80% other people's quoted words, 20% your own. You rarely post more than one sentence at a time. To me it looks like you're just taking everyone else's words, saying a few more of your own, and that's it. You're not bringing anything to the table that somebody else doesn't first bring. Except this little "push" on Koshi, and there's hardly anything there to justify it. Other than Koshi can't help but get modkilled sometimes.

The only point I'd agree with you on is it's not right for Koshi wanting to redeem himself by getting lynched. But I don't believe it's scum alignment indicative.

On March 29 2015 07:55 Koshi wrote:
"succes"

On March 29 2015 07:57 ExO_ wrote:


I think you're making a lot of low effort posts that increase filter size without actually saying much or adding to town. You're not really scum hunting, or offering any new ideas, only quoting other people's ideas.

Therefore yes, I think it's scummy.

On March 29 2015 08:02 sicklucker wrote:
I honestly dont understand the scum reads on me because I did something I would never do as mafia in 1000 years. So slight scum lean on yamato/ve etc. Hf calling me a 3rd party makes total sense and I very well might be. Town points for him.

On March 29 2015 08:05 ExO_ wrote:

I don't need somebody to quote everyone elses opinion and say they agree or not. I'd much rather know why you agree, or better yet why you think there should be a case on someone that hasn't been mentioned yet with reasons to back it up

On March 29 2015 08:09 sicklucker wrote:


Mafia would just call me mafia. Like if I even claimed 3rd party would I even die today? probably not. Him calling me 3rd party makes me feel better its a real read rather then just the easy thing to say to get me lynched

On March 29 2015 08:11 ExO_ wrote:



Just mindlessly agreeing with others IS useles filter size enlargement. Its 100% worthless if you don't offer anything else

On March 29 2015 08:09 Koshi wrote:

WHAT YOU EVEN AGREED?

DAFUQ

On March 29 2015 08:18 ExO_ wrote:


I don't think it's arguing about the way the game should be played, I think I'm arguing you're scum and attempting to slip by. You make low quality posts that only piggy back off others. You aren't adding any new information or perspectives. Unless this changes ill continue to scum read you for it.

On March 29 2015 08:20 Koshi wrote:

completely out of nowhere. Both kita and WoS suffer from this phenomenon.

On March 29 2015 08:22 Koshi wrote:
Kitaman is mafia or doing something weird. I am going with mafia.

Why does he put pressure on HF and then ignore HF?

On March 29 2015 08:24 ExO_ wrote:
Can somebody who's played with JAT a bunch offer an opinion here? Does he always just post this low effort 0 quality garbage?

On March 29 2015 08:32 Koshi wrote:
I don't see why Hapa is mafia. Somebody explain?

On March 29 2015 08:40 ritoky wrote:
I have 4 town reads + myself, I need 5 more by the end of tonight. feel free to tell me why you're town.

On March 29 2015 08:41 ExO_ wrote:


Haven't looked at slam yet much tbh. What caught my eye with JAT is the consant quoting somebody with a single sentence saying "i agree".

On March 29 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote:




this post, too antagonistic of HF to be mafia.

On March 29 2015 08:46 ritoky wrote:


mafia yamato probably afks through day 1 without picking a fight with a guy who was born spamming.

why are you town? I want to decide if you deserve to be in my 10

On March 29 2015 08:49 Keirathi wrote:

What makes you think scum yamato would afk through the day?

I don't know where that logic leap came from.

On March 29 2015 08:55 ExO_ wrote:
JAT my opinion of you isn't going to change unless you step it up. I think you are scum trying to slip by with quoting and agreeing with people while offering nothing to the town yourself.

On March 29 2015 09:02 Chezitwo wrote:

Yes, so did I - unfortunately that doesn't mean that VA is town.

On March 29 2015 09:06 ExO_ wrote:


Im not really willing to use his past play to justify his play this game (assuming it is the same). I think what he's doing now is scummy and not helpful to town. It's poor play and would be really easy to do as mafia. Playing poorly in one game as town will not excuse you from playing poorly in the next game as town.

That said I don't think he's town playing poorly here. I think he's scum

On March 29 2015 09:13 Chezitwo wrote:

Do you think your push against Koshi was worth something?

On March 29 2015 09:17 Half the Sky wrote:
Night kills might be a way to ferret him out - as scum, he tends to be a fan of a "shit up the thread" strategy, so the deaths of people who aren't doing much could potentially be a red flag. I know he mentioned something of the sort in the past.

On March 29 2015 09:40 Holyflare wrote:
it's as if you never learnt what 100% meant

On March 29 2015 09:56 ExO_ wrote:


Slam wtf is this supposed to say?

On March 29 2015 10:12 Snarfs wrote:
I think Kita's opening and calling out hapa were both mafia-like plays as well.

The opener is sort of a half having fun vote me for mayor post / half serious discussion.

And calling out hapa for being afk seemed premature rather than just waiting to see if he showed up.

On March 29 2015 10:15 Hapahauli wrote:


If that's indicative of a town Koshi, yes.

On March 29 2015 10:17 Koshi wrote:
ow ok. JAT is lying.

On March 29 2015 10:20 Hapahauli wrote:
This posting is boring me. Let me know when the lynching starts, and I'll start playing.

On March 29 2015 10:21 Snarfs wrote:

No, hapa was here for the first 20 minutes then went afk. That hardly counts as showing up given how trolly the first parts of these games can be. Then Kita called him out like 17 hours later or so.

On March 29 2015 10:31 Snarfs wrote:

Couldnt he just be busy?

On March 29 2015 10:54 Koshi wrote:
He is obvious mafia and you are boring.

On March 29 2015 10:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well, we wanted Koshi, AND NOW WE HAVE HIM

On March 29 2015 10:55 Koshi wrote:
Why is kita town JAT?

On March 29 2015 10:55 justanothertownie wrote:

He seems to be only obvious to you. So either you are some kind of mafia messias or maybe he just isn't obvious mafia. Can't decide which one is more likely.

On March 29 2015 10:57 Koshi wrote:









Look at all the proof why kita is mafia. If you can't see it. You are bad.

On March 29 2015 11:01 Koshi wrote:

more proof.

On March 29 2015 11:00 ExO_ wrote:


Do you think he is town or isn't?

On March 29 2015 11:05 Koshi wrote:
gj JAT. This game was not played on April the 4th in 2014.

On March 29 2015 11:08 Koshi wrote:
Ok. How do you think Kitaman is playing this game? Just tell me his state of mind, his activity, etc etc

On March 29 2015 11:20 kitaman27 wrote:


What do you think about HF's town read on me?

On March 29 2015 11:28 Koshi wrote:
WoS has no townreads.

On March 29 2015 11:35 Holyflare wrote:


If you are calling kita mafia you are calling me mafia. Back down scrub.

Wave is fair game for whatever you throw at him.

On March 29 2015 11:36 Koshi wrote:

Yes. It is because he just made some post about me being scum and my entire team being afk.

On March 29 2015 11:37 Holyflare wrote:
I wanna lynch ls now 100%

On March 29 2015 11:37 kitaman27 wrote:


Do you find it scummy or just weird?

On March 29 2015 11:40 Blazinghand wrote:

I'm not actually RNGing this game, seriously. I'm voting for anyone who is going to kill Koshi. Less Koshi = better game imo

On March 29 2015 11:42 Blazinghand wrote:
btw still haven't read the thread, but my crumb is:

six hundred tewnty four tables, take a quarter and you'll realize that the remainder is three. what is that, from another tongue, that follows one and helps him, and hopes to hinder another? Harry Potter knows the answer.

On March 29 2015 11:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I thought you were talking about something else entirely.

Nevermind. I don't understand what you're saying to me.

On March 29 2015 11:52 Holyflare wrote:


Kita = kita?

On March 29 2015 11:50 Holyflare wrote:
I have no idea what anyone is saying anymore. Can we please get back to how mafia ls is for his post.

On March 29 2015 11:53 Blazinghand wrote:
Koshi's horrible lying tells me that, despite the fact that he's a good and excellent person, nothing has changed and he needs to be lynched so I'll support anyone who wants to do that.

On March 29 2015 11:55 LightningStrike wrote:

I not Mafia are you smoking weed Snoop Dog style? If so I got the perfect song for you:

On March 29 2015 12:03 Koshi wrote:
Really. Why is WoS trying to get a powerrole? He hasn't done jack shit to earn it and asked it when he enetered the thread, and is still asking it. But in between he just makes terrible reads on yamato and VA.

Did anybody read his VA townread? Seriously.

On March 29 2015 12:05 Blazinghand wrote:
wos what's your position on deffo lynching koshi

On March 29 2015 12:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Ftr I think this whole Koshi/BH fight is remarkably unconstructive.

On March 29 2015 12:09 Koshi wrote:

Yes. So town WoS would now be whining and crying about it because WoS can read the flow of the thread. But this WoS isn't doing that at all while he really really seems to want a powerrole.

Why?

On March 29 2015 12:11 LightningStrike wrote:

Possibly Koshi his play so far seems so lackluster compared to his last couple town games and he was absolutely useless as Mafia in Horns which I seeing a little bit of his lackluster from there in this game. So far he's my only real scumread if any at all. Also you know I never pushed people that hard that early as scum (JOAT and Student IV) so it should be a sign I am town -.-

On March 29 2015 12:20 Koshi wrote:

Ok. Let me explain again.

In green WoS says:
VA is hard to read but I can read him well. I think VA is town.

in red WoS says:
VA is easy to read and always the last mafia alive. We shouldn't touch his slot because he will show his true colours.

---

Why would WoS say the green and the red? You can't think both things. But then read to what he replies. Read what HTS said and then read what WoS replies.

It just doesn't add up. Mafia!WoS saw something about VA and decided to spend a post about his VA meta. It's quite obvious.

On March 29 2015 12:22 Koshi wrote:
HTS: I think VA is town. here is his meta: ....
WoS: That's not how it goes. I read VA is town. But I think we shouldn't lynch his slot because we will see how mafia he is later.

On March 29 2015 12:23 rsoultin wrote:



mmm

i see where you see the contradiction, but it's just not giving me that omg so scummy! feel :/

saying he thinks he's town but that he can be caught easily through night actions if he's mafia is kinda like saying hey let's not lynch [insert name of good player who is hard to catch as scum here] cause if they're town we still want them around, and if they're alive day 3 or 4 we can lynch them

On March 29 2015 12:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't know rsoultin well enough to vote her atm
Decent play I'm seeing at face value so that's good. What's she capable of as scum?

On March 29 2015 12:30 Holyflare wrote:
Never let koshi get any kind of power. He's too far gone (but his wave point does have merit and i like it)

On March 29 2015 12:31 Koshi wrote:

Kita is town. It's fine. We kill WoS.

On March 29 2015 12:31 rsoultin wrote:
it's true lol

i think it's obvious when i'm scum but the people i've fooled will not agree

that said, jat, you seemed to think you could read me well in the xxx obs qt?

On March 29 2015 12:36 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think it makes you 100% mafia but it's an increasing chance.

On March 29 2015 12:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
I grow bored of this.
Probably won't be around a ton tomorrow.
If yall decide to listen to Koshi go ahead and lynch me or something. I promise I won't put up a fight.

On March 29 2015 12:39 VayneAuthority wrote:


if you remember his town game is really wishy washy to start and only times he gets lynched usually is day 1 cause he sounds suspicious as fuck.

As mafia ( remember i played it with him quite extensively) he was getting pretty arrogant/confident right away and its not the same tone. But we haven't played in quite a while so who knows. That's my 2 cents.

At any rate I think there are better people to kill like crossfire and damdred. (yes im reading the whole thread and watching all of you clowns)

On March 29 2015 12:43 Holyflare wrote:
If i say I'm going to lynch bh enough maybe he'll claim a role and we can ignore him.

On March 29 2015 12:46 rsoultin wrote:
lol jat i think i'm putting you in my townpile

tentatively

don't make me regret it? plzthx ^^

On March 29 2015 12:59 LightningStrike wrote:
FYI I am the Town Puppy I mean look at me go I so cute and adorable in fact I cuter than GlowingBear weee:
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On March 30 2015 02:46 Holyflare wrote:
do you think greymist would put a role in that limits someones ability to post and makes them not able to talk about it?

On March 29 2015 15:25 yamato77 wrote:

your town list is... unconventional

you're probably town.

On March 29 2015 15:26 ritoky wrote:


that's cool, elect me warrior so I can lynch HtS

also who are 4 more towns, holyflare is not an acceptable answer to this question.

On March 29 2015 16:06 Trfel wrote:
First off, apologies for this post being short. I'm rather sleepy, and I'm really busy tomorrow, so I can't guarantee much more from me until after the deadline.

I'm not convinced that LightningStrike is scum here. He made a bunch of null reads, but his early push on rsoultin was rather townie. He seems to be trying hard in this game, and I don't want to lynch him.

For now, I think that Holyflare is the best vote. He seems very towny, and he has been actively leading the thread. He's also said many of the same thoughts that I have had. His lynch candidates also generally line up with mine. I also trust Holyflare with whatever abilities are given to him by the adventuring party role.

##vote Holyflare

I personally like a sicklucker lynch. He's basically claimed third party.

As for Hapahauli: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........................

I don't want to lynch Half the Sky yet, either. I am fairly confident in reading her in a longer game, using the tell that Holyflare developed: "boring Half the Sky is mafia". I am not convinced that Half the Sky has been given enough time to be interesting in this game yet.

On March 29 2015 22:49 Holyflare wrote:


because if he's mafia he can't do it and he'll drop down, what tmi thing?

On March 30 2015 00:44 batsnacks wrote:
If ritoky wants to lynch hts that's also fine with me, she's completely forgettable this game. I don't think I've ever played with scum hts but people, forgot who, said that her being forgettable is her scum meta.

On March 30 2015 02:52 Holyflare wrote:


give me some scum reads with reasoning then

On March 30 2015 01:02 Holyflare wrote:


what..............?

if you think i'm mafia I shouldn't have any powers, it should be pretty easy to tell if i'm mafia based on my reads, don't post this cop out crap

On March 30 2015 01:11 Holyflare wrote:
nah i do want to be warrior I made that clear now, if i'm not being scum read you should want me as the person deciding your lynch, it's not like i'm going to do anything other than poe and discuss it down anyway

On March 30 2015 01:50 kitaman27 wrote:


Could you elaborate with this one?

On March 30 2015 02:54 Holyflare wrote:
i'm not going to lynch hts when she said she couldn't play this cycle at all, i'll vote bh for intentionally antagonising a most likely town koshi or hapa for just not playing this game at all and trolling/afking

On March 30 2015 02:54 VisceraEyes wrote:

It's Chez, observe how he deftly dodges discourse while surreptitiously making the assumption he isn't lynched today.

He thinks he's sneaky, but he's not so sneaky.

On March 30 2015 02:57 justanothertownie wrote:

The first part of this post is acceptable the second part I am not sure I agree with...

On March 30 2015 03:03 Holyflare wrote:


because mafia loves to call me town so you can pretty much just assume i'm town now

On March 30 2015 03:07 rsoultin wrote:
lolol

mmmm

i do like a snarfs lynch though not gonna lie

maybe better than hapa and certainly better than bh

On March 30 2015 03:09 rsoultin wrote:


i said i liked his plan? that doesn't mean he's done jack shit since, which is what i'd expect from someone so gung ho at the beginning, yeah?

On March 30 2015 03:09 Onegu wrote:



Seems like a town BH to me though...

On March 30 2015 03:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Did you guys hear something?

On March 30 2015 03:13 Holyflare wrote:
honestly i'm just going to lynch hapa

anyone that doesn't want to lynch hapa is making this game a total farce because they have NO excuse to town read him at all when he's a town leader that has done absolutely nothing

On March 30 2015 03:17 Chezitwo wrote:

Then you can hold him accountable to it then.

Hapa has been lynched once as town ever, and it's not by playing like this that he has a nice unlynched record.

On March 30 2015 03:17 Holyflare wrote:


uhhh? why are you only saying this now when you've been saying i'm towny and when I questioned batsnacks about it you were kinda semi-defending me and only now you're just saying we're in a bad spot?????????

On March 30 2015 03:18 rsoultin wrote:


lynch him if he does? or pick a player you trust for rogue to block it if he tries to lynch anyone other than what we decide on?

like the only way any answer is wrong here is if we don't decide on a lynch amongst ourselves and then fail to hold the warrior and rogue accountable for seeing it through

if you don't want him to have any special powers that's one thing, but the argument that you're afraid who he'll lynch is a little asinine imo...regarding him or any other player for that matter

On March 30 2015 03:20 Holyflare wrote:


only one of you is

On March 30 2015 03:24 rsoultin wrote:
i guess what i'm saying is if you don't want holyflare to be warrior then you have to present an alternative or it's just kinda useless noise

On March 30 2015 03:26 Holyflare wrote:


and you also didn't do any of the things i mentioned that obi did

On March 30 2015 03:28 Holyflare wrote:


because evidently I didn't know anyone was joking........................?

On March 30 2015 03:31 Holyflare wrote:


you said that the thread is bad because you don't know who to vote for after jat was saying i'm not a good candidate

i question why the hell you say this after doing all those things in regards to me

you say you are joking

i dont think jat is joking so say only one of you is joking

jat continues to say im not a good candidate

??????????????????

On March 30 2015 03:32 Holyflare wrote:
like seriously it's not fucking hard jat, why do you love to be an obnoxious prick all the time

just tell me who you think is mafia and who you think is town and why, you can't complain there are no candidates because that just means you don't have any reads which means you are actually mafia

On March 30 2015 03:32 Holyflare wrote:
like seriously it's not fucking hard jat, why do you love to be an obnoxious prick all the time

just tell me who you think is mafia and who you think is town and why, you can't complain there are no candidates because that just means you don't have any reads which means you are actually mafia