Aperture Mafia 4: This Time it's Personal

Warrior - Our warrior should be someone who agrees to nominate a lynch based on a plurality vote. He/she should agree that it is important to get lots of opinions on the candidate before deciding on who to vote and SHOULD NOT be someone who will just pick their gut target. We need information from the day 1 lynch more than we need to hit mafia/3p. We need to know why people are for/against a certain lynch. A cowboy warrior will not give us that information.

On March 28 2015 20:48 ExO_ wrote:
I think we're getting a bit distracted. The little squabble HF/Rsoultin is having isn't being productive right now. And while it's important to find scum I think it's more important to focus on who we're electing today. It's a bit rough right now since this game seems to really be off to a slow star and we've yet to here from a lot of people.

On March 29 2015 01:40 justanothertownie wrote:

Meta is one part of it. Another is this ridiculous bullshit he said about liking LS rsoultin read. I expect him to not be awful if he is town.

On March 29 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Probably Town

LightningStrike + Show Spoiler +
batsnacks + Show Spoiler +

Slightly Town

rsoultin + Show Spoiler +
ObiWanShinobi + Show Spoiler +
WaveofShadow + Show Spoiler +

Slightly Mafia

Damdred + Show Spoiler +
ExO_ + Show Spoiler +

Scumreads

sicklucker + Show Spoiler +

On the Adventuring Party
+ Show Spoiler [Thoughts on the Adventuring Party] +
However, scumhunting is definitely the most important thing, and the adventuring party should only be the focused on later in the day (when it does matter to elect the right people).

ExO_

ExO_'s decision to run for the adventuring party was very delayed. Initially, he seemed to wonder about the game mechanics, and sit on the sidelines, but then he made a slight push for becoming the warrior. And then, he keeps posting campaign pictures, and then suddenly decides that he's willing to be second to someone else's campaign. The goal of his campaign seems to be constantly changing. It's not clear why he decided to run, and why he is so determined to get a spot on the adventuring party. This doesn't necessarily make ExO_ scum, but I am suspicious of him. I'm interested in seeing how he continues from here.

I also don't want to elect ExO_ to the adventuring party because I'm not sure if I trust him with whatever additional abilities the adventuring party is given. I do not want to see ExO_ elected today.

sicklucker

It's obvious that what sicklucker's play has been scummy. The question is whether or not it is alignment indicative. I think that it is.
Why would sicklucker do this?

• As town, sicklucker's claim is intended to get a confirmed town (himself) on the adventuring party. Another possibility is that he actually has extremely strong powers, and wants to ensure that he survives. It is possible that he did this for both of these motives.
  
• As mafia, sicklucker's claim is intended to try to get elected to the adventuring party, and to explain why he is not night killed in this game.

And the explanation for this play from town!sicklucker makes no sense.

Sicklucker didn't make any effort to push his campaign for the adventuring party. If he is willing to claim one of his abilities early on, I expect him to follow through and push this correctly. He posts the following:
+ Show Spoiler +
And doesn't mention it again. Clearly he gave up on his campaign very early on. And since he's already invested in it, this makes no sense. He clearly had no plan for pushing, and not even a desire to interact with people and explain himself.

Furthermore, sicklucker himself stated that he never gets night killed.So, if he really does have strong powers and needs to survive, he simply wouldn't say anything, and that would accomplish this for him.

In conclusion, sicklucker has a good chance of being mafia here. His play doesn't come from a town perspective.

On March 29 2015 07:31 justanothertownie wrote:

Huh?


I like both of those posts.

On March 29 2015 07:41 justanothertownie wrote:

So you missed how I went against Koshi for starters? That has to be the strongest push there was so far and you are telling me you completely missed that?

On March 29 2015 09:13 Half the Sky wrote:
Chez, to answer your question, there are a few people in this community that go against the current meta of posting more = more likely to be town. Obviously if Kita does jack all the next cycle, then obviously that's cause for concern, but there are people like him, LoneMeow and even Trfel that don't post much but they are still fairly readable with the content they have. Kita's posts as town in his town games have generally been simple and either advancing town agenda directly or showing that he's scumhunting. So the volume isn't there, but the content is.

He's not a crazy case maker, nor is he an Eden or a Marv that spams like crazy trying to converse with everyone. But he's still reading as town based on his content.

On March 29 2015 08:20 Koshi wrote:

completely out of nowhere. Both kita and WoS suffer from this phenomenon.

On March 29 2015 13:52 yamato77 wrote:
Is the LS thing because of this?





It is strange, but idk why a mafia would just choose a player to tunnel from the start of the game.

On March 29 2015 20:09 Holyflare wrote:
likely towny

rsoul
koshi
batsnacks (plz do more just in case?)

probably towny


Trfel
ExO_
obi
kita
vayneauthority

uhhh i guess maybe towny?

yamato (totally based on some bs calling me out and nothing more, plz don't be underwhelming)
ritoky (seriously just trolling -.- want to put further down but trolling probably town - has 2 scummy people and a claimed 3p in his list of towns lol)
Onegu (ehhh isn't actually being that awful and tempted to move him up potentially, he has reads but i'm not feeling conclusive)
alakaslam (probably should be up, peach4life, seems pretty happyish and although he's changing meta he seems pretty genuinely lost so re-evaluate up)
jat (lol, tell me some scum reads and i'll move you up for free ^^)
sepulcher (ehhhhhhhh he's not actually that bad now that i look at filter (his onegu/bh stuff), would like to see him talk a lot more otherwise down you gooo)
visceraeyes (might move him up, like his reads quite a lot actually (keirathi underwhelming etc) wait for next list veee, i got your back)


null

keirathi (weird defence on accused (exo etc), looks a bit tmiish, hard on for hapa and won't discuss anyone else, null null plz change (i did like you at the time but you fallen off completely and it looks worse now))
crossfire99 (honestly have no idea, he can write wall of texts as mafia from what i've seen and also be lurkyish, lack of defensiveness i'd probably equate to being town but would like some more)
snarfs (not much to go on, his plan wasn't too bad but anyone can make that, his town list isn't that awful either, bit of a weird read on chez though but not sure i hate it so far, maybe up a bit later)
chezitwo (meeeeeh?)

scummy tier but not actually full blown scum

WaveofShadow (plz don't be mafia :'( play with meeee and put some effort in when you're back, I wanna hear reasoned out reads plz)


like wtf are you even doing scum tier

hts
bh
damdred (very very underwhelming, probably down to mafia level, his town reads were on odd people who hadn't really done anything much (me, jat etc) it just looked really weird)


genuinely scummy

hapa (why................?)
ls (said reasons quite a few times now, read game plz (his post was very very wishy washy and forced much like his last scum game, obi outlined that his rsoul push looked forced because he was using reads (associative) that he doesn't normally use, he tried to defend himself with meta that he already knew about (not pushing), the forced push for lame reasons combined with his post and then like total shut down and puppy spamming probably makes him mafia)

3p
sl

On March 29 2015 10:11 Hapahauli wrote:
I'm saying that you gave a reason for Koshi to be town, and then somehow figured out a way to justify voting him.

On March 29 2015 20:51 Onegu wrote:



I asked you for a loan

On March 29 2015 08:58 Chezitwo wrote:
The only other thing I noted down (up to the point of this Trfel post) is that I was curious why Half the Sky liked kitaman, given how little kitaman has done. I don't really have a read on kitaman either way, and it's curious that HtS feels the need to pick him out as someone townie.

On March 29 2015 21:32 Onegu wrote:



2.573 greymist points

On March 29 2015 21:55 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I am Commissioner Gordon a weird variation to a Parity Cop T_T

On March 29 2015 22:13 Holyflare wrote:



yeh he's said absolutely 0 things about VA and VA wasn't even one of the people that talked about the jester thing so this just magically appears

On March 29 2015 13:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
my personal opinion is that hapa has a role that wants to be lynched or something. Whether that is town or mafia remains to be seen lol.

On March 30 2015 00:18 Holyflare wrote:


i kind of agree

"bh can do this as town or mafia"
"damdred and hts can do this as mafia but it's too obvious!"

says absolutely nothing about who we should lynch

On March 30 2015 01:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Anyway I think the power is only to overrule the D1 lynch and I think you've got this in hand. I don't really necessarily agree with your targets, but then I don't necessarily think you'll lynch the people you've stated are your primary targets in the end.

I personally like a sicklucker lynch. He's basically claimed third party.

On March 29 2015 22:46 Damdred wrote:
Quoting on phone is bad for me rs so I'll just thought dump on him.

I don't like snarls specifically because of the way he approaches kita and hap in general. He pushes against any hapa sentiment and chainsaw defends to me in a few points, and his opening vote was interesting but he gave little to no reasoning or showed what towny things chez was doing. I think he's probable Scum

On March 29 2015 10:03 Snarfs wrote:
i'm voting chez because I think as a warrior whoever he would pick to lynch would be well explained in thread. From his posting I feel like he'd pick someone intelligently and with input from town, he doesn't seem quick to pull the trigger which is exactly what I outlined in our ideal warrior.

On March 29 2015 10:49 Snarfs wrote:

Why do you actually think he's scummy? I don't get the bank thing and don't realllllly care at this point. I trust him because he's pointing out things that seem to be helping town find scum rather than mislynches which seems opposite of what scum would be doing.

On March 30 2015 01:38 rsoultin wrote:


i know who said it and where you pulled it from, so i'm already tainted

but yes i've already pointed this out as interesting...not sure it's alignment-indicative though, chez

His lynch candidates also generally line up with mine.

On March 30 2015 01:41 LightningStrike wrote:
Chez is Artanis Tina

On March 30 2015 01:49 Damdred wrote:


No that doesn't disprove what I'm saying at all. Look at what is aid and look at what he said. He isn't it showing what you are doing he's making general statements without anything to back them up in his posts.

So no it's not a lazy read. Also show me what are these things he's talking about if he's explaining himself well

On March 30 2015 02:03 rsoultin wrote:


kinda preaching to the choir on this one chez

On March 30 2015 02:09 rsoultin wrote:


+1 sorry chez

like the whole thrust of his read appeared to be you wouldn't go rogue (lolol pun intended) and do whatever the fuck you want...like saying someone is intelligent and not pursuing (what he perceives to be) mislynches is a kinda weak townread, at least from where i'm sitting

On March 30 2015 02:23 Damdred wrote:


No one is saying it doesn't exist, its obvious it's there in its filter. Why you are hard defending the read IDK.

Nor why you are trying to explain how read when he's not giving anything just blanket statements doesn't make the read not what I've said

On March 30 2015 02:46 Holyflare wrote:
do you think greymist would put a role in that limits someones ability to post and makes them not able to talk about it?

On March 30 2015 02:48 Holyflare wrote:
cool tings

chez who are you?

On March 30 2015 03:16 justanothertownie wrote:

Not the worst plan I ever heard but I don't trust you not to suddenly change your mind later.

On March 30 2015 03:30 Holyflare wrote:
how is any of this relevant!??!?!

On March 30 2015 04:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Jat, how do you have Trfel and Hapa as possible lynches if Hapa wants to lynch Trfel?

On March 30 2015 04:53 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I am of the impression that scumteams generally don't lynch into themselves without good reason to do so.

On March 30 2015 05:07 VisceraEyes wrote:

You can bounce ideas off him in the thread Kita. Though I will say that it makes as little sense for you to mason him as mafia.

I'm just salt you didn't mason me. It's w/e.

On March 30 2015 05:22 Holyflare wrote:


i'm down with this

On March 30 2015 06:15 rsoultin wrote:


>< lol...can you say why you have an issue with any of ritoky, koshi or holyflare first?

better yet, give me three names of people you want ^^

On March 30 2015 06:36 rsoultin wrote:
okay 5 minutes...majority is leaning snarfs with three preferring him and one saying he's an okay lynch

i really can't cut it much closer than that and y'all are too busy arguing with one another -_- can you please focus here?

On March 30 2015 06:39 Chezitwo wrote:

Lynch who you think has the highest chance of flipping mafia.

You don't necessarily know who is town or mafia influencing you.

You know you are town. (I'm assuming this right now)

On March 30 2015 07:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
so ive been control + F'ing my name and I see this chezintwo guy mentioning my name in like every posts he makes out of nowhere when no one is talking about me. Seems forced and unnecessary. You don't need to keep saying it so you can try and mislynch me later bud.

On March 30 2015 07:12 VayneAuthority wrote:


Say it once, we understand your read. saying it 5 times out of nowhere (not even joking, my name is nowhere else on the page and you are inserting it into your posts) it looks pathetic and forced.

On March 30 2015 07:15 VayneAuthority wrote:


if you understand anything about me you would know I hate spam, so clearly you are faking it when you think you know anything about my personality in regards to my "off the wall" thinking.

nice contradiction already there LOL.

im some one you dont want to fuck with if you haven't figured that out yet.

On March 30 2015 07:18 VayneAuthority wrote:


if you can't explain your inconsistency do you think that makes you look good or something? If you cant even cover your tracks after 1 day you'll be spit roasted in this game.

On March 30 2015 07:21 VayneAuthority wrote:


you claim to know my personality and yet dont know one of my biggest pet peeves is spam. How can you hold any ground to that when you dont even know that?

On March 30 2015 07:22 justanothertownie wrote:
Watch out chez I have a feeling you might reveal your identity ^_^

On March 30 2015 07:23 VayneAuthority wrote:


I just explained what it has to do with everything. You claim to know my personality from other games as a smurf presumably yet you actually don't so you're just spewing shit to skewer me as mafia.

On March 30 2015 07:26 VayneAuthority wrote:



well you're just repeating yourself and providing zero new information so this is a waste of time. Typical scum behavior to take a singular stance and then troll because it was a shitty foundation to begin with so you can't build on it.

On March 30 2015 07:33 justanothertownie wrote:

But you think she is town, right? She seems to consider the same targets I do for the most part so whatever. I still say lynch Trfel. BH has still a very good shot at being scum but I don't know what all this slamstuff is about.

On March 30 2015 07:46 Alakaslam wrote:

you sTILL don't get it.

I can't just claim at will without garnering kp.

On March 30 2015 07:49 LightningStrike wrote:

So lynch MAfiahand

On March 30 2015 07:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Sigh. Sickulcker seems like such a cop-out vote. I don't see how an anti-town 3rd party is claiming in his situation.

On March 30 2015 08:23 justanothertownie wrote:

Yeah I have no idea what happened there. Thought it was because people feared VE getting a role after my post about it.

On March 30 2015 23:07 kitaman27 wrote:






Where's your spine? What was the good point about sicklucker because it certainly wasn't that nonsense about allowing the coin flip people to talk about something else. Did it come down to filter size for a guy who hadn't even been in the thread all day?



I want a refund.

On March 31 2015 01:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
And you think LS as scum clearly outlines a terrible plan that looks very mafia so aligned in thread, JAT?

On March 31 2015 01:10 LightningStrike wrote:

It makes sense for me since I a investigative role and there is like 1% chance that there is 3 town investigative roles and 2 is the most I seen in most games and considering we got pms it seem a little to much I think knowing I almost lost at MYLO in a pm game in Office Mini taking out scum!sicklucker on the final day as a Cop.

On March 31 2015 01:14 LightningStrike wrote:

Slam is town since he been very serious this game and who was the other one that claimed because I don't remember seeing another claim after BH's and Slams.

On March 31 2015 01:18 rsoultin wrote:


it's more interesting that half the game has pmd me and you haven't

On March 30 2015 08:25 justanothertownie wrote:
I will stick to my general pm game policy -> I won't pm anybody unless I have a very urgent reason to do so. I will answer if pmed though so feel free to do so if you want.

On March 31 2015 01:29 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I thought we already discussed the fact that flavor isn't indicative in any way.