EPTAperture Mafia 4: This Time it's Personal
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Chezitwo
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Warrior - Our warrior should be someone who agrees to nominate a lynch based on a plurality vote. He/she should agree that it is important to get lots of opinions on the candidate before deciding on who to vote and SHOULD NOT be someone who will just pick their gut target. We need information from the day 1 lynch more than we need to hit mafia/3p. We need to know why people are for/against a certain lynch. A cowboy warrior will not give us that information. The lynch of mafia is the greatest possible information. Therefore, my support will go to the titan whose targets align with mine. | ||
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Chezitwo
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On March 28 2015 20:48 ExO_ wrote: I think we're getting a bit distracted. The little squabble HF/Rsoultin is having isn't being productive right now. And while it's important to find scum I think it's more important to focus on who we're electing today. It's a bit rough right now since this game seems to really be off to a slow star and we've yet to here from a lot of people. This is very wrong. The little squabble is one of the only things I've managed to get a lean out of someone one way or another, so it's one of the most useful things that's happened in the thread. And if you find mafia, you know who to elect. You cannot possibly know who to elect without finding mafia. | ||
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On March 29 2015 01:40 justanothertownie wrote: Meta is one part of it. Another is this ridiculous bullshit he said about liking LS rsoultin read. I expect him to not be awful if he is town. I don't think this is really a very fair interpretation. It didn't seem a particularly bad observation from LS about rsoultin not being as jokey as normal, and I noticed HF had rsoultin on the mafia side too at first. Really the horrible part of it if it exists is the fact Koshi didn't read rsoultin's posts in question, but it doesn't seem a particularly scummy thing to openly admit that. | ||
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On March 29 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote: Probably Town LightningStrike + Show Spoiler + While I dont like his push on rsoultin, I feel that the way he did it makes him more likely to be town. I don't think that mafia!LightningStrike would show bias against a player before they start posting, and then continuously push that read. Also, LightningStrike does pay additional attention to rsoultin over everyone else, he showed this in Student Mafia V. batsnacks + Show Spoiler + I'm very comfortable with batsnacks as town. He's been pushing good things, and being helpful and sensible. Slightly Town rsoultin + Show Spoiler + The reasons that LightningStrike used to scumread rsoultin are rather poor. In general, rsoultin has seemed carefree enough to be a town lean. ObiWanShinobi + Show Spoiler + Liked his early push on LightningStrike WaveofShadow + Show Spoiler + Said a lot of the same things that I felt, seems to be scumhunting. I'm liking his play. Slightly Mafia Damdred + Show Spoiler + His play hasn't been very memorable. He made a post townreading Holyflare for noticing and pushing all of the right things, but Holyflare later stated (and I agree) that he hadn't really done anything by that point. ExO_ + Show Spoiler + See below. Scumreads sicklucker + Show Spoiler + See below. On the Adventuring Party + Show Spoiler [Thoughts on the Adventuring Party] + On March 23 2015 05:44 GreYMisT wrote: In addition to the above, the members of the adventuring party will receive some bonus powers. These powers cannot be used on the same night as any powers that player might also have. One thing that people seem to overlook is that the adventuring party is given additional abilities. Therefore, it is not beneficial to only elect someone who does actions that are favorable to town (a generally accepted lynch for the warrior, and letting the lynch go through for the rogue), but also electing people who are town and know how to use these abilities well. However, given the format of one vote per player, and the top three players are elected, I think it is almost impossible for mafia to be completely locked out of the adventuring party. They probably have enough people to take one of the three spots. Looking at the voting analysis could prove quite useful for this. However, scumhunting is definitely the most important thing, and the adventuring party should only be the focused on later in the day (when it does matter to elect the right people). ExO_ ExO_'s decision to run for the adventuring party was very delayed. Initially, he seemed to wonder about the game mechanics, and sit on the sidelines, but then he made a slight push for becoming the warrior. And then, he keeps posting campaign pictures, and then suddenly decides that he's willing to be second to someone else's campaign. The goal of his campaign seems to be constantly changing. It's not clear why he decided to run, and why he is so determined to get a spot on the adventuring party. This doesn't necessarily make ExO_ scum, but I am suspicious of him. I'm interested in seeing how he continues from here. I also don't want to elect ExO_ to the adventuring party because I'm not sure if I trust him with whatever additional abilities the adventuring party is given. I do not want to see ExO_ elected today. sicklucker It's obvious that what sicklucker's play has been scummy. The question is whether or not it is alignment indicative. I think that it is. Why would sicklucker do this?
Sicklucker didn't make any effort to push his campaign for the adventuring party. If he is willing to claim one of his abilities early on, I expect him to follow through and push this correctly. He posts the following: + Show Spoiler + On March 28 2015 10:50 sicklucker wrote: 0 votes on me a confirmed town. Ya ok On March 28 2015 10:54 sicklucker wrote: If i knew this was gonna be a popularity contest and not a give it to a town contest I probably wouldnt have claimed On March 28 2015 10:56 sicklucker wrote: You guys better at least make me the cleric or ill question your intelligence. And doesn't mention it again. Clearly he gave up on his campaign very early on. And since he's already invested in it, this makes no sense. He clearly had no plan for pushing, and not even a desire to interact with people and explain himself. Furthermore, sicklucker himself stated that he never gets night killed.So, if he really does have strong powers and needs to survive, he simply wouldn't say anything, and that would accomplish this for him. In conclusion, sicklucker has a good chance of being mafia here. His play doesn't come from a town perspective. Although I haven't actually felt anything scummy in what Trfel has written so far in the game, this post feels quite overexplained, particularly the sicklucker read. In particular, I can easily see sicklucker posting what he did as town, and it's a very long explanation to tell us why he wouldn't. The only other thing I noted down (up to the point of this Trfel post) is that I was curious why Half the Sky liked kitaman, given how little kitaman has done. I don't really have a read on kitaman either way, and it's curious that HtS feels the need to pick him out as someone townie. | ||
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On March 29 2015 07:31 justanothertownie wrote: Huh? I like both of those posts. Yes, so did I - unfortunately that doesn't mean that VA is town. | ||
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On March 29 2015 07:41 justanothertownie wrote: So you missed how I went against Koshi for starters? That has to be the strongest push there was so far and you are telling me you completely missed that? Do you think your push against Koshi was worth something? | ||
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On March 29 2015 09:13 Half the Sky wrote: Chez, to answer your question, there are a few people in this community that go against the current meta of posting more = more likely to be town. Obviously if Kita does jack all the next cycle, then obviously that's cause for concern, but there are people like him, LoneMeow and even Trfel that don't post much but they are still fairly readable with the content they have. Kita's posts as town in his town games have generally been simple and either advancing town agenda directly or showing that he's scumhunting. So the volume isn't there, but the content is. He's not a crazy case maker, nor is he an Eden or a Marv that spams like crazy trying to converse with everyone. But he's still reading as town based on his content. Could you just explain a little what in his content makes him likely to be town? A better question - can you explain what in he has posted you don't think he can post as mafia? What has he posted that you don't think he could fake as mafia? The Iron Bank thanks you for your continued business. | ||
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On March 29 2015 08:20 Koshi wrote: completely out of nowhere. Both kita and WoS suffer from this phenomenon. This is actually a correct post from Koshi, but at the same time the longer I do not read a post from Hapa (or one of any worth), the jumpier I get. The Hapahauli I am accustomed to can't help himself wading in. Unfortunately this makes it quite difficult to read into people calling out Hapahauli - out of the blue or otherwise | ||
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On March 29 2015 13:52 yamato77 wrote: Is the LS thing because of this? It is strange, but idk why a mafia would just choose a player to tunnel from the start of the game. I'm not sure if this is a serious post or not. This is precisely what mafia can and like to do? I don't think that what LS has done justifies the strength of the push on him, but this is a very strange way of semi-defending him. | ||
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On March 29 2015 20:09 Holyflare wrote: likely towny rsoul koshi batsnacks (plz do more just in case?) probably towny Trfel ExO_ obi kita vayneauthority uhhh i guess maybe towny? yamato (totally based on some bs calling me out and nothing more, plz don't be underwhelming) ritoky (seriously just trolling -.- want to put further down but trolling probably town - has 2 scummy people and a claimed 3p in his list of towns lol) Onegu (ehhh isn't actually being that awful and tempted to move him up potentially, he has reads but i'm not feeling conclusive) alakaslam (probably should be up, peach4life, seems pretty happyish and although he's changing meta he seems pretty genuinely lost so re-evaluate up) jat (lol, tell me some scum reads and i'll move you up for free ^^) sepulcher (ehhhhhhhh he's not actually that bad now that i look at filter (his onegu/bh stuff), would like to see him talk a lot more otherwise down you gooo) visceraeyes (might move him up, like his reads quite a lot actually (keirathi underwhelming etc) wait for next list veee, i got your back) null keirathi (weird defence on accused (exo etc), looks a bit tmiish, hard on for hapa and won't discuss anyone else, null null plz change (i did like you at the time but you fallen off completely and it looks worse now)) crossfire99 (honestly have no idea, he can write wall of texts as mafia from what i've seen and also be lurkyish, lack of defensiveness i'd probably equate to being town but would like some more) snarfs (not much to go on, his plan wasn't too bad but anyone can make that, his town list isn't that awful either, bit of a weird read on chez though but not sure i hate it so far, maybe up a bit later) chezitwo (meeeeeh?) scummy tier but not actually full blown scum WaveofShadow (plz don't be mafia :'( play with meeee and put some effort in when you're back, I wanna hear reasoned out reads plz) like wtf are you even doing scum tier hts bh damdred (very very underwhelming, probably down to mafia level, his town reads were on odd people who hadn't really done anything much (me, jat etc) it just looked really weird) genuinely scummy hapa (why................?) ls (said reasons quite a few times now, read game plz (his post was very very wishy washy and forced much like his last scum game, obi outlined that his rsoul push looked forced because he was using reads (associative) that he doesn't normally use, he tried to defend himself with meta that he already knew about (not pushing), the forced push for lame reasons combined with his post and then like total shut down and puppy spamming probably makes him mafia) 3p sl As it stands, Holyflare will be getting my vote. There's a lot of this list that I generally agree with. I'm actually very confused by Hapahauli's play, because it is almost too brazenly uninterested to be mafia. The thing that makes me think he is actually mafia in this spot is his quasi little push/statements on kita against Koshi. It was shallow and made me frown. On March 29 2015 10:11 Hapahauli wrote: This post and the couple preceding it.I'm saying that you gave a reason for Koshi to be town, and then somehow figured out a way to justify voting him. VayneAuthority is significantly too high for me and I'd be uncomfortable with him being in the top 3 slots in the vote. His posting reads intelligently and he's kinda pushing correct things in the thread, but I'm not seeing any off the wall thinking that I might expect from him. I don't know how to describe this very well, except maybe I'd expect him to be the one (if he were town) going along with kill Koshi, rather than taking the (actually correct) stance of saving Koshi. | ||
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I think we're more likely to make headway looking for mafia in HtS and Damdred who are more straightforward with their play. Both of what they've done suggests scum, but it's almost too obvious, so I'd like to see a lot more between now and the end of the day. | ||
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What is the monetary value of your lost item? | ||
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On March 29 2015 08:58 Chezitwo wrote: The only other thing I noted down (up to the point of this Trfel post) is that I was curious why Half the Sky liked kitaman, given how little kitaman has done. I don't really have a read on kitaman either way, and it's curious that HtS feels the need to pick him out as someone townie. Half the Sky is probably a pretty good shot at mafia. | ||
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