Aperture Mafia 4: This Time it's Personal

On March 28 2015 09:40 sicklucker wrote:


you know you just voted him for mayor right?

On March 28 2015 09:44 ritoky wrote:


Isn't there the loophole where every mafia votes for him and he is forced to lynch town? That doesn't seem like a winning strategy.

On March 28 2015 10:17 WaveofShadow wrote:

I can get on board with this.
yamato is my buddeh.

##vote: yamato77

On March 28 2015 10:33 LightningStrike wrote:
rsoultin I finding your entrance quite lackluster compared to XXX and other games you rolled town.

On March 28 2015 10:33 Koshi wrote:
btw I am going to vote for somebody who makes actual sense.

On March 28 2015 14:15 justanothertownie wrote:

lol, how on earth did you come to this conclusion? If anything the opposite is true.

On March 28 2015 10:02 Crossfire99 wrote:

Like I don't even know what to say to this. Ugh. If you really wanted to make the most of your role and be the best town you could be, then you should have tried to play well so you would get night killed assuming you are telling the truth. This is just so ridiculous...I don't care how bad you think you are. Just try and don't do stuff like this.

On March 28 2015 21:13 ExO_ wrote:


You could argue it's the same thing, but you need to find town more than mafia (for this particular day 1 setup). 3 really townie people specifically. I'd say its easier and more important to focus on finding and electing the 3 most townie people.

In my opinion getting really solid reads on scum is damn near impossible on day 1. It's a crapshoot of people spewing meta reads and bullshit. However I think certain people almost always stick out as super townie. Right now I'm not seeing the super town people. So until I think we're in the right direction as far getting townies elected that's what I'm going to focus on.

On March 28 2015 23:55 Koshi wrote:

I thought it sounded legit coming from The Meta Master himself.

Playing doto.

On March 29 2015 01:40 justanothertownie wrote:

Meta is one part of it. Another is this ridiculous bullshit he said about liking LS rsoultin read. I expect him to not be awful if he is town.

On March 29 2015 02:58 Holyflare wrote:
oh slam i got something for you

On March 29 2015 07:41 Koshi wrote:

True. Only 3 games in a row.

On March 29 2015 07:39 justanothertownie wrote:

I have never done this as scum. Not even once.

On March 29 2015 07:41 justanothertownie wrote:

So you missed how I went against Koshi for starters? That has to be the strongest push there was so far and you are telling me you completely missed that?

On March 29 2015 08:25 rsoultin wrote:


lol i've only played with him when he was scum...visit the database?

but honestly this idea that people not posting lots of words are scum is so starkingdoms

why are you ignoring slam the man?

On March 29 2015 09:58 justanothertownie wrote:

He is asking you why you want to lynch me and not him even though he is posting in a similar way.

On March 29 2015 08:41 ExO_ wrote:


Haven't looked at slam yet much tbh. What caught my eye with JAT is the consant quoting somebody with a single sentence saying "i agree".

On March 29 2015 10:21 Snarfs wrote:

No, hapa was here for the first 20 minutes then went afk. That hardly counts as showing up given how trolly the first parts of these games can be. Then Kita called him out like 17 hours later or so.

On March 29 2015 14:03 yamato77 wrote:
Hapa SEEMS lynchable... idk.

Hapa why?!

On March 29 2015 15:24 Alakaslam wrote:
VE gets this for this special notice:

On March 29 2015 15:21 Alakaslam wrote:

Oh, hey!

Senpai notices me!

On March 29 2015 22:15 rsoultin wrote:
lol alright still angryish at you lightningstrike but let's talk strategy ^^ yay strategy

i just placed my vote on koshi. i personally want to see the adventuring team consist of:

holyflare/koshi/alakaslam/batsnacks/myself

as my top townreads...don't think it's good enough for everyone to simply vote who they think should be warrior; let's take control of this shit

as for the lynch, maybe hapa is best i dunnae lol i'll come back with an actual pool on that to discuss

On March 30 2015 00:14 Alakaslam wrote:

I don't really like this post

On March 30 2015 06:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Answer my question?

Are you even reading this thread at all?

On March 30 2015 06:33 Alakaslam wrote:

I swear I have KP knowledge if I am willing to risk a few things, listen to me!

If this happens, the lyncher is going to die. BH can't get lynched look elsewhere.

Now, if you listen to me I'm good but if rsoultin decides to disbelieve me I will also need protection or I will also die a later cycle.

On March 30 2015 06:33 Alakaslam wrote:

I swear I have KP knowledge if I am willing to risk a few things, listen to me!

If this happens, the lyncher is going to die. BH can't get lynched look elsewhere.

Now, if you listen to me I'm good but if rsoultin decides to disbelieve me I will also need protection or I will also die a later cycle.

On March 30 2015 06:39 Alakaslam wrote:

THIS IS AN IDLE THREAT YOU FOOL; BH DIES: I DIE

SO LOL YOU FANGLESS THUU

On March 30 2015 06:28 Blazinghand wrote:


You're not the boss of me

also, I'm afraid to read snarf's filter, cause what if i read his filter and be like "hey this dude is town" then people are gonna lynch me instead right

On March 30 2015 06:39 Alakaslam wrote:

THIS IS AN IDLE THREAT YOU FOOL; BH DIES: I DIE

SO LOL YOU FANGLESS THUU

On March 30 2015 06:50 Alakaslam wrote:

I am saying BH cannot die this cycle or the implications for me, the lyncher, and ofc BH (and others but if I drop names is too risky, too risky!) is dead

On March 30 2015 06:33 Alakaslam wrote:

I swear I have KP knowledge if I am willing to risk a few things, listen to me!

If this happens, the lyncher is going to die. BH can't get lynched look elsewhere.

Now, if you listen to me I'm good but if rsoultin decides to disbelieve me I will also need protection or I will also die a later cycle.

On March 30 2015 07:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Onegu, you're not getting elected today. Talk about things that matter.

On March 30 2015 07:15 Alakaslam wrote:

Because you lack votes and I need VE to beat other ppl

On March 30 2015 07:16 Chezitwo wrote:

You scare me about as much as something extremely unscary.

Like a pink, inanimate, fluffy mouse, for example.

On March 30 2015 07:17 Alakaslam wrote:

no, he also noticed me

On March 30 2015 07:15 Alakaslam wrote:

Because you lack votes and I need VE to beat other ppl

On March 30 2015 07:20 Alakaslam wrote:

Because he is considering everyone, and because

How do you know what mechanics may impact my voting decisions, hmmm?

On March 30 2015 07:22 Alakaslam wrote:

Heck if you could beat Rsoul I'm down for this, but

you would have already beaten rsoul, so...

On October 20 2013 14:57 Blazinghand wrote:
don't lynch me

On October 20 2013 07:25 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah not having read the thread at all I think I can comfortably vote mocsta unless he's also an innocent townie somehow

##vote mocsta

On October 20 2013 15:09 Blazinghand wrote:
man that would require having read the thread. it's like my birthday a couple days ago and today I like went and hung out with my dad. I don't even know who's like in my house or who got shot or who even signed up for this game, i literally have not read thread.

On May 16 2014 09:41 Blazinghand wrote:
Sorry I'm actually like at dinner but after dinner I'll read. I don't see any reason to read things other than the filters of the other 2 mccains though since the last scum must be amongst us

On May 16 2014 14:33 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah same here. I might as well vote for posterity sake

##vote dicksmashcockguy

On May 17 2014 06:22 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah i haven't read anything thrawn cause the game is solved, I don't see why I need to? 3 blue claims, 3 lynches, scum is in the blue claims. is there any reason I need to be reading here?

On August 28 2014 10:49 Blazinghand wrote:
I haven't read the thread, because none of you worms are close enough to my level to merit my attention, and today is a lynch day.

On August 30 2014 02:55 Blazinghand wrote:
I have no illusions about whether or not I'm getting lynched. I don't have time to defend myself, so I'm getting lynched today, mostly becasue all you guys are too umad about how much I beat you at mafia to play a reasonable game. Ah well! You can apologize to me in post game

On August 30 2014 06:02 Blazinghand wrote:
dude i'm not reading 40 damn pages of posts, i'm at work. the only reason I could use the scanner is cause i'm the IT guy so I won't give myself crap for using it

On October 08 2014 01:30 Blazinghand wrote:
Hi guys, I've returned to the thread. I'm currently catching up, but I took a moment to observe that OO still hasn't posted anything of note, or anything at all really since I last mentioned him. This kind of lethargy and uninterest is not too uncommon for scum players, and might even be a scumtell for OO (someone earlier said that OO's meta as scum is to do nothing and be uninterested). Those of you who want me to formulate a case against OO, allow me to show you the entirety of his filter:








aaaand that's literally everything this guy has posted.

Surely everyone agrees with me here that someone like this can't possibly be allowed to live. Anyone complaining that people voting for an RNG target are opting out of the discourse, look at OO's filter and tell me with a straight face that he isn't also opting out of the discourse.

In any case, let me know if you guys have any questions or anything you want me to focus on as I catch up.

On October 08 2014 02:57 Blazinghand wrote:
Ok, I'm pretty much caught up on the thread, and it looks like there was some good action between hf/obi and storr/lian for me to check out. Before I dig in, I'd like to reaffirm my confidence that OO is the best lynch today.




Sure!

I like some of storr's case on lian. I agree that lian hasn't taken strong enough positions, and seems to have attempted to do weird things on the OO wagon. That being said, the fact that he and KSC are dubious of RNG does not imo make them scummy. I think Storr's case would make for something interesting to follow up on after the OO lynch. I don't want to draw associative tells between unflipped players, but basically I don't find doubting RNG to be inherently unreasonable. Trying to throw lots of doubt on it, then saying that "rng is a method for scum to be using", seems to be something a new player could reasonably believe. If OO flips mafia scum, I'll be much more suspicious of lian.

I think storr raises a good point that lian doesn't have aggressive reads. An important post to focus on is this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=28#544



Basically, KSC asks Lian, "what are you scumreads", which is a reasonable question (KSC gets some points for this). Lian's reply is a rambling list post that doesn't have a cohesive read to unify it, or a case. Storrzerg accurate points out that the post doesn't specify a top scumread very well. Storrzerg says it already, so I won't bother repeating:



The main point is that it was an awful list post. Yeah, this is good stuff. I like the storrzerg case. It's reasonable and liancourt doesn't look good. If I weren't so sure on this OO thing I'd consider voting liancourt. As it stands, I think we can deal with liancourt tomorrow.

I'm gonna not focus on KSC for a moment except to say:



When OO flips scum you can apologize to me for ever doubting RNG.

---

I realize things got a bit rambly there so I'll summarize real quick

1. I still think OO is the best lynch, as I've outlined.
1.5. I think it's pretty clear OO is doing some kind of lurk / low energy thing this game. We can anticipate him coming back sometime near the end of the day and claiming he was busy or something.
2. Storrzerg's case on liancourt points out liancourt's very scummy response to "what are your scumreads", making me interested in lynching liancourt tomorrow

On November 01 2014 09:06 Blazinghand wrote:
Ok I won't actually have time to make a real case between now and 2 hours from now when I promised I'd vote by. Some dinner issues came up. However, as the best player here I still have an obligation to lead town to victory, so I will lead, as I always do.

It seems clear to me that it's time for an RNG lynch.

So here's what happens

1) you all will follow me since I'm the best player here

2) I will lynch the guy via RNG as determined by this post (the one you're reading right now)'s post count modulo 9. Since so many people are posting at once on TL it's impossible for us to know what's going down. Basically, in addition to a "what post in this thread" post ID, each post has a unique sitewide id # that's increasing so quickly because of TL traffic, I can use it to RNG effectively.

I've done this before. It works. If you don't know what "modulo" means or how my rng lynch works after this explantion, you are not mathematically and educationally qualified to claim that this lynch is not RNG. In the past game, this has lynched scum 100% of the time and it caused town to basically win. You can't deny RNG.



In this case,
1 = OWS
2 = LT

etc etc all the way up to

16 = HF
0 = JB

(since a multiple of 14 modulo 14 is 0, not 14).

+ Show Spoiler [player list] +

there is no force on earth that can persuade me that RNG lynch is sub-optimal. bow before the RNG lynch. behold its glory and its horror and all of its majesty

On November 02 2014 07:07 Blazinghand wrote:


The whole point or RNG, GB, is that I don't have control over who is lynched. Nobody does. It's RNG. If it was "I'm gonna use RNG, but only follow up on it if the guy is a lurker", that wouldn't be RNG, that would be "BH likes to talk about RNG but when the chips are down he folds" and I am not a guy who folds when the chips are down. I take RNG seriously, and yes, sometimes RNG lands on an active scum instead of a passive scum. That doesn't make it less valid.



Fair enough. Look at how GB has responded to RNG this game. Most people who don't like RNG just dismiss it, or call it bad (which eventually, it seeems he did). What GB isntead has done has said it was "disruptive" somehow (even though basically i was the only one voting along those lines) and responded with a counterattack against me. Is this how a town player, one who is familiar with RNG, would react? Why not just call RNG bad? Why not just call me scum for using RNG? Why call attention to the fact that RNG is disruptive to the town discourse, or say that it's unusually bad becuase it landed on him? This is not how my thought process would go if I were RNGed as town and I think it shows us that GB is scum.



Eh, I wasn't really planning to do it, but it turned out I had to go to dinner and didn't have enough time to do any other voting strategy or do a bigger analysis of the thread. I'm 100% sure I already said this. Didn' you read my filter?



Explain?

On March 30 2015 07:01 Half the Sky wrote:
I am assuming you've had more exposure to him as a player than I have had in my scant two games alongside him.

On March 30 2015 07:25 Alakaslam wrote:

this should be scary

On March 30 2015 07:29 Alakaslam wrote:
YES KITA's POST IS GOOD

I AM DOWN WITH THE SICKNESS TO LYNCH BH

LATER

On March 30 2015 07:30 Alakaslam wrote:
I REALLY DONT WANT TO LOSE OUR WARRIOR IMMEDIATELY AND REQUIRE A BUNCH OF MEDIC PROTECTS TO SURVIVE!!

On March 30 2015 07:33 Alakaslam wrote:

You know what?

Fuck it.

Lynch BH.

Lose the warrior.

Lose me.

On March 30 2015 07:34 Alakaslam wrote:
Nobody is being the good senpai.

I said it as well as I can already.

The one who lynches BH will DIE FIRST

Then

I will DIE LATER unless protected.

I SAY IT IS MORE IMPORTANT NOT LOSING THE WARRIOR?!?!? BUT YOU PPL DONT CARE

On March 30 2015 07:35 Keirathi wrote:

wat

On March 30 2015 07:36 Keirathi wrote:

Then why the fuck did you join the game?

On March 30 2015 07:39 Alakaslam wrote:
Man, I'm bout ready to just give up and let it happen.

On March 30 2015 07:41 Alakaslam wrote:

How hte hell many medics do we have?

WAIT I DONT WANT TO FIND OUT FIRST

How the hell can I make an informed risk/payoff decision then?

Nah.

On March 30 2015 07:44 Alakaslam wrote:

Nope, I'm not. I think there is a scum or 3P action on us BH.

On March 30 2015 07:46 Alakaslam wrote:

you sTILL don't get it.

I can't just claim at will without garnering kp.

On March 30 2015 07:49 Blazinghand wrote:


so specifically mine is a mild rolecop (returns category of power, like healing, killing, roleblocking, etc) and is linked to 2 otehr roles in the game, Sherlock and Morioarity. All 3 of us recieve each other's checks, but NOT each other's targets. I'm not sure if they're ALSO rolecops, or what. My guess is Sherlock is an alignment cop or a name cop so that our powers can work together if we get into PMs together.

My checking is compulsive, since ther esults go to all 3 of us. I can choose to not get my own result back, and instead learn who someone's target was. So normally I get this:

My own result
Sherl's result
Mor's result

I can choose to get this:

Sher's result
Mor''s result
who either sherl or mor targeted

and i don't see what my own result was

On March 30 2015 07:52 Trfel wrote:
Wait, this is why I am being lynched???

This makes no sense. Town needs to eliminate third party. And again, I would take a very good chance at killing third party over a random shot at killing mafia.

I didn't make a read on Hapahauli, I didn't make a read on Half the Sky. My "zzzz" about Hapahauli both means that I was bored of his play (he wasn't doing anything), and I was extremely bored of all of the focus and discussion about him. As for Half the Sky, I want her to not be lynched so I have more time to read her. I feel that she is easy to read after some time, but with her being busy for the first portion of the game, that time wasn't provided.

I stood up to the wave of people trying to lynch LightningStrike. And you call that non-committal? If LightningStrike is lynched and flips mafia, I look really bad for that.

On March 31 2015 03:49 VisceraEyes wrote:

Like Lestrad didn't even do anything he was a bumbling idiot.

On March 31 2015 03:51 VisceraEyes wrote:

Nah I'm currently in the camp that you're telling the truth but that your role doesn't actually function as a cop - it's just convenient that your name says "Detective" at the beginning.

On March 31 2015 03:57 Alakaslam wrote:
I was BH's defender

I now call for Vig on him. The destiny bond stuff is over, I have said this but ppl don't read.

It was one cycle

On March 31 2015 13:05 WaveofShadow wrote:

This is you JAT.
(Bonus points to whoever gets the reference)

On April 01 2015 03:14 Alakaslam wrote:
OK, well this is interesting.

I am serious, we should vote out GLaDOS

On April 01 2015 03:17 Alakaslam wrote:

I don't know, in reference to what?

On April 01 2015 03:19 Alakaslam wrote:

no, i don't think he is scum anymore.

On April 01 2015 03:26 Alakaslam wrote:

Or free me to eliminate that redcheck and any other redcheck quite quickly at the cost of dealing delayed kp to myself

On April 01 2015 03:31 Alakaslam wrote:
I do have cause to think otherwise.

GLaDOS is a mechanic.

4. You may (not) vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game.

On April 01 2015 10:32 Alakaslam wrote:

No lol, only half.

I actually did it by accident when the GLaDOS train was getting steam. I realized if we lynched glados, I would only get a nominal victory. I want to go for the bamcis mission accomplished ness

On April 01 2015 10:38 rsoultin wrote:
we are being open?

exo accidentally gave something meant for me to slam...i have no clue why slam thought it was a good idea to use it

what else are you confused about?

On April 01 2015 10:50 Alakaslam wrote:

No, no bullshit sson. I WAS townsiding hard but you and kita would not work with me and wos didn't use the ability we had at all.

No, actually if people had listened to those hams, maybe I'd be a credit to the town instead.

Indeed I am still trying, DESPITE being screwed enough to have to do

Well

To think I had to do this. If I changed my story too much, y'all woulda lynched me for being scum.

Anyway.

My honest reads are Koshi being scum, kita/JAT/rsoultin/Blazinghand/VE/Keir all indisputably town.

Plus, btw, I did the towniest thing: I saved BH ass. I didn't have to risk that you know, but I did because I townread him.

As for the scum, guys believe me, I have helped you out- admit it!

If you NK me you waste a shot, for what- being vindictive?
Whereas I'll be gone at the end of the night as it is. It's like extra KP. Be happy.

Anyway, will keep things posted.

On April 01 2015 10:55 Alakaslam wrote:

I know! And if I was actually town with that ability, can you expect me to feel otherwise? I had to hope you would say "no, strong read on (player), shoot him I will try to get you mediced" and be right; of you shot town I would have been in really deep trouble.

So I figured, gotta lynch GLaDOS

Then, I noticed something else and decided to release the (redacted) qtpie spirit

By the way, love the name, (redacted)

On April 01 2015 10:50 Alakaslam wrote:

No, no bullshit sson. I WAS townsiding hard but you and kita would not work with me and wos didn't use the ability we had at all.

No, actually if people had listened to those hams, maybe I'd be a credit to the town instead.

Indeed I am still trying, DESPITE being screwed enough to have to do

Well

To think I had to do this. If I changed my story too much, y'all woulda lynched me for being scum.

Anyway.

My honest reads are Koshi being scum, kita/JAT/rsoultin/Blazinghand/VE/Keir all indisputably town.

Plus, btw, I did the towniest thing: I saved BH ass. I didn't have to risk that you know, but I did because I townread him.

As for the scum, guys believe me, I have helped you out- admit it!

If you NK me you waste a shot, for what- being vindictive?
Whereas I'll be gone at the end of the night as it is. It's like extra KP. Be happy.

Anyway, will keep things posted.

On April 01 2015 10:59 Alakaslam wrote:

Sson! You come charging in, IMMA FUKIN KILL UOU M8 IMMA KILL U

like damn I submitted a night shot ability on you as a day shot from pure fear, lol

Figured I would deal with the repercussion later after I could at least live to ask for medic saves after throwing out a guess. Or I could try to legit get more info

On April 01 2015 11:01 Alakaslam wrote:

Well see, but then I also would have to convince people to medic me, twice as much as if I just took a shot myself.

On April 01 2015 11:04 Alakaslam wrote:

No Nono, you don't understand. My role is inherently scum sided abit. You would have lynched me.

On April 01 2015 11:08 Alakaslam wrote:

when I said that you were already deeply distrusting me.

On April 01 2015 11:13 VayneAuthority wrote:
Holyflare if you want to talk then PM me and ill give you my role at full disclosure regardless of your alignment, im bored and the JAT clown circus bores me even more.

I thought kita had a brain but apparently he is brainwashed too

On April 01 2015 11:12 Alakaslam wrote:

he has said nothing to me.

THat I remember. I had a lot of ppl talking to me.

On April 01 2015 11:18 Keirathi wrote:
Also, can someone give me a good reason for why Kita is town?!?

On April 02 2015 05:32 justanothertownie wrote:

Look at the picture he posted. It isn't important.