On March 29 2015 02:20 WaveofShadow wrote: I meant the topic of koshi
And yeah Jat you're really all about just lynching the people who aren't doing shit today huh?
I have been figured out. Yeah, especially if the people who aren't doing shit today usually are doing shit as town. If Hapa plays as town he is incredibly helpful. If Koshi plays as town he is at least obviously town. So I will lynch both of them unless they are doing something.
On March 29 2015 02:22 Koshi wrote: No JAT is about being a giant asshole and not trying to find mafia using any form of logic. Nothing he accuses people of his mafia, it is just stuff.
So am I scum for it, Koshi? ^_^ During all your complaining and whining in this game you never even gave a read on me.
OK so i watched this video. We need to talk to koshi like a human being and show some empathy and validate his emotions. We need to offer him the chance to play the game again.
Koshi. Be a bro man.
"Don't keep laughing about her..." Not sure if possible here.
On March 29 2015 03:04 Keirathi wrote: He has an entire filter of townie posts. Even if you want to think that one post was weird it doesn't override the fact that he's one of the towniest motherfuckers in this game.
Oh, please....
On March 29 2015 03:26 Onegu wrote: Lol jat I'm more obv town than you atm.
Sorry dude, but you aren't capable of being obvious town :/
On March 29 2015 00:06 Onegu wrote: See my reason for voting BH is awesome!
Well I do understand it now, however that doesn't change the fact that we don't need to waste our vote on a probable modkill.
From what I'm gathering his actions also don't really have anything to do with his alignment (considering people saw this coming beforehand), so I think we could probably do better.
How did you gather this?
Because Blazinghand/Onegu motioned to policy lynch him before his latest bunch of posts that made everybody (me admittedly included) want to get rid of him.
Ok. But BH and Onegu want to policy lynch him for being an annoyingly aggressive and aggressively wrong lunatic in his last games as town. As you can see he is the opposite this game which indicates that he is scum. He isn't able to emulate his townplay as scum at all.
Btw I really don't like this post feels like he knows I'm town. Like if I was scum I would want a josh I who I know can't read me for shit in this game. This stinks of TMI to me
I don't even.... what do you think is TMI here? This post doesn't make the least bit of sense.
On March 29 2015 03:41 Damdred wrote: Do you think that LS is town currently I know you have a good read on him usually? And I know hes calling you scum what do you think of him? Also could you talk a bit more about bats and tell me what you specifically like about him?
Huh?
On March 29 2015 04:29 VayneAuthority wrote: I'm not sure how you can even begin to read anything into that opening post. its just one of those typical posts nobody gives a shit about but people think mafia is their blog or something. Idk how you can dislike it on a mafia level though.
On March 29 2015 04:37 VayneAuthority wrote: completely neutral and a good post to ignore unless she actually doesnt come back and post anything as from what ive seen her town and mafia play are like night and day..
On March 29 2015 04:56 Half the Sky wrote: I've scanned/read up to page 30 and my general thoughts so far:
Votes for the party: Any of ExO, Keirathi, HF or Kitaman would do.
Keirarthi seems pretty straightforward, and I like ExO's general approach/tone to his game. Kitaman seems to have the same approach (picking out scummy points as he can) as he has had in his town games in Carol and JOAT, and I am quite comfortable with him, even if he doesn't post that much. I'm also fine with HF's train of thought, and tone-wise he appears to be speaking naturally.
Willing to lynch (so far): Hapa and Koshi.
Now I've not played with Hapa before, but I get the impression (and call me out if I'm wrong) that as a vet and as a reputable player, he should be doing way more as town. He's taken a platform of lynching BH when BH already said pre-game he wasn't RNGing his vote. Which is problematic.
And Koshi generally has a scum meta of doing jack all, and unlike JOAT, where he was modkilled as town, I don't recall RL reasons for him not contributing as much in this game.
More to come.
How come you are blatantly sheeping my reads but aren't mentioning me at all?
On March 29 2015 07:33 ExO_ wrote: JAT could you give me some actual reads? Like without quoting somebody else and telling me what you thought of their thoughts.
About sicklucker. Why is it scummy if he wants to be cleric? Assuming the cleric is a protective role? I think town!sicklucker would benefit from that role because he is rarely a nightkill.
I don't see any reason why sicklucker is mafia Trfel. For wanting to be cleric? Dnu. Did he hardclaim anything?
# yes vet
Is it true that sicklucker stopped campaigning to be cleric?
On March 29 2015 07:38 Koshi wrote: omg is this another game in which scum!jat says the exact same things as townies and then pretends it's an accident.
On March 29 2015 07:33 ExO_ wrote: JAT could you give me some actual reads? Like without quoting somebody else and telling me what you thought of their thoughts.
Are you serious?
Yeah. Unless I missed something in the pages I haven't read yet, all you've been doing (in my opinion) is quoting other people and saying what you've thought of their thoughts. That was the case when I went to sleep, and I wake up and here you are again doing the same thing.
Like do you post something that takes information and draws conclusions from it, or do you just thumb up and thumb down everybody elses posts?'
So you missed how I went against Koshi for starters? That has to be the strongest push there was so far and you are telling me you completely missed that?
On March 29 2015 07:38 Koshi wrote: omg is this another game in which scum!jat says the exact same things as townies and then pretends it's an accident.
I have never done this as scum. Not even once.
True. Only 3 games in a row.
No, literally never. And you repeating this horseshit again and again does not make it true.
On March 29 2015 07:38 Koshi wrote: omg is this another game in which scum!jat says the exact same things as townies and then pretends it's an accident.
I have never done this as scum. Not even once.
True. Only 3 games in a row.
No, literally never. And you repeating this horseshit again and again does not make it true.
Excuse me, can I butt in?
I think you are talking about giraffe shit
Is that bigger than horseshit? Or does it smell worse? You could have a point here then.
On March 29 2015 07:38 Koshi wrote: omg is this another game in which scum!jat says the exact same things as townies and then pretends it's an accident.
I have never done this as scum. Not even once.
True. Only 3 games in a row.
HOwever, this is also right
No, it is not right. I have NEVER intentionally posted the same thing a townie posted as scum like Koshi said last game or this game. Not even once. End of discussion.
On March 29 2015 06:50 Keirathi wrote: VE: There's basically no way a scum ExO made that post I was talking about. Scum marv/rayn/hf/jat? Absolutely. But look at all of his other posts. That's the only post where he's being snarky, everything else is him posting cautiously/carefully.
Hmm...how to say what I'm trying to say...
Basically, in general if people are posting cautiously/carefully as scum, they don't suddenly break out into snark-mode just to poke at one of the vets. I find it very, very unlikely that ExO_ did that "just to find something to call out" as you put it.
What about exo's filter made you feel like he was posting cautiously/carefully?
On March 28 2015 11:56 ExO_ wrote:
On March 28 2015 11:53 rsoultin wrote:
On March 28 2015 11:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 28 2015 10:54 rsoultin wrote: [quote]
get out of my head xP
*gets on ur head instead*
Have a taste of ur own medicine woman!
nuuu!
-sits on head- my throne! mine!
leaning town on lightningstrike lol his usual metaread for me is "she's too happy to be scum" so i can believe he thinks he's right here. more to the point, i don't see a scum!lightningstrike being this aggressive
idk in Guardians he did something similar with "meta" reads when he said something along the lines of "I think ExO is town based on the Student Game we played last". Granted, now he's reading scum where in Guardians he was reading me as town.
Still doing that same silly kinda meta reading back to back as scum would be silly, so maybe I'm just over thinking it.
On March 28 2015 20:48 ExO_ wrote: I think we're getting a bit distracted. The little squabble HF/Rsoultin is having isn't being productive right now. And while it's important to find scum I think it's more important to focus on who we're electing today. It's a bit rough right now since this game seems to really be off to a slow star and we've yet to here from a lot of people.
On March 28 2015 22:10 ExO_ wrote:
On March 28 2015 21:41 Holyflare wrote: Bla bla mechanics. Tell me what you got from interactions don't ignore what I'm saying artanis
I've gotten very little. I'm leaning town on rsoultin. I lean town on you as well, but not as much as rsoultin.
Everybody else? Almost nothing. If you held a gun to my head and told me to pick scum I'd probably say JAT right now. He's answering questions and responding which I like, but he's not really adding information. He's not offering anything just reacting to what's there. It's the kinda thing that I think looks decent but isn't really helping town at all.
Basically he's just hiding around the sidelines saying soft/safe/obvious things. It's all very different from that one post where he called VE out.
I thought the mayor campaign was pretty loud and out there but I see what you're saying I think with the safe/obvious things. That said I still don't understand town reading him.
Like, maybe you can null read him because he has contributed more to talk about than others? I personally don't understand town reading him though.
I had a lot of fun posting the fallout propaganda. And yeah I'd love it if somebody said "that was cool, I'll elect ExO over it". But I wasn't honestly expecting it. That being said:
Are you kidding me? ofc I want mayor (or warrior/rogue/cleric in this case). No offense, but I trust myself more than anybody else here. I'm not in the "TL mafia cool kids club" so me getting elected is practically impossible, but that's not gonna stop me from at least trying to get mayor. I agree with doing a community vote, and getting people elected who are going to do what the entire town wants. I know I'll follow it. But half the people here in TL mafia think they are the smartest people in the world and won't do what the majority wants because "they know better".
I'm not "kidding you" I don't even understand what you're going on about. Your mayor campaign has nothing to do with why I'm scum reading you, I only pointed out your campaign because keirathi said you were being safe/agreeable and your mayor campaign was not consistent with that. I'm scum reading you because I think your game plan today is scummy.
Which part of my gameplan? I think the only thing I've said is I believe it's more important to find 3 town right now because that's who we are voting for. And I stand by that. Like I know there's a lot of egos in here that need to prove they can find scum on day 1, but a lot of day 1 reads are based on crap. There hasn't been a single case I've read yet that makes me go "yep that's super scummy".
However I think by the end of day 1 I'll have a pretty good idea of 3 people out of 27 that are really oozing town. So that's what I'm more interested in. Does that mean I think we shouldn't scum hunt? No, the scum discussion help reveal who is town who isn't. As I said earlier, scum hunting and figuring out who is town is kinda the same thing to a certain extent. But as town we need to be more focused on making sure the right people get elected today. Because that's what the votes are for today.
If day 1 reads are based on crap then how are you finding townies if not for reasons based on crap?
Step 1 is hunt scum, it isn't election politics and it isn't town reads.
You are obviously right and I don't get why people are still discussing this in a general way.
On March 29 2015 07:33 ExO_ wrote: JAT could you give me some actual reads? Like without quoting somebody else and telling me what you thought of their thoughts.
Are you serious?
Yeah. Unless I missed something in the pages I haven't read yet, all you've been doing (in my opinion) is quoting other people and saying what you've thought of their thoughts. That was the case when I went to sleep, and I wake up and here you are again doing the same thing.
Like do you post something that takes information and draws conclusions from it, or do you just thumb up and thumb down everybody elses posts?'
So you missed how I went against Koshi for starters? That has to be the strongest push there was so far and you are telling me you completely missed that?
I read this and clicked your filter, fully expecting to have to come back and apologize for not having read it all yet. I was very mistaken in that thought. Your case on Koshi I don't find compelling at all. Especially the parts where you are okay lynching him even if he is town.
you're filter is about 80% other people's quoted words, 20% your own. You rarely post more than one sentence at a time. To me it looks like you're just taking everyone else's words, saying a few more of your own, and that's it. You're not bringing anything to the table that somebody else doesn't first bring. Except this little "push" on Koshi, and there's hardly anything there to justify it. Other than Koshi can't help but get modkilled sometimes.
The only point I'd agree with you on is it's not right for Koshi wanting to redeem himself by getting lynched. But I don't believe it's scum alignment indicative.
So why does this make me scum or do you just have a problem with the way I play? Because this is the way I play and I had success with it. I won't change it for you.
On March 29 2015 07:33 ExO_ wrote: JAT could you give me some actual reads? Like without quoting somebody else and telling me what you thought of their thoughts.
Are you serious?
Yeah. Unless I missed something in the pages I haven't read yet, all you've been doing (in my opinion) is quoting other people and saying what you've thought of their thoughts. That was the case when I went to sleep, and I wake up and here you are again doing the same thing.
Like do you post something that takes information and draws conclusions from it, or do you just thumb up and thumb down everybody elses posts?'
So you missed how I went against Koshi for starters? That has to be the strongest push there was so far and you are telling me you completely missed that?
I read this and clicked your filter, fully expecting to have to come back and apologize for not having read it all yet. I was very mistaken in that thought. Your case on Koshi I don't find compelling at all. Especially the parts where you are okay lynching him even if he is town.
you're filter is about 80% other people's quoted words, 20% your own. You rarely post more than one sentence at a time. To me it looks like you're just taking everyone else's words, saying a few more of your own, and that's it. You're not bringing anything to the table that somebody else doesn't first bring. Except this little "push" on Koshi, and there's hardly anything there to justify it. Other than Koshi can't help but get modkilled sometimes.
The only point I'd agree with you on is it's not right for Koshi wanting to redeem himself by getting lynched. But I don't believe it's scum alignment indicative.
So why does this make me scum or do you just have a problem with the way I play? Because this is the way I play and I had success with it. I won't change it for you.
I think you're making a lot of low effort posts that increase filter size without actually saying much or adding to town. You're not really scum hunting, or offering any new ideas, only quoting other people's ideas.
Therefore yes, I think it's scummy.
Open any of my towngames and see how my posts look like there and then tell me that it is scummy again. If you can only work with big listposts and wall of texts that says more about you than about me.
EPT
