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On March 30 2015 10:29 ExO_ wrote: Hey guys. I stayed awake far too early into the morning today and have spent most of the day sleeping. I have just woken up and am behind by something like 50 pages. I see the results of the day, other than that what have I missed? i claimed Lestrade and revealed that Sherlock and Moriarity exist. | ||
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On March 30 2015 23:45 Half the Sky wrote: My mistake, I'd forgotten about the BH claim when I was going through the filter. HF's filter seemed jumpy just reading it though, even leaving BH out of the argument I was trying to connect his thought process from going from hapa to sl. I find this believable and probably evidence HtS is town. I'm gonna lay it out and say Scum is very unlikely to forget that I'm a cop | ||
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On March 30 2015 23:58 justanothertownie wrote: I don't want to take away your illusions but I am pretty sure bats sent those <3s to everyone ^^ I got one. On March 31 2015 00:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Btw kita, wasn't BH concerned about one of his three being mafia earlier? Given how our roles are set up form a balance perspective i'm like 90% sure one of us is mafia. IT could be Morty or Sherl, since i've been reminded that Grey likes to screw around with flavor. | ||
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On March 31 2015 00:59 VayneAuthority wrote: pretty sure were lynching BH tomorrow and im not wasting my KP on a target like that. If I don't shoot people like damdred there just gonna skate by cause people forget about them, >:| I'll just have to find a better target then. I'm slightly hoping I'll get vigied so I don't have to put in effort but something tells me I'm just gonna get RBed and I'll have to do an amazing asspull and catch like 90 mafia tomorrow in order to live On March 31 2015 01:07 justanothertownie wrote: This is a really really bad plan and almost looks like mafia agenda. I never thought I'd say this, but I agree with JAT. Also people who think that "too many blues" is like a thing that will happen in this game need a reality check. Plus at least one of the trifecta has gotta be scum. neither morty nor sherl has claimed to me via pm btw. thinking about whether I should claim my target before EoN. On March 31 2015 01:10 LightningStrike wrote: It makes sense for me since I a investigative role and there is like 1% chance that there is 3 town investigative roles and 2 is the most I seen in most games and considering we got pms it seem a little to much I think knowing I almost lost at MYLO in a pm game in Office Mini taking out scum!sicklucker on the final day as a Cop. you are aware this is a greymist game right, or are you just trying to lynch as many cops as possible | ||
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On March 31 2015 03:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Words cannot express the depth of my disbelief in your claim of being a cop. you really think I fakeclaimed a role with 2 counterparts? what kind of insane player would do that? ...hmm, actually that IS the kind of thing I'd do as scum. Then I'd laugh at all the newbs in post game for believing me. gah | ||
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On March 31 2015 01:11 Chezitwo wrote: Given BH's role suggests there are 3 separate investigative roles that are not your own, why is BH mafia and not one of those other 2 roles (Sherlock, Moriarty)? cause LS wants to lynch as many cops as possible and he doesn't know who Sherl and Morty are On March 31 2015 01:13 Chezitwo wrote: Could Moriarty please claim to me in PMs? Or if you do not think I am town, claim to jat. And if you think neither of us are town, then I can't help you. And if you're mafia you're probably not going to claim but that will make BH look better by extension. The reason I choose Moriarty is because *usually* baddies are baddies in Greymist games, even though mafia will be given fakeclaims. did this ever pan out? On March 31 2015 01:15 Chezitwo wrote: BH's roleclaim explicitly mentions there are two other investigative roles that he will receive results for - Sherlock and Moriarty. this is correct, and I will report the results (though I won't know who they targeted) at day start. On March 31 2015 01:47 Snarfs wrote: I think BH should claim his result, not his target. That way town gets all the same information that scum would assuming BH is town. this is a good idea. Barring anything strange happening or someone convincing me, I will 100% claim my result at D1, and claim my target only if I think it's appropriate (Ie finding out someone is lying about their role, etc) | ||
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On March 31 2015 02:26 Holyflare wrote: let's just say that with bh's claim there are about 5 cops in this game so i think one of them is lying if you pay close attention you'll find I think that one of the group of three I'm in is scum On March 31 2015 02:29 VisceraEyes wrote: I'd like people to explain why they disliked Snarfs as a lynch. this would interest me as welll On March 31 2015 02:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Koshi why the fuck aren't you reading Keir mafia? Koshi is a wonderful lovely guy but can't be relied on for anything On March 31 2015 02:55 kitaman27 wrote: You speak of this as fact. Is this fact or an assumption? it's an assumption, but it's a solid as fuck one. If all three of us were town cops, then it's not particularly INTERESTING that we all get each other's claims, in addition to balance issues. GreyMist is a lot of things, but he's not BORING about roles. I can't possibly imagine making all three of us town. | ||
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On March 31 2015 02:57 WaveofShadow wrote: So now you're hedging your scum read on the absolute reliability of all of your other reads? Jeez. Remind me why you're useful alive again? yeah, this is unflipped association which is weird. It's fine to attack someone for reads or lack of reads, but it's another thing to do whatever it is Koshi is doing. Given Koshi's level of skill this isn't alignment indicative but we should proooobably lynch him anyways so he stops talking. On March 31 2015 03:19 Koshi wrote: WoS is obvious mafia. He is mafia for so many reasons there is a 1% chance he is town. The 1% is just him being really fucking terrible as town. Which can happen to anybody. 1) his waffle on Hapa (who is scum, but it is regardless of alignment) 2) His read on Yamato (which didn't make sense) 3) his emotionless play. Especially the non whining. 4) He should read Hapa and BH as scum, kita maybe, but he is attacking me for saying those 2 (3) are scum. 5) ... I could find more. BH is obvious mafia. He could be really mad at me, and maybe it is justified (but it isn't) but at this point he is overdoing the mad thing and is not solving the game anymore. Even Alakaslam knows BH is off. (btw Alakaslam is town) Hapa is making sure he can survivor claim. Kill him. But I would kill above 2 first. I'm not mad at you, I'm mad at myself because I didn't notice you /inned in time to /out before game start. On March 31 2015 03:25 Trfel wrote: I'm third party. Not mafia. Please don't kill me? not convincing in the slightest. Full roleclaim plox | ||
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On March 31 2015 03:34 Trfel wrote: Look at how good my predictions are. I really think you should keep me around. what's your read on me? surely you have an opinion by now. I'm a hot item. | ||
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On March 31 2015 03:49 VisceraEyes wrote: Like Lestrad didn't even do anything he was a bumbling idiot. >:{ that's not very nice! On March 31 2015 03:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Nah I'm currently in the camp that you're telling the truth but that your role doesn't actually function as a cop - it's just convenient that your name says "Detective" at the beginning. ok but I'm literally a detective, 2 people will get my result, and I'll get their results and be able to post them at the start of D2 so I don't see the problem. not sure what parts of my role an RB would block, now that I tihnk about it. I definitely still will make an investigation I Think since I'm compulsive On March 31 2015 03:57 Alakaslam wrote: I was BH's defender I now call for Vig on him. The destiny bond stuff is over, I have said this but ppl don't read. It was one cycle oh come on let me get one check in!!! though i'd rather get shot than lynched for epeen reasons | ||
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On March 31 2015 04:08 Trfel wrote: Sorry. I haven't read the part of the game in which you were posting yet. ok what do you think of my claim then | ||
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On March 31 2015 04:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes Keirathi isn't being talked about at all. (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ I'm done with this game. I'll talk about Keirathi! I don't seem to remember any posts by him so I'll do a filter dive and see what's up | ||
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So D1 he rolls out with a precon mayoral run post (link) with no actual platform. No read here, he constructed this pre-game probably. He scumreads Hapa for claiming not-wizard [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23981706](link)[/urk] for which I'd give him some cred but he seems trolling in his followup. He makes some noises with Onegu and ExO_ about the election [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23981750](link)[/url] [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23981755](link)[/url] [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23981767](link)[/url] which show he's paying attention and has read the OP, at least. His followup for his preconstructed mayoral run post is joking around as well [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23981780]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23981780[/url] [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23981941]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23981941[/url] and he has a scumread [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23981957](link)[/url] on VE for electing Yamato and rejecting him, which again seems joking. [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23981974](link)[/url]. His response to ritoky [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23981979](link)[/url] seems genuine though, but you don't see him scumreading WoS even though WoS does the same thing as VE [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23982057](link)[/url] which means his thought process isn't as he revealed earlier. He then like, obviates most of what he said earlier by claiming to be a troll [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23982068](link)[/url]. It seems like he gets serious after this, and tells LS that scum wouldn't no-lynch in either situation, which doesn't sound strictly accurate, since why not save a teammate? He does end on the right note, though, which is to auto-lynch a rogue who no-lynches. Still, I see this as largely scum-motivated as it tells people "don't be afraid to vote for scum into the rogue role" which is NOT the message people should be hearing [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23982112](link)[/url]. For this as his first serious post I don't like Keir. Meta defense, and hilariously, Meta defense based on unflipped associative tells. What a cluster. [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23982230](link)[/url] and also the kind of thing you can be one hundro percent wrong on and get no flak for. scumpoint for that. I like his smackdown on LS but since he's just pointing out facts I don't give him scumpoints for the glorious destruciton of LS' points. [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23982242](link)[/url] [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23982249](link)[/url]. more trolling [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23982316](link)[/url] and a tacit admittance that his scumreads are troll reads [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23982321](link)[/url]. The next serious analysis he does is saying they should wait on crossfire [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23982795](link)[/url] before scumreading him, and a call-out [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23982809](link)[/url] for which he gets some credit. He defends exo and brings up evidence [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23985510](link)[/url], which is possibly the best thing he's done so far in terms of "helping the town" because he's taking a solid stane. [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23987014](link)[/url]. I don't think this overtakes his suggestions on the rogue election which misleads town. I want to take a moment to address Keirathi's defense of ExO_ [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23987081](link)[/url]. He says, [QUOTE]On March 29 2015 07:04 Keirathi wrote: [QUOTE]On March 29 2015 06:57 batsnacks wrote: [QUOTE]On March 29 2015 06:50 Keirathi wrote: VE: There's basically no way a scum ExO made that post I was talking about. Scum marv/rayn/hf/jat? Absolutely. But look at all of his other posts. That's the only post where he's being snarky, everything else is him posting cautiously/carefully. Hmm...how to say what I'm trying to say... Basically, in general if people are posting cautiously/carefully as scum, they don't suddenly break out into snark-mode just to poke at one of the vets. I find it very, very unlikely that ExO_ did that "just to find something to call out" as you put it.[/QUOTE] What about exo's filter made you feel like he was posting cautiously/carefully? [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On March 28 2015 11:56 ExO_ wrote: [QUOTE]On March 28 2015 11:53 rsoultin wrote: [QUOTE]On March 28 2015 11:51 VisceraEyes wrote: [QUOTE]On March 28 2015 10:54 rsoultin wrote: [QUOTE]On March 28 2015 10:50 VisceraEyes wrote: [QUOTE]On March 28 2015 10:49 sicklucker wrote: [QUOTE]On March 28 2015 10:02 Crossfire99 wrote: [QUOTE]On March 28 2015 09:56 sicklucker wrote: Ok so I have veteran powers and im never a nk. So ill just hardclaim so we have a confirmed town as mayor[/QUOTE] Like I don't even know what to say to this. Ugh. If you really wanted to make the most of your role and be the best town you could be, then you should have tried to play well so you would get night killed assuming you are telling the truth. This is just so ridiculous...I don't care how bad you think you are. Just try and don't do stuff like this.[/QUOTE] People dont respect my town game im never a nk[/QUOTE] If I had to guess, I'd say that "preemptively explaining why you weren't nightkilled" falls under the "stuff he doesn't like" category...[/QUOTE] get out of my head xP[/QUOTE] *gets on ur head instead* Have a taste of ur own medicine woman![/QUOTE] nuuu! -sits on head- my throne! mine! leaning town on lightningstrike lol his usual metaread for me is "she's too happy to be scum" so i can believe he thinks he's right here. more to the point, i don't see a scum!lightningstrike being this aggressive[/QUOTE] idk in Guardians he did something similar with "meta" reads when he said something along the lines of "I think ExO is town based on the Student Game we played last". Granted, now he's reading scum where in Guardians he was reading me as town. Still doing that same silly kinda meta reading back to back as scum would be silly, so maybe I'm just over thinking it.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On March 28 2015 20:48 ExO_ wrote: I think we're getting a bit distracted. The little squabble HF/Rsoultin is having isn't being productive right now. And while it's important to find scum I think it's more important to focus on who we're electing today. It's a bit rough right now since this game seems to really be off to a slow star and we've yet to here from a lot of people.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On March 28 2015 22:10 ExO_ wrote: [QUOTE]On March 28 2015 21:41 Holyflare wrote: Bla bla mechanics. Tell me what you got from interactions don't ignore what I'm saying artanis[/QUOTE] I've gotten very little. I'm leaning town on rsoultin. I lean town on you as well, but not as much as rsoultin. Everybody else? Almost nothing. If you held a gun to my head and told me to pick scum I'd probably say JAT right now. He's answering questions and responding which I like, but he's not really adding information. He's not offering anything just reacting to what's there. It's the kinda thing that I think looks decent but isn't really helping town at all.[/QUOTE] Basically he's just hiding around the sidelines saying soft/safe/obvious things. It's all very different from that one post where he called VE out.[/QUOTE] about ExO_, and he says it as defense. I got very confused when I read this, because this case reads like an attacking case, not a defending case. I thought he was calling ExO_ scum, because the thing he's describing ExO_ as doing here is scummy: not being willing to take stances, not willing to make cases, trying to blend in. Anyone who saw ExO_ doing that would think "ExO_ is scum". This defense really rings false with me, it's definitely fabricated. It's scum who plays safe, not town. It's scum who tries not to get noticed (in this way, at least), not town. This makes no sense, this is a made up train of thought. Keirathi scum for this too. Bad met aargument re JAT w/ ExO_ [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23987785](link)[/url] So I think I have a good handle on things now, Keirathi's line of thought doesn't make since. His callouts on Hapa and OWS later in the filter are fine, but he never writes a real case after that, just callouts. Based on his mild pushing of "don't care about the rogue" and more importantly, the fact that his ExO_ defense makes no sense (as in, you'd think it was a case if you didn't know it was a defense), I think that Keirathi's writing and thoughts don't follow a real organic train of thought. He's making up his reads. Not his interactions and callouts, btw, which seem legit and anyone can do, but his actual reads and development are artifical and it shows. We lynch Keir tomorrow imo. | ||
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So D1 he rolls out with a precon mayoral run post (link) with no actual platform. No read here, he constructed this pre-game probably. He scumreads Hapa for claiming not-wizard (link) for which I'd give him some cred but he seems trolling in his followup. He makes some noises with Onegu and ExO_ about the election (link) (link) (link) which show he's paying attention and has read the OP, at least. His followup for his preconstructed mayoral run post is joking around as well http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23981780 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23981941 and he has a scumread (link) on VE for electing Yamato and rejecting him, which again seems joking. (link). His response to ritoky (link) seems genuine though, but you don't see him scumreading WoS even though WoS does the same thing as VE (link) which means his thought process isn't as he revealed earlier. He then like, obviates most of what he said earlier by claiming to be a troll (link). It seems like he gets serious after this, and tells LS that scum wouldn't no-lynch in either situation, which doesn't sound strictly accurate, since why not save a teammate? He does end on the right note, though, which is to auto-lynch a rogue who no-lynches. Still, I see this as largely scum-motivated as it tells people "don't be afraid to vote for scum into the rogue role" which is NOT the message people should be hearing (link). For this as his first serious post I don't like Keir. Meta defense, and hilariously, Meta defense based on unflipped associative tells. What a cluster. (link) and also the kind of thing you can be one hundro percent wrong on and get no flak for. scumpoint for that. I like his smackdown on LS but since he's just pointing out facts I don't give him scumpoints for the glorious destruciton of LS' points. (link) (link). more trolling (link) and a tacit admittance that his scumreads are troll reads (link). The next serious analysis he does is saying they should wait on crossfire (link) before scumreading him, and a call-out (link) for which he gets some credit. He defends exo and brings up evidence (link), which is possibly the best thing he's done so far in terms of "helping the town" because he's taking a solid stane. (link). I don't think this overtakes his suggestions on the rogue election which misleads town. I want to take a moment to address Keirathi's defense of ExO_ and why this makes Keir scum. (link). He says, On March 29 2015 07:04 Keirathi wrote: Basically he's just hiding around the sidelines saying soft/safe/obvious things. It's all very different from that one post where he called VE out. about ExO_, and he says it as defense. I got very confused when I read this, because this case reads like an attacking case, not a defending case. I thought he was calling ExO_ scum, because the thing he's describing ExO_ as doing here is scummy: not being willing to take stances, not willing to make cases, trying to blend in. Anyone who saw ExO_ doing that would think "ExO_ is scum". This defense really rings false with me, it's definitely fabricated. It's scum who plays safe, not town. It's scum who tries not to get noticed (in this way, at least), not town. This makes no sense, this is a made up train of thought. Keirathi scum for this too. Bad met aargument re JAT w/ ExO_ (link) So I think I have a good handle on things now, Keirathi's line of thought doesn't make since. His callouts on Hapa and OWS later in the filter are fine, but he never writes a real case after that, just callouts. Based on his mild pushing of "don't care about the rogue" and more importantly, the fact that his ExO_ defense makes no sense (as in, you'd think it was a case if you didn't know it was a defense), I think that Keirathi's writing and thoughts don't follow a real organic train of thought. He's making up his reads. Not his interactions and callouts, btw, which seem legit and anyone can do, but his actual reads and development are artifical and it shows. We lynch Keir tomorrow imo. | ||
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1. weird discussion of rogue that might mislead town (minor) 2. defense of ExO_ that makes abso-fuckin-lootley no sense and shows a non-town, artificial thought process (major) 3. most of his other stuff is off the cuff interaction, no other serious cases or thought process to follow (moderate) | ||
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On March 31 2015 05:25 Half the Sky wrote: Alright Crossfire is scum. Holyflare talks anti-sicklucker for at least 60-90m prior to Crossfire voting him. And no mention of sicklucker or Hapa in the post where he votes Holyflare. Even better he tries to use a filter length argument for defending sicklucker but if he believed HF was making the wrong choice, he should have at least pushed Hapa moreor moved his vote to someone that would have supported whom he felt was scum, just as he said from the off. I checked the vote thread. No such change. It was a soft push against. He's scum. so to be clear, Crossfire votes to elect HF while HF is pushing SL, and crossfire has a townread on SL, so he wouldn't try to elect someone who had a scumread on his townread. is that what you're saying? | ||
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