Mafia Mini Mafia2: another miniature game of mafia

On April 07 2015 18:09 Vivax wrote:
Palmar whats up do you want attention?

On April 07 2015 18:38 Vivax wrote:
I somehow miss the big Palmar speech

On April 07 2015 18:55 Vivax wrote:
Palmar do you ever read the voting thread.

On April 07 2015 19:04 GlowingBear wrote:
Whatever you do, don't make yourself have 2 and a half hours of sleep because you have classes in a very short span of time

I don't even know if I'm using the correct words here

On April 07 2015 19:01 Vivax wrote:


I think you're being boring.
I don't want you to be boring.

On April 07 2015 19:06 GlowingBear wrote:


I hate this opening.

On April 07 2015 19:11 GlowingBear wrote:


Sleepy, at most.

I don't understand what's the matter on me talking about obi and HF discussing early on. I didn't ask them to stop it, and that discussion was mostly HF teasing obi. Again, what kind of information did you expect it would come from that interaction?

On April 07 2015 19:14 Vivax wrote:
I don't like that we reach different conclusions from the same post Ram Pal

On April 07 2015 19:11 Vivax wrote:
Damdred pretty hard on GB with his reasoning. Not sure if legit, he chose the worst possible explanation for GB complaining about HF vs Obi.

As if HF asking for an Obi wambulance was oh so informative lol.

On April 07 2015 19:30 Vivax wrote:


It means you should wear a horned helmet while sailing forth on a viking dragon to fish cod at the north pole.

On April 07 2015 19:33 Vivax wrote:


Define useful in a wambulance and random gif setting.

On April 07 2015 19:35 Vivax wrote:
Palmar, what are you getting at.

Is GB mafia for complaining about Obi vs HF discussion?

On April 07 2015 13:26 GlowingBear wrote:
So, first page of the game and we already have an Obi VS Holyflare discussion. Sigh.

On April 07 2015 20:17 rsoultin wrote:


lolol

pssssst you need to check your english xP or your sarcasm meter

but it's cool <3 you're not town if you don't get my alignment wrong at least once a game

-sits on koshi's head-

paaaalllmaaar if you want to be serious i really would like to know why that one post by GB is not only the most interesting post to you, but by your own admission the only post in the thread worthy of attention xP

On April 07 2015 20:19 Vivax wrote:
Koshi suffers from Dota pub burnout. Don't let it get to you if he's passive aggressive.

Btw Palmar we should play a game sometime.

On April 07 2015 20:25 rsoultin wrote:
an exercise!

what other things were candidates but didn't make it to the coveted category of possibly nitpicking?

On April 07 2015 20:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Palmar, being unfunny doesn't make me Mafia
If you think I had the intention of stopping discussion, you basically assume that I was protecting someone. If so, I'm automatically Mafia with one of them.
Thinking through a Mafia perspective, if I see two townies discussing, I won't interfere so they can tunnel each other.

So, you have to tell me who is my partner with them, or your argument simply doesn't hold water

On April 07 2015 20:42 rsoultin wrote:


i'm actually bad at reading you (this "you know" thing is bogus lol)

and you're good at day 1 reads

so humor me, please and thank you!

talk to me about eden ^^

On April 07 2015 21:01 rsoultin wrote:


your narrative begins with GB being scum and continues in that vein regardless of what he says (what you just wrote can easily come from both alignments and all you effectively argued was that it is possible for scum to do townie-seeming things in order to look townie). it's a narrative. narratives bore me

i'm more interested in what he thinks HF is doing, which is why i stopped poking at GB earlier

there. i've talked about GB ^^

are you planning on working with me this game or aren't you?

On April 07 2015 21:10 GlowingBear wrote:


You've explained that you don't think my post fits a town perspective
I'm questioning what is Mafia motivation to stop that conversation.

The only explanation possible through a Mafia perspective is "GB doesn't want his partner to give information"

On April 07 2015 21:47 GlowingBear wrote:


Oh, okay.

So you're assuming I've posted just to keep posting as Mafia. Is that your accusation?

On April 07 2015 22:16 GlowingBear wrote:


Because I thought he was nitpicking just to generate discussion. Since he isn't, and since he thinks I was posting just to post, I am reevaluating my position.

He is calling me Mafia for a single post I've made without evaluating my overall gameplay. More than this, he is calling me Mafia for something that is null indicative and that other players have been doing (ritoky, for example). He is having a groundless tunnel and double standards by parroting Damdred.

It fits perfectly the Mafia partner that comes to defend his buddy from a call out, discrediting the other player

On April 08 2015 03:54 GlowingBear wrote:




"I believe in you but I don't really believe in you."

I'm confused

On April 07 2015 21:41 Palmar wrote:
Like to be clear, I BELIEVE you when you say you were not trying to stop the discussion. I have never questioned that.

On April 07 2015 23:02 Palmar wrote:


I don't agree with the bolded.

If you read my biggest post, and a followup after that, it's clear that I don't believe you were trying to be funny. It is super clear that ritoky's opening posts are trying to be funny/trolling.

That's the difference. I know why ritoky posted. I don't know why you posted.

On April 08 2015 04:24 Koshi wrote:
No it isn't. I also have no opinion on Eden. Maybe a slight townread. But hey. Not posting doesn't help him.

On April 08 2015 04:55 DreadReturn wrote:
I think Palmer's interpretation of GB's early post is pretty weak.
Take the post that Palmer convinces himself with:


Two points here:

"HF and Obi were having a shitfest" - That's not right. They exchanged maybe 5 small one liners and a picture between themselves. It's a very mild scuffle / banter. If GB could be accused of "stopping" anything, it's mild banter.

"The problem I have is that is by far the worst option available" - Palmer isn't actually showing why GB is scum with this. How does this make him scum? He points out things that GB could have done, and then concludes that by act of omission GB must be scum. How? There's a huge logical gap there.

This type of weak reasoning could easily be applied to anyone else on those pages, and again, we are talking about day 1 early game banter here.

Palmer's analysis is weak because he is either exaggerating or misconstruing what GB said and did, and is suggesting GB is scum without actually giving a reason why he is scum.

On April 08 2015 19:57 Vivax wrote:
Didn't understand shit of how the stuff Palmar said makes GB mafia, I'm moving to DR.

On April 08 2015 20:42 Vivax wrote:
Ok I think now I get it Palmar. You need to work on your paraphrasing:

P: Don't believe you tried to be funny.
G: But ritoky was trying to be funny too!
P: You weren't trying to be funny.
G: Do you or do you not believe. (-> irrelevant)

On April 09 2015 04:29 Vivax wrote:
If you lynch me while I sleep make sure to vig him or lynch him tomorrow.

In case I die I say gg in advance.

On April 09 2015 05:41 Koshi wrote:
Are we doing stuff or not?

Vivax/HF/DR/GB are my mafia. I don't mind lynching any of them. atm I follow yamato. But I prefer to follow Koshi.

On April 09 2015 07:28 Koshi wrote:

I am tunneled on the fact he is the scum vigi.

On April 09 2015 07:29 Holyflare wrote:
Palmar is the aperture Blazinghand of this game with the added bonus of being mean and rude and not jokey like normal. He wants to try hard to find mafia but somehow only has gb as mafia for his one post. His only read was dr and that's just for being bad and nothing more. Not try hard at all just a lot of posts on 1 subject matter blown out of proportion. Lynxh with fire.

On April 09 2015 07:21 DreadReturn wrote:

Let's assume that I'm a terribad player Palmar. Where do we go from there? Do we just lynch terribad players and then blame them when they flip town?

Talk to me about how crap by Vivax case is.

On April 09 2015 07:56 Holyflare wrote:
Palmar is 1000% not town and I will die at night for saying it after doing nothing for the majority of the cycle. There will probably be a vig claim thrown in.

On April 09 2015 08:21 Holyflare wrote:
You absolutely should know gb is terrible and easily capable of posting useless shit as town and that looks like a classic useless gb omg you mafia cz you don't think like this post. So it's terrible that you continued on that route.

Also that post when it's crunch time and someone needs to be lynched before bed??? Baaaad

On April 09 2015 08:22 Holyflare wrote:
Basically it entirely looks like you're super tunnelling on someone as mafia to get them lynched and you feel pretty apathetic to which way this day goes.

Dr you better name claim now.

On April 08 2015 13:46 GlowingBear wrote:
I have to sleep. I'll post my reads once I wake up

On April 08 2015 13:09 GlowingBear wrote:


HF as Mafia would tease obi in order to guarantee a shitfest.
He enters in an argument with obi, obi gets angry because HF is nitpicking him and gives up / start arguing with HF in an useless discussion, disorganising town.

Check Hearthstone Mafia for a precedent.

On April 08 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:


Explain to me why Vivax looks alright now and why you scumread him before

On April 08 2015 10:18 GlowingBear wrote:
This game is boring. I stated two or three times that Eden has problems in his scumreads and nobody asked me why.
Nobody is really trying to play this, sadly.

On April 08 2015 08:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Rasputin, Dread, obi and Vivax: reads so far?

On April 08 2015 08:33 GlowingBear wrote:
Eden your townreads are weird

On April 08 2015 04:27 GlowingBear wrote:


It is.

Eden has posted very content less posts, but palmar treats him differently. This double standards reinforces the scenario where palmar is Mafia.

On April 09 2015 08:09 Holyflare wrote:


I have a slight scummy read on gb but he's claimed vigilante so willing to let it play out. I'm not going to stop a dr lynch unless he claims his name ever.

On April 09 2015 08:50 Holyflare wrote:


I'm not going to lynch a claimed vigi on day 1 ever. Especially if that person has been afk for this period of time. It's a terrible reason to scum read someone for afking when they are usually high activity (me included)

On April 09 2015 08:50 Holyflare wrote:
Do you not have another scum read other than gb after 48 hours?

On April 09 2015 08:59 Holyflare wrote:


No he's not scummier than the alternatives because half your points on him are moot when you realise gb is bad and says that shit all the time. 9/10 people that claim blue at the very start of the game are town anyway so it's bad to make that connection with galaxy and I'm more than capable of looking past blue claims and scum reads to see their overall play. I don't want to lynch gb today so stop it.

On April 09 2015 09:00 Holyflare wrote:
Dr afking while people do the work to get him off the hook for him means I'm just lynching him.

On April 09 2015 09:03 Holyflare wrote:
Yes

On April 09 2015 09:06 Holyflare wrote:
Do we lynch you as per your policy of claiming on day 1?

On April 09 2015 09:13 Holyflare wrote:
Aint switching off this DR guy unless it's to palmar so cya bed time

On April 09 2015 09:14 Holyflare wrote:
Guess you can just shoot/use your mafia nk on me then palmar

On April 09 2015 09:29 DreadReturn wrote:

I mean ... sure. That's part of why I'm smurfing. But like ... you can give feedback and stuff on how not to be bad or something?

On April 09 2015 09:28 DreadReturn wrote:
Palmar, I'm willing to concede I've just been totally wrong about my GB read, but I want to talk through it a bit because I don't know how biased I currently am.

One of the early town tells I saw in GB was that he was, perhaps, one of the first to notice HF's little hidden posts. I know I missed the post (maybe cause I was skimming past the HF game ones), but he was attentive enough to see it.

And I correlate attentiveness to thread somewhat to towniness, since most of the time scum don't really read that closely.

Agree / disagree?

On April 09 2015 10:12 Holyflare wrote:
Btw bear in mind palmar is hard claiming vigi and never let him say it was a joke/lie or whatever.

On April 09 2015 13:08 Holyflare wrote:
If you're a town vig and not palmar shoot palmar. If you're a town vig and are palmar shoot damdred. Jk save the towniest person you know.

On April 09 2015 07:29 Holyflare wrote:
Palmar is the aperture Blazinghand of this game with the added bonus of being mean and rude and not jokey like normal. He wants to try hard to find mafia but somehow only has gb as mafia for his one post. His only read was dr and that's just for being bad and nothing more. Not try hard at all just a lot of posts on 1 subject matter blown out of proportion. Lynxh with fire.

On April 09 2015 08:09 Holyflare wrote:


I have a slight scummy read on gb but he's claimed vigilante so willing to let it play out. I'm not going to stop a dr lynch unless he claims his name ever.

On April 09 2015 08:09 Holyflare wrote:


I have a slight scummy read on gb but he's claimed vigilante so willing to let it play out. I'm not going to stop a dr lynch unless he claims his name ever.

On April 09 2015 07:59 Holyflare wrote:
Palmar that is. Dr i don't know about because nobody thinks him claiming his name is a good idea. He seems like nooby/honest town but only if you take it at face value.

On April 09 2015 09:00 Holyflare wrote:
Dr afking while people do the work to get him off the hook for him means I'm just lynching him.

On April 09 2015 10:12 Holyflare wrote:
Btw bear in mind palmar is hard claiming vigi and never let him say it was a joke/lie or whatever.

On April 09 2015 09:13 Holyflare wrote:
Aint switching off this DR guy unless it's to palmar so cya bed time

On April 09 2015 07:29 Holyflare wrote:
Palmar is the aperture Blazinghand of this game with the added bonus of being mean and rude and not jokey like normal. He wants to try hard to find mafia but somehow only has gb as mafia for his one post. His only read was dr and that's just for being bad and nothing more. Not try hard at all just a lot of posts on 1 subject matter blown out of proportion. Lynxh with fire.

On April 09 2015 08:13 Palmar wrote:
I am easily not the largest filter ritoky.

@hf:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24045071 <--- I do not understand what the purpose of his post was. I'm not accusing him of posting useless stuff (ritoky's pictures, your game, mostly useless, but clear purpose). I don't know why he posted, so my assumption is that he posted simply to post.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24048888 <--- This is actually a much better point. He is trying to discredit me with something that is never going to be valid (that I somehow should be obligated to either believe everything he says, or nothing).

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24051188 <--- and finally this. He promised reads and he hasn't come back to the thread at all. In addition, his filter is very scarce in reads and content outside arguing with me.

Second, you seem to be accusing me of talking only about one thing. I'll help you along:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24045273 <--- giving a few initial reads
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24045623 <--- randomly interjecting regarding rsoultin
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24045810 <--- list post (outdated, but good at the time)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24045962 <--- commenting about onegu
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24048932 <--- talking about you
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24048939 <--- giving an opinion on koshi
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24049065 <--- talking about DR

I could go on and on. The only way you can think I've tunneled exclusively on GB is if you haven't read my filter. Go read it and come to a better conclusion than "Palmar is mafia".

On April 09 2015 08:09 Holyflare wrote:


I have a slight scummy read on gb but he's claimed vigilante so willing to let it play out. I'm not going to stop a dr lynch unless he claims his name ever.

On April 09 2015 10:32 Holyflare wrote:
Nothing you said answered anything i wrote. I just read your filter and vomited from the overall tone of your posts.

Briefly explain these:

1. Why did you rage quit the game.
2. Why did you not conclude any of the people were mafia who just town read me. (if you say you did you're lying).
3. Follow up to 2. Why was gb obtuse and a policy lynch but not mafia for not explaining?
4. Why is gb mafia now? Palmar still based entire read on gb's post to me and you and is now shovelling more stuff on while he afk's exactly like he tried to do to me when i afk'd. Will never forget.
5. Why was i always a scum read because i only did a game as mafia to you but you only wanted to vote eden and didn't ever ever vote me?

Sentence on each please.

On April 09 2015 21:16 Holyflare wrote:
Btw will gladly trade my life for palmar because nobody will ever lynch him at this rate

On April 09 2015 21:10 Holyflare wrote:
Looks like trying to bury someone and you can't be fucked to look elsewhere cz free town mislynch.

On April 09 2015 21:47 Holyflare wrote:


Because he asked me a question about vivax and then just didn't care about answers. He was peripheral, he didn't follow up at all and that post was pretty scummy. It's also nothing like I've been doing because I actually have scum reads on more than one person based on more than one post that isn't a blatant misrepresentation of that person.

On April 09 2015 21:49 Holyflare wrote:
It's great how i disprove every single piece of case you have and you go ad hominem and say "oh yeh but that's totes what you're doing!".

On April 09 2015 22:10 Holyflare wrote:


Yes and nobody wanted to lynch you or obi so I couldn't do anything in the 5 minutes he left us.

On April 09 2015 21:10 Holyflare wrote:
1. The game is continuing when i get home and can actually paint the pictures and properly format posts on a computer which i can't do on a phone. You know like i said, i should have been afk this entire cycle but actually now have the largest filter in 4 hours that I played.

On April 09 2015 21:10 Holyflare wrote:
2. You were/are in my main list of scum reads and so pushing gb based on absolutely nothing was bad, especially as he was afk and you tried to do the same thing to me. Looks like trying to bury someone and you can't be fucked to look elsewhere cz free town mislynch. I still stand by the fact your little interjections of "reads' mean absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. I also outlined WHY i thought gb was scummy (town reading me when usually scum reading me) and then i was reminded of reasons why it was towny so that's also redundant as he wasn't a scum read anymore.

On April 09 2015 21:10 Holyflare wrote:
3. At first it was a policy to get him to name claim and then it turned into a scummy read. My thought progression is outlined quite clearly in my filter showing that. He didn't follow up on questions to me and then he afk'd (and he did eventually say he lurked during the game on purpose) while scum reads obi/damd who had no good reason to say the things he was saying started pushing on gb.

On April 09 2015 21:10 Holyflare wrote:
4. That's not the only reason at all and shows you aren't reading what your scum read says at all.

In total it's a pretty pathetic attempt to fling shit at me. I'm also going to get you shot because i am never letting you escape from HARD CLAIMING a blue to cc someone for no reason other than to get them lynched.

On April 09 2015 23:23 Holyflare wrote:
Boo fucking hoo. He only looked towny to me in his FINAL reads post. That was what, 30 mins before deadline and yamato was calling for a scummy switch.

On April 09 2015 22:16 Vivax wrote:
On a sidenote I really really think Palmar is being super town this night

On April 09 2015 23:25 Vivax wrote:


Just tell me who to kill tomorrow ill make up something to support your wagon if needed, while I sheep.

On April 09 2015 23:30 Holyflare wrote:


No he switched to eden with like 30 seconds to go because I told people to switch to eden because yamato was calling for a scummy switch between his scum read and his scum reads scum read for no reason and wasn't being direct enough in a town leader position.

On April 09 2015 23:28 Holyflare wrote:
There's absolutely no reason as mafia for me to stop doing my game because it's the perfect excuse to do nothing while being active. It's quite obvious as I hadn't posted on the site at all, that I just wasn't around. If you want to take the truth regardless of alignment and twist it to fit a lie in your narrative that's your prerogative. A mafia based one though.

On April 09 2015 23:28 Holyflare wrote:
If gb flips town every ad hominem attack you've used on me (pushed a mislynch and alternatives being town) are equally applicable to you. They also mean nothing because townies are often wrong and you've entirely based this on a pre flip association.

You tried to hard claim to force a lynch on someone I don't think is scummy at all. That's not policy that's scummy as fuck. Note the words. HARD CLAIM.

On April 09 2015 23:34 Holyflare wrote:
Quite clearly none of your points hold water in this push and when trying to point out what was wrong in my counter you don't rebut it with anything that makes anyone mafia. Only personal attacks at how I pushed a mislynch.

On April 09 2015 23:36 Holyflare wrote:


Yamato's biggest scum read was DR. DR posts list read and people get shaky, me included. Yamato yells that nobody should switch and the lynch therefore has to be between DR, his biggest scum read or vivax, his not really scum read who is scum read by his biggest scum read hardcore. For no reason whatsoever. When asked to explain why he ignored it.

On April 09 2015 07:32 Palmar wrote:

This post actually sounds like something an annoyed townie would write. So I really think we should move on from DR.

On April 09 2015 23:54 Holyflare wrote:
Because he mafia claimed it

On April 09 2015 23:57 Holyflare wrote:
If anyone can scum read me after I've been nothing but open then they are mafia or just pretty terrible.

On April 09 2015 23:57 Onegu wrote:
/ team HF. Gogogo

On April 10 2015 00:29 Onegu wrote:



Would like more trolling though....

On April 10 2015 00:41 Holyflare wrote:
Because it's only really townies that read posts and it gets me more info on who is reading

On April 10 2015 07:37 Holyflare wrote:


Does this look like i scum read yamato at all palmar? You even asked if i did and I said he was towny all day. Why lie again?

Pretty shallow list of reasoning for everyone you have their palmar.

On April 10 2015 15:19 Vivax wrote:
I wanna talk to Palmar but he stopped the transmission

On April 10 2015 18:29 Vivax wrote:


These two reads make no sense.

On April 10 2015 18:58 Vivax wrote:


In my book they're both trolling and if one is mafia just cause he announced he would troll it sounds like bs

On April 10 2015 19:13 Vivax wrote:


I don't believe you to really believe this.

On March 19 2015 20:50 Palmar wrote:

No of course it isn't

I've been thinking about revisiting this method as town at some point actually. It's of course kinda scummy to frame my entire play like that, but I was mafia. But it wasn't trolling at all because I was actually trying to make it look like I wanted to solve the game.

On January 27 2015 19:43 Palmar wrote:

So what?

I feel like it's a mafia thing to do. Unlike all the baddies who cling to meta, I don't care if it's been done before or if he has done it before. I think it's a scummy way to frame your posting this current game.

On March 17 2015 07:10 Palmar wrote:
I don't really know Onegu that well. Generally he seems sort of too trolly to be mafia.

On the other hand, the fact that he:

1. promised read on rayn
2. delivered read on rayn

is actually really scummy, because he framed his play and then played exactly to fit that frame. Like it's not an organic read at all, it's manufactured.

On April 10 2015 19:58 sicklucker wrote:
Can I get some cliffs? Why did people expect there to be 3 deaths in a 13 player mini at night.... Wont be caught up for awile

On April 10 2015 19:50 Vivax wrote:
Oh and I don't only need your alignments. I need to know if in your town games the guy who was posting in a constructed way was actually mafia.

On April 10 2015 20:01 sicklucker wrote:
Ok but I would asume thats unlikely altho possible in an open setup (less likely it rngs both roles) altho my counterpart would disagree

On April 10 2015 20:23 Vivax wrote:
So Palmar can you give me an updated read of ritoky

On April 10 2015 23:30 Vivax wrote:


The attitude behind this post is awful.

It reveals that Palmar's scumreads which read to me very confident and hence very townie were nothing but his tryhard scum identity. There is no looking around or reconsidering. Palmar's play can be summarized into 2 big tunnels during D1 and N1 with some random "would also lynch this dude" in between.

He is way too content to leave his weaker reads being weak reads while spending all his energy on what he claims are his scumreads and him being the most experienced player in here I can guarantee that it's not how he plays town, which is a Palmar with a much wider scope.

This is one of the reasons I think Eden is townier cause he gave himself a good reason to scumread people after calling his initial post terrible and yet after reading the GB matter he assumed another position in which his former scumreads didn't seem as suspicious.

Palmar is static. He can be convincing on the people he chooses to scumread but then he assumes a tunnel vision that reads more like "Nice now I found some shit to write a shitton about" than what he would really believe.

On April 10 2015 23:13 Vivax wrote:


You don't.

Gambling on ritoky's trolling D1 is fine if I overlook that you, in my opinion, chose to deliberately classify Onegu's trolling as scummy. Having him troll all the way into D2 isn't and I don't think that you as town would accept having him in the blind corner for this long without at least taking a better look at him, which you didn't. At the very least a town Palmar would have called for a shot on him in my opinion.

Also you call me less scummy now but my points on Koshi still stand and I didn't see anyone giving an opinion on them except yamato, who in my book is still more likely to be a town honest about his opinion than a scum, who doesn't need to have one as long as Koshi doesn't look like he's getting lynched.

On April 10 2015 23:59 Vivax wrote:
And you don't think you have to review your read on ritoky, Palmar? 3 pages of filter. Most of it being pics and gif? If anyone was worth of being shot, it would have been him. And yet there he stays. Townread by the majority of people for flimsy reasons. If anything he should have been town on probation for his observation on Damdred and DR, which after DR's flip is proven to be absolutely worthless.

Of all the town apparently only I question my former reads and go reread the day with all the flips in mind, just like in Guardians?

On April 11 2015 00:13 Vivax wrote:


You also chose BM over me in Guardians. The scum motivation for fighting against the easier lynch even when it's a townie is evident. It's in the expectation of townies expecting mafia to not defend townies, just like I did with Obi in another game where I was mafia. It should not be treated as anything alignment indicative. People on TL and especially veterans like you are well aware of that so using this as a defense (= I defended lynch bait) makes you look even worse.

Whether you defend townies or not is irrelevant. For you all that matters is appearing townie and anything you will dump posts into will do for that purpose, in this case your post dumpsters were GB and HF.

On April 11 2015 00:58 Koshi wrote:
...

Palmar

...

Your reads seem to be extremely awful.

Not that mine are better per se.

But I don't need to doubt about my alignment.

##unvote
##vote Eden


PS: Can the vig claim? I don't see the downside.

On April 11 2015 01:12 Vivax wrote:
It's probably one of my greatest talents. When I'm town I can flip a switch and just be town.

On April 11 2015 01:31 GlowingBear wrote:


I've hosted a game where Mafia couldn't roleblock themselves to skip a night kill.
It was with Amiko

On April 11 2015 01:24 Eden1892 wrote:
I think we need to lynch Palmar today, I got a lot of tr's outside of the rb claims and Palmar was jailed with missing kp so that seems like the best play.

I don't want to lynch these guys (listed in signups order):
Damdred
Koshi
sicklucker
Vivax
me
ritoky
yamato

I'm very probably wrong about one of these tho b/c obi/gb/palmar is a weird scumteam. But I don't really care much about that right now cuz I think Palmar is almost certainly mafia.

voting palmar

On April 11 2015 01:38 Vivax wrote:


You are a fake king

I don't listen to the talk of fake kings

You scumread HF, I had him as null. Your argument is invalid LOL

On April 11 2015 01:38 Koshi wrote:
##unvote:
##vote Palmar

I have 3-10 reasons. But probably maximum 3.

On April 11 2015 02:03 GlowingBear wrote:
Guys, again, you're working under the assumption that:

1) Town Vigi didn't hold his shot
2) Mafia Vigi didn't hold his shot
3) Shots weren't stacked on HF

Which means you are speculating under very unreliable information.

Find your town reads and tell people why someone is Mafia for their gameplay

On April 11 2015 06:31 Eden1892 wrote:
Palmar cuz he got jailed and I'm pretty sure he carried kp instead of being shot at. At the very least if I'm wrong about that I want to make him go super obvious town mode like he did at the end of XXX

On March 21 2015 02:03 Palmar wrote:
Jesus christ I'll hit a 40 page filter this game.

NEVER AGAIN.

NEVER

AGAIN.

On April 11 2015 21:09 Koshi wrote:
At this point (page 25) I believe that Eden and yamato are mafia. GB, Damdred, ritoky, Vivax are town.

I believe yamato is mafia for sitting in Palmar his ass while Palmar is not playing very well. HOWEVER, it is really hard to play well and be the driving force in the thread, and Palmar was the driving force in the thread, that is why I don't think Palmar is mafia. yamato would really be a perfect example of a backseating mafia buddying the town driving force who is on the wrong track.

On April 09 2015 12:54 Fecalfeast wrote:

Boatcount:

Vivax (1) - DreadReturn
Palmar (0) -
GlowingBear (2) - Damdred, Palmar,
Rsoultin (0) -
ObiWanShinobi (0) -
Eden1892 (2) - Yamato77, Ritoky,
Koshi (0) -
Damdred (1) - GlowingBear,
Yamato77 (0) -
DreadReturn (7) - Vivax, Koshi, HolyFlare, Onegu, ObiWanShinobi, Eden1892, Rsoultin,

until deadline. Currently DreadReturn is set to be lynched.

On April 12 2015 05:31 Vivax wrote:


Can you give me a rage post from your qt for yamato afking ?

On April 12 2015 05:33 Damdred wrote:
I thought you had town vibes on me Palmar, that's kind of disappointing to me. You probably haven't really read my filter probably though like usual

On April 12 2015 05:42 Damdred wrote:
...Palmar please read my filter, I know that I like to bus but I don't bus my whole team usually. Or my team bus me back.

Yes you are right Koshi in that regard I do remember.

On April 12 2015 05:46 Koshi wrote:
There is no reason to be such an ass Palmar.

On April 12 2015 05:48 Koshi wrote:

Nha. I just understood why everybody thinks Eden is town. Hmm.
It really points at you being mafia btw.

On April 12 2015 05:51 Koshi wrote:
So every townie that flipped already is 100% wrong?

On April 07 2015 19:39 Palmar wrote:

Okay clearly you're being affected by a small head syndrome.

HF and Obi were having a shitfest. I'm not arguing that. When this happens there are a few options open to a player not involved. Some of them are useful, some are useless. Here's a few options GB could have taken.

GB could have:

• Ignored it and walked away
  
• Tried to put a stop to it
  
• Tried to change the subject to something more entertaining or useful
  
• Joined in on the fun
  
• Idly complained about it without trying to stop it or change the subject
  
• Tried to glean some information from it
  

You'll notice that he did actually take one of the options. The problem I have is that is by fare the worst option available. By his own admission he wasn't trying to stop them, so what was he trying to achieve? He wasn't being funny, he wasn't being sociable, he wasn't trying to bring up a new subject, he wasn't scumhunting or trying to poke people further.

Why did GB post?

On April 08 2015 18:33 Palmar wrote:

This is the scummiest post in the thread.

In my mind, this here confirms GB as mafia. It would probably be best if we made the lynch today between me and him because I am from this point probably never dropping this tunnel. There is no way I will ever believe he would post something like this as town. I'll explain why.

GB's weird assumption is that I have to apply the same standards of believing in everything he says. This is obviously not the case. There is absolutely no need for me to be consistent with what I believe and what I don't believe from GB because I'm valuing everything against what I think. In this specific scenario it goes like this:



I believe this because if he was actually trying to stop the discussion his attempt was incredibly futile. If he was indeed trying to stop them I'd have expected him to try a much more authoritative tone. "Stop this now guys", or something to that effect. Because his post doesn't really sound like he is actually trying to stop them arguing, I believe him when he says that he wasn't trying to stop them.

In this case, his story (I wasn't trying to stop them) is consistent with what I believe (his post didn't look like he was trying to stop them) so I believe him.

The reason I assumed he had been trying to stop them before he clarified, was simply that was the only reason I could think of that would make him post that.

The other one:



Here I DON'T believe he was trying to be funny or incite a response. The reason is the same as before. When I read his post it simply doesn't sound to me like he is trying to be funny. It sounds lazily exasperated to me.

In this case, his story (I was trying to be funny) is inconsistent with what I believe (the post wasn't funny, didn't look like it was meant to be funny) so I don't believe him.

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Now everything above should of course not really have required an explanation, but I wanted to be extra thorough because this isn't getting the consideration it should. There is no way GB actually thinks that calling me out on being inconsistent with whether or not I believe him, when he knows it's perfectly natural to question some things people say and not question other things, is actually a valid thing to do.

There is no reason for him to do this unless he is mafia.

I am certain.

On April 09 2015 08:41 Palmar wrote:
Final attempt to push GB:



He's been away for almost 20 hours. Whatever he does he knows it's going to be worthless with the euros gone to sleep when he finally shows up. He doesn't care who we lynch today.

Also. Go to his filter and look for any recent insights/reasoned reads. He has exactly one.



Everything else is "tease" reads and questions. Few examples of reads that either aren't really explained or him just asking random questions:



Question.



Unexplained read.



question.



Only what, not why



Oh and I forgot about this. Yet another instance of GB accusing me of something I'm not doing.

Eden was posting posts with no content at the beginning, but I know why he posted them, which is why they didn't jump out to me. I think I know why he posted popcorn, why he trolled around etc. I also think I know why ritoky posted pictures. I understand those.

GB's post is just different.