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On April 13 2015 23:37 Koshi wrote:
Vivax. Nothing changes now Eden is town right? Because you somehow said yamato was mafia because of his read on Eden. Or something like that.

On April 13 2015 23:43 yamato77 wrote:
Vivax, who is the other mafia if I'm mafia?

On April 14 2015 00:56 yamato77 wrote:
Vivax, I'm open to the idea that you've confirmation biased your way to scumreading me so poorly and I'm willing to bury the hatchet.

I think it's Koshi/Ritoky.

Both of them had strong townreads on me D1 yet both managed to "scumread" me on D2 and Ritoky even voted for me and left it there. Plus, both have had marked dropoffs in activity/productivity since D1, and both seem to be playing the same sort of sideline style game where they tend to sheep thread sentiment onto lynches instead of pushing their own reads with any strength.

It's almost never Palmar/Obi/Damdred. All three of them scumread GB when it wasn't convenient for mafia to do so and/or were the target of GB's ridiculous mafia tunnel. I've thought Palmar was town since early D1 and there's no reason for me to re-evaluate that read now with his un-cc'd vig claim. Obi I've had as legitimately possible mafia but the way the lynch went down yesterday basically confirms him as town, I don't really see an alternate world where he's actually mafia and they made some stupid play instead of just lynching me. Damdred was meh-ish on D1 but really picked it up D2 from what I could tell and was instrumental in getting the GB lynch through. If I doubt any of the three going forward it's Damdred, though.

I'll do some more digging on Koshi/Ritoky today in between fulfilling some of my other obligations.

On April 13 2015 23:22 Koshi wrote:
PS: I am joking. Thx for the GB lynch <3. No mad pls.

On April 14 2015 01:01 Palmar wrote:

It's ok, it's one of my well known weaknesses.

When I want to be, I am amazing on day 1. It's always been the case and always will be, I just have a knack for playing day 1.

I am, on the other hand, not every good after that. Thankfully, getting fairly good reads on day 1 + looking obvious town from lynching mafia is in most cases plenty of contribution to be a "good townie".

I always get mad at people who disagreed with me (just look at how godawful Eden's day 1 reads were ). I know I shouldn't but I just can't help it.

So yeah, I'm bad after day 1, which is why I'm going to let people who get better with more information carry the game for me.

On April 09 2015 11:52 yamato77 wrote:

Why do you believe GB is scummier than DR?

Is it that you think DR is somehow townie?

If it's at all close I would just vote DR.

On April 09 2015 12:58 Eden1892 wrote:

one of the angels is on dr??????

On March 14 2015 09:55 ritoky wrote:
The Grand Manifesto On Why Ritoky is Confirmed Town:

1) Trollzy play - ritoky is incapable of humor and trollzy play as mafia. recently he demonstrated some ability to do it as Serial Killer, but that is very different from mafia.

Examples of ritoky being trollzy -

cell mafia 2: ritoky spams the thread with american flags and propoganda for the first 50 pages. link

titanic return of mspaint: ritoky literally does nothing the entire first and second day but antagonize people and general dickbaggery. link

mafia down under 1: such troll, much wow link

2) The angry tunnel does not exist - The #1 mafia tell ritoky has as has been indicated by many players is that as mafia ritoky gets very angry when things don't go his way and he is prone to tunneling on a player and not interacting with the rest of the game. ritoky is also completely incapable of understanding jokes and flips out when people call him scum. in this game ritoky has pushed literal 0 people, never given a damn, and is content with getting lynched. clear town.

Example of angry ritoky tunnels:

Imperial mafia:






3) As mafia ritoky always has very clear lynch targets and tries to push them. This one is difficult to quote in a concise manner, you will have noticed it if you cared to do the research. Essentially, as mafia I like controlling the lynch, and I like influencing the direction of the game. Having not pushed a scum read this game, sorry cannot be mafia.

4) ritoky loves him some bussing. Not only does ritoky bus teammates hard, but he pushes back even harder. In this game, if ritoky were scum with JAT he would have bussed JAT HARD. He did not, cannot be scum.

Examples:

Down Under Mafia 2: ritoky tries hard to lynch Alakaslam day 1, after he magically survives, ritoky get's pissed off and calls for a vigi shot on teammate.




Carol of the Bells: Holyflare randomly starts scum reading ritoky for no reason, ritoky turns on the bus train




Imperial Mafia: ritoky's scum reads include robik (town), superbia (teammate), marv (teammate), damdred (teammate), sicklucker (town)

ritoky didn't bus JAT and doesn't have firm enough scum reads to be bussing this game. Always busses as mafia, cannot be mafia.

5) The damdred factor - Damdred has a soul read on me. He subbed into a game where no one had suggested the idea I could be SK and called me SK 2 posts in. Damdred has called ritoky town, ritoky is town. Further ritoky always shoots damdred if ritoky is mafia. ALWAYS.

6) The VT claim - very simple mafia mechanics here, if you can't understand it I don't think you deserve to be playing right now. ritoky plays troll all day 1 phase, if ritoky is mafia in this situation and is faced with lynch pressure, ritoky claims PR and either outs a PR for a trade or buys a free day. Rather than do this, ritoky pre-emptively before the lynch pressure exists claims VT. This is a play that is literally the most inefficient and stupid thing ever as mafia.

7) Divergent reads - ritoky was mislynched a lot early on in his mafia career because he doesn't often give reads in a manner that coincides or agrees with the "vets" (really the circlejerk party). In the process of rolling 13 straight town games in his first 13 TL games, it became widely known that ritoky had divergent reads as town and sick day 1 reads that should be taken to the bank. A prime example is Hearthstone mafia. In games where ritoky is mafia his reads tend to not be very against the grain.

8) The last and simplest to understand point of how ritoky cannot be mafia: the notorious giant list post. Very commonly when ritoky is mafia he makes a giant list of every player in the game and gives reads on them. It is atrociously bad and easy to spot.

And that my friends is how there is literally 0 way ritoky is ever mafia this game.

tl;dr:
1) troll and jokes = town (filter examples)
2) angry tunnels when mafia, no angry tunnel this game
3) likes to have clear lynch targets as mafia, pushed 0 people this game = town
4) ritoky is #1 TL busser as mafia, did not bus JAT
5) damdred soul read, ritoky always shoots damdred ASAP
6) VT claim, would have claimed PR under pressure
7) ritoky reads counter to thread sentiment -> ritoky town
8) no giant read list post = ritoky town

you now know how it is impossible for ritoky to be mafia this game. anyone who votes on me is confirming their own idiocy.

On April 10 2015 12:47 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdy you make your case look like a vote count analysis when it's just narratives. A huge pile of fluff.

The effort you've put makes me wary because I know you're effortless as Mafia. The problem is that you put effort into deceiving people, making them believe you made a huge vote count analysis when you actually just post narratives.

I said once and I'll repeat: town Damdred knows me too well to call me Mafia for the reasons you called me Mafia for.

You have an idea of what my tells are. Where did you see them in this game?

On April 11 2015 12:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, Damdy, I decided to take a step back and try to see you coming from a town perspective. For instance I thought that if you were Mafia, your team wouldn't try to roleblock a possible jail keeper when you were in danger of being shot by the vigi.

But I fail to see you coming as town Damdred everytime I read you. I simply can't believe in any of your posts. Your night post is, again, not a "legacy" as you try to make it look like. It fits much more of a frightened Mafia perspectice who desperately seek to look townie in order to not get shot.

I fail to see what people are seeing as townie in you.