Newbie Student Mafia VII

On April 11 2015 08:39 jarjarbinks wrote:
Hmm The flip flop begins lol

So I previously wasn't a huge fan of Stutters so far. I'm changing my mind.

Sure, Onegu voted Breshke before. There wasn't too much traction on him before that IMO. He made a case and it looked like he thought it was pretty good. It seems like he has been scumhunting around since then.

I expect him to show his "top four" and his reads besides Breshke. But he did just get in the game. I don't see him as lynchable right now at all.

On April 12 2015 06:02 Onegu wrote:



I think rsoul is. My second newbie I bussed the shit out of my partners day one

On April 14 2015 14:36 Stutters695 wrote:

This is a real good post.

On April 14 2015 14:37 Stutters695 wrote:

Is this guy scum? I really want to lynch him.

On April 14 2015 22:04 Bourneq wrote:
Prplhz activity in d2 is really poor. He has been consistent in 2 things, defending dwarf and trying to lynch the 1 person I can be absolut sure is town. D2 he seems to be sure about his scum read on stutters yet pushes a lynch on me instead.

On April 15 2015 01:15 Trfel wrote:
It's relative....

Someone like Holyflare is probably the most aggressive. He'll see one post and hard push that player with apparent 100% confidence. Prplhz isn't a player like that. From reading the thread, the impression that I got was that prplhz was leading and driving things along for most of Day 1. His exact tone and wording isn't always very forceful, but when you look at the ideas that he presents, you can see it.

For example, here is the way he treated the vote switch to Stutters695 on Day 1. Most people consider this progression suspicious.
Here is the first post he makes. I believe that he is the first player to suggest leaving the plotspot lynch (I'm not going to go back tons of pages to double check, but he is at least one of the first). At this point, the vote count was very heavily in favor of lynching plotspot (7 on plotspot, 0 on Stutters695). I know that the way he phrases it is a request, but this also makes some sense, since without the support of others he can't actually change the lynch. At this time, Half the Sky is the only person in the thread, and she refuses to switch, so prplhz drops it.
Prplhz also posts his explanation for why he would prefer to lynch Stutters695 over plotspot, and the way he arrived at this read feels towny enough (though that's an issue for another day).

At this point, I would be suspicious of prplhz. Asking one person to switch and then not doing anything when they don't switch isn't very impressive (still something town does all the time, but isn't a very good play). But then Tubesock comes back, and says that he doesn't want to lynch plotspot. Prplhz immediately jumps and asks him who he wants to lynch.Prplhz seems to be more interested in not lynching plotspot than lynching a specific player, and that's fine. Still, despite asking who Tubesock wanted to lynch (Tubesock initially said TheBloodyDwarf), prplhz still argues for a Stutters695 lynch. Then Tubesock shows desire to talk about plotspot and Stutters695, as well as a lack of confidence in lynching plotspot, so it can be assumed that he is willing to lynch Stutters695. And Half the Sky rereads Stutters695's filter, and said that she understands why he is scummy (implying willingness to lynch him). Prplhz immediately switches his vote, the first one to do so.

Prplhz isn't posting huge walls of text or screaming with all caps, but he clearly made a decision and put effort into getting people's attention and making them listen to him. In some of his posts, his tone felt very wishy-washy, however if you look at the consistency of his play, and the context for when he said what he said, he's actually very solid in his decision. Despite the way he asked players to switch votes and seemed willing to follow them wherever, that isn't what he did, and it's obvious that prplhz was leading the thread through this period.

Were plotspot scum, I could see an argument being made for prplhz being scum because of these actions. However, with a flipped plotspot, these actions aren't inherently scummy, and I feel that they are consistent with the rest of prplhz's play in this game.

This is one example, but I feel that prplhz played a leading role throughout Day 1. I'm used to prplhz playing a more reserved role; while he always participates in the thread, this is the first time I have seen him consistently leading. And that's why he is a confident townread.

On April 15 2015 04:26 The Shining wrote:


Meh I don't like hiding behind excuses. But to be more accurate, I didn't have time to play because fun things kept coming up during my days off that I couldn't say no to. I'm here right now and I'm at work on my phone posting.

And this is my first time replacing. I am slightly overwhelmed. But I am trying here. And I'm telling you, boldly, that lynching me is a huge mistake for town.

On April 15 2015 04:41 The Shining wrote:


Aside from what I said about him afking his "placeholder" vote on me for sleep, even though he hasn't so much as acknowledged my presence beforehand? See, others like you and Trfel have looked into me and questioned my activity. I couldn't find myself anywhere in his filter until the vote. It just feels like an effortless vote that can be defended as policy lynch.

Also, his filter is very setup-centric and role centric. I can quote examples if asked but I'm on a phone. But time and again I see him talking about roles. Picking at Stutters possible bread crumb post. It feels less like genuine game solving and more like blue fishing.

Also I tried to find some original thoughts in his filter. There are a lot of questioning of others' reads, then sheeping those. His possible scum list is basically Trfels.

On April 13 2015 08:48 Breshke wrote:


I am really interested what stutters means by the bolded..

On April 13 2015 14:25 Breshke wrote:
Also i kind of want to vote stutters until he explains why we would all understand he was town on D2 because there's no point pretending he didn't say that.

On April 15 2015 06:03 rsoultin wrote:
tch -_-

if i had a bullet ><

though lol why does breshke try to hammer scummate prp stutters that i don't follow

On April 15 2015 05:57 Breshke wrote:
I will hammer prp to save dwarf. Prp has him as top town its what he would want. Also shining and rso pushing for him makes me feel even betetr about saving him

On April 15 2015 06:20 Trfel wrote:
The Shining, by when can I expect you to have started playing the game with your full capabilities?

On April 15 2015 09:30 Half the Sky wrote:
Shining, looking at the voting order, Trfel was townreading prplhz and his choices were hammering a townread in prplhz (vote would have been 4-5 with prp being lynched), hammering a nullread in Dwarf, or keeping his vote where it was.

By hammering a nullread, he effectively saved someone he was townreading, prplhz. The vote was tied at 4-4, though Dwarf was first to 4 votes per the counter, anyone could have hammered prplhz.

On April 15 2015 11:25 The Shining wrote:
Eh. Very reminiscent of yamato in my last Student game. Angry, sarcastic player that flipped town.

It was wasted because you afkd it and ended up being the only vote on Bourne. And yes, to me, afking a vote before EoD is scummy. It shows you don't care who dies.

The fact that I think afking EoD after voting is scummy is also included in why I scummed Bresh and why I'm revisiting JJB.

On April 15 2015 10:33 Breshke wrote:
So i want to explain my EoD actions because not many people seem to be understanding.

There was three wagons.

Shining, who i think is scum
Prp, who i was null town leanish/hadn't looked into much since D1
TBD who I had no diea about.

It was obvious to me that the shining lynch was not going to go through. The only person whow anted it in the thread as much as i did was trefel. After realising i would not get the lynch i wanted i assessed the other two wagons. Rso and shining were both voting on TBD. If shining is scum RSo is most likely his partner because the way is ee it she stopped im from getting lynched EoD. That coupled with the fact with how fast she flipped her read on me while seemingly calling me town all game leads me to think they are both scum. This lead me to the conclusion that i would rather lynch Prp than dwarf because if shining and rso are scum they would not BOTH be voting their scum partner TBD therefore it would be more likely that prp was scum than TBD



I honestly don't know where the bolded part has come from but I want you to know whatever your alignment and whatever my allighnment this is not how i was trying to come across to you. I hoenstly did not think you would get enough votes on me and i was having a hard enough time actually finding someone i thought was scum after i flipped on bourne so i wasn't interested in trying to defend myself with like half an hour left when i felt it wasnt necessary and there was more important things to do.

On April 16 2015 09:44 The Shining wrote:


I was also set to be lynched at one point and said town would feel stupid as fuck when I flipped. I was leading votes at the time. I mean, you don't have to believe me.

I claimed because I am the vigi and I threw this game. Town is probably mad as hell at me and I understand why. At least this way I don't drag it out and Fuck us any harder than I already have.

On April 15 2015 04:16 The Shining wrote:


Yes. And now that I'm fully caught up, I agree. Stutters has stepped it up. He went from marginally better to significantly better. Especially with a post like this. It shows he is thinking about the game critically. I can't lynch him today.




Also I'm phone posting from work so bare with me.

On April 16 2015 10:12 The Shining wrote:


But I do. I still think you'll flip scum. I'm still voting you. If you don't, gg. If you do, I die tonight and my game is over. I'm fine with that. I'm already done with this one, due in large part to how badly I played.

And since I'm alrdy getting flamed in Obs, I'm sure, I'll add fuel to the fire saying this: you were blue fishing there. I wasn't looking for him to claim. I was looking for him to cash in on that promise of me seeing why he was town. I didn't see it so I shot.

You were a town lean at one point for me. Stutters was a scum read that I said had "significantly better" activity and couldn't be lynched D2. I was torn between you two. I saw scum in both of you at different points. I decided to trust my original gut instinct from D1.

On April 16 2015 10:29 The Shining wrote:
Ebwop:

Clicked post on phone instead of expand. Hate phone posting.

As for Bresh, it was the way he did it. So much talk of roles and set up in his filter. Forcefully pushing Stutters to claim. He really wanted to know.

Like I said, I was torn between the two. I guess I should've explained it more clearly. I couldn't tell if they were both scum but I knew I read both of them scum at one point. Stutters early, Bresh recently.

If Stutters flipped scum, it effectively would've thrown scum off track and made this game easier, as well as shed new light on the Stutters-Bresh interaction. It would've helped me re evaluate Breah.

If Stutters flipped town, which he did, it cemented what I already thought in that Bresh is scum and was blue fishing.

On April 16 2015 10:54 The Shining wrote:



No lynch post:



Why the Fuck would I come out and explain that logic in a post where I decided not to claim? Read the bolded. How would I know how the vigi is feeling? It was an attempt at bread crumbling before I decided to claim. I was torn on claiming after EoN.

On April 16 2015 11:02 The Shining wrote:
Breshke is scum trying to win the game. I don't even care anymore. Half the living players are here right now and no CC. He's probably yelling in scum QT for a scum mate to CC me. I'm actually really curious to see who it'll be.

And he's saying he may or may not be blue in that post. That is not softing.

Prpl opened up with I may or may not be scum? But that gets overlooked cuz who would soft scum like that, right?

Same principle applies to that soft claim.

On April 16 2015 13:03 The Shining wrote:
Trfel, you've been flip floppy a lot today. You offered no lynch, then back tracked. Your eon reaction seemed a little fake. You let off some anger then rescinded it.

Now you're back to no lynch. Could this be because you know who the blues are now?

What is your current read on me? My recent actions. My vig claim. I need you to stop posting flip flops and find scum/start poe.

HTS defended you when I called you out on your vote to hammer Dwarf mislynch over prpl. This could explain HTS nk. If she's dead, she never revisits Trfel. If Breshke is in fact vet, then that's 3 town on Prpl. Stutters, hts, breshke. The other is jjb, who I'm not convinced is town but this is partially due to bias from our last game together.

RSo, I'd actually like to see your current thoughts on JJB.

This, coupled with the fact that Trfel hammered Dwarf, shows me Prpl is scum. Whether it was Breshke panicking and setting up to bus Prl, or Trfel hammering to save scummate Prpl, the conclusion is still that Prpl is scum in this world.

I think I'm voting Prpl, provided Bresh isn't cc'd.

Note: I'm on the subway typing this post. No phone service. The last post when I started was Breshke's unvote post. Anything after that, I haven't seen or read yet so I apologize if the timing of this post seems awkward.

On April 16 2015 13:58 The Shining wrote:
I still think lynching Prpl gives us our best shot at nailing scum and salvaging this game.. He's got a vote on one of, if not the, largest filters in the game and has been mia since. Plus I feel guilty about killing Stutters. Maybe he was actually onto something here. I didn't get any sort of good feeling over Prp's refusal to really interact with me n2 either.

If majority goes no lynch, we go no lynch. But if we're lynching, I'm pushing Prpl.

On April 16 2015 13:58 The Shining wrote:
I still think lynching Prpl gives us our best shot at nailing scum and salvaging this game.. He's got a vote on one of, if not the, largest filters in the game and has been mia since. Plus I feel guilty about killing Stutters. Maybe he was actually onto something here. I didn't get any sort of good feeling over Prp's refusal to really interact with me n2 either.

If majority goes no lynch, we go no lynch. But if we're lynching, I'm pushing Prpl.

On April 16 2015 14:06 The Shining wrote:
I think I can buy Trfels defense of his eon reaction, at least for now. Bresh also assumed Stutters was my shot, as did RSo, and I knew it was my shot. It's wifom at best to argue Trf couldn't know which was NKd. But this doesn't mean I think Trfel is town. The flip flopping doesn't feel right, even though I towned him before.

Hence why I'd push Prpl. Votes don't lie. Every scenario I come up with leads to Prpl scum. Him flipping scum also gives us the most information.

Especially since he's apparently one of Trfels strongest town reads.

Or we no lynch, I die tonight(1 less Prpl lynch supporter) & town has one less confirmed town to go with. This could be Trfels scum motivation for a no lynch, if he is scum. We gain no new info but one less confirmed town.

I'm not completely sold on Bresh either but without a cc, I have to believe for now.

On April 16 2015 14:58 The Shining wrote:
JJB, So basically that's just a list post of promises you're expected to fill and you're here saying you barely started?

I don't think I can objectively read JJB right now. Maybe after I smoke and unwind from work. I'm starting to see similarities in that last scum game to this one.

RSo, do you think last time he scummed(the team was him and Silver, 9 player game) you were NKd N1 because you could effectively meta both of them? With a vet on the scum team this time around(See: Prpl), and seeing your slow play D1, I think it's still possible the vets would kill HF and HTS for being universally townread before you, even if JJB was pulling for your NK. JJB himself said this isn't MVP RSo.

I'm not effectively scumming JJB yet but I had to field this question. Although it still doesn't make too much sense to me for JJB to AFK EoD while voting a scummate.

And Prpl is willing to lynch into JJB, apparently.

Also yay, Prpl made an appearance. So if Bourne CCs anyone other than Breshke, he is lying. Even if he does CC Bresh, I'd still be inclined to think he's lying.

On April 16 2015 15:21 The Shining wrote:
Instead, how about you come back to the thread after more of the read throughs on that list are done and we can talk about who is scum to you on that list?

RSo, it's a good point that he'd try to avoid you if he couldn't in fact get the NK on you but...I still...don't understand...why JJB...voted Prpl...my brain hurts. I don't really think they can be scum together.

So I started looking at Prpl's town games VS scum games. His posts are a lot bigger in his scum games. That's off of initial skim through. I'm going to continue diving his old games for meta but his comment on wanting to no lynch in Debauchery made me think he could possibly be a frustrated town at this point, pissed off no other townie is putting in any work and getting disheartened. And the more games I skim through, the more I'm seeing it as a viable possibility.

In that world, I could see town!Prpl pushing RSo this hard believing in his scum read.

Trfel also isn't convinced we've even had a scum up for a wagon yet. If I'm to believe that's true, your world actually makes sense.

Tube/JJB/Bourne/Prpl. Bourne starts the ML on Dwarf. JJB makes sure to stay off of it. Tube gets on the Dwarf wagon somewhat early to try and avoid suspicion. Prpl is town, which is why JJB has no problem AFKing that vote.

On April 16 2015 15:19 rsoultin wrote:


lol you act like how you're acting in the thread would translate to a scum qt xP i'd been townreading/defending you and voted in part to save your ass day 2, so why would you want to nk me if you're scum?

if you're town, pull your head out your ass ^^ please and thank you

On April 16 2015 15:32 The Shining wrote:


It's a really dangerous bus and that's why I'm asking you of all people. Do you think JJB is capable of AFKing a bus vote at EoD?

With Tube and Bourne on Dwarf and one of them "have to" be scum, isn't it also possible they're both in fact scum? JJB did mention that Bourne is pretty absent from Tube's filter. I'll have to double check that as well.

Still reading Prpl's town games and I'm getting a really queasy feeling that he fits his town meta this game. Yeah, this is goodnight for now. I'm off to smoke and then come back and do some re-reading.

Unless JJB or Prpl want to talk about anything?

On April 16 2015 15:42 The Shining wrote:


I'm asking you if you think he's confident enough to AFK a bus vote. I think he's much more confident as scum AFKing a vote on the other town in a town v town situation.

Or he's town and AFKd his vote just cuz and it's all for naught.

On April 18 2015 06:35 The Shining wrote:



Bah I had that as part of your town meta so idk. Now it's nai for you =P

Yeah I'm happy you guys are playing again. Next newbie seems to be filling up fast.

On April 18 2015 07:37 The Shining wrote:


No lol just that you being wrong and the way you defend those wrong reads after was town. Thought scum rso would be more guilty and therefore less coherently defensive of her reads.

Lesson learned. Read rso thru current game only. And if alive D3, auto lynch.

On April 18 2015 07:37 The Shining wrote:


No lol just that you being wrong and the way you defend those wrong reads after was town. Thought scum rso would be more guilty and therefore less coherently defensive of her reads.

Lesson learned. Read rso thru current game only. And if alive D3, auto lynch.

On April 18 2015 07:56 Trfel wrote:
Protoss! XD

On April 18 2015 07:56 Holyflare wrote:
don't replace till end of cycles next time plz ty <3