Newbie Student Mafia VII

On April 10 2015 23:01 Half the Sky wrote:


Good afternoon! Are you caught up yet? If so do you have any reads or thoughts?

On April 10 2015 23:43 Breshke wrote:


I enjoy this guy coming into the thread and trying to go along with thread sentiment.

Probs OMGUS but scumreading. I believe i had reasoning for voting dwarf it just wasnt in the post where i voted for him

On April 10 2015 23:47 Half the Sky wrote:
Stutters, can you expand on how his defence on prplz was unnecessary? That comment struck me as odd too.

On April 11 2015 02:10 rsoultin wrote:


already quoted the post with the reasoning for his dwarf vote :/

he's not a newbie lol, i've played scum with him before. some meta points for bresh's scumgame:

- he tends to be more decisive (when you already know alignments this is easier to do)
- he tends to give a lot of townreads and few or no scumreads...and the scumreads are generally based on weak reasoning

waffling is actually something he's frequently scumread for when he's town ^^ i'm more concerned with whether or not the reasoning behind his reads make sense (based on the second point) when determining his alignment

On April 11 2015 08:39 jarjarbinks wrote:
Hmm The flip flop begins lol

So I previously wasn't a huge fan of Stutters so far. I'm changing my mind.

Sure, Onegu voted Breshke before. There wasn't too much traction on him before that IMO. He made a case and it looked like he thought it was pretty good. It seems like he has been scumhunting around since then.

I expect him to show his "top four" and his reads besides Breshke. But he did just get in the game. I don't see him as lynchable right now at all.

On April 11 2015 13:52 rsoultin wrote:


i realize that you haven't looked into them yet, but there must be some reason you're interested in prp and plot. mind sharing?

On April 12 2015 03:21 prplhz wrote:
what do people think about the way plotspot is defending (or not defending) himself? he seems really aggressive and confused like he hasn't a clue what's going on but still mad it's happening to him

On April 12 2015 05:13 prplhz wrote:
it's just like stutters has not exactly been noticable this game. then he comes in here, sees people are looking at plot, says "gonna look at plot and write something" and then he just votes him for claiming scum. seems exceedingly lazy and uninterested. no i don't think that looks natural, it looks like he's thinking "guess i'll vote for the current bandwagon for whatever reason i can find in his latest post".

some people are all "he's martyring, lynch him!" but that's just bad play. dunno if it's how stutters play and i'm not going to check his database entry for any fervent anti-martyrism.

On April 12 2015 10:57 rsoultin wrote:
nvm...caught up

meh, can see why ppl got cold feet

hope you keep feeling better oneg! <3 now...

-sits on onegu's head-

i find it hard to believe youve read my filter closely if you really think its mostly questions and metareads xP

stutters could be scum; knowing his alignment for sure would help explain the vote

or he could have just been at work? i think he said he was

anyway im here now if anyone wants to talk, but im driving back to sa tomorrow so prob wont be on for the rest of the night phase after tonight

On April 12 2015 15:50 jarjarbinks wrote:
I'm not seeing the case against stutters. Out of his top 3 scum targets (bresh, prp, and plot), plot was gaining traction and he had to leave. It wouldn't make sense to place a vote on the other two at the time.

I thought it was interesting that he said he was very liable to bus as a mafia teammate(and would bus a bad mafia teammate), and then hts votes plot BECAUSE she thought he wouldn't bus. Did she just miss his quote? It seemed like she was analyzing him pretty hard at the time to decide her vote. Crucial time to miss something like that in a guy with a small filter.

On April 13 2015 09:24 prplhz wrote:
reading some of strutters other games he can live for now

On April 13 2015 12:55 prplhz wrote:
uh i'm not going to say what changed my mind right now

On April 14 2015 01:14 Trfel wrote:
Onegu

Onegu's opening is just terrible. I'm pretty sure that he is scum here. Plotspot was obviously a new player trying to figure out how to play the game, if anything I would read plotspot's opening posts as slightly towny. And Onegu was so quick to jump on scumreading him.

I'd definitely prefer to lynch Onegu than this weird lynch on Half the Sky for just changing her vote.

One scum down, two to go.

On April 14 2015 01:41 Trfel wrote:
Well, so far, I'm townreading all of the dead people, and I'm townreading Onegu......

I know, I'm so helpful. And it also appears that I have no ability whatsoever to read people fairly when I already know their alignment. Was hoping that would have changed....

it's just like stutters has not exactly been noticable this game. then he comes in here, sees people are looking at plot, says "gonna look at plot and write something" and then he just votes him for claiming scum. seems exceedingly lazy and uninterested. no i don't think that looks natural, it looks like he's thinking "guess i'll vote for the current bandwagon for whatever reason i can find in his latest post".

On April 13 2015 13:12 Stutters695 wrote:

I'm aware of my meta, but it's a drastic change, even if you don't have me as town. Give me just one thing you saw. Going off of memory, I can see a few reasons pro-town and pro-scum justifications from my play so far. I want to see where you're coming from.

On April 14 2015 03:28 prplhz wrote:

like, you need to prove you're town way more than i do so i'm not talking about meta points until you do some more.

On April 14 2015 01:58 Trfel wrote:
How serious I was feeling changed?

Anyway, apparently you've been missing in action. It seems that I'm drawing everyone back to the thread. And now I really must eat food, so I will be back later.

On April 14 2015 05:09 Tubesock wrote:


Are you being serious about asking Trfel why he changed his "scum read" on his slot he replaced into?

I'm missing something.

On April 14 2015 06:45 rsoultin wrote:


lol, this push is based on what, a joke scumclaim and a case against truffle's slot based on nothing truffle has done? xP you'd do better to provide the evidence supporting your metaread on prp

On April 13 2015 09:24 prplhz wrote:
reading some of strutters other games he can live for now

On April 14 2015 08:46 jarjarbinks wrote:
So I'm trying to figure out stutters because most people are scumming him and I wasn't. I can take two conclusion from what he's done so far.

1. He is scum and not really trying. This is evident in his first read on bresh. His posting is rather small for someone who has played and knows the game. He seems to focus on himself and people talking to him over others His largest case is on prp, the guy who got the train started for him D1.

2. He is town and is going for a low content/high quality kind of game. Is probing and looking for reactions. His first read on Bresh didn't have much right? He was probably looking for a reaction there and didn't like the reaction, which is evident in his later post on him (i'll quote after this). He sets a trap for Trf. He doesn't really defend himself (I guess he's confident he won't get lynched?) but instead focuses on figuring people out in this game.

The more I read his filter, the more I believe in #2.

IF THIS IS TRUE, than I'm much more suspicious of the people on his train: tube, hts , and prp. With his low content posts, he appears to be an easy target. You could call it a trap? And guess what? All three were on my lists I drew up earlier. hts and prp drew red flags from me earlier. This also helps make the NK make more sense.

Looks like I know where to look to find some scum lol

On April 14 2015 08:59 prplhz wrote:

i am giving you pause to actually play the game.

if you're town you had a 1 page lazy disinterested filter on d1. come d2 i say "i might not be right so i'll give you pause to actually start playing". there's nothing to interact with you about as i don't believe you've actually done anything yet. the interaction you want is "tell me the things you saw in my filter that you expect me to do if i'm scum and the things you expect me to do if i'm town" and that's not happening for obvious reasons.

On April 14 2015 09:19 prplhz wrote:
i was taking great offense but i'll pause for a moment to answer your question.

it's not about giving him tons of slack, it's about him doing weird shit for no reason. seriously no player in their first game as scum thinks it's a super good idea to say stuff like "i'm mysterious" and "stop digging into that" three times. he's just screaming for attention like that. look at bourneq who is wholly unforgettable and barely doing anything. that's super scummy but people are still like "lets lynch newbies who act weird" even after the plot lynch. the dwarf lynch is as bad as the plot lynch was.

On April 14 2015 09:56 Trfel wrote:
I must say, there are a ton of hilarious things in this thread ^^

I should play in newbie games more often!

On April 14 2015 09:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Stutters, you still in thread? I wanted to ask you two key questions regarding your actions D1.

D1, you expressed that Breshke was mafia. You considered prplhz and plotspot for lynch. You pushed Breshke in two posts, and I know you were AFK a bit from the thread D1, but ultimately voted plotspot after a load of people had done so.

I have two questions for you.

1 As a veteran, why were you so sure that plotspot was scumclaiming and not martyring? I understand some vets are familiar with martyring happening and prp has brought it up himself.
2 I know someone else queried you on it but I'm not seeing the response in your filter - had your thoughts on Breshke changed since D1? And if you were sure of Breshke, why didn't you push him further D1?

On April 14 2015 10:31 Breshke wrote:
Stutters have you seen the reason why I am voting you?

On April 14 2015 11:03 Breshke wrote:


I was voting him because of some comment he made in which he basically softed power role. He seemed to ignore the question when he first came back yesterday so that made me even more intrigued but i like his recent answer and am willing to let it slide until next day phase.

##Unvote

I currently want to lynch bourne but i need to read what rso wrote about him again and also read your case on him.

Also i think it is safe to infer we have a etup with a veteran and not a medic as noone has claimed roleblocked meaning scum most likely roleblocked HF which they would only do if they feared he was a vet. Or maybe a vigi but i find that less likely.

On April 14 2015 12:24 Tubesock wrote:
anyone around?

On April 14 2015 12:25 Breshke wrote:


Lol do you play scum really badly? If so we play scum the same

On April 14 2015 13:17 Tubesock wrote:


I don't think I agree with this at all. People are asking you stuff since you're here. If he showed up people will be asking him stuff too.

In my 2nd game a newbie (I don't remember the name of it, but you were nightkilled N1 trfel in it) There was a replacement scum Scott1313371234123541235 for Gumdrops. Gum made 2 posts and was replaced. Scott's entrance was a thread sentiment list post with nice little links to the post for each player that expressed his read. He HAD to show us he read the thread and was eventually caught up. He would have died right then.

Same with you, you HAVE to show you've read town or mafia. Like, you get leeway but not a pardon.

On April 14 2015 14:00 Trfel wrote:
So far, I'm not impressed with TheBloodyDwarf at all. His play is clearly not towny, there is no question of that. I guess I could see him being a stubborn SC2 Mafia player who is new to a forum mafia environment. But then, he clearly stated, in bold, that this isn't SC2 mafia. From there, I expected to see him attempting to play the forum mafia style (not necessarily succeeding, just attempting). And I haven't seen that at all yet.

His late vote without explanation pushed him from null to scum lean.

My current lynch pool is as follows (no particular order):
TheBloodyDwarf, Stutters695, The Shining, and Bourneq

On April 14 2015 23:42 Breshke wrote:
Is thread dead? Ended up going to a friends and the night got away from me. I should probably go to sleep so i have a chance of being around for the deadline but i feel that the way these days have been progressing with many people seemingly holding back their votes is bad for town. Not scummy as ive been doing it myself but it is hard to see where people stand and i feel it is harder for scum to buss or whatever if everyone is actually voting.

That being said I hate that stutters seemingly has little time to play yet when he is in the thread he makes posts like these.





He does not explain anything. Yes he wasnt immediately prompted to do so by someone yet if you cant stick around to interact and talk about these things why not just post your thoughts not shitty general comments. This being said I WILL NOT be voting stutters today and im probably going to regret it.



This post again i kind of like from bourne as it is actually about stuff that is happening this phase and the last sentence is a good observation. Once again shows at elast some critical thinking about the game.

Heres where i start to feel really dirty.

##Vote Theshining

This is third placeholder third because he has promised stuff yet not delivered anything and a third because i don't like the other options

Im aiming to be awake in 5 hours so hopefully see you guys then

On April 15 2015 00:52 rsoultin wrote:
meh i kinda want to lynch stutters not gonna lie -_-

which is why i keep asking you why you don't

i just...meh i had the same problem with soren who flipped town but lol >< the one-liners with no explanation is bugging the shit out of me. he says he doesn't like day 1. okay fine and fair enough. it's day 2 now

stutters why is it so difficult to say why you don't like truffle's post?

On April 15 2015 01:15 Trfel wrote:
It's relative....

Someone like Holyflare is probably the most aggressive. He'll see one post and hard push that player with apparent 100% confidence. Prplhz isn't a player like that. From reading the thread, the impression that I got was that prplhz was leading and driving things along for most of Day 1. His exact tone and wording isn't always very forceful, but when you look at the ideas that he presents, you can see it.

For example, here is the way he treated the vote switch to Stutters695 on Day 1. Most people consider this progression suspicious.
Here is the first post he makes. I believe that he is the first player to suggest leaving the plotspot lynch (I'm not going to go back tons of pages to double check, but he is at least one of the first). At this point, the vote count was very heavily in favor of lynching plotspot (7 on plotspot, 0 on Stutters695). I know that the way he phrases it is a request, but this also makes some sense, since without the support of others he can't actually change the lynch. At this time, Half the Sky is the only person in the thread, and she refuses to switch, so prplhz drops it.
Prplhz also posts his explanation for why he would prefer to lynch Stutters695 over plotspot, and the way he arrived at this read feels towny enough (though that's an issue for another day).

At this point, I would be suspicious of prplhz. Asking one person to switch and then not doing anything when they don't switch isn't very impressive (still something town does all the time, but isn't a very good play). But then Tubesock comes back, and says that he doesn't want to lynch plotspot. Prplhz immediately jumps and asks him who he wants to lynch.Prplhz seems to be more interested in not lynching plotspot than lynching a specific player, and that's fine. Still, despite asking who Tubesock wanted to lynch (Tubesock initially said TheBloodyDwarf), prplhz still argues for a Stutters695 lynch. Then Tubesock shows desire to talk about plotspot and Stutters695, as well as a lack of confidence in lynching plotspot, so it can be assumed that he is willing to lynch Stutters695. And Half the Sky rereads Stutters695's filter, and said that she understands why he is scummy (implying willingness to lynch him). Prplhz immediately switches his vote, the first one to do so.

Prplhz isn't posting huge walls of text or screaming with all caps, but he clearly made a decision and put effort into getting people's attention and making them listen to him. In some of his posts, his tone felt very wishy-washy, however if you look at the consistency of his play, and the context for when he said what he said, he's actually very solid in his decision. Despite the way he asked players to switch votes and seemed willing to follow them wherever, that isn't what he did, and it's obvious that prplhz was leading the thread through this period.

Were plotspot scum, I could see an argument being made for prplhz being scum because of these actions. However, with a flipped plotspot, these actions aren't inherently scummy, and I feel that they are consistent with the rest of prplhz's play in this game.

This is one example, but I feel that prplhz played a leading role throughout Day 1. I'm used to prplhz playing a more reserved role; while he always participates in the thread, this is the first time I have seen him consistently leading. And that's why he is a confident townread.

On April 15 2015 04:20 Tubesock wrote:


I can see it both ways. That's pretty damning. But then I think about how I thought about Plotspot. He reminded me of my first game and how I acted before I was mlynched. My reasoning to leaving Plot was simply to get another day with him. He certainly wasn't being very towny. And I think town!Prplhz could have felt it wasn't going to be a big enough loss to justify more effort.

My level of town protecting is directly proportionate to how towny I think that person is. Isn't yours?

On April 15 2015 05:26 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:

Im just waiting to see are you guys going to lynch me so I can do my final post and waste my vote.

On April 15 2015 05:44 The Shining wrote:


100% is a pretty strong number.

On April 15 2015 05:56 Trfel wrote:
And I don't care, because I don't like your reasons for not lynching The Shining?

He simply isn't doing anything that I find impressive. He's been inconsistent for how much he blames his availability and his replacing into the game, to the level where I feel that he's trying to survive instead of trying to catch scum.

On April 15 2015 06:06 Bourneq wrote:

Well prplhz has been defending dwarf the entire game, do you think he would do that knowing he would be very likely to be lynched anyway? I give prpl a lot of town points for that.

On April 15 2015 07:02 prplhz wrote:
what happened

On April 15 2015 09:17 prplhz wrote:
no wait, i don't actually give a shit. i'm so pissed at this open setup can't even fake claim cop tomorrow.

On April 15 2015 10:54 prplhz wrote:

people would listen to me more

On April 16 2015 01:11 Trfel wrote:
I kind of think we should shoot LoneMeow. Fecalfeast tends to be lazy, so if we shoot LoneMeow, there won't be any vote counts, so it will be extremely easy to mess with town in shenanigan votes.

On April 16 2015 03:23 Trfel wrote:
Okay, fine, his Day 2 was weaker. But I don't care? He played an extremely solid Day 1. Read through his filter again, there's an explanation for everything he's been doing.