EPTExplain please. You're isolating your read from a single post and ignoring everything else that they posted. How is that not a bad read? A read needs to be supported and backed up by other evidence/post so that it strengthens your read.
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Soren333
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Explain please. You're isolating your read from a single post and ignoring everything else that they posted. How is that not a bad read? A read needs to be supported and backed up by other evidence/post so that it strengthens your read. | ||
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On April 11 2015 03:01 prplhz wrote: dunno if you're my top townies right now but you seem alright and if you agree that's probably a good sign maybe bloodydwarf is my top town read but i'm not sheeping him Now why would you sheep a weaker town read than your top town read? | ||
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On April 11 2015 05:07 Stutters695 wrote: Bourneq: You listed myself, onegu, rsoultin, prpl, jarjar, ace and Bloody as null/scummy. That's obviously too many people to be scum and we can only lynch one today. Ignore Ace (assume he's dead either way for this question), who do you lynch today and what makes them scum? Anyone else here? I like this post. Stutters is addressing the problem at hand. If you have too many scum reads then you're doing it wrong. | ||
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On April 11 2015 05:12 Bourneq wrote: I only count 2 people I put as scum. I said I was leaning towards this or that on some people but I did not list them as scum. Oh never mind, stutters misread it. | ||
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On April 11 2015 07:04 jarjarbinks wrote: My point on 4 was comparing Dwarf to plot. When Dwarf went crazy, people jumped on him. Not everyone, but enough people I would say. When plot did it? Pretty much disregarded until I mentioned things. I would think that mafia people would be more hesitant to jump on their partner. Again, not a strong point but most of my points weren't that strong. Let me check the vote thing. I might have been wrong lol What did plot do? | ||
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On April 11 2015 07:43 plotspot wrote: whoa a post from the past.^^ How should I answer this. There is a world of mind. A world of speech and a world of action. I certainly said prplhz is town, I think his early initiative and throrough way of examination befits that of a townsperson caring for the town. about Dwarf I don't know, looks like a victim so far. Onegu? 70% town. I think the host screwed up. Everybody is town^^. Or he is lazy giving out the roles according to the order on the front page.^^ This should be easy. Man don't read anything from this, I just enjoy the game ok?^^ I mean I observe, this game it really helps to know the posting style or habit or a person. I really cringe at some conclusion about me, you are all paranoid.^^ Ok, I don't have the super reading powers. I just know that Half the Sky and Soren thinks 100% that I'm town. Make of it what you can. Wait. I didn't call him scum. I think you are awfully suspicious for talking like you know I'm 100% town. That's my original quote I only said I considered switching my vote, because he made 2 strange mistakes, like wanting a voting thread or saying I didn't explain myself to prplhz when easy checking could have confirmed I did. It was very early in the game, but why am I explaining things, isn't the uncertainty what he is obvious in the quote? Where do I even begin with this horrendous post... | ||
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On April 11 2015 16:09 rsoultin wrote: List of awesome! Solid town Prp - pointed, fluid reads, not his scum range Prob town breshke - the devils advocate stuff plus early scumreads jjb - insights, paranoia toward me rings true lol >< need more interaction tho to put him w/ prp maybe town hts - can move up once clears up prp read progression bourneq - active, like the fluff thought process but the changing narrative on prps entry bugs me null tube - too few posts, content fine tbd - gut says newbie town floundering but he has literally nothing in his filter stutters - pending clarification, posts gen okay but again too few scummy oneg - tonal lol cant shake it ace/shining - would be null if not for the wall text post i didnt like soren - the dropped scumread and activity falloff bugs me >< also that i feel like i should be tring hom for his early posting but im not...something feels off lynch w/ fire plot - bs meter, lack of anything substantial in filter this late in day 1 ##vote: plotspot wifi went out again -_- meh this is prob my vote unless something jumps out at me in the morning How in the world is prp a solid town? | ||
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On April 11 2015 17:46 Tubesock wrote: So, I have this fascination with trying to read difficult/cryptic players. Players like Alakaslam, Sicklucker, Chezinu, and LightningStrike. It's dumb, but I absolutely love playing with those guys. I fall into big traps though, like finding deep meaning into statements and their word useage and once I think they are scummy I really get into confirmation bias. I'm really confused on TheBloodyDwarf. He hasn't done a single towny thing yet. He's blatantly ignoring requests for any type of read and isn't helping town at all. I mean it's so anti-town that mafia would at least try to fake something. He's not even doing that. He like doesn't care at all, he's trying to act as scummy as possible it seems. He made some posts which made me unvote him. At that time I was thinking he was basically softclaiming Vet. I didn't want to pursue anything and I think others were thinking the same thing. It would obviously defeat the purpose of him being vet. While at work i was thinking about him a lot. It just bugged me. A vet would play towny right? The entire point is to make MAFIA shoot you. But then you also have to avoid being lynched. And he's obviously not doing that. Then my tinfoil hat deflected an alien interrogation beam. TheBloodyDwarf is Godfather. BloodyDwarf comes from SC2 mafia arcade. So it's safe to say he plays SC2. He presumeably found TL mafia from the SC2 forums. He's not dumb, he's probably the more hardcore gamer type. TL Mafia does seem like the harder core version of many versions of mafia I think. So, he's fucking smart. He's not playing poorly at all. If he is Godfather, he KNOWS the setup. He knows if there is a cop/doc/vigi/vet. The OP says mafia knows. Reread his filter, doesn't it look like he's trying to make people think he's vet? "Don't shoot me" "I hope cop/vigi are guud". Yeah, he wants to make it look like he doesn't really know the setup but is telling the cop to check him so he returns town. He then knows who the cop is and mafia get to kill him. And he is basically confirmed town who gets to live at least another day. He softs vet knowing people probably won't push him since an outed vet is sooo bad for town. He then doesn't have to act towny. But in order to get cop checked he has to act really scummy so that the cop will check him over other question marks. Holy shit this is an amazing play. My tinfoils may sound crazy and stupid but holy shit in the 3 games I've finished I nailed at least 2 scum each time. Both were the strong mafia guys (Holyflare and Geript from Carol and Joat). What other scenario explains how TheBloodyDwarf is playing? The more I think about this the more I believe. Where are the holes in my thinking? Holy tits | ||
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On April 11 2015 18:34 Tubesock wrote: The cop check request: Another possible softing to cop check: And another: This is more interesting. And really instigated my tinfoil. And what I REALLY need feedback on due to my overthinking at times. He leaves out doc and vet. This seems to me to be the soft claim. It's retarded I know, but I think the spelling "guud" is absolutely intentional. And: Maybe overthinking, but damn..."mindgames", "guud". Like it's in the weird obvious but not obvious realm. I think he's mindfucking us. He's goddamn Godfather. Like he really really wants that cop check to bring his "evidence" to the table. Like holy shit. Plus, he has done absolutely ZERO scumhunting. He's overtly and covertly trying to get the cop check. That's his entire goal so far. You're a God. My vote is staying on dwarfy. | ||
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On April 11 2015 18:53 prplhz wrote: this is super debatable but what isn't debatable is that sc2 arcade mafia players in a newbie game would never do this. anyway, COP SHOULDN'T OUT HIMSELF TO GIVE A GREEN CHECK. What about in a MYLO situation tho. | ||
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On April 11 2015 20:47 prplhz wrote: you quote posts and make superficial one liners Is that a bad thing? | ||
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On April 11 2015 21:09 Breshke wrote: Soren when you are on PC can you give me your top like 3 or so town with reasons please I'll do something of that sort. | ||
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On April 11 2015 22:32 rsoultin wrote: O.o Tube moving up lol but dude i think you may be high on something xP not a huge fan of narratives anyway. yours at least had me laughing? dwarf could you please give reads? even if you like arent sure on any of them? prp read is in part knowing him but mostly the nature of his posts. hes aggressive, has made some sharp comments/observations, and his reads adapt to what is going on in the thread rather than remaining static lol you...returning to prp scumread after its poinyed out that you seemed to drop it, plus some of those posts that are pure commentary...id be happy to lynch you today >< what do you think about that? I think that you're interpreting it in the wrong light. | ||
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On April 11 2015 23:37 Soren333 wrote: For some reason I prefer playing/browsing & using this site on my phone than the computer. I'll just read on my phone and type on the pc. | ||
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On April 10 2015 06:06 prplhz wrote: i might or might not be scum any thoughts? So first of prplhz starts of with this crap. I've stated before and I'll state it again, everyone might or might not be scum so what's the point of this question. It's pointless and drives a pointless discussion. The only way this is redeemable is that prplhz wanted to start some discussion by asking a question, but asked the wrong kind of question. I'm not sure if prplhz is a newbie or not, so if someone can clarify that with me that'll be great. Anyways prplhz what were you even trying to do with this question? So I scumread prp for scum from this. But between this and the next point that I'm going to make, prp hasn't exactly done anything noticeably scummy. On April 10 2015 20:52 prplhz wrote: read his filter and tell me one thing that makes him look either town or scum instead he spends all the time making non-reads and only when prodded, not on his own. scum don't want to contribute and that's exactly what he's doing, not contributing. say what you want about plotspot but there's more townie in his filter than in bourneq's filter. plotspot is at least trying. i agree that his 100% read is super weird but at least it's a read. Moving on, the next odd thing started with this. I thought it was a reasonable read and went with it. On April 10 2015 21:11 prplhz wrote: nothing he is prodded he shows up and says whatever more of the same But then what irks me is this tunneling. This is falling back on confirmation bias where prp is interpretation new information in a way that confirms his initial hypothesis (the initial hypothesis being that broune is scum), while ignoring information that disconfirms his initial hypoethesis. The information that disconfirms his initial hypothesis (the hypothesis that bourne is scum because he only ever posts when prodded or when someone votes on him) as explained here: On April 10 2015 21:01 Bourneq wrote: Because the game started at 23.00 yesterday at which time I was busy. Then spending my last hour barely awake trying to get my first reads on people. The first thing I did this morning was to ask questions that had nothing to do with me being proded or voted on so your argument falls flat. Of course my posts will be centered around me when I am the first one to be voted for, and there for I have been proded a lot. Am I not suppost to respond to questions or what? And that first morning post that Bourne made without being prodded is shown here: On April 10 2015 18:54 Bourneq wrote: Good morning! Dwarf I am interested in how you did not know what scum means. It is meantioned twice in the OP and twice in the followup post right after. Seeing how you missed the part about editing it makes a bit more sense since you obviously did not read the thing. But under coaches for example it says Town: Scum: It is pretty hard to missunderstand what scum in this context means. As a fellow newbie I understand you could be speaking the truth but did you really not read the OP? So the problem I had with this is that prp ignored information that disproves his hypothesis and interprets it instead, in light of scum reading bourne. Having said this, prp is not being stubborn so he finally redeems himself with this post: On April 11 2015 16:24 prplhz wrote: would you rather i continue to push bourneq for doing things like voting someone, giving an excuse for why they could be town and then saying he isn't even his biggest scum read? because people don't like that so i'm going to try to drop it. now we're going in this direction and it's fine. And after reading most of prp's filter, the main scum read is that question he started with, and a scum read based on something so trivial isn't worth a scum read at all given the rest of his post. Having said that, prp isn't exactly being the best town either. He's making a few comments here and there, but nothing really insightful nor with depth. I'm not sure what he meant with stop scum reading people that are purposely trying to be mysterious and I also see a lack of motivation from a town point of view as he wants to sheep the siblings. But at least right now, he's not screaming scum at me. So my read on prp right now is between "prp is so bad at playing scum that he must be town!" and a town lacking motivation. | ||
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And its pretty much bad luck if you get killed. Doc can heal, Vet blocks, some roles cannot die during nights.
