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On March 27 2015 00:35 Superbia wrote:
One of the problems I (and many others) had with Slam is that he started off this game very serious after having a very loose and "chupazi" pregame. I also know that this would be his 3rd (?) mafia in a row, after the previous game hosted by HtS (where he rolled mafia for the second time after a reroll). I don't honestly know why Slam has felt so bitter this game, it kind of makes me feel bad if I read him scum (which I think he very well could be).
thing is, he has stated multiple times that he wants to get lynched and wants to give up and yet has come back in the thread posting like he doesn't give a fuck about what people are saying about him. Especially in the conversation he had.
He doesn't strike me as someone who fakes emotions as mafia at all. If he's angry he's angry. Getting a sack of sleep and comming back rejuvenated to some degree that he can just do his thing without caring all too much actually makes sense.
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EBWOP Especially in the most recent conversation he had.
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I need to head out now. I'll check in when I can, but I might not be back until a couple of hours before the deadline. I'm sorry about that. But my reads aren't the best, and I'm not terribly familiar with this game, so it's probably better that I'm not the person leading town anyway.
Want to lynch:
Onegu
ritoky
Could lynch:
Fecalfeast
Superbia
Artanis (meh)
Alakaslam
Breshke (though I haven't read his filter at all)
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On March 27 2015 00:51 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 00:35 Superbia wrote:
One of the problems I (and many others) had with Slam is that he started off this game very serious after having a very loose and "chupazi" pregame. I also know that this would be his 3rd (?) mafia in a row, after the previous game hosted by HtS (where he rolled mafia for the second time after a reroll). I don't honestly know why Slam has felt so bitter this game, it kind of makes me feel bad if I read him scum (which I think he very well could be). thing is, he has stated multiple times that he wants to get lynched and wants to give up and yet has come back in the thread posting like he doesn't give a fuck about what people are saying about him. Especially in the conversation he had. He doesn't strike me as someone who fakes emotions as mafia at all. If he's angry he's angry. Getting a sack of sleep and comming back rejuvenated to some degree that he can just do his thing without caring all too much actually makes sense. Superbia, compare this to Down Under 2. It's very different.
There, Alakaslam asked for a case on him, and never defended himself, just vanished.
Here, Alakaslam is yelling and arguing constantly (not in a way that logically defends him, but still, he's arguing). I don't think he would do this as scum, while he's listed in a scumlist in which everyone is set to be lynched. If he is scum, he would either concede (if no one in his team is in the town list) or let himself die (if someone from his team is in the town list). I don't see Alakaslam arguing like this.
And once again, I state that Alakaslam's decision to play serious in this game is most likely a direct result of Onegu using a mathematical formula based on the number of times he says chupazi, svengali, and hijole to read him.
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He was playing somewhat more seriously in the last PYP game as town, but he was more inquisitive in that game from I recall. That being said, the last few pages in which he acted sparked a certain interest. I'm not really interested in lynching him atm. We'll see what he says when he comes around today.
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On March 26 2015 10:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 10:30 Trfel wrote:Artanis, why do you think that Onegu is town? While this post failed to account for Onegu's read on rsoultin and the fact that Onegu has a soul read on raynpelikoneet, I think it is correct in that there is no real downside for mafia fake-claiming vigilante, and there is incentive to do so. I did some meta reading. Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 23:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Okay there's something in Onegu's tone I noticed in Neat & Tidy (mafia) that struck my eye because it felt very un-Oneguish. On August 20 2014 13:41 Onegu wrote:
Yeah its not me never has been.
Rayn is the only thing that makes sense. He played me all game and I was wrong thinking I could read him.
Guys please dig my filter and realize its not me. If you fools want to know the reason its not me 100%, I have rolled scum I believe 7 times, of those 7 times I have won 2. A newbie and when I was paired with Marv and Sylencia. In most of the other games rayn it was you who had me pinned as mafia day 1/2 for legit reasons.
The only thing that stuck in my craw yesterday about rayn and makeing me feel he is scum today besides PoE. Is this, i push kush yesterday, rayn then comes into the thread throws his vote on kush, I follow with my vote. He then asks why I feel kush is mafia even though I have already given it, rayn even though voteing kush never gives his reason for voteing kush until late in the day after being pushed for it. There's something that feels very defeatist about this, and it's formulated in a way very differently to how Onegu said he's fine with getting lynched this game. It feels more... theatrical, like he has to put on a show. Onegu this game has not felt like he's putting on a show at all. I think I'm going to go with town onegu for now. Also Palmar seemingly committing on Onegu if he doesn't claim (which, if Onegu is mafia, Palmar already knows Onegu can't/won't do) is also an argument in his favour.
What are you saying? I was scum in neat and tidy...
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On March 19 2015 18:52 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 18:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
let's talk in code words and only explain it in our mason qt Palmar? It seems wise to take this conversation somewhere private where other people can't hear.
Thoughts on this?
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On March 27 2015 01:01 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 10:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 10:30 Trfel wrote:Artanis, why do you think that Onegu is town? While this post failed to account for Onegu's read on rsoultin and the fact that Onegu has a soul read on raynpelikoneet, I think it is correct in that there is no real downside for mafia fake-claiming vigilante, and there is incentive to do so. I did some meta reading. On March 25 2015 23:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Okay there's something in Onegu's tone I noticed in Neat & Tidy (mafia) that struck my eye because it felt very un-Oneguish. On August 20 2014 13:41 Onegu wrote:
Yeah its not me never has been.
Rayn is the only thing that makes sense. He played me all game and I was wrong thinking I could read him.
Guys please dig my filter and realize its not me. If you fools want to know the reason its not me 100%, I have rolled scum I believe 7 times, of those 7 times I have won 2. A newbie and when I was paired with Marv and Sylencia. In most of the other games rayn it was you who had me pinned as mafia day 1/2 for legit reasons.
The only thing that stuck in my craw yesterday about rayn and makeing me feel he is scum today besides PoE. Is this, i push kush yesterday, rayn then comes into the thread throws his vote on kush, I follow with my vote. He then asks why I feel kush is mafia even though I have already given it, rayn even though voteing kush never gives his reason for voteing kush until late in the day after being pushed for it. There's something that feels very defeatist about this, and it's formulated in a way very differently to how Onegu said he's fine with getting lynched this game. It feels more... theatrical, like he has to put on a show. Onegu this game has not felt like he's putting on a show at all. I think I'm going to go with town onegu for now. Also Palmar seemingly committing on Onegu if he doesn't claim (which, if Onegu is mafia, Palmar already knows Onegu can't/won't do) is also an argument in his favour. What are you saying? I was scum in neat and tidy...
Yes, and I'm comparing the way you said you're okay with getting lynched in that game compared to this one and noticing that it's different.
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No thoughts on what I posted about Onegu?
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On March 27 2015 01:11 Trfel wrote:
No thoughts on what I posted about Onegu?
I'm playing poker, saw Onegu post something and figured I could reply to it quickly. Will look into it after.
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On March 27 2015 01:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 01:11 Trfel wrote:
No thoughts on what I posted about Onegu? I'm playing poker, saw Onegu post something and figured I could reply to it quickly. Will look into it after. Yeah, that's fine.
I suppose it also makes sense to let Onegu reply first.
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On March 27 2015 01:11 Trfel wrote:
No thoughts on what I posted about Onegu?
I'm already voting him
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Also, why do you still want to lynch Ritoky? Rayn/Palmar interactions suggest Rayn is probably town as well as Rayn/Onegu being unlikely due to Onegu claiming mason with Rayn which Rayn then refused.
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On March 27 2015 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:
I was honestly starting to like Slam in the last 12 or so hours as well as the first 12 hours. He looked really bad inbetween, for example last day and when he told people to lynch him like he already gave up. Today it looked like townslam.
That's what I meant with I need more time to read Slam... I'm just not sure at all about him. I'm seeing what I consider to be both of his alignments from time to time
I'm getting conflicting messages from people that say they can read him though. Onegu says Slam is scum, Ritoky says he's town and you're in between and since I don't have any idea I'm not sure this is ever going to sort itself out. How do you read Slam? Can you write me a guidebook?
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Actually you explained it at the top of the page, nvm.
I just have trouble imagining a scumteam that doesn't involve slam simply through poe.
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On March 27 2015 01:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also, why do you still want to lynch Ritoky? Rayn/Palmar interactions suggest Rayn is probably town as well as Rayn/Onegu being unlikely due to Onegu claiming mason with Rayn which Rayn then refused. I'm still not really sold on the whole "Palmar said he's scum, so he's town" thing. And I think it's reasonable that both Onegu and raynpelikoneet were mafia together. I can see Onegu doing something without asking first (I can't verify Onegu saying that he never would), and I can see raynpelikoneet checking the thread before the scum qt.
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Also, Trfel, why is Damdred off the table for you but I'm still on it? I understand if you're going the full skeptical way but putting me below Damdred at this point when he hasn't really done much in recent times is questionable.
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On March 27 2015 01:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Actually you explained it at the top of the page, nvm.
I just have trouble imagining a scumteam that doesn't involve slam simply through poe. And I'm thinking that some of your townreads are a bit weak. The Onegu one being a prime example (unless there is more behind it that you didn't state).
That's actually why I've been told to not use POE, because it can lead to weak townreads.
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On March 27 2015 01:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also, Trfel, why is Damdred off the table for you but I'm still on it? I understand if you're going the full skeptical way but putting me below Damdred at this point when he hasn't really done much in recent times is questionable. You're not really on the table. But it's more like, there are two people here who want to lynch you (Vivax and Superbia), and there is no one actively pushing for Damdred at this time. So I don't really see Damdred getting lynched today, regardless.
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On March 27 2015 01:23 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 01:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also, why do you still want to lynch Ritoky? Rayn/Palmar interactions suggest Rayn is probably town as well as Rayn/Onegu being unlikely due to Onegu claiming mason with Rayn which Rayn then refused. I'm still not really sold on the whole "Palmar said he's scum, so he's town" thing. And I think it's reasonable that both Onegu and raynpelikoneet were mafia together. I can see Onegu doing something without asking first (I can't verify Onegu saying that he never would), and I can see raynpelikoneet checking the thread before the scum qt.
It feels a bit stretchy though. I actually have no idea how Palmar treats his scumbuddies, just from hearsay. Guess I should look it up.
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