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On March 27 2015 02:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I've read your reasons for wanting to lynch Onegu, but I've only heard you counter arguments to townread Ritoky. What makes you scumread him to the same level as you do on Onegu? I need to eat lunch, and then I might be gone for some time. Sorry.
The reasons I scumread ritoky are as follows:
- Whatever the reasons are that people scumread raynpelikoneet (this is the part of the game I didn't actually read, it seems to be his overreaction to Palmar's joke, in which case I would need to check raynpelikoneet's town and scum reactions to getting prodded early in the game)
- Making a tracker claim, typing /unconfirm (spelled incorrectly), and then re-claiming tracker, and then ritoky claims VT, thereby causing massive confusion for town
- Raynpelikoneet didn't do much all game long, and most of his actions can only be explained (from a town perspective) as being carried away with anger
- Ritoky is willing to give everything he has to playing as mafia, and his scum game is hard to catch, and he hasn't done anything this game that he is incapable of as scum
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Tryng out matjes for the first time today
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Since we're lynching fish I made a quickstop at the next supermarket to improve my health along with it
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On March 27 2015 00:07 sicklucker wrote:
but did he do it on day1 artanis? rayn would never bus his whole team day1
He did in XXX
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Holy shit they taste amazingly good.
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On March 27 2015 00:44 Trfel wrote:I already stated why I don't think that Onegu fake-claiming mason is something that is bad for mafia to do. Therefore, I am inclined to think that Onegu is scum for the following reasons: - At the start of Day 2, Onegu says that mafia wouldn't double stack due to the possibility of a medic. However, 23 minutes later, he says that rsoultin is mafia for making a weird save, when due to the large number of other claimed blues, the mafia would never have done a medic dodge.
- Onegu's scumread on rsoultin doesn't make much sense. This read is conditional on one of the vigilantes being mafia. Onegu indirectly states that Toadesstern is mafia (through quoting one of raynpelikoneet's posts), but never really pushes Toadesstern at all. I would expect town to push Toadesstern first, and then rsoultin second (especially given that Toadesstern used his bullet, and rsoultin is claimed jailkeeper).
- Onegu says that raynpelikoneet's tracker claim is genuine, but knows that raynpelikoneet always fake-claims. This is a weak point, though.
- Apparently Onegu has a soul read on raynpelikoneet, so I can't really scumread him for fake-claiming mason with him, despite the large amount of confusion this caused. However, before the mason claim, Onegu never really defended raynpelikoneet, despite the pressure he was under. After the mason claim, Onegu didn't defend raynpelikoneet until significantly later. If Onegu was confident enough in raynpelikoneet being town, he should have defended him after raynpelikoneet stated that he was tracker, and not mason. If Onegu didn't think it was worth defending raynpelikoneet until later, when he actually did start defending him, then he should have claimed mason then instead. The disconnect between claiming mason with raynpelikoneet and actually defending him doesn't make sense to me.
However, I'm not sure if he will be back before the deadline. And with his son recently having gone through surgery, today is the very worst day to push him. Although objectively, I think he is the best lynch, I am not sure if pushing him today is the best idea.
It's dumb to double stack in a large game period.
A lot of my reads are gut based. Doesn't matter how I got to them not a scum tell
thought a non tracker Rayn would go with my mason claim
Didn't read rayn's filter until then so I didn't have my soul read on him until then
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On March 27 2015 01:23 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 01:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also, why do you still want to lynch Ritoky? Rayn/Palmar interactions suggest Rayn is probably town as well as Rayn/Onegu being unlikely due to Onegu claiming mason with Rayn which Rayn then refused. I'm still not really sold on the whole "Palmar said he's scum, so he's town" thing. And I think it's reasonable that both Onegu and raynpelikoneet were mafia together. I can see Onegu doing something without asking first (I can't verify Onegu saying that he never would), and I can see raynpelikoneet checking the thread before the scum qt.
I gave you the games we had QT's together if you are scum reading me for this then go verify. This is so bad dude
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On March 27 2015 02:28 Toadesstern wrote:
pics or I call fake
Im afraid they will be gone until my cams battery is fully reloaded.
You can have the confection. From Warhanek.
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On March 27 2015 02:28 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 00:44 Trfel wrote:I already stated why I don't think that Onegu fake-claiming mason is something that is bad for mafia to do. Therefore, I am inclined to think that Onegu is scum for the following reasons: - At the start of Day 2, Onegu says that mafia wouldn't double stack due to the possibility of a medic. However, 23 minutes later, he says that rsoultin is mafia for making a weird save, when due to the large number of other claimed blues, the mafia would never have done a medic dodge.
- Onegu's scumread on rsoultin doesn't make much sense. This read is conditional on one of the vigilantes being mafia. Onegu indirectly states that Toadesstern is mafia (through quoting one of raynpelikoneet's posts), but never really pushes Toadesstern at all. I would expect town to push Toadesstern first, and then rsoultin second (especially given that Toadesstern used his bullet, and rsoultin is claimed jailkeeper).
- Onegu says that raynpelikoneet's tracker claim is genuine, but knows that raynpelikoneet always fake-claims. This is a weak point, though.
- Apparently Onegu has a soul read on raynpelikoneet, so I can't really scumread him for fake-claiming mason with him, despite the large amount of confusion this caused. However, before the mason claim, Onegu never really defended raynpelikoneet, despite the pressure he was under. After the mason claim, Onegu didn't defend raynpelikoneet until significantly later. If Onegu was confident enough in raynpelikoneet being town, he should have defended him after raynpelikoneet stated that he was tracker, and not mason. If Onegu didn't think it was worth defending raynpelikoneet until later, when he actually did start defending him, then he should have claimed mason then instead. The disconnect between claiming mason with raynpelikoneet and actually defending him doesn't make sense to me.
However, I'm not sure if he will be back before the deadline. And with his son recently having gone through surgery, today is the very worst day to push him. Although objectively, I think he is the best lynch, I am not sure if pushing him today is the best idea. It's dumb to double stack in a large game period. A lot of my reads are gut based. Doesn't matter how I got to them not a scum tell thought a non tracker Rayn would go with my mason claimDidn't read rayn's filter until then so I didn't have my soul read on him until then
so you knew from the start that Rayn was fakeclaiming, as a result claimed mason buddy with rayn because you thought he'd go along. Then faked your read on him as well as your mafia read on me based on "Rayn is telling the truth, so you or Vivax have to be fakeclaiming" ?
Am I understanding this correctly?
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I think I've found my lynch for today
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On March 27 2015 02:32 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 02:28 Onegu wrote:On March 27 2015 00:44 Trfel wrote:I already stated why I don't think that Onegu fake-claiming mason is something that is bad for mafia to do. Therefore, I am inclined to think that Onegu is scum for the following reasons: - At the start of Day 2, Onegu says that mafia wouldn't double stack due to the possibility of a medic. However, 23 minutes later, he says that rsoultin is mafia for making a weird save, when due to the large number of other claimed blues, the mafia would never have done a medic dodge.
- Onegu's scumread on rsoultin doesn't make much sense. This read is conditional on one of the vigilantes being mafia. Onegu indirectly states that Toadesstern is mafia (through quoting one of raynpelikoneet's posts), but never really pushes Toadesstern at all. I would expect town to push Toadesstern first, and then rsoultin second (especially given that Toadesstern used his bullet, and rsoultin is claimed jailkeeper).
- Onegu says that raynpelikoneet's tracker claim is genuine, but knows that raynpelikoneet always fake-claims. This is a weak point, though.
- Apparently Onegu has a soul read on raynpelikoneet, so I can't really scumread him for fake-claiming mason with him, despite the large amount of confusion this caused. However, before the mason claim, Onegu never really defended raynpelikoneet, despite the pressure he was under. After the mason claim, Onegu didn't defend raynpelikoneet until significantly later. If Onegu was confident enough in raynpelikoneet being town, he should have defended him after raynpelikoneet stated that he was tracker, and not mason. If Onegu didn't think it was worth defending raynpelikoneet until later, when he actually did start defending him, then he should have claimed mason then instead. The disconnect between claiming mason with raynpelikoneet and actually defending him doesn't make sense to me.
However, I'm not sure if he will be back before the deadline. And with his son recently having gone through surgery, today is the very worst day to push him. Although objectively, I think he is the best lynch, I am not sure if pushing him today is the best idea. It's dumb to double stack in a large game period. A lot of my reads are gut based. Doesn't matter how I got to them not a scum tell thought a non tracker Rayn would go with my mason claimDidn't read rayn's filter until then so I didn't have my soul read on him until then so you knew from the start that Rayn was fakeclaiming, as a result claimed mason buddy with rayn because you thought he'd go along. Then faked your read on him as well as your mafia read on me based on "Rayn is telling the truth, so you or Vivax have to be fakeclaiming" ? Am I understanding this correctly?
I thought he took his claim back. When he wrote /unconfirmed right after being asked about who he tracked, I missed his next post saying he tracked VE
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On March 27 2015 02:32 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 02:28 Onegu wrote:On March 27 2015 00:44 Trfel wrote:I already stated why I don't think that Onegu fake-claiming mason is something that is bad for mafia to do. Therefore, I am inclined to think that Onegu is scum for the following reasons: - At the start of Day 2, Onegu says that mafia wouldn't double stack due to the possibility of a medic. However, 23 minutes later, he says that rsoultin is mafia for making a weird save, when due to the large number of other claimed blues, the mafia would never have done a medic dodge.
- Onegu's scumread on rsoultin doesn't make much sense. This read is conditional on one of the vigilantes being mafia. Onegu indirectly states that Toadesstern is mafia (through quoting one of raynpelikoneet's posts), but never really pushes Toadesstern at all. I would expect town to push Toadesstern first, and then rsoultin second (especially given that Toadesstern used his bullet, and rsoultin is claimed jailkeeper).
- Onegu says that raynpelikoneet's tracker claim is genuine, but knows that raynpelikoneet always fake-claims. This is a weak point, though.
- Apparently Onegu has a soul read on raynpelikoneet, so I can't really scumread him for fake-claiming mason with him, despite the large amount of confusion this caused. However, before the mason claim, Onegu never really defended raynpelikoneet, despite the pressure he was under. After the mason claim, Onegu didn't defend raynpelikoneet until significantly later. If Onegu was confident enough in raynpelikoneet being town, he should have defended him after raynpelikoneet stated that he was tracker, and not mason. If Onegu didn't think it was worth defending raynpelikoneet until later, when he actually did start defending him, then he should have claimed mason then instead. The disconnect between claiming mason with raynpelikoneet and actually defending him doesn't make sense to me.
However, I'm not sure if he will be back before the deadline. And with his son recently having gone through surgery, today is the very worst day to push him. Although objectively, I think he is the best lynch, I am not sure if pushing him today is the best idea. It's dumb to double stack in a large game period. A lot of my reads are gut based. Doesn't matter how I got to them not a scum tell thought a non tracker Rayn would go with my mason claimDidn't read rayn's filter until then so I didn't have my soul read on him until then so you knew from the start that Rayn was fakeclaiming, as a result claimed mason buddy with rayn because you thought he'd go along. Then faked your read on him as well as your mafia read on me based on "Rayn is telling the truth, so you or Vivax have to be fakeclaiming" ? Am I understanding this correctly?
Wait what. Did Onegu base his reads on us on the premise that he and rayn are masons?
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On March 27 2015 02:35 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 02:32 Toadesstern wrote:On March 27 2015 02:28 Onegu wrote:On March 27 2015 00:44 Trfel wrote:I already stated why I don't think that Onegu fake-claiming mason is something that is bad for mafia to do. Therefore, I am inclined to think that Onegu is scum for the following reasons: - At the start of Day 2, Onegu says that mafia wouldn't double stack due to the possibility of a medic. However, 23 minutes later, he says that rsoultin is mafia for making a weird save, when due to the large number of other claimed blues, the mafia would never have done a medic dodge.
- Onegu's scumread on rsoultin doesn't make much sense. This read is conditional on one of the vigilantes being mafia. Onegu indirectly states that Toadesstern is mafia (through quoting one of raynpelikoneet's posts), but never really pushes Toadesstern at all. I would expect town to push Toadesstern first, and then rsoultin second (especially given that Toadesstern used his bullet, and rsoultin is claimed jailkeeper).
- Onegu says that raynpelikoneet's tracker claim is genuine, but knows that raynpelikoneet always fake-claims. This is a weak point, though.
- Apparently Onegu has a soul read on raynpelikoneet, so I can't really scumread him for fake-claiming mason with him, despite the large amount of confusion this caused. However, before the mason claim, Onegu never really defended raynpelikoneet, despite the pressure he was under. After the mason claim, Onegu didn't defend raynpelikoneet until significantly later. If Onegu was confident enough in raynpelikoneet being town, he should have defended him after raynpelikoneet stated that he was tracker, and not mason. If Onegu didn't think it was worth defending raynpelikoneet until later, when he actually did start defending him, then he should have claimed mason then instead. The disconnect between claiming mason with raynpelikoneet and actually defending him doesn't make sense to me.
However, I'm not sure if he will be back before the deadline. And with his son recently having gone through surgery, today is the very worst day to push him. Although objectively, I think he is the best lynch, I am not sure if pushing him today is the best idea. It's dumb to double stack in a large game period. A lot of my reads are gut based. Doesn't matter how I got to them not a scum tell thought a non tracker Rayn would go with my mason claimDidn't read rayn's filter until then so I didn't have my soul read on him until then so you knew from the start that Rayn was fakeclaiming, as a result claimed mason buddy with rayn because you thought he'd go along. Then faked your read on him as well as your mafia read on me based on "Rayn is telling the truth, so you or Vivax have to be fakeclaiming" ? Am I understanding this correctly? Wait what. Did Onegu base his reads on us on the premise that he and rayn are masons?
no but he was talking about how genuine his claim was and how he believed it if I'm not mixing him up with someone else right now... lemme look that up real quick
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And he just clarified that he thought raynpelikoneet really was the tracker...
##vote Onegu
For now, at least.
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On March 22 2015 18:07 Onegu wrote:Be,cause you posted this after people asked your results
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On March 22 2015 18:08 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 17:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:I tracked Vivax he didn't do anything. ##vote LighntingStrikeOn March 22 2015 08:59 rsoultin wrote:
well that implicates rayn too xP After this lynch this,. Oops.totes.missed this post
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Jeez I already talked about this. trfel how the fuck are you scum reading me without even reading my filter?
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what's with this one Onegu:
On March 27 2015 00:48 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 09:40 Trfel wrote:On March 23 2015 13:36 Onegu wrote:On March 23 2015 13:31 Toadesstern wrote:
not to mention that the whole thing required rsoultin and me to be mafia together and both fakeclaim blue and ... just hope that there's no real jailer?
But hey, rayn's tracker claim is totally legit I think it is. Rayn claim that is.Plus with all the blue claims already why not fake claim. Like if mafia has like 4 goons they know.it's a low PR game and with multiple claims.already... Onegu, can you clarify the bolded please? I thought Rayn was tracker
that's from when you were talking about why you don't like me during n2 I think... and you just said you believed he was tracker.,..
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On March 27 2015 02:39 Onegu wrote:
Jeez I already talked about this. trfel how the fuck are you scum reading me without even reading my filter? I read your filter. And I'm scumreading you anyway.
I'll be back in a few hours. Convince me.
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EPT
