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sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
March 26 2015 15:07 GMT
#7001
but did he do it on day1 artanis? rayn would never bus his whole team day1
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 26 2015 15:08 GMT
#7002
On March 27 2015 00:07 Toadesstern wrote:
Palmar/rayn interactions make it somewhat more unlikely for rayn be town but he never put his vote where his mouth was, even when there were times when rayn looked like a possible lynch such as:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2015 14:10 Half the Sky wrote:
Day 1: Current Vote Count

raynpelikoneet (3): Holyflare, Damdred, rsoultin
Damdred (3): raynpelikoneet, sicklucker, Artanis[Xp]
sicklucker (3): Eden1892, Holyflare, rsoultin, Alakaslam, Superbia, Alakaslam, Eden1892, Breshke
Eden1892 (2): Fecalfeast, Onegu, Bill Murray, ExO
Artanis[Xp] (1): Toadesstern, Eden1892
LightningStrike (2): Bill Murray, Toadesstern, FecalFeast
Toadesstern (1): Palmar, Artanis[Xp]
Superbia (1): Eden1892
VisceraEyes (0): Artanis[Xp]
Alakaslam (0): Holyflare, Artanis, sicklucker, Eden1892
ExO_ (0): Eden1892
Palmar (0): Toadesstern, Toadesstern, Bill Murray
Trfel (0): Artanis, Superbia, Eden1892
Holyflare (0): Alakaslam
Vivax (0): Holyflare

Not Voting (4): Vivax, LightningStrike, Trfel, VisceraEyes

Currently, raynpelikoneet is set to be executed. Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00).

Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone.

Voting is mandatory and in this thread. You may NOT abstain.

Posting after the deadline and prior to flip is subject to a modkill.


but you're right. He's no longer orange. Probably compareable to Breshke right.

EBWOP unlikely = likely
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 26 2015 15:09 GMT
#7003
On March 27 2015 00:07 sicklucker wrote:
but did he do it on day1 artanis? rayn would never bus his whole team day1

It doesn't matter if you bus your entire team on D1 or one on D1 and one on D2, which I believe he did (could be D3). Bussed JAT on D1 and Onegu on D2/D3.

Also, Superbia, I saw that Fecal played his one scumgame with you. Did you play any towngames with him too and did you pick up anything on him?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 26 2015 15:10 GMT
#7004
And yeah I'd put Rayn/Rito on Breshke level. Maybe a bit greener.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
March 26 2015 15:13 GMT
#7005
On March 27 2015 00:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2015 00:07 sicklucker wrote:
but did he do it on day1 artanis? rayn would never bus his whole team day1

It doesn't matter if you bus your entire team on D1 or one on D1 and one on D2, which I believe he did (could be D3). Bussed JAT on D1 and Onegu on D2/D3.

Also, Superbia, I saw that Fecal played his one scumgame with you. Did you play any towngames with him too and did you pick up anything on him?

hes given me alot of bm for bussing on day1... like alot....
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 26 2015 15:15 GMT
#7006
Nvm, I don't think meta will work on Fecal since it seems like the last time he rolled mafia in a real game (not the 4hr one) he played super serious. He also played quite serious in the town game following, so it seems meta will not be an effective method to read him. Basically comes down to whether his case was a bus or not.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 26 2015 15:16 GMT
#7007
On March 27 2015 00:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2015 00:07 sicklucker wrote:
but did he do it on day1 artanis? rayn would never bus his whole team day1

It doesn't matter if you bus your entire team on D1 or one on D1 and one on D2, which I believe he did (could be D3). Bussed JAT on D1 and Onegu on D2/D3.

Also, Superbia, I saw that Fecal played his one scumgame with you. Did you play any towngames with him too and did you pick up anything on him?


Yeah, one of his scum-tells is that he is serious from the get-go. As town he is carefree and having fun. He was having fun when he came into the thread, hence why I have him as town.
Minimal effort.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 26 2015 15:19 GMT
#7008
Fecal's interaction with rso though reads quite genuine.

The sudden "fuck you are town aren't you" popping up is something I can really imagine as town and would find hard to fake as scum. I guess it's possible to fake if you're aware that what you're pushing is definitely going nowhere but I think scum would try to find some excuse for it.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 26 2015 15:21 GMT
#7009
But if Fecal is town and I'm entertaining the idea that Superbia is town I have to be wrong on either Breshke or Ritoky. Or Damdred has to have played the sickest scumgame in his life.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 26 2015 15:24 GMT
#7010
I honestly think Slamfish is the best lynch for today because I at least have some reasons for everyone else to be town, I can't read him and I don't think I ever will this game, and there's circumstancial things that make him look bad like Palmar/LS refusing to comment on him.
##Vote Alakaslam
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 26 2015 15:26 GMT
#7011
I'm rereading LS' filter and how the hell did we not lynch him for that horrible, horrible list post. z_z
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 26 2015 15:28 GMT
#7012
Breshke has aligned himself decently with me, so I'm biased into reading him townie. IDK.
Minimal effort.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 26 2015 15:30 GMT
#7013
I was honestly starting to like Slam in the last 12 or so hours as well as the first 12 hours. He looked really bad inbetween, for example last day and when he told people to lynch him like he already gave up. Today it looked like townslam.
That's what I meant with I need more time to read Slam... I'm just not sure at all about him. I'm seeing what I consider to be both of his alignments from time to time
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 26 2015 15:35 GMT
#7014
One of the problems I (and many others) had with Slam is that he started off this game very serious after having a very loose and "chupazi" pregame. I also know that this would be his 3rd (?) mafia in a row, after the previous game hosted by HtS (where he rolled mafia for the second time after a reroll). I don't honestly know why Slam has felt so bitter this game, it kind of makes me feel bad if I read him scum (which I think he very well could be).
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 26 2015 15:44 GMT
#7015
On March 19 2015 18:52 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 18:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
let's talk in code words and only explain it in our mason qt Palmar?

It seems wise to take this conversation somewhere private where other people can't hear.

Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 26 2015 15:44 GMT
#7016
I'm not even putting it past them to swag like that.
Minimal effort.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 26 2015 15:44 GMT
#7017
I already stated why I don't think that Onegu fake-claiming mason is something that is bad for mafia to do. Therefore, I am inclined to think that Onegu is scum for the following reasons:
  • At the start of Day 2, Onegu says that mafia wouldn't double stack due to the possibility of a medic. However, 23 minutes later, he says that rsoultin is mafia for making a weird save, when due to the large number of other claimed blues, the mafia would never have done a medic dodge.
  • Onegu's scumread on rsoultin doesn't make much sense. This read is conditional on one of the vigilantes being mafia. Onegu indirectly states that Toadesstern is mafia (through quoting one of raynpelikoneet's posts), but never really pushes Toadesstern at all. I would expect town to push Toadesstern first, and then rsoultin second (especially given that Toadesstern used his bullet, and rsoultin is claimed jailkeeper).
  • Onegu says that raynpelikoneet's tracker claim is genuine, but knows that raynpelikoneet always fake-claims. This is a weak point, though.
  • Apparently Onegu has a soul read on raynpelikoneet, so I can't really scumread him for fake-claiming mason with him, despite the large amount of confusion this caused. However, before the mason claim, Onegu never really defended raynpelikoneet, despite the pressure he was under. After the mason claim, Onegu didn't defend raynpelikoneet until significantly later. If Onegu was confident enough in raynpelikoneet being town, he should have defended him after raynpelikoneet stated that he was tracker, and not mason. If Onegu didn't think it was worth defending raynpelikoneet until later, when he actually did start defending him, then he should have claimed mason then instead. The disconnect between claiming mason with raynpelikoneet and actually defending him doesn't make sense to me.

However, I'm not sure if he will be back before the deadline. And with his son recently having gone through surgery, today is the very worst day to push him. Although objectively, I think he is the best lynch, I am not sure if pushing him today is the best idea.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 26 2015 15:48 GMT
#7018
I still don't want to lynch Alakaslam.

My first impressions from the argument between Superbia and Artanis was that Artanis had better arguments, or at least stated them better. However, Superbia's determination struck me as being very towny and geniune, while I'm actually surprised that Artanis engaged Superbia as he did. Currently, I'm inclined to think that both are town. If possible, I would like another day to read these two players, though I suppose I could be convinced to lynch here today.

I guess Fecalfeast isn't a terrible lynch, I can see reasons for him being scum, but I can also see reasons for him being town. Namely, I can't expect every town player to keep scumhunting at the same level with the lynch sealed almost 48 hours in advance, especially with the thread moving at this pace.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
March 26 2015 15:48 GMT
#7019
On March 26 2015 09:40 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2015 13:36 Onegu wrote:
On March 23 2015 13:31 Toadesstern wrote:
not to mention that the whole thing required rsoultin and me to be mafia together and both fakeclaim blue and ... just hope that there's no real jailer?

But hey, rayn's tracker claim is totally legit




I think it is. Rayn claim that is.

Plus with all the blue claims already why not fake claim. Like if mafia has like 4 goons they know.it's a low PR game and with multiple claims.already...
Onegu, can you clarify the bolded please?



I thought Rayn was tracker
Try TL Mafia!!!
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 26 2015 15:50 GMT
#7020
On March 27 2015 00:48 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 09:40 Trfel wrote:
On March 23 2015 13:36 Onegu wrote:
On March 23 2015 13:31 Toadesstern wrote:
not to mention that the whole thing required rsoultin and me to be mafia together and both fakeclaim blue and ... just hope that there's no real jailer?

But hey, rayn's tracker claim is totally legit




I think it is. Rayn claim that is.

Plus with all the blue claims already why not fake claim. Like if mafia has like 4 goons they know.it's a low PR game and with multiple claims.already...
Onegu, can you clarify the bolded please?



I thought Rayn was tracker
I suppose that makes the third point of my mini-case significantly stronger.

Onegu, if you're town, please explain to me where I am wrong in reading you.
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