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who did that? oO | ||
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On March 23 2015 03:09 Damdred wrote: I love you toad.... How do you love me if I'm red checked? | ||
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that guy is mafia after all oO | ||
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On March 23 2015 03:13 Vivax wrote: No it's not being read in too much. Mafia has to make up stuff to scumread townies and if you find arguments that are really easy to make and don't involve the individual play, that also applies to claims, then you can be sure it could have come from mafia. Artanis starts his post with the premise of vets being in the scum team which just sounds like a lazy justification for his scumreads on VE and rayn, and at the same time posts something that invalidates his own reasoning to not look like he's stretching it too much. And Toad if you want to discuss with me why I think you're scum do it without whining. Why shoot VE and why not consider LS for lynching D1 even though your post suggested you would? Like, I had every reason to scumread Trfel and I didn't shoot him cause a good vig doesn't go for the hero play, he removes people nobody bothers with or is capable of reading. but fine if you want it: I shot VE because I was told to shoot him. I had a massive townread on HF/Eden and I wanted to shoot my target. I was convinced to shoot who I'm supposed to shoot after all so I did that. Nothing more, nothing else. Had I not done that you would be dead by now because it was between shooting you and listening to HF/Eden. It never was between my #1 scumread and any other scumreads. It was between doing what I want and doing what I'm told to do. | ||
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On March 23 2015 03:25 Vivax wrote: Okay, so you went for the awful play and shot a guy who is able to post normally. You didn't post about your LS read but let's skip that for a moment. Would you lynch Artanis tomorrow? No? He's town I never had a LS read... I even had him on my sheet as "null, slightly leaning mafia" iirc what are you even talkinga bout. | ||
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On March 22 2015 07:57 Holyflare wrote: Look vivax shoot slam and toad shoot ve or something On March 22 2015 06:23 Eden1892 wrote: decent logic on exo there. vivax who you shootin bruh? slam yeah? toad who you shootin bruh? ve yeah? but hey we're back to Vivax throwing shit at me for no reason calling it a shit shot because HE thinks so... just that this time I'm actually sure he's town and doing it because pants-on-Head | ||
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well and that is just that, slightly leaning mafia on d1. Read the actual reasoning you just quoted and tell me with a straight face that was a strong read I was really convinced in. It's a gutread and nothing else. Yes I'm willing to lynch into those d1 if they're up for lynch. No I'm not going to push them until they get stronger. | ||
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On March 23 2015 03:37 Vivax wrote: Why did you even want to lynch Artanis??? Artanis might flip mafia. But Artanis did a lot more. I don't know if Artanis going after every target is town or scum. But I would lynch Artanis. This doesn't sound like a scumread at all. It's a plain "would lynch" with nullish points chained onto it. Can you point anyone to a reason you scumread him in the first place? In case you forgot: On March 20 2015 02:20 Toadesstern wrote: okay here's the thing about Artanis, to get this straight with context I'll explain the context for you guys as well! It is 24:00 CET, the game begings. Toad is currently playing boat-moba thus only posting inbetween and didn't even realize the game started. Thus the rushed inbetween posts while alt-tabbing in games. About 01:00 CET, my internet crashes and I am afk for about... idk at least an hour About 02:00 CET, I'm back and actually doing stuff. You might not agree with things I did like my Palmar read but I did some stuff. Enough for people to figure out that I don't like Palmar and want him lynched at least. This continues until around 05:30 CET. Argueably I got distracted everytime HF got in the thread but I felt like I was actually getting my thoughts out at least when I made it pretty obvious that I don't want to lean back another game as townie and just lose that way. So that's the basic background, Artanis gets in the thread and posts this: 3 important things here: 1) Hypocrisy. He even mentioned someone else being a hypocrite towards him and fos'es me for only getting 1 mafiaread during the time between... 00:00AM and 05:30AM? He knows I'm from europe, he knows I've got to sleep, heck I even wrote it in the thread and he says he doesn't know enough about my reads despite him not giving out a single hard read up to that point. Check his filter up to that point and you won't find anything and yet he criticizes me for that? 2) He knows me. Everyone on here that knows me knows that I'm the boxxy of TL-mafia. I post a lot. I post a lot of big walls that noone reads. Chances are you, my dear non-reader, aren't actually reading this very sentence because you already gave up on it because it's too long and fully. That's what I do. No matter of alignment. Every single game. Sorry I just can't help it but he knows that I do it and he knows that I do it no matter of alignment. There's a big famous game that I had with VE + gom... whatever his name was that had like 200pages by the end of d2 because we're all very talkactive. He knows about that shit. He should not bring up my fluffyness no matter how cute I am. 3) I never gave up on Palmar. I think I made it plenty clear that I want him lynched and if I ever get the chance to lynch him I'm going to grab that chance and kick him out of this game. So HF reads me mafia for focussing too much on Palmar, Artanis reads me mafia for not focusing enough on Palmar and discussing other people even if I think Palmar is 99% confirmed mafia at this point. Great. Did anyone here really think I let go of my Palmar read in general? I thought it was pretty damn obvious that I was just putting it aside for a sec to discuss some other stuff at that time, in this case SL. Feels like he's pushing me because he wants to push me rather than actually being convinced I'm mafia. He directly goes against what HF thinks and comes to the same conclusion as HF with the opposite interpretation with his #3. He knows better than to use #2 and he himself is worse than me for what he's accusing me about with his #1 at that point in time. The one thing Artanis has going for himself is that he apparently thinks I'm mafia. Mafias don't tend to mafiaread me because I post too big walloftexts and they're too lazy to actually read them so they'll nullread me or townread me because "wow, much text, very town" But the reasoning is really bad here. Still want to lynch Palmar. I'd be up for Artanis though. That's why I innitially wanted to lynch Artanis. And he DID do a lot more ever since that. What you just quoted is me acknowledging that Artanis might actually be town at a time when I heavily mafiaread him. I acknowledged it based on him actually scumhunting in all different places. So yes, that's not a reason why I wanted to lynch Artanis. That's the reason why I started to townread Artanis. But yeah good job completly ignoring my case on Artanis that people called really good, a lot of people actually wanted to lynch Artanis, you even called me mafia at that point for going for the "low hanging fruits", which you completly ignore right now saying I didn't have any reasoning for lynching Artanis at that point and quoting my post that tells people I actually think Artanis might be town to show "lookylooky, he had really shit reasoning for Artanis" instead of quoting my reasoning for wanting to lynch him... Should I start quoting you explaining why you townread someone later on in the game that you ended up voting earlier and asking why that quote doesn't show how you're scumreading? I can go out of context as well if you want to shit this up any further. | ||
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On March 23 2015 03:43 Vivax wrote: Well of all the people you mentioned as gutreads I ended up being your favourite when I already had the most votes while everyone who was your strong read (and you included Artanis among your strong reads) became a secondary preference. When you mention Artanis you don't refer to the wall of text, you mention activity related reasons for being unsure about him that weren't even the main point of your case on him, here. In your case we find this: But later you put him off the table for this: He has done more. If you honestly think there is a world in which Artanis is mafia in this game based on his activity you are insane and we are done talking. Period | ||
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On March 23 2015 03:43 Vivax wrote: Well of all the people you mentioned as gutreads I ended up being your favourite when I already had the most votes while everyone who was your strong read (and you included Artanis among your strong reads) became a secondary preference. When you mention Artanis you don't refer to the wall of text, you mention activity related reasons for being unsure about him that weren't even the main point of your case on him, here. In your case we find this: But later you put him off the table for this: You are under the impression that I think everything I say has to be 100% correct, and the only way I every change a read is to disprove that established 100% read. Example: I thought you are mafia because you are throwing shit at me for the sake of throwing shit at me. You do that at deadline and follow up with a claim that is my role. Of course I think you're mafia I still think you threw shit at me, but I came to the conclusion that you threw shit at me because you're Vivax and not for the sake of throwing shit at me. I came to that conclusion because the longer it went and the more you posted the more unlikely it became that my innitial conclusion was correct. Not because your posts proved them wrong, nothing you did could prove that you didn't do it for the sake of throwing shit. It changed because you posted so much and ramped up your activity to the point that I considered it more likely that you're just bad and the activity is and involvement is the better read than the "throwing shit" read. Thus I changed my read without ever chaning my opinion on you throwing shit at me. I just changed the conclusion that it wasn't done on purpoe. You're just doing it because you're pants-on-head Vivax. Same thing happened with Artanis. I did not have to disprove my innitial reasoning to townread him. I just have to come to the conclusion that something else is more likely to be the case. | ||
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On March 23 2015 03:53 Vivax wrote: I made this argument previously and you said "but Palmar is in there". Well no shit Palmar is in there only a dumb scum would forget about the guy he called scum so confidently. But what was the point of even posting about Damdred and SL? because they were possible lynches? To state that I'm in theory willing to lynch them because I had no townread on either of the two at that point while vastly prefering my own reads? | ||
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On March 23 2015 03:57 Vivax wrote: You weren't in theory willing to lynch them ... at that time I was. Why else would I have included them? You see when I wanted to have you dead later on I only talked about you and lynching you. Noone else. Because I wasn't willing to go for anyone else at that point. You even agree with that, you just said so. You just aren't willing to look at the timestamps and acknowledge that people's reads and stances change. I was willing to lynch them at that point. When you claimed Vig, that very second, everything else was gone for me and it was you or noone for me. And you're just ignoring that trying show all kinds of quotes out of context for the last 60 minutes. You show that quote from me about my options and "disprove" it by talking about my state of mind hours later. | ||
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oh my bad... I mixed up SL and LS and assumed that's what you're talking about... happens in a 200+ pages game. What did I say about SL and Dam? Can you link it to me? I don't remember what that's referring to | ||
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? The last group of 3 people is grouped by "people under the radar, posting just enough to not be considered lurkers but not really all that much", which is a pretty strong mafiatrait in general. Those 3 were the ones that came to my mind, those I gave a generak idea about them, including damdred and how I think he looks fine despite having just that thing I consider to be a strong mafiatrait. | ||
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On March 23 2015 04:08 Toadesstern wrote: oh that one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480042-tl-mafia-lxx-guardians-of-the-galaxy?page=117#2322 ? The last group of 3 people is grouped by "people under the radar, posting just enough to not be considered lurkers but not really all that much", which is a pretty strong mafiatrait in general. Those 3 were the ones that came to my mind, those I gave a generak idea about them, including damdred and how I think he looks fine despite having just that thing I consider to be a strong mafiatrait. It's like this: We have three options: 1) We lynch the guy I want dead: Palmar 2) We lynch one of the guys most people agree on: Artanisor Rayn 3) We go for a under-the-radar lynch. If it's that kind of lynch good options would be: Vivax+LS That's what the slashes are for.... | ||
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On March 23 2015 04:11 Vivax wrote: Anyway this isn't really going anywhere since I'm feeling multiple stuff doesn't add up but nobody will care if I'm the only one, although maybe somebody finds something interesting when we have more information on Toad. So, Toad. What do we do after LS is gone? we obviously lynch Rayn, the guy everyone considered to be confirmed mafia and only put into green because of the fake mason claim. | ||
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On March 23 2015 04:13 Damdred wrote: Sorry got busy back now. I just like playing with you toad, so tell me what you think about the cop claim and tracker claim we have a cop claim? Rayn's tracker claim is obviously fake. Onegu fakeclaimed mason to eat mafiahits, thus the rage at a claimed Jailer that claimed to protect him. Perfectly explains why HF went along. He knew Onegu was fakeclaiming and heavily townreaded him for the same reason. We could also lynch SL before rayn because of his fakeclaim, doesn't really matter. What did the cop claim? Do we have another red check? | ||
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On March 23 2015 04:16 Vivax wrote: Besides saying everyone was scumreading rayn is serious bs Toad. Both VE and HF TRd him. just no | ||
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