EPTXXX Mini Mafia: A Night of Debauchery (18+)
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I learned to love koshi again. | ||
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On March 09 2015 22:38 Palmar wrote: This playerlist looks quite sexy. Yes. I am the sexiest. Or maybe marv. | ||
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It's found in the greatest game in TL Mafia ever. Palmar is unallowed to answer. | ||
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On March 10 2015 07:13 Palmar wrote: pretty much yeah. There's an outside chance JAT is mafia, but I'm willing to clear him for the day. what? How do you possible read everyone who's posted so far as town? | ||
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Well then everyone who's posted so far are not town are they? | ||
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On April 14 2012 20:32 Blazinghand wrote: Tunkeg x Blazinghand: Bro Love Act I Scene III JAKARTA- Mall Exterior. Overhead shot of Tunkeg and Blazinghand walking along the sidewalk. Blazinghand is talking animatedly with Tunkeg. Tunkeg is holding his cell phone. Camera pans over to PALMAR, who pushes his way through the crowd, following the two sexy mafia lovers. Cut to shot of left hand in pocket. Cut to shot of PALMAR's face-- a dark grimace, with teeth clenched. Fade to wide shot: the busy subway stop. 2 rail lines pass through the center of this station, with platforms on either side. Large electronic billboards on either wall. Tunkeg and Blazinghand are standing close to the rails, talking animatedly. PALMAR comes down the stairs and spots them. Close-up of PALMAR pushing through the crowd. A woman's voice intones that the train has arrived, first in Indonesian, then in English. Split-screen shot of PALMAR breaking through the crowd as Tunkeg and Blazinghand enter the train and sit. PALMAR slips through the safety barrier just before it closes, entering two traincars behind. Cut to JAKARTA EXTERIOR -- wide shot Tunkeg and Blazinghand exiting train, with PALMAR following them. Pan to Tunkeg. Tunkeg I dunno, I think I should call her now, while she's still thinking about it. Blazinghand Trust me, younger lover-- if you do that she won't want to talk to you. Tunkeg She gave me her number! Blazinghand Look, it's only going to annoy her if you call her now. Let her think about you a little. You can't seem desperate, or she won't want to talk to you. Tunkeg I know that, but-- oh, here's a shortcut. We don't want to go around the block. The lovers turn down a narrow alley that cuts through the city block. PALMAR turns the corner behind them, a dark figure silhouetted against the bright surroundings of the city street behind them. As they walk down the alley, Blazinghand grabs Tunkeg's phone from his outstretched hand. Blazinghand You're not allowed to use this for the rest of the day, you're probably texting her right now! Tunkeg, laughing Hey! Give that back! They struggle with the phone, and finally Tunkeg wrests it free. He looks up and sees PALMAR approaching. Tunkeg What- Close-up as PALMAR leaps forward, elbowing Tunkeg in the gut. Tunkeg doubles over, coughing. PALMAR follows it up by grabbing Tunkeg's head and kneeing it. Tunkeg grunts and falls to the ground. His cell phone clatters to the ground. Ground-level close-up of cell phone screen. TO: 555-8364 MSG: I'm glad you enjoyed it, too. How does Saturday sound? The phone cracks under PALMAR's shoe as he steps back. Pan up to PALMAR blocking a punch from Blazinghand. The older man's finely-tuned physique is an awe-inspiring sight in hand-to-hand combat. Blazinghand steps forward as PALMAR recovers, grabs him by the torso and takes him to the mat, pinning him easily. Blazinghand What's the meaning of this? PALMAR, gasping You violated the agreement, and you will be punished like anyone else. Nobody is above it, not even one of you. You know what happened with Bill Murray. Blazinghand You can't come against me. Not you, not the president, not ANYONE. I'm the greatest brood war player alive, and the council exists only by my hand! So I make it, so I can unmake it. PALMAR, smirking There will be more after me. The others aren't like you-- they have no limits. They'll break your shoulder, your hand if they have to. More will come. Nobody is above the rules, not even you. Blazinghand, snarling I wrote those rules. If more of you will come, then let them come. Tell your chairman that this is a warning: next council meeting I'm retaking the chairmanship, there's nothing he can do to stop me. Blazinghand lifts PALMAR and dumps him into the trash can, headfirst. He closes the lid. Blazinghand grabs Tunkeg's phone and grabs Tunkeg, lifting him over his shoulders. Sweat trickles down Blazinghand's firm, supple muscles as he carries his groggy teammate out of the alley. Blazinghand reaches the other end of the alley. Tunkeg stirs, and Blazinghand sets him on his feet. Blazinghand's face shows deep concern for his teammate, Blazinghand, whispering to the semiconscious Tunkeg You're bleeding... we've got to get you cleaned up and fully-awake before D3 or you're gonna lose all your cases. Come on, man, hang in there... Wide shot-- with Tunkeg's arm around his shoulders, Blazinghand presses on into the bright JAKARTA day. The silhouettes fade into the sunlit background. Fade to white. ##vote Palmar | ||
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On March 10 2015 07:21 ritoky wrote: ![[image loading]](https://picklelicious.r.worldssl.net//wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Demi-Lovato-Eating.jpg) is anyone turned on by this? A bit,yes. | ||
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goddamn you're too good at this shit... | ||
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JAT why Palmar and eden? | ||
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On March 10 2015 19:52 Koshi wrote: Would be impressive if there was 1 person in this thread scumreading LS. But nobody is even coming close to that. I was actually already making a post before where i would read LS town but then i realized he was mafia in artanis game so i am not sure. | ||
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On March 10 2015 20:43 Koshi wrote: Yeah the blub list post he made in the game made me ignore him as likely town. Still. Like I said. He might have wanted to go more into the shadows after the townreads. He came back with more reads. Not saying he is certain town, but it looked townie. So is JAT scum rayn? I don't know yet. There isn't much to read him at this point. | ||
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Because there is no reason for him to read me town at that point and i didn't follow up on what i said because noone said anything about that postbat that time, except for Palmar who then decided to troll it out.. | ||
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Good that koshi is doing things. He can be town. <3 | ||
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On March 10 2015 22:08 marvellosity wrote: Do you remember when I let rayn off the hook d1 in that game you were mafia with him? Essentially I caught him right at the start for voting jat for really stupid reasons in a "trappy" sort of play lololol. That's not why i am voting for Palmar. I decided to vote for him before the game started because i remembered the Blazinghand story. (or rather i wouldn't have done it if the game was picking up some steam but unfortunately it wasn't so i got bored).There is absolutely nothing alignment indicative in my vote and it's not even related to what we discussed with Palmar. | ||
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On March 10 2015 23:45 marvellosity wrote: What is potentially interesting about it is that rsoultin already wrote about LS being mafia in JOAT last night and thus the town read she gave might be meaningless/not so good, and then a significant amount of time later (next day) rayn is in the thread saying he had "written a post" about LS being town but wasn't sure because of joat. The timing is quite weird, I think rayn wouldn't have been writing a post at all about it having already seen JOAT/rsoultin's post I was quite exhausted last night. I don't even remember rsoultin saying that. I had a post written, at my lunch break, the post where i said i think you, rsoultin and Onegu are town. Before that i went to see if the game had ended as the obs QT was talking about sure game end last night. I saw some "after game posts", so yeah, the game had ended. When i was about to post i remembered LS possibly saying something about being mafia in that game. I was not sure, because i didn't really care at that time so i just deleted the part of my post, and at coffee i went to read who the mafia in fact were. Then i responded to Koshi's post. | ||
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On March 11 2015 00:31 marvellosity wrote: like remove your vote on Palmar and nothing changes, it's not that what I was talking about the whole thing was stupid, whether your vote ended up on palmar or not, i don't care Fine. I'll stop responding to you after this post then. That wasn't a trap. Palmar called it a trap, i never said it was any sort of a trap to him or anyone. I legitmately wanted to have the discussion started because i was tired but waited for the game whole evening. I have to wake up for work 5am so if i stay up until midnight waiting for the game start i sure as hell want to play for awhile as it odesn't really make a difference if i sleep 3 or 4 hours... When Palmar answered me i noticed two things. That was his first real post besides trolling. It was also contribution towards me (which doesn't really happen nowadays unless he is town -- as scum he just chooses to ignore me and make shit cases on me based on dumb meta things). I then posted about his mafia claim because if he had just ignored it and continued the discussion he would be definitely town for me. He chose not no. Now i don't even think it's alignment indicative for him to do what he did, but what he didn't do would have been a town tell. Then i just got bored, because noone was really discussing anything useful. There is the story. You either choose to believe it or not. If you do not, then keep your vote on me, you'll probably have the whole game voting with you so there is no reason for me to continue this discussion further. Just make sure YOU won't discuss this either. Otherwise you just wasted whole D1 for nothing. | ||
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On March 11 2015 00:47 Palmar wrote: you left out the most important part rayn. Which is? | ||
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On March 11 2015 00:51 Palmar wrote: the betrayal of my trust. I am not sure how that has happened? | ||
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On March 10 2015 22:46 Damdred wrote: Marv, RS, Eden, prh, ls are in town pile and koshi palmar leaning town for me oneg jat and rit are null slam and rayn are scummy to me ehh.. I don't know how does this say anything about Eden? Oh yeah marv, if you choose to lynch me remember Damdred's post, specifically this one. | ||
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On March 11 2015 01:12 Eden1892 wrote: Idk why but I get vague scum vibes from this question It seems a touch too deferential tonally even though I know it isn't meant to be No it's a really good post in fact. Koshi called JAT mafia for doing something townie which shouldn't be a reason to call someone mafia. Like i get where Koshi is coming from especially with his "rage" ( ) that has apparently transformed into this game aswell but still, bad tunnel would be bad tunnel. | ||
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I want him to do stuff, or if he doesn't, remember that on D2. | ||
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On March 11 2015 01:17 Koshi wrote: rayn not reading because I never scumread JAT for saying something townie. I gave reasons to why JAT is scum and then prplhz gave me 1 sentence that looked somewhat townie in is pov and I said: "scum JAT would make a couple lines that look townie". But it didn't affect the reasons why I found JAT mafia. Additional reason why JAT is mafia and I forgot if I already said it: JAT liked 3 people for no reason. town JAT doesn't really like people even if there are good reasons. It looked to me you were enforcing your read on him for that reason. Your last point is good if it is true. I don't remember playing with JAT in ages as town. If it is true it is the best case in the game so far. His answer to me was really meh anyways. ##unvote ##vote justanothertownie | ||
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On March 11 2015 01:22 Eden1892 wrote: Marv y u no like rayn? And I kinda think JAT town too.... How can you possibly think JAT is town? | ||
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On March 11 2015 01:10 prplhz wrote: disregarding that he's not in the game, who is scumreading slam anyway? only eden. justanothertownie wanted to policy lynch him and that's all the srs talk that's been about slam this game. How about you make some meaningful posts instead? Yeah i did the same mistake you did thinking Slam is in the game because i haven't read the playerlist after the game start and saw him making a post and remembered Eden called him mafia and someone else (you) talking about him. You just gonna drop your vote on me and fuck off like you did in that one game? It gets you a death sentence D2. I promise. | ||
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Maybe i should. | ||
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On March 11 2015 01:37 LightningStrike wrote: I had seen claims gone wrong plenty of times at the opening lol so it's interesting per say. So i claimed blue/mafia. Why was that not interesting to you? | ||
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On March 11 2015 01:38 prplhz wrote: you are saying "people" are scumreading slam, and i'm asking: who does that? who is "people"? I wrote people on both things because it's easier than writing "people townreading Slam and Damdred scumreading Slam". It means the same though, doesn't it? | ||
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On March 11 2015 01:42 LightningStrike wrote: Where exactly did you claimed Blue/Mafia? I must of missed T_T going to check your filter real quick. First post of the game... | ||
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On March 11 2015 01:44 marvellosity wrote: Like this post is really not good. prplhz already looks quite town by his standards. I challenge anyone to find a prplhz mafia game where he has 30 posts already 18 hours into the game. He also seems interested. btw this read should only make sense to ppl who played with prplhz quite often but like obviously if prplhz literally does nothing all day then he has a good shot at being mafia but i don't see the point in making the threat like this either prplhz continues to post in a vaguely interesting fashion and he continues to be town, or he totally drops off like a dufus and he's mafia, but the whole post is pointless I think purplehaze played really well on D1 in the last Titanic game. | ||
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On March 11 2015 01:53 LightningStrike wrote: I think purplehaze didn't play throughout the game tbh. He was such a easy Mafia for me to as town in a cornor. bullshit. | ||
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On March 11 2015 01:59 LightningStrike wrote: Check in his entire filter and see my case on him in Titanic  I don't care about the fact you found him mafia after D2. Because he was really fucking scummy on D2. And YOU decided to lynch ME over him. | ||
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give me a minute. | ||
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Yes so elaborate please. | ||
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On March 11 2015 02:08 LightningStrike wrote: Had him null Day 1. Day 2 I started to think possiblely Mafia but still null. Day 3 and 4 I thought he was 100% Mafia and made my case on him. also bullshit. | ||
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Then, when i die, you make a case on him (well after making a case on Slam) based on stuff that has happened when he was your townread. Your read was DEFINITELY, on D3, based on other player's opinions -- at least a big part of it was. Here, now, you are trying to say you are some kinda god in reading him and you are trying to say "all credit for me in my read on him in that game". Why LightningStrike? Why? | ||
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On March 11 2015 02:13 prplhz wrote: with a red check on me narrowing it down I don't even know if that was the case when he made his case but if this is true LS is definitely mafia. | ||
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On March 11 2015 02:18 LightningStrike wrote: It been a while since Titanic my memory prob was hazed on that part. It was not hazed a couple of minutes ago. | ||
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LightningStrike claims he had an awesome read on prplhz in Titanic game. Hell he even goes so far he tells marv to go read his awesome case. Pretty much noone thought prplhz was mafia on D1. I was pretty much the only person (maybe Robik did?) to think he is mafia on D2. While my read on prplhz from the beginning is shit anyways i notice obvious scumtells. Now LS' read on prplhz on N2 was this: On February 20 2015 00:32 LightningStrike wrote: My entire thought process for now: Confirmed Town: Blazinghand, Superbia, Half the Sky. Non confirmed Town: ritoky, VayneAuthority, IAmRobik,, Alakaslam, prplhz. POE META: Fecalfeast, Palmar, rsoultin, Damdred. I actually misread his filter a bit, this was from N2 not D2 as i claimed. Anyways my point still stands. He did read prplhz town on N2, after my flip. He is here claiming he was so good, his case was so good, and everything. Yeah well, it happened on D4. Two days after.. And i am not sure if he honestly didn't took a look at my reads because he SHEEPED DAMDRED onto me, then when i got lynched Damdred is suddenly scum. It doesn't make any sense unless he took a look at my reads. Like he is saying stuff that is not correct, he is trying to make himself look better. And i don't even know for what reason and i don't even know if it makes him scum. Fuck... Annoying. | ||
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On March 11 2015 02:51 Damdred wrote: Rayn that post was later explained by LS to say the POE meta was other town reads he had I believe. He still called me RS town until I got shot and RS got shot, like you are totally misrepresenting what happened in that game and its bad. LS made his case on prh day three I believe, slam revealed his check on oneg day 4? it went shoot damdred, palmar shenanigans lynched, rs shot, Oneg red checked. On palmar lynch day LS made his case, plenty of time to re-evaluate Onegu was not in the game at all. Yes i know he called all of his "probably town" reads scum aswell. Who cares? They are less scum than "scumreads". Or aren't they? | ||
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On March 11 2015 03:02 Damdred wrote: Like if you are going to try to incrimidate someone by saying after I flipped he thinks damdred is town quote the whole fucking post Wh yare you saying this? You were not flipped. | ||
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YOU WERE NOT FLIPPED! | ||
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On March 11 2015 03:03 marvellosity wrote: oh Damdy, you give me the flutters when you're aggressive Now why the fuck do you make this post before checking out the facts? Damdred is obviously lying. ##unvote ##vote Damdred | ||
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I never said LS found him town after i flipped. | ||
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On March 11 2015 02:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: [...] he SHEEPED DAMDRED onto me, then when i got lynched Damdred is suddenly scum. It doesn't make any sense unless he took a look at my reads. [...]. I said the OPPOSITE! | ||
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On March 11 2015 03:32 prplhz wrote: seriously this is the most nonsense post in the game comment on me and Damdred now, you wanted Eden to do that. Now you don't? | ||
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prplhz. srsly? | ||
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On March 11 2015 03:40 prplhz wrote: you also literally proved that LS is a lying scum bag just like an hour ago and that turned out to maybe be not quite that I have never accused LS of being mafia in this game. | ||
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On March 11 2015 03:02 Damdred wrote: Like if you are going to try to incrimidate someone by saying after I flipped he thinks damdred is town quote the whole fucking post while in fact i said: On March 11 2015 03:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: [...] he SHEEPED DAMDRED onto me, then when i got lynched Damdred is suddenly scum. It doesn't make any sense unless he took a look at my reads. Come on you questioned me on that very post..... And now "it isn't interesting"???? | ||
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when i got lynched Damdred is suddenly scum. maybe this is easier to understand. red is damdred green is me. i also made my post before damdred. | ||
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I'm gonna have a break because this shit annoys me a great deal right now. | ||
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Both are scum traits. Neither is a town trait. Especailly given he has marv's dick in his mouth so he can say anything against me and noone will listen the arguments against it anyways because... well marv (marv even COMPLIMENTED Damdred on the very post where he just straight out fucking lied). | ||
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On March 11 2015 04:05 Damdred wrote: Here rayn goes again, I corrected myself right after that post.... lol Now let's look at it: 1) rayn said LS read me town 2) rayn said LS read me scum Your conclusion does not differ. In BOTH of those things it makes me mafia right? Because of what? I didn't read? Who the fuck is the one who didn't read? Why does me saying (1) or (2) make me mafia? Or if you think both of those are wrong then you should imo be arguing LS is mafia. Because then it would make him 1000% more doing what my original argument was. | ||
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I even said "yes i know he called all of his townreads mafia" which enforces the argument i know very well what i am talking about. You just left out the fact he scumread you and before the lynch he did townread you. Now you are calling me out for saying something that is really obvious, or at least likely, using both sides of the argument. lol. Like you are not even considering i could make that argument as town, every given scenario makes me mafia -- which should not be your FIRST impression. It is also impossible at all fronts. | ||
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On March 11 2015 04:16 Damdred wrote: You are acting so bad and idiotic right now rayn it makes no sense. I 100% corrected my error you are clinging onto in the next post nothing you have posted on ls makes him scum gj You had post #1 that lead to a conclusion. You made post #2 that corrected your post #1. It should also have corrected your conclusion because given your post #2 your conclusion doesn't make sense any more. But you failed on correcting your conclusion. Therefore you are mafia. | ||
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On March 11 2015 04:23 rsoultin wrote: how does who got the better read/ first read on prp in titanic have any bearing on the alignment of anyone in this game. prp was scummy for his entrance doing jack shit to progress the thread It doesn't and it's not the point. | ||
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On March 11 2015 04:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Make a new case on me then given your later conclusion. go! | ||
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On March 11 2015 04:25 Damdred wrote: You could be scum you were really forgettable early now you are just latching onto anything its really weird I thought you were just calling me scum for very different reasons... | ||
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Dmadred make a case on why am i mafia. | ||
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On March 11 2015 04:27 Damdred wrote: You did misconstrue ls and call me a liar for no reason trying to discredit me I suppose. You just want to shit fight rayn On March 11 2015 04:30 rsoultin wrote: rayn youre shitting up the thread. talk to me about this game. im one of the ppl you have to convince youre town On March 11 2015 04:33 rsoultin wrote: lol im not sure...i dont think he was calling ls scum, just arguing pointlessly over who can read prp better Onto all of this. I did not misconstrue LS. I was very well aware he called all of his "probably town" reads scum aswell in his post, i just left it out (and i also said that after) because it was irrelevant as i think for whatever reason someone calls someone scum (his reason was afaik "weak POE ", scumreads are more scummy than townreads. Which is where you misconstrued me, not me. I also never called LS mafia. I was curious why he said what he did about prplhz. I did not have a decent read on him, and i still don't. My conclusion was literally "And i don't even know for what reason and i don't even know if it makes him scum. Fuck... Annoying.". This is NOT a scumread or "pushing LS" like you are trying to twist it Damdred. You are interested in the matter in whole as your half of filter is talking about this. You made a conclusion that is a straight out lie if you have even read my posts. rsoultin, see above, and no, that was not what i was doing. I was trying to understand why LS says stuff in this game given what has happened in the titanic game. However Damdred went on (after what i talked about) first saying this: On March 11 2015 03:02 Damdred wrote: Like if you are going to try to incrimidate someone by saying after I flipped he thinks damdred is town quote the whole fucking post His point here seems to be i called LS out for something i should not have (which is "he thinks damdred is town at the certain point in the game" -- anything else does not make sense). In the next post yes, he corrects himself by "town = scum". But look at the post now: On March 11 2015 03:02 Damdred wrote: Like if you are going to try to incrimidate someone by saying after I flipped he thinks damdred is scum quote the whole fucking post what is his point now? i even asked him to make a case on me, apparently he can't. The reasonable thing for a townie to say (regardless of what he thinks of me) is "yeah okay, that does not make you mafia, i fucked up". He doesn't do it. He doesn't follow up. Hell i asked him to make a case on me! And the only explanation for not following up is he is mafia, he literally cannot follow that up. ^^ | ||
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On March 11 2015 05:03 Palmar wrote: Lynch rayn for scumreading LS Are yo uscum or just fucking dumb? | ||
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On March 11 2015 05:32 rsoultin wrote: ls says prp was easy to read (and he was the one to make a case on him so that makes sense from his perspective) how was your debate on whether or not ls' prp read in titanic was good/better than yours going to give you a read on ls? cause from where I was sitting (based on a skim admittedly) it looked more like you said you thought prp played well in titanic We are talking about D1 play here. I already pointed out in my opinion purplehaze played quite well in Titanic D1. LS read prplhz town (D3) AFTER i called prplhz scum (on D2). I was trying to figure out if LS is just saying shit instead of actually thinking so, because what he said was not what happened (since i was the one, and ONLY town player in the game making a case on prplhz as early as D2 -- which also proves his D1 WAS pretty good (at least for that town)). incorrect. I even wrote here in this game his D2 in titanic was shit. now imo this is all irrelevant regarding LS, as i have said. | ||
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On March 11 2015 05:57 marvellosity wrote: you literally called multiple posts LS made "bullshit" and then accused him of inflating his contributions and you ended the entire line of questioning with "oh god fuck i don't know after all". But don't pretend the stuff that came before was you not at least representing a scumread, if you're repeatedly telling someone they are lying or posting bullshit, then they have to be mafia to you, or nothing you're doing makes sense you're wiggling on semantics. well that is not right. that. is. just. not. right. at least not in my world and how i do stuff. you are starting to be really annoying. | ||
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On March 11 2015 06:07 rsoultin wrote: this could just be ego...it felt a little like ego reading it...I can easily see someone thinking you were scumreading ls there given the way you approached him, so why is Damdred in particular scummy for that reasoning? I am not saying he is mafia for that. | ||
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On March 11 2015 05:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Where is the case on me Damdred? | ||
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On March 11 2015 06:14 rsoultin wrote: and damdred is scum if he doesn't make a case on a scumread now? he's never called anyone scum as town without a case? what is this post supposed to say? | ||
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On March 11 2015 06:17 rsoultin wrote: You are calling him mafia for not making a case on you, am I right? How precisely does this make him mafia? lol no i am not. he is calling me mafia. do you know why? i don't, because i pointed huge holes in all of his arguments he has actually presented. why can't he make a case on me? it doesn't necessarily make him mafia, it enforces my scumread on him. | ||
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so yes i think you can call it for a reason for me to call him mafia, but that is not the main reason. you get the point. | ||
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On March 11 2015 06:20 LightningStrike wrote: Thank for clairifiing my PoE rsoultin <3 Also what was the purpose of arguing with me when you ended up getting nothing out of it Rayn? to get a read on you, before i realized i can't get one. which is why i am basically ignoring you for now unless PoE says you are mafia. | ||
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On March 11 2015 06:23 rsoultin wrote: okay, i'll bite, rayn next question: is it conceivable that (disregarding the possibility that you are scum which I still think is high enough to keep my vote on you xP) damdred still thinks you were scumreading LS or at least heavily implying he was scum? Maybe. I don't understand what difference does this make. | ||
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On March 11 2015 06:30 rsoultin wrote: well, you scumreading LS for how good/bad LS perceived prp to be in his scum game is obviously idiotic xP the main reason I was pretty sure that wasn't want you were doing. but your tone/word choice did strongly suggest it, and if he thinks you're making an idiotic read over a pointless argument...how does that make him scum? he could do that as both alignments imo but i didn't do that?!?!?!? | ||
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My conclusion suggests i didn't scumread LS. I have said that's not what i did. I don't even scumread Damdred for scumreading me for "me scumreading LS". I don't know where you are getting at at all. | ||
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On March 11 2015 06:37 rsoultin wrote: okay rayn I frankly don't get what you say you poked holes in :/ regarding damdred I don't want to elaborate on this yet. I want Damdred to make his case on me which i have asked now for four times. I can however say this, one of the reasons i now scumread him is because he apparently can't do this. The only times he talks about me (calls me mafia -- or implies so) is when marv says something is wrong in my posting. That is fishy as hell. | ||
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Damdred is mafia because: - He said i did something that's incorrect, therefore i am mafia. Then he corrected himself which makes his accusation invalid in the first place but he doesn't correct his conclusion. If he had an explanation to this he would have told it already. - I have repeatedly asked him to make a case on me based purely on the above. He has repeatedly failed to do so despite talking in the thread. Like the fucking truth is he is voting me because he is sheeping marv and somehow he cannot even say that?!!? And now he i trying to make up other reasons. There is literally no other reason he is voting for me and there is no way he cannot tell the truth regarding this if he was town. - He is only contributing towards me (accusing me) when marv posts about me. When marv doesn't, or when there is a delay between marv's posts he doesn't post. He is not even trying to argue with me on points I HAVE A POINT ON (which would be all the points he has ever brought up lol). He just brings up new points after marv has talked. He is not trying to figure out anything. now goodnight. JAT also probably scum. Koshi town hero, marv not. | ||
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JAT There are three simple reasons for JAT being mafia. (1) Koshi's post where he says "jat doesn't give that sort of townreads". This is true, asbolutely true. JAT as town is paranoid as fuck and basically NEVER townreads people for that little. Never. (2) JAT is sorta defending me but never tries to find an alternative lynch. Go read his filter, does it look like he actually wants to lynch someone? Like this post: On March 11 2015 08:11 justanothertownie wrote: Damdred may be mafia. I don't really remember a single thing he did this game. is closest to a scumread he has given in this game. Which brings me to: (3) He isn't actually doing anything. Like, he isn't pushing anything, he isn't giving any reads or thought processes on things. He is just fucking here. Lynch with fire. Onegu I totally retract my townread on Onegu for various reasons. I originally read him as town because i thought as mafia he would give a read on me quite early in the game. I understand i have looked scummy to people (well mainly to marv and rsoultin, others are/were just sheeples), Onegu -- as town -- if he thought i am town would counter people. But he isn't. Still he gives me a townread a bit later on. tbh, if he reads me as scum he is 100% mafia, but still, his reasoning is crap crappy crap. It doesn't even mean anything like marv mentioned because yes, i do those things as either alignment. My conclusion here is the same as JAT point (2) -- Onegu does not want to call me mafia but doesn't want to actually defend me either (or find an alternative lynch). Onegu WOULD defend me HARDCORE in case he was town, i am 99% sure of that. ritoky He is just useless. So very useless and i don't understand why anyone would want to join a game they are posting a lot but only posting entirely useless things. As for my townreads: marv, Koshi, rsoultin, Eden, Damdred. I don't think the first three need alot of explanation but if someone wants me to explain just ask. - Eden is town!!! Do not lynch him! The difference in him defending me is that he actually wanted to lynch other people, mainly JAT, who is fucking mafia. From what i read he trusts his tonereads and that was the main reason for him to defend me. Well yeah, while he is wrong (there is no tonereading regarding me)that doesn't make him scum, especially when he is actively trying to figure out the game in the meantime. The latest of his posts read very genuine to me and i think his argument Damdred is accusing him of (not answering him and blabla) he is definitely right on and Damdred is not. I also really like him because he has said many things i have actually meant when other people make something dumb out of it. - Damdred's posting has gotten way better since early game when he was only talking about me. I still don't believe he genuinely has other reasons to think i am mafia than to sheep marv. I also don't think he is scum for it after thinking it over. I don't even wanna touch the LS argument between me and Damdred again because while i still do not understand where i was wrong if several people think this way i probably read something wrong and i don't wanna go LS posting from some other game again. meh idk.. Maybe just add purplehaze here. I personally do not think he is town jsut because he is not like "super good" and imo doesn't say anything good enough to townread him (i still stand behind my point he played a really good D1 in Titanic). But i am going to trust marv here. At least until his posting goes from "good enough" to "superbad", which it probably will if he is scum. I have no idea what Palmar is doing and i hate it 100%, but i also know he is dick enough to do what he does now as town. I don't like him because he is calling me mafia and i feel like he is trying to antagonize me which is what he ALWAYS does as mafia, in every single game. Anyways he is nowhere near as scummy as the three red reads. I don't really read LightningStirke's posts. I don't want to argue with/about him right now because it takes effort and PoE says he is not mafia. This game has been really hard for me because nothing happened at the start of the game. I tried to get something started and apparently it failed miserably. Then the situation evolved to the point where marv makes a case on me and noone talks about anything but me -- and even here, none of the people who voted for me and are not marv even fucking said anything (except for rsoultin so huge props for her about that) for reals. I usually work by process of elimination but in this game it has been impossible for me to do so, just because noone talks (until now). So i took a workday off from posting (while i did read how much i could), worked with the opposite of PoE, and here i am. We need to murder justanothertownie with fire because he is mafia. Please. | ||
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On March 12 2015 04:35 justanothertownie wrote: He is HARD townreading rayn and doing nothing else really. so are you and you aren't doing anything for reals either. that's why you are both mafia. so please push onegu. oh right, you didn't have any reasons for him to be mafia. | ||
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On March 12 2015 04:44 justanothertownie wrote: So I am bussing my whole team rayn? Yeah, sure. I already rebutted the idiotic read Koshi gave about me not having townreads. It is just absolutely and objectively incorrect. I don't know, maybe someone like ritoky is town. You jsut said you could lycnh Onegu but do not have any reasons to lynch him. I don't even know why it took you THIS long to do ANYTHING in this game?!!? | ||
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On March 12 2015 04:50 justanothertownie wrote: You know what the problem is with rayns post? He is giving way more thought and reasoning for his townreads than for his scumreads. Now generally that is not a scummy thing but for him it is. Especially if he claims to read someone town for POE since his scumreads are so strong. What's the problem then? | ||
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On March 12 2015 04:54 justanothertownie wrote: Rayn is literally calling me scum for giving reads 1) and not giving reads 3). no that's not it. | ||
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On March 12 2015 04:58 justanothertownie wrote: The problem is that you claim to POE off of your scumreads because they are so strong. It makes no sense if you don't have good reasons for them. Well i do have good reasons for my scumreads. | ||
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On March 12 2015 05:01 justanothertownie wrote: No, you don't. I am not scum and even if I was then that would not be why. I gave early townreads as town before. Boom. Whole argument demolished. Not THOSE kinda townreads. Never. Also you are not really trying to find mafia even when the guy who you don't think is mafia is getting lynched.... You are not sheeping anything, hell you are not even fucking voting for anyone. | ||
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On March 12 2015 05:06 justanothertownie wrote: I am trying to find mafia and nothing of the other things you say makes me mafia. .. but maybe you were busy or being tunneled by moronic something i don't remember??? So where are your results of "trying to find mafia"? I don't see them. You just gave out an obvious read on ritoky, hell everyone probably just feels the same way. Then you said Onegu is scum for something but you don't really have reasons to make a case on him. You have laid off of Damdred being scum. Idk why is that because you never explain it. I don't really think any of that contributes as "trying to find mafia". | ||
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On March 12 2015 05:13 justanothertownie wrote: Then you are not very good at this thinking thing. If the ritoky read is so obvious then how come almost noone is calling him scum? How come there is no wagon on him? I work with POE from TOWNREADS day1. I always do this as town. Every single game. I have nothing to townread Onegu on so he is mafia by POE. I also did NOT lay off of damdred. Here is the fun part: Yes i have considered this. But if ritoky is town mafia does not need to push him, since i am/was being lynched. Why the fuck would mafia push ritoky when they could lynch me instead? So it is a null-tell, something you should think it is aswell given that you do not read me as mafia. | ||
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On March 12 2015 05:17 justanothertownie wrote: I fail to understand how this makes ritoky unlikely to be mafia. It doesn't. You make it sound like it is a scumtell which it definitely is not for the reasons i just outlined. | ||
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On March 12 2015 05:19 rsoultin wrote: but I also liked jat's point on that perfect number of 3...don't really think that makes rayn scum but it was an interesting thing to notice What? Elaborate please. | ||
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[/i]"If the ritoky read is so obvious then how come almost noone is calling him scum? How come there is no wagon on him?"[/i] This is not "a reason mafia is not pushing him as it would be easy" -- aka. he is mafia? | ||
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On March 12 2015 05:26 justanothertownie wrote: It mainly is a rebuttal to your accusation that I am making an obvious read. ehh.. no it is not. You gave that thought AFTER i said ritoky is an easy read to make. Yes he is . Yes he could -- even probably is mafia. However, the line of thought you gave makes ABSOLUTELY no sense because for you it should not be a scumtell that noone is pushing him. | ||
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On March 12 2015 05:26 rsoultin wrote: ##unvote ##vote ritoky I feel like with a little more time we can figure out jat and rayn. ritoky, I expect more from you no, no more time needed here tbh. | ||
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On March 12 2015 05:32 justanothertownie wrote: Nothing in this post makes even the slightest bit of sense. If ritoky is mafia then go vote for him because I am not mafia. Of course I gave that thought after you said ritoky is an easy read to make. I can't rebut something you didn't say yet. What on earth are you talking about?! It makes perfect sense. If you JAT think i am not mafia, why it is a scumtell for ritoky mafia is not pushing his lynch when everyone and their mother thinks i am mafia and i have all the votes in the game basically? From both perspectives: (1) ritoky is mafia -- wow good for him, town rayn is being lynched (2) ritoky is town -- wow good for mafia, town rayn is being lynched Why would mafia, in this situation, EVER try to call ritoky scum if he is town? I am not saying he is town because i don't even think so, i am saying YOU should not consider "mafia not pushing ritoky" a scumtell for him. And you CLEARLY implied it IS a scumtell for ritoky that noone is pushing his lynch. You failed logic. You shouldn't have that thought as town based on your reads. You fabricated a reason why ritoky would be mafia. | ||
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On March 12 2015 05:37 rsoultin wrote: rayn...what reads did you get off your "opener" since you were using it to generate discussion, allegedly? none.  noone said anything except for Palmar which i already talked about in great detail. | ||
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On March 12 2015 05:41 justanothertownie wrote: I NEVER EVER EVEN PUSHED THIS LOGIC. Also I am getting more and more convinced that this unlike Koshis does not come from town. Then, again. Why did you say this: "If the ritoky read is so obvious then how come almost noone is calling him scum? How come there is no wagon on him?" | ||
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On March 12 2015 05:46 justanothertownie wrote: BECAUSE YOU SAID IT WAS AN OBVIOUS READ TO MAKE AND THIS PROVES THAT IT ISN'T. UNDERSTANDING THIS IS NOT HARD. And what does it prove now, when you gain votes, there suddenly is a wagon on ritoky? It proves magic?! | ||
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On March 12 2015 05:58 rsoultin wrote: he says you're maf for obv scumread you say it can't be that obv cause such and such he says it can still be obv cause such and such doesn't mean rit isn't being scumread You need to learn to read tbh... | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:03 LightningStrike wrote: I think I said Null on him he haven't post much other than his soulread on you being Town but other than that he done nothing. Kinda worrying tbh. He claimed VT though... | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:04 Eden1892 wrote: ray please vote ritoky :/ somebody anybody no you fucking vote for JAT! | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:05 Eden1892 wrote: like at a minimum ritoky is town and dicking around because he doesn't believe he's actually going to get lynched. can we PLEASE bring enough pressure to make this credible enough for him to get off his ass if he is town? He is already here and talking!!!!! Vote for JAT. | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:07 Eden1892 wrote: he's not DOING anything though! and unless people actually vote him that's not changing So because useless person started doing useless things by calling other useless people mafia but not pushing them your conclusion is the useless person first referred to is now more town than the second one. bleh you're staring to annoy me with your thought processes... | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:08 rsoultin wrote: okay so rayn is calling jat scum for that you're right I can't read >< You do not read the obvious scum motivation behind JAT's post. Which is to enforce the ritoky mafia read to make you assholes vote for him, when in fact that should not make ritoky any more mafia to JAT. If something does not make someone any more mafia for them, why say it in a manner it implies so? He wants to lynch ritoky and he is sneaking into you people to make you think ritoky should be scumread for something he should not. IT'S A LOGICAL FALLACY!! It is simple. | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:14 Koshi wrote: raynpelikoneet, can you promise me you are not scum? yes | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:14 Onegu wrote: I'm here kinda, will skim and sheep someone but yeah. if you are town you will sheep me. | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:16 justanothertownie wrote: This guy. He is now literally calling me scum for trying to lynch his scumread. I am calling you scum (in this certain topic) for not trying to lynch any of your scumreads, but magically when you are up for being lynched you invent a reason for someone to be mafia. A reason that should not even exist in your world. | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:19 justanothertownie wrote: Ritoky has been in my scumlist for ages. For fucking ages. yeah and this has nothing to do with if you have read ritoky scum or not..... | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:23 justanothertownie wrote: I don't need to invent a reason for someone to be mafia if I am already calling him mafia. well but you did. of course you say you didn't because you are mafia, but you did. | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:31 Koshi wrote: marv, I don't think I want to lynch rayn. I also don't think I want to lynch ritoky. I also don't think I want to lynch Onegu. Palmar? KOSHI WE ARE LYNCHING JAT! | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:40 Eden1892 wrote: Fuck yes are we lynching Damdred?? Glory time sheep my case ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: Damdred No, now is not the time for being stupid. | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:41 marvellosity wrote: I literally have no idea where to put my vote. This is not very good. Put it on JAT. | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:53 marvellosity wrote: Is this a hard claim. If you rescind this you will be lynched. Answer now. hard claim yes. | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:59 justanothertownie wrote: I can't believe that you are mislynching me day1 marv. Especially if I am the fucking medic. Oh so you are "if" medic? What's that. I AM medic. | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote: Honestly Rayn, I know that we don't want to retread the same ground but we had a disagreement about the LS post which fueled it a bit so I was ignoring you till I cooled down. But before that you were kind of unremarkable in the thread to me and it wasn't activity just that you were barely doing anything till the LS thing and me thing and I was to stubborn to see it another way meh. What was i supposed to do at that time then? Did you gather great reads at that point in the game (when i was around)? | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:14 rsoultin wrote: does mafia!marv push a town!rayn that hard? this I know not :/ I have never played with an active mafia!marv no he is not mafia. I bet he wouldn't but regardless of it he is not mafia. | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:13 marvellosity wrote: there is 0% chance that I let jat be the leading wagon for so long without either trying to seriously do something about it or make myself look good on it. you know that. | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:14 Damdred wrote: @Rayn, i'm not sure honestly we both got off on something that didn't matter to the game. I think I got an interesting few reads right after you left and because of it though so our fight had a bit of meaning to it. well i was talking about what happened BEFORE the LS thing. I even pointed it out clearly. Why are you answering me with "AFTER thoughts"? | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:19 Damdred wrote: Oh I had some reads before it mostly weak town reads for that early in the game. that doesn't really answer the question though-. | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:24 Damdred wrote: I'll try to answer this again. Before the LS thing the thread was extremely jokey and lax and you were in my estimation the first serious contender. So in retrospect you did the right thing in trying to push someone I still disagree with how you pushed LS at that juncture and with what you did however. At that point in the game I had several reads in the game but no none of them were great reads at the game besides that I was decently solid that marv was town and I had other people I the town pile. correct me if i am wrong but i am pretty sure you voted for me before the LS thing. | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:29 prplhz wrote: why is rso confirmed? On March 12 2015 06:21 rsoultin wrote: I didn't attack you. I prefer an actual discussion to screaming back and forth because then I actually understand what is going on -_- and rayn's point is a good one, actually. so. there's your 0 reason xP there literally is no reason for scum to push rit as town or scum with rayn on the block...unless rayn is scum. so really the only thing that comment does is make rayn look more town -_- | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:31 Koshi wrote: Are you the dumb one? He fucking pushed everything except JAT the last 24h. I will go reread it after sleep and work. I don't really care at this point tbh Koshi. | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:35 marvellosity wrote: rayn do you remember what the point you made was that rsou is referring to here? The point of me saying JAT should not think ritoky could be mafia because of noone pushing his lynch. | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:38 marvellosity wrote: ^ jat doesn't often townread his buddies and they're kinda throwaway. dno. decent chance they were all town already i guess. yes. good point | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:39 marvellosity wrote: why do you think jat didn't vote for you? i have no idea. maybe to look good after flip, i don't know tbh. after all i was pushed by like everyone at some point. | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:41 marvellosity wrote: i did. but conf bias at the time. then right at the end i realised jat was defending you from me all the time near the start. but you said no conf bias here.... | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:45 prplhz wrote: maybe jat wouldn't out medic if marv is mafia? what? | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:48 prplhz wrote: is anyone in this game not suddenly confirmed town at least you are not | ||
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Rs I think is probable town for the post that Rayn quoted here especially. Looks really good and the second half of Rsoultins filter looks really good in my eyes. (not your first you dirty girl you) Why does that post look good? | ||
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On March 12 2015 08:06 Damdred wrote: I like the flow and the thought process behind it showed a clear thought progression and intent. Of course it did because i already said so and i am confirmed town.... Elaborate please, how did it do those things? | ||
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On March 12 2015 08:16 Koshi wrote: Like Damdred is having the town game of is life here and people scumread him. Nobody could be more town than Damdred. Well that is just a lie. Anyways, until tomorrow. I gotta go to bed. Please don't be dumb. | ||
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On March 12 2015 21:07 Koshi wrote: Raynbro, rsoultin only mimicked you. She is not confirmed town for it. If you fight me on rsoultin because that sole fact. I am going to like marv a lot suddenly. But.you wont cuz.you are totes <3 not true Koshi. She said something that was really clever i hadn't even thought about. | ||
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On March 12 2015 22:51 prplhz wrote: well rayn did say that koshi's read on jat was interesting then marv called him scum then rayn went nuts and did the whole LS/damdred thing and only after that did he go back on jat dunno how things were looking at that point but he avoid the whole jat-early-town-reads issue even though he had commented positively on it This is not true. I wanted JAT to do something and i focus on one thing at a time. Which is bad i agree, but i can't help it sometimes. I nevfer forgot about my read on JAT, i just thought Damdred was more likely to be mafia, and a better target to focus on because JAT doesn't really work well when being called mafia as either alignment -- he is like mini-marv. | ||
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You read the thread and make a stream of posts after you find something important while catching up. It is the easiest way to read you as town ever because you always say smart stuff. Like when anyone else does that (well DarthPunk and Ange777 are allowed to that aswell) it's just fucking bad because they just ask dumb questions which have been answered already. | ||
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I don't think marv is mafia so i can't answer that. Why were you even asking that? I have never called marv mafia in this game. | ||
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On March 13 2015 00:43 marvellosity wrote: Like when? The only time I was behind was an hour before the lynch when I got home, then there isn't time for a slow catchup. Overnight last night there was 1-2 pages of posts. this is a really stupid question Oh okay. It makes sense. Anyways talk to me about Damdred and Eden. Why do you think they are mafia? | ||
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On March 13 2015 00:47 marvellosity wrote: i don't think eden is mafia. Damdred because i think everyone is more town than him. that's all. I thought you said "one of rayn/Eden could be mafia"? Or is it just PoE thing regarding the "someone who is been heavily townread is probably mafia"? | ||
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On March 13 2015 00:49 marvellosity wrote: the "someone who is heavily townread is probably mafia" is because somehow i do not see 2 mafia in ritoky/onegu/damdred. I think there is no way ritoky is mafia. Onegu and Damdred.. Why not? | ||
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On March 13 2015 00:52 Onegu wrote: Jeezus I'm like 50 pages behind. Sigh I'm reading/skimming the thread... @Marv who has the real Rayn soul read now? 100% > 95% Say something smart or use the time to catch up. | ||
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On March 13 2015 00:54 marvellosity wrote: why? why do i need to? why are you asking me this? Because i am quite lost atm. I thought JAT, Onegu and ritoky are mafia. There is no fucking way ritoky is mafia here. I have still to check one thing about Onegu but it can wait and i am pretty sure we should lynch him D2. I am probably going to die during the night. And if i do these dumbasses might even lynch you. So i want to understand you, because our read on Damdred has been.. well.. quite the opposite all game. And i want to solve the game now, for post-game credit. | ||
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But Palmar does not look very townie either. I know in general him trolling is not alignment indicative but this game has a pretty impressive playerbase and it looks like he just doesn't give any fucks. So i don't know. I don't think Damdred is mafia either. When i stopped posting the night before he had a set of posts i found really townie. Now everyone is calling him mafia when i read him town. I have no idea why. | ||
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On March 13 2015 00:59 Koshi wrote: I said she mimicked you. Look at timestamps. She considered the big picture from her perspective and went more into it, which even contradicted what she said before (readwise -- she had me as mafia). Why does mafia!rsoultin go in with a post like this when she has scumread me a few hours ago? Just because i made a case on JAT, who she also scumreads? Why does she come to that conclusion and why does she fucking care enough in the first place? | ||
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On March 13 2015 01:03 marvellosity wrote: like literally the last thing you did last night was grill Damdred and call him mafia. Now you say the night BEFORE that you read posts and find him townie and you're reading him town? Nope. Nope Nope Nope, rayn. *sigh* after i stopped posting, that's what i mean, between first 24h - when i got home from work yesterday. | ||
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I blame tired rayn.Yes you are right. I in fact do read Damdred scum. He said i did townie things then voted for me. | ||
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On March 13 2015 01:09 marvellosity wrote: Like I do not know how anyone goes from directly calling someone mafia to saying he is town based on these posts and he does not know why people call him mafia. It makes no sense. I was talking about the night before that night. I didn't even remember i had talked with Damdred yesterday lol. | ||
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I asked him to elaborate on his scumread on me on D1. This is what he said: On March 12 2015 07:24 Damdred wrote: I'll try to answer this again. Before the LS thing the thread was extremely jokey and lax and you were in my estimation the first serious contender. So in retrospect you did the right thing in trying to push someone I still disagree with how you pushed LS at that juncture and with what you did however. At that point in the game I had several reads in the game but no none of them were great reads at the game besides that I was decently solid that marv was town and I had other people I the town pile. green: before he voted for me red: after he voted for me Like that is his reasoning? There were apparently zero reasons for him to have a scumread on me when he voted for me. | ||
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On March 13 2015 01:18 marvellosity wrote: Like I just don't think a townie completely forgets his read progression on someone and talking to someone. I just don't. I can't conceive a world where I, no matter how tired I am, go to bed thinking someone is mafia and wake up thinking they are town. For me, that is totally impossible. Yeah maybe you can't. Try doing physical work 8 hours/day (yesterday 12h) every day after sunday, going to sleep 2am because you want to play mafia, waking up at 5am. You'd be surprised how you start forgetting stuff at some point... And i am not a re-reader anyways. I bank on my memory. | ||
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On March 13 2015 01:48 marvellosity wrote: what's not to get? why are you bringing this up again? You already said at the time it was because of the LS VT ritoky-Onegu read, and I'd missed it because i was catching up reading quite fast. so why are you bringing up this post? Because you did the thing i was talking about earlier and that did not go well. | ||
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On March 13 2015 01:55 marvellosity wrote: like if you are pretty certain i am town, which you said repeatedly last night then a post like that should not make you worried, not even a tiny bit. I am trying to look at things from all perspectives. A lot of things i have said should also not worry you, but somehow they do. AFTER I LYNCHED FUCKING MAFIA. | ||
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On March 13 2015 01:54 Koshi wrote: Onegu his vote didn't look good at all. He asked you what to do and didn't just do what he should do and that is vote with you. Yeah so he clearly was not reading the thread at that time. What's the point? | ||
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On March 13 2015 01:58 marvellosity wrote: sorry what? I called you town today until you totally "forgot" a read you had on someone. Why the fuck should that not worry me? Are you serious? And how does that make me mafia? | ||
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On March 13 2015 02:06 marvellosity wrote: And i went back to check votecounts and your case and vote on jat came at a much better time than I remembered towards the end of day 1. I thought jat had more votes already. see the pot calling the kettle black. | ||
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Palmar claims vigi shot on rsoultin. Eden immediately votes for Palmar. This doesn't make any fucking sense unless he knows Palmar did not in fact shoot rsoultin, which makes him mafia most likely. Also look at this: On March 13 2015 07:09 Eden1892 wrote: something seriously isn't right here. if mafia has rb then maybe they don't shoot ray, but they rb him, which means unless mafia and vig both shot rso then there's a vet? but then we have vig, vet, doc. i don't believe that for an instant if palmar lied and there isn't a vig then we just have to have a doc who was rb'd, which... is sorta ok? but then why was rso shot HOW ON EARTH DOES EDEN KNOW THERE IS A DOC WHO WAS ROLEBLOCKED? Eden did you roleblock me? ##vote Eden | ||
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If i am veteran i wouldn't even know if i was shot or not so claiming is incredibly dumb because it does not help town in any way. If i am neither mafia knows i am not either. Which again, does not help town. Every single scenario helps ONLY mafia and not town. | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:12 Koshi wrote: rayn can you comment on this: Don't you think there is a chance JAT went to scum!ritoky with such a weak reason because he knew ritoky was mafia and didn't think he would get pressure for doing something "right". Why would JAT go after ritoky with "such weak reasoning" in the first place? I had made my case already and it was sheeped. If he doesn't lynch town then he gets lynched. Or if he lynches ritoky mafia gets lynched anyways. Do you think JAT "gave up" on lynching town and just wanted to make ritoky/(himself) good after lynch? Notice that ritoky was at some point (unless i misremember) 4-4 in votes with JAT. | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:17 Koshi wrote: Nha ritoky never had more than 2 votes. JAT and prplhz I think. Let me go check, i am pretty sure he was at least on 3 votes when i started yelling to Eden(?) to lynch JAT. | ||
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JAT and Eden. But people were considering lynching ritoky. Also this post came somewhere around there: On March 12 2015 06:05 Eden1892 wrote: like at a minimum ritoky is town and dicking around because he doesn't believe he's actually going to get lynched. can we PLEASE bring enough pressure to make this credible enough for him to get off his ass if he is town? Eden's townread has made a good case on JAT. Eden wants to lynch ritoky with JAT. For these reasons? | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:22 Palmar wrote: @LS I said it in the faith that rayn had some kind of a towntell on JAT. I have never had any towntells on JAT. Sorry Palmar I thought you should at least not read me and JAT town at that point. That's why i questioned you. | ||
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Because i was the other wagon to JAT at that point. Like how the fuck does it make sense to want to lynch someone else for "like at a minimum ritoky is town and dicking around because he doesn't believe he's actually going to get lynched"? | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:26 Palmar wrote: well the read on you was BASED ON the fact that you said what I considered a smart thing about 3 players (myself, LS, Damdy) at the time. Just that you know for future, i have given up on on tone-tells for people i think i don't know well enough, especially early on in the game. I thought pretty much noone had said anything alignment indicative at that point because people were mostly trolling. I read LS town. Then when i later on saw him be mafia in Artanis game i retracted my townread on him because i read him town in that game aswell. | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:30 Koshi wrote: Looking at this. Knowing JAT is mafia. If we assume that rayn is town. Why are scum JAT and scum Eden on ritoky? Where they should be then? | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:33 Koshi wrote: Not together on a new wagon that was not getting any traction? So who do they vote? The votes on marv are obviously going to go away. lol, just look at Palmar's vote and ritoky was just sheeping. Eden townreads me HC at that point. JAT has just argued with marv that "what rayn did is not scummy". Again, where do they vote? Which wagon? | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:37 marvellosity wrote: jat was calling you scummy towards the end of the day but never voted you even though you were the other wagon AFTER I MADE MY CASE ON HIM! I don't even know what the votecount was at that time. | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:40 marvellosity wrote: so the fuck what? why wouldn't he vote for the townie who made a (terrible from his argument) case on him who he thinks he is mafia? hello?? BECAUSE HE IS MAFIA AND MY CASE IS GOOD. He's have to argue why my case is bad. | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:41 marvellosity wrote: HE DID ARGUE IT Yeah, to some extent. And then i made more points on him because his arguments were shit... | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:42 marvellosity wrote: that's just 3 posts. there are more after. Like the first two arguments are terrible. They have nothing to do with what i said he is mafia for. The third argument is just wrong because it doesn't even counter my argument in the first place. | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:43 Koshi wrote: rayn, is ritoky town? yes | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:45 marvellosity wrote: I'm not even trying to call you mafia for this right now rayn. My point is, you cannot say "ritoky is town because jat pushed him" when jat had a much larger counterwagon with better chances of saving himself, with me on it even, in you. The logic falls apart. It's not a good reason to call ritoky town. If it makes ritoky town, it makes you mafia. I do not see it that way. Like do you, as Koshi, argue JAT has given up and just votes for his scumbuddy? | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:52 marvellosity wrote: no he doesn't yes he does. Main wagons: JAT, rayn. JAT says "i guess mafia just doesn't need to do anything". #confirmedtown | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:57 Damdred wrote: When JAT said this wasn't he leading the vote like 5-2 or something large at that point and he was trying to rally voters onto someone else? this is the vote count around that time (10min before): justanothertownie (5): Koshi, raynpelikoneet, Lightningstrike, rsoultin, onegu raynpelikoneet (3): prplhz, damdred, marvellosity marvellosity (2): Palmar, ritoky ritoky (2): justanothertownie, eden1892 | ||
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On March 14 2015 01:01 Koshi wrote: He is mafia. His point is: I am town and I am being lynched. mafia must be afk and laughning their ass off. Look at these names being afk: x y z And you are voting me because you think ritoky is mafia and i make sense with ritoky as mafia. Good logic Koshi. | ||
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- I know i am town, i was the opposing wagon to JAT - I don't think JAT would bus, i don't think JAT would give up because there was a lot of time left - Everyone was at least sorta scumreading (or null-reading) ritoky at that point - therefore he is the easiest wagon to push (besides Onegu, which is one of the reasons i think Onegu is mafia) - JAT pushes ritoky - JAT did not give up in my opinion, he was coasting by with me being on the chopping block. When i made my case on him, he got SHIT ACTIVE when suddenly HE is the one being (at least possibly) lynched. The only reason i would think ritoky is mafia is if JAT just gave up. Which is clearly not the case here. Even more ridiculous is to say i am mafia with him. There are many things (besides the JAT lynch) that point towards me being town so fucking heavily. So Koshi, go read again. Or rather: - Do you think i gave up? I don't give up as scum, or if i do i just antagonize marv. - Do you think there is a fucking world (after Noir) where i do not kill marv on N1? | ||
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On March 14 2015 01:12 Koshi wrote: rayn, don't let me stop you from explaining why Eden is mafia. But don't hammer on that little thingie after the start of D2. He knew Palmar did not shoot rsoultin. Until he explains that, my vote stays. | ||
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On March 14 2015 01:15 marvellosity wrote: Anyway rayn, while/if you look at what I posted about ritoky. Let me talk to you about Eden, and you can tell me where I am wrong, if you think he is mafia. 1) He is significantly more active than his mafia games 2) he pushed jat early, from fairly near the start, in a mostly natural way, and again at a good time near the end 3) His attention is shifting constantly, seeing mafia in people, accusing them (contrast 1 total vote in his last mafia game day 1) 4) His frustration seems real and genuine - compare to his last mafia game where he folded immediately when under pressure 5) he looked like a headless sheep at the start of d2. I don't think some slip that doesn't look like a slip makes up for these things. But I am willing for you to tell me differently. Sorry i'll go look at your ritoky post after answering this. Just tell Koshi to stop. I don't know anything about Eden's meta. There is not a game (until recently) where i have closely read his posts because from my experience he tends to be like Palmar but worse (trolly as either alignment -- but when he posts i don't get much out of it). What i CAN say about your points is: 1) see above 2) Eden busses, he bussed SL in the PM game from the start. 3) Based on that game (where i actually read her posts after Koshi told me to) i agree 4) yes this is something i noticed aswell -- it is a good point 5) everyone was a headless sheep at the D2 start from what i read. Nobody had any fucking clue what was going on. That's why Eden's first post stood out, it looked like he knew what was going on. | ||
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On March 14 2015 01:16 marvellosity wrote: Two things: The entire first half is invalid. I explained why already. jat would vote town-rayn with marvellosity. To the bold: do I need to go find a post you made somewhere not so long ago where you said you would not even shoot me n1? Because I know you made it. I just don't want to go have to find it. If you want to please do. Not in this game, ever would i shoot anyone but you. | ||
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On March 13 2015 23:50 marvellosity wrote: I'm quoting all these posts together for some context. Let's take the first 2-3 posts. ritoky says he ain't got no strong scumreads so he'll sheep one of his townreads (Palmar). Ok I guess. Second post is "i don't have a reason to lynch rayn or jat" - ok, so he blindly puts his vote on me, when Palmar has provided no explanation for why I am mafia. 4th post - ritoky has A VERY GOOD REASON to call jat mafia. jat is literally lying about the stuff on ritoky. But no switch. 5th/6th posts - Koshi and rayn are both 80% townreads. Koshi and rayn are both hardpushing jat. Koshi and rayn are both hardpushing jat, ritoky has outright accused jat of lying, ritoky townreads Koshi and rayn, and yet ritoky leaves his vote and only moves it right at the end. Why? Okay this makes sense. ##unvote ##vote ritoky | ||
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On March 14 2015 01:25 marvellosity wrote: If you know 2 You also know that he was much, much less active in that game. So you kinda know 1 also. Honestly i do not. I do not know how active he is as town. | ||
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On March 14 2015 01:31 marvellosity wrote: ok ok all i mean is you know how active he is there and you see how active he is here. Yes he is quite active here. And yeah, he was quite inactive that Palmar game. It is just that when i see something that pings me really hard i throw everything else out of the window. Okay, maybe i am wrong. I still want to know why does town!Eden vote for Palmar for his vig claim. | ||
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On March 14 2015 01:32 Damdred wrote: You are super town marv and i'm disappointed that you got drawn into this crap tastic semantics debate. I was quite enjoying reading your reads. Anyway I've realized for a good 36 hours i'm really biased and tunneled on Eden also by my own metrics that I enjoy using I should have Eden in the town category and I know this. But literally I am having difficulty playing this game with this Eden, I posted concerns that I had about him to a neutral party at that moment in time who was town reading Eden (aka marv). I never directed my suspicions at the person who was saying that Eden didn't look so good, If I was just going along with thread sentiment at that time I would of went with Koshi to rile him up some as mafia instead of asking Marv if he saw what I saw. And instead of looking at it and going ok Damdred has a point even if I disagree makes this large case that really is a lot of non-points that do not go along with my scum game and tunnel on me for a cycle and a half basically and it is quite disconcerting especially when people say that what he is pointing out is not alignment indicative for the most part. But Eden does have glaring flaws in his play this game that I pointed out earlier and I don't feel like listing again at this point because I know i'm biased from anger and can't be objective at this point about him. However by the way I play the game I should have him as town meh. I'll probably do another POE in a bit and put all of my reads into it and go from there more than likely. Before you do that how can you go against Koshi in this game if you are mafia? | ||
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On March 14 2015 01:35 LightningStrike wrote: Guys do you think a Doctor Roleblocker setup be a little to strong for a 9-3 setup? Consider me ???. You are putting way too much thought into something you cannot prove. | ||
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On March 14 2015 01:38 Damdred wrote: I never said anything about going against Koshi? I will rephrase. At any point in this game how can you go against Koshi? | ||
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On March 14 2015 01:40 Koshi wrote: Hello Mafia If rayn isn't one of you and he has a role he is 100% certain veteran. I realize you guys know this. But it seems like rayn doesn't get it yet. So could you please reply to this message and tell me you heard me loud and clear. The thing is mafia does not know if i am or if i am not.. Yet you want me to spell it out for them. Fine you fucker. I am not a veteran. | ||
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On March 14 2015 01:46 Koshi wrote: Because he shot rsoultin. Let me just answer because I am quicker and it is obvious. Why would he be scum for it? | ||
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On March 14 2015 02:04 marvellosity wrote: Some fun wifom: In the other game, he is serious, making long cases, wants to appear town. Now, if he wanted to look town to townies in the other game (e.g. rsoultin in both) surely he would want those townies to think his play in that game was his townplay, so surely he'd want to mimic that here? Or was his plan to play trolly here so that rsoultin thinks he is mafia here and so town in the other game? Anyway if I were mafia in one endgame and town in another, i'd want my other game to look the same as the endgame I am trying to win in. #wifomwifomwifom why would he want to do the bolded part knowing rsoultin was town in both games? | ||
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On March 14 2015 02:05 Damdred wrote: Sure Rayn Marv makes good points Check Rayns filter Agree with points Think Rayn isn't his normal self, Votes Rayn LS argument Good vote still up till claim now this is my concern: lst time i asked you about this none of this was your reasoning. except for the "LS argument" which happened AFTER you voted for me..... | ||
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On March 14 2015 02:06 Damdred wrote: I know that I said we needed to wait on you before we made any more setup spec. I don't remember saying that rayn has to hard claim or anything then what did you mean? did you think i need to claim in some situation or not? If yes, explain where. If no, why did you say so in the first place? | ||
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On March 14 2015 02:08 marvellosity wrote: because it's ok if rsoultin thinks he is mafia here until the other game ends why else is he playing one way at endgame in front of one townie (rsoultin) and a totally different way in this game in front of the same townie (rsoultin) my (hilariously wifom) argument is that he should probably want to play exactly the same in both games in front of the same player. not to conceal. yeah okay, that makes sense. "between games changing playstyle as scum" -shit is just so low.... | ||
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On March 13 2015 07:18 Eden1892 wrote: ray should tell me who he tried to save and whether or not he was rb'd and should also try to help me figure out why he's alive, because it's nearly impossible to believe that he is the genuine honest-to-god medic, he's alive d2 and the only kill was rso (who was shot by vigclaim!palmar) here's an incentive ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: raynpelikoneet Okay let's go back to this then Eden. Why claim anything? | ||
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On March 14 2015 02:13 marvellosity wrote: I did say if you ever went back on your hardclaim you were agreeing to be lynched. Just sayin. what? | ||
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How does that have anything to do with what i claimed / what i am? | ||
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What i have idea about is that Eden and Damdred wanted me to claim my check/(role). And i do not how it does help, EVEN if Palmar was a vigi. | ||
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On March 14 2015 02:32 Damdred wrote: Well we had a claimed vig at one point and we were waiting around on someone else to claim vig etc., so at that time before we had the information it was important the information you had if you had any. Tahts why I said stop talking about it and don't give rayn any ideas if hes mafia. Obviously if you were vig and shot rs or if you were vet and we had a vig hit rs it was important or if we had a vig and you were medic. Those are instances that are important. Now its just kind of unimportant to me not even sure what you are doing. If i am a vig i shot my 100% town read which is legit come on man..... | ||
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On March 14 2015 02:34 Damdred wrote: I gave you a list of things where hard claiming who you save dwould be benficial? Are you daft rayn Where? | ||
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On March 14 2015 02:37 Damdred wrote: This is like the game where Rayn went totally stupid and I can't understand a thing he is doing. Quite literally Can you still answer my question? How does me claiming anything help? Because it doesn't. Unless i found mafia by it. Which i didn't. So how is your absolute "rayn needs to help us with this"? | ||
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On March 14 2015 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: now this is my concern: lst time i asked you about this none of this was your reasoning. except for the "LS argument" which happened AFTER you voted for me..... also this. | ||
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HOW AM I NOT MAKING SENSE? this is fucking stupid. | ||
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On March 14 2015 02:41 marvellosity wrote: rayn do you think your role is worth more than what this confusion is doing to town? yes i am willing to keep this game as hostage if people are fucking retarded and you should help me to NOt do that,. | ||
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But i can't read you scum because i have so much intelligent posts. I just can't. FUCK-. | ||
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* you have so much intelligent posts. | ||
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On March 14 2015 02:45 marvellosity wrote: I can't stop Koshi doing what Koshi does. Or anyone else And I always, always, always, always, always, always say I hate this fucking about with claims, fakeclaims, hardclaims, real claims, mysterious claims. Which you know. One reason I hate it: this. This is why I hate it. It does this. Yes but why do you discuss it?????????????????????????? I don't want you to discuss it. I want you to tell people to ignore it because you fucking know i can hardclaim or fakeclaim in that situation anyday. I did one of those because i was fucking sure JAT is mafia. That's why i did it. Nothing will change that fact. My real role is not important UNTIL LATER. Because mafia possibly cannot fakeclaim if i am blue. | ||
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On March 14 2015 02:50 Damdred wrote: We weren't even really talking about blue claims rayn until you asked me and eden and koshi decided you had to claim etc. well at least for the last few pages. If you didn't want to discuss it why even ask the questions Answer the question and do not dance around it please. How does it help if i claim my role? | ||
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On March 14 2015 02:52 Koshi wrote: Rayn is mafia. Confirmed fucking mafia. I counterclaim his veteran claim. Lynch him. YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT! | ||
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On March 14 2015 02:56 Koshi wrote: I KNOW BUT WHY ARE YOU KEEPING THIS SHIT UP AS VT??????????? EVEN WITH A TOWN RB. BECAUSE MAFIA DOES NOT KNOW IF I AM VETERAN OR NOT?!?!?!!?!!? | ||
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Koshi please. Step up now then. | ||
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On March 14 2015 03:02 marvellosity wrote: can we just kill ritoky yes | ||
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On March 14 2015 03:05 Damdred wrote: Why oneg over damdred who you had a scum read on? because me town reads tell me he is not mafia. i get back to you.. i promise i will. wanna kill ritoky? | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: If i am a medic and claim my protection target mafia knows who i can't protect next night, unless i am lying, which doesn't help town in any way. Also mafia would know i am not veteran. If i am veteran i wouldn't even know if i was shot or not so claiming is incredibly dumb because it does not help town in any way. If i am neither mafia knows i am not either. Which again, does not help town. Every single scenario helps ONLY mafia and not town. | ||
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On March 14 2015 03:27 Palmar wrote: I don't even care if it helps mafia or not rayn. ##unvote ##vote rayn I want a hard claim that WILL BE PUNISHABLE BY LYNCH if you ever try to retract on it. I want you to hard claim. | ||
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On March 14 2015 03:50 Palmar wrote: Green check on you. So I think you're godfather. Now claim. no i won't. | ||
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On March 14 2015 03:52 ritoky wrote: It seems that 0 people read anything I typed. #confirmedlyfe It seems like you have to do something to counter marv's case. | ||
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On March 14 2015 03:56 ritoky wrote: I mean do you want me to dig up scum games? I have literally rolled scum in 7 consecutive games prior to this one. It is absolutely night and day. I am the lead wagon today and I am not even angry or trying to get anyone lynched. I literally could not be any more town this game if I tried. but this has nothing to do with meta. Can you quote his post and give an answer? | ||
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You are fucking bad. So fucking bad at this time. You should be ashamed you are a veteran because no mafia team is ever going to shoot you. You can tunnel me all the way you want to. But you're still fucking bad. | ||
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On March 14 2015 04:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: ritoky can you counter the post i wanted you to or not? | ||
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On March 14 2015 04:17 Koshi wrote: Rayn can you claim? We asked a.zillion times and you havent yet. I am VT you dipshit. Yes i can claim-. Just ot make you feel fucking sorry. You are so bad Koshi, so bad. | ||
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On March 14 2015 04:24 ritoky wrote: you're obviously not reading anything i type. this was the state of the game before you're not PR. any of eden, marv, or prp should 100% be the lynches today. who ae you pushing and why? | ||
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On March 14 2015 04:26 ritoky wrote: sorry, but i am legit the towniest town in this entire game. by a country mile. no. The votes on you tell it is not true in the first plcae- | ||
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i do not think ritoky is mfai. | ||
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Someone make something out of Onegu. Please. | ||
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Sorry, but fuck you all who are town, i have used too many hours already i should have onto this game. bye. | ||
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So you can't really think i am mafia without marv being also mafia which is a retarded assumption in the first place given how this game has went. I don't really who is mafia, Onegu and ritoky are least town. I am going to sheep marv because i trust his reads. ##vote ritoky | ||
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On March 15 2015 00:24 marvellosity wrote: like the argument rayn brings there is totally discredited by one if how own posts. meeeeh "have never" != "not do it here" After Noir i have not played against you as mafia (except for that VS game) but that game taught me something. | ||
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On March 15 2015 00:08 Damdred wrote: Rayns play this game hasn't made any sense. Also slep for 15 hours bad me Good argument. I lynched mafia. Obviously my play makes no sense. | ||
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I don't even know what i was thinking when making that post because i am pretty sure that stupid hashtag game was also after Noir. | ||
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On March 15 2015 23:26 Damdred wrote: Marv likes people who say smart things, I noticed something smart marv reacts badly. What is that thing specifically? | ||
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On March 15 2015 23:34 Damdred wrote: The reaction koshi made to jat claim and the way he treated your claim the next day specifically Can you explain this more specifically? | ||
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On March 15 2015 23:40 Damdred wrote: Koshi was dogged about you claiming and not believing your claim, however he instantly believed jat and voted you when jat claimed medic the day before. I don't know how is that a "smart thing" to say? Like Koshi, being a veteran, does believe one of the claims. On D2 he doesn't believe either of the claims (there is also Palmar claiming medic on D1 btw). I see that not as smart. | ||
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Palmar is most likely town because he also claimed medic. I don't see a reason why either of us was hit unless Palmar is town. There were two medic claims, the correct play in this scenario for either me/Palmar is to protect the other claim. I do not see any other scenario than that mafia does believe one of us was in fact a medic but could not figure out which one (becuase shooting wrong will result in 2 mostly confirmed townies). Therefore Palmar has to be town. | ||
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On March 15 2015 23:52 marvellosity wrote: that seems like a really weak reason. Then why does Palmar not shoot me on N1? There is no fucking reason to not shoot me. | ||
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On March 16 2015 00:53 marvellosity wrote: claiming during the night is definitely one of your smartest moves this game babe | ||
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I don't care about it on night but the next day i will. If we discount Damdred for now lynch Onegu. | ||
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On March 16 2015 00:15 Damdred wrote: I debated between ritoky and rsoultin because of yours and her reactions. Plus I read rsoultin for complete shit You mean this post? You had her town on N1, and three other people scum.... | ||
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On March 16 2015 01:27 Damdred wrote: Then last post before night ended in case I got shot I sais, check into Eden and rsoultin interactions as they are weird Okay then elaborate on this please. Why were they weird? And what did it mean for you? | ||
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On March 16 2015 01:29 marvellosity wrote: iirc Koshi was going at rsoultin pretty hard towards end of n1 so were some other people. yes i know. what does it matter? | ||
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On March 16 2015 01:33 Damdred wrote: Hard town read both ways. Hard defending pocketing etc., Yeah it just made me think one was Scum and I pinged rs out earlier and things Kochi said made sense How does "weird interaction between two people" result in one being scum and the other one town? | ||
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On March 16 2015 01:48 Damdred wrote: Because can't read her well weird interactions etc You didn't read Eden mafia on N1 start either.... | ||
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On March 16 2015 01:51 marvellosity wrote: fuck off with this "if you are town" crap Well excuse me but you do not usually do this. You usually give me room for my questioning and comment on it after. Here you are directly giving Damdred answers he didn't even mention on N1. How the fuck am i supposed to know he is not just taking what you say and copy it because it makes sense? I want to know what HE thinks, not what you think. | ||
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It does not say that in your conclusion. Or if it does, i have no fucking idea why you also call marv and ritoky mafia. | ||
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On March 16 2015 02:01 Damdred wrote: Literally I say I think jat lied about Eden at that point I think. Eden, marv, ritoky were all possible frames especially marv and marv was extremely towny second half of n1 I think. I don't understand two things if this is true: (1) Why do you even have to debate marv & ritoky here (in your vote analysis thing) if you have scumreads on Onegu & Eden? (2) Why do you chose to check rsoultin over Eden? | ||
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On March 16 2015 02:06 Damdred wrote: Its just better for me to get a check oh rsoultin rather people who can get framed I think But there is nothing in your posting that makes rsoultin go from town -> possible mafia...... | ||
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On March 13 2015 07:12 Damdred wrote: They probably shot the vet ???????????????????????? | ||
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On March 16 2015 03:15 Onegu wrote: Rayn you know you can never read me. Give me your complete thoughts on prplhz plz. Can you point out the last game i couldn't read you? All you've been saying in this game is "rayn is town yadda yadda" and it feels like an overplay. I don't care about prplhz atm. Why should i read you town? | ||
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On March 16 2015 05:16 Eden1892 wrote: Oh and also on ray, make him give a compelling answer to this question: "Now that we know JAT's strategy near the end of day 1 was to get a mislynch to save himself, why didn't JAT try to get his main counterwagon lynched?" that's your question to ask, not mine. | ||
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On March 16 2015 05:34 Eden1892 wrote: Now that we know JAT tried to get a mislynch to save himself, why didn't he try to lynch his counterwagon, ray? Because he couldn't? Who the fuck knows. I don't, do you? | ||
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because he is like supersoft. much words with nothing in those words. | ||
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Kill me then kill Koshi. you get mafia 100%. I am done posting. | ||
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I also claim cop with a green check on ritoky. I also claim medic with a successful save on Palmar. I also claim i don't care. Like fuck this game is full of idiots. | ||
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On March 16 2015 06:24 Koshi wrote: rayn, if you aren't mafia. Marv and Palmar are. yeah i guess i am mafia then you brighthead. | ||
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On March 16 2015 07:14 Onegu wrote: <3 So what about my points was wrong.? You have read me wrong in the past. Hogwarts neat and tidy down under. I always read you correctly and haven't been wrong on you, and my reasons for reading you town are all legit. So why am I scum again Rayn? I don't care if i have read you wrong or right (in fact in neat and tidy i read you right when koshi was as ass). You have nothing to say except "rayn is town". That makes you scun. | ||
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On March 16 2015 08:01 marvellosity wrote: i think we should lynch you but i'm never gonna get the support for it and i cba. so whatever. I am sorry but if you think so you are bad. | ||
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On March 16 2015 08:10 marvellosity wrote: in fact all you did was call me bad in hashtag. true. in here you are calling yourself bad and i want you to play. | ||
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On March 16 2015 20:22 Palmar wrote: Can someone tell me I'm overreacting (or not) with deciding Damdred isn't a dick enough to replace out like this as mafia? It feels like I could get away with an easy read right here. Damdred slot is definitely town or this game is invalid. | ||
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On March 16 2015 20:41 prplhz wrote: so you are saying i'm lying about the meta? you are saying he called sciberbia confirmed town and i decided not to tell the thread that, instead i told the thread that he had not done such a thing? He is saying you can't compare this game to the game for what you said. You said JAT didn't read marv town in that other game despite marv being easy to read for him but marv was mafia in that game so why should JAT read him town in the first place there? This game JAT gave out half-arsed townreads. That game he did the opposite. Therefore the meta you presented is invalid. | ||
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On March 16 2015 20:47 prplhz wrote: oh, i didn't consider that marv point. but it's still true that he didn't give out town reads like he did this game. Yes it is. Which is why i asked him for his reasoning he never gave. And which is why i dug more into his play later on. | ||
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I am obviously saying you did this thing with JAT here in this game... So yes, you might be mafia with him. Anyways i have a doctor's appointment soon so i'll dig up more on this and other stuff after i am back. | ||
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On March 16 2015 20:59 Palmar wrote: Because the reason he replaced out is that people were scumreading him. Doing that as mafia should be bannable. It's basically a strategical replacement for in-game benefits. Hell this is why I don't use replacements. Doing that as either alignment is cheating tbh. | ||
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What i am going to do now is to go through everyone and everything since i am on a sick leave from work for at least two days. I am also going to distract dumb shit like "VT claim" or "this much posts" towntells because obviously some of those tells are not true. I am not mafia and there are two people who are being called town for something that's not townie (like everyone is being called town for some tells and i can't trust all of them, so i am just going to ignore all of it). I also found Sentinel's music which has been proved to be good for scumhunting. I recommend it. | ||
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There is not much to be said, and this is where my vote is and will remain as we speak. I think Onegu overplayed his townread on me. I think the post where he "explains" the read proves it. Like i think the only smart thing Onegu has said in this game is how Eden reacted to Palmas vig claim. That does not really mean much if Eden is town though, especially when Onegu seems to be reading Palmar "null scummish" lol. I also obviously liked his vote on JAT, but idk.. i kinda feel like he has to do that if he is mafia. This is a dude who trusts my reads so much when i fakeclaim mason with mafia to lynch another mafia (when Onegu is in fact my mason partner) he counter-fakeclaims tracker when that said mafia does it. So yeah, i think his vote is not alignment indicative at all in the end. purplehaze: There are some things that seriously bother me with prplhz in this game. First is his vote on me D1. I went to read his games in the following games: Carnival Cruise Mafia - Mafia Roulette Mini Mafia - Town Default Suspicions Mafia - Town World Heavyweight Championship Mafia II - Town Cell Mini Mafia - Town TL Mafia LXVII: Storm Mafia 2 - Town What's charasteristic for prplhz in his (at least latest) town games is that when he has a scumread he makes a case, votes for them, then questions his read (after they answer) and people about his read. In Carnival he was just, idk, all over the place with his cases, i mean he dropped his cases for no apparent reason and moved on to another case. In this game, in contrast to his town games he does this: - vote rayn - make a case on JAT - question people who vote for JAT (srsly, it looks like he thinks the people who vote for JAT (f.ex. Eden) are more scummy than JAT) - talks about everything but why JAT is mafia - never moves his vote - ends up with this post around JAT's claim: On March 12 2015 06:50 prplhz wrote: just seems like everybody mysteriously converged on jat today I don't think prplhz had ever any intention to lynch JAT while scumreading him. His play does not add up to what i am used to see from him. Like yes, i know i at least used to be really terrible in reading prplhz because he just posts so little. But i do not hee how his play on D1 follows any logic at all because he does many things that are the opposite i would expect him to do if he is town. He doesn't follow up on his suspicions (like in Titanic), which he usually ALWAYS does as town. He just parks his vote on me for "well marv and rsoultin are voting for him" without even reconsidering his vote after reading my explanation towards marv's case. That is not townish for prplhz. Even if we discount the weird acting towards JAT scumread his acting towards reading me scum is scummy. He is not a guy who just says "yolo let's sheep marv", or at least is unwilling to confront people when new evidence comes up. On day 2 what sticks out to me the most is prplhz's read progression on Damdred. First he tries to analyse the night kill (understandable -- as everyone was pretty much doing that). He reaches to a conclusion: On March 13 2015 18:02 prplhz wrote: i'm pretty sure this is an important post to understanding rso night kill town reads: koshi LS rayn eden me townish/meh: marv rso scum reads: palmar ritoky onegu damdred i think this means that there's reason to look more into damdred which i will try to do But when you go further to read what prplhz actually does regarding the bolded part, it's this: On March 15 2015 03:21 prplhz wrote: i don't know if they're all town but i think palmar town because he's shennanie and having too much fun. 3 fake claims and sexy list and whatever. it just looks like town palmar. going with my guts here even though his read on me was bad and he didn't investigate even though he should have. koshi and rayn pushing jat yesterday. i give koshi most of the credit for getting jat lynched but maybe i'm wrong here. it just looked like marv was getting rayn lynched and then koshi steps in and goes for jat. rayn helped, i still can't shake his weird early game but i faintly recall that sometimes i don't get his early game (just read some old game where he pushed some weird plan early on and i scumread him for it, it's kind of the same here, i don't understand where the hell he's going and it seems useless to me). both towns, mostly koshi. marv just seems town too. i like most of the things he's said especially pretty much confirming me, partly by revealing some town tell (the whiny bitch tell). ls town. i was a little worried about eden but his anger and his hastily aborted push on me yesterday seems townie. why would a scum push me and then after a single retort stop pushing me? i just think scum are more deliberate in their actions. damdred is really putting in some effort. this just leaves ritoky and onegu. i don't know if they're both scum (might very well be wrong on something up there) but i think there's certainly scum in between them. Did prplhz go investigate more into Damdred? Does it look like it? Anyone? Because for me it sure as hell it does not. Also see the red part. "One of ritoky / Onegu is definitely mafia". What happens when ritoky flips and D3 begins: On March 16 2015 20:25 prplhz wrote: i don't know palmar is town because dumb trolling marv is town because huge filter rayn town because fake claim to lynch scum koshi because pushed jat onegu town because claimed vt those are very simplistic reasons but lets just close our eyes and assume they're all true. there are reasons these people could be mafia but my eyes are CLOSED right now. that leaves damdred/FF + eden. lol i just think damdred and eden look town but everybody looks town. Like this is information that has been thread since Onegu made his FIRST post. Suddenly NOW it becomes a towntell for prplhz? I just can't see how any of these read progressions can come from a townie. Especially when in multiple games he refuses to even consider lynching me because "rayn is valuable to town and finds mafia, if he doesn't, then we can lynch him". Yes i know very well this is also what he said in Titanic game aswell but it does not matter, it does matter he thinks so AS TOWN (see for example Cell game where he instantly claims he wants my/HF cells alive later on in the game). I don't see how any of his voting makes any sense given the content he has provided in thread. Eden: This is from his D1 reads. I don't agree with it at all. (5) I think prplhz is town. Again I could be sleeping on his mafia game and/or misremembering things here, but despite not really paying any attention to Titanic I remember thinking he was vaguely suspicious, and (iirc) he was mafia there. Here I see him very blatantly trying to be productive, which I don't remember from Titanic. I like his questioning me about my vote on JAT for example, even though I have no intention of playing ball about it right now I don't think he evfer explains why prplhz seems "productive", especially more productive than he was in Titanic. Elaboration would be nice. The answer is not "because he questioned my vote on JAT" because that post was obviously questionable. Meh, Eden actually tried real hard to get ritokyl lynched with his scumread JAT. I don't really how he goes from JAT being his top scumread to ritoky on D1. Because of something JAT said? There should be quite much natural resistance against when your top scumread makes a case on someone upon being lynched. Unless the case is really good, which clearly was not the point here as the case was "ritoky is not playing". I don't think that is a good enough case to trust in Eden's situation here, as itis an obvious case to make for mafia!JAT. I also do not understand how Eden goes from "ritoky is the best lynch, if not D1 i am lynching him D2" into "I'm not bragging on JAT cause I wavered but I am totally pushing my credit for Damdred if he flips scum. We should sheep my case on him tomorrow" into -> "Damdred is my best pick. After that it's probably Onegu. That's all I got right now". ... Like i know ritoky was town and all that shit but this is just not natural. Because either Eden (from town perspective) didn't give a fuck if he lynches a townie or mafia on D1 if he thinks exactly one of JAT/ritoky is scum, or he thought both of them are scum, which makes this even more scummy. Furthermore in his reads list on N1 he gives all the reasons for ritoky to be mafia in this instance, and ends up in a conclusion "ritoky is town"?!?!?! ritoky is probably town on further reflection. There seemed to be a brief window where the lynch was in question, with ray, ritoky and JAT as the three wagons. JAT was very animated about getting people who weren't committed against him or ray to vote for ritoky over him. I think it was Koshi who called it the "time when JAT had hope" of not being lynched, and he spent an awful lot of it trying to get ritoky lynched. The catch here is that JAT is the better scumsided player compared to ritoky pretty easily, and I'd think that in most cases a given scumteam would rather sac ritoky to save JAT than the reverse. (No offense ritoky, it's not that you're bad, it's that JAT has arguably the best scumside game of anyone currently active on TL Mafia.) So JAT busing isn't out of the question. And it's not like ritoky has played a scintillating obvtown game either. But the reason this is more likely town is simple - if the mafia team had decided to bus (which, if they're both mafia, JAT pushing ritoky hard = bus), why didn't ritoky push to get JAT lynched? It's too glaring an inconsistency to ignore, so I think ritoky is probably town. I still don't like his reaction to Palmar's vigi claim. Maybe i am wrong on this and it does not mean anything but i have seen manyu times scum say something to give out they have extra information they should not. Two examples: - that game where i claimed masons with SL's scumbuddy. After the reaction i got i was like "yeah these two guys are definitely mafia together" but than i was retarded and dumped it because it sounded too easy. - one game where i claimed mafia had tried to see if i was their traitor (in the game if mafia incorrectly guesses who the traitor is that townie will know mafia has tried to guess them), i got "lol they did not guess you" -> ezpz traitor read, dumb town never lynched him obviously... I don't know if i am reading too much into this and it bothers me because i KNOW i have been right on this kinda stuff before. But everyone seems to be disagreeing with me as "rsoultin was Eden's top town read yadda yadda" whatever he gave as an explanation. I just do not see why he would make that post, ever, as town. At some point on D2 he goes from hardcore scumreading Damdred and Onegu to this: On March 15 2015 03:33 Eden1892 wrote: ^^^^ i am serious about palmarv team though. or at least one part of it: ##VOTE: Palmar this guy isn't figuring the game out and hardclaimed cop with an inno on ray claiming to believe ray was godfather. like lol pls. and i think damdred is incorrect to say that palmar has been trolling a lot; he has been trollish to an extent but it's actually a lot less pervasive than i remember from his town games. i'm also not sure that him not pushing lynches super-hard indicates town, because he tends to lock in on a target VERY decisively as town (see Hammertime Mafia for a recent example). i'm not sure who the partner would be. marv comes to mind, i don't feel the same level of investment that i've come to expect from town!marv, but i also feel like his interaction with jat is uncharacteristic of his mafia game. i think everyone damdred townread before his final 4 is probably town, and mostly for the reasons damdred said, to boot my issue is that i like onegu AND ritoky for town :/ i'm not writing off damdred but he's not my lynch today. maybe another day will help sort this out? but palmar has to go imo I don't even know why?? He never explains why Damdred is no more mafia. He never explains why Onegu is no more mafia, he just "doesn't even care about Onegu" anymore. Maybe it's the dumb VT claim, which, again, has been there for fucking ages. Well okay, he explains them later. So Damdred did this AtE thing and Onegu claimed VT. rofl. Those things are really easy to do as mafia, rage, or write some words. Fuck i don't know, maybe Eden iss town after all it seems consistent with his line of thinking during the game regarding other things.... idk, someone help me out here? I really don't know what to think of this. This kinda reminds me of myself when i started playing mafia but way worse. It seems like Eden does shit for no reason and changes his mind for no reason. I know he is a hardcore busser. So he probably has balls to say whatever shit he evercomes up with as mafia. I don't care about meta here, i want to understand why Eden does these things if he is town because i refuse just believe someone is incapable of doing irrational things as mafia.... Here are the people i want to focus on today because i am almost absolutely sure there is two mafia in this group. Onegu is definitely the scummiest purely based on the lack of content and i want to murder him with fire. purplehaze looks scummier than Eden, but i would like both of these two to explain why they have done the stuff i outlined here. One of them has to be town. And there has to be a reasonable explanation for that person. | ||
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On March 17 2015 01:31 Palmar wrote: Like just to make you feel uncomfortable about it, I really want to kill onegu too. The problem here is that I feel like that would be conceding to the "simple" solution, which I guess isn't a bad thing. It just feels wrong to do it. And even then, who is his partner? FF? Eden? I don't know, that's what i am trying to figure out. | ||
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On March 17 2015 01:38 marvellosity wrote: completely eliminating Palmar, rayn? no. | ||
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But i won't lynch outside the pool i presented today and tomorrow. I don't think i am bad enough to not find at least one mafia in those three. If all those people are town i am terrible at this game and should be ashamed of myself. | ||
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like let's be honest here. if you decide i should be lynched it will happen regardless of your affiliation, because people are fucking sheeps who have no brain. so i don't really care. but you're dumb if you lynch me, i'll just say that. | ||
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i mean, you're not like (previous) Koshi who just decides i am scum at some point and ruins the game for me because he is incapable of re-evaluating. | ||
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We are not lynching Palmar at least at this point. | ||
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On March 17 2015 01:57 Koshi wrote: Sure. I like how he says you are mafia and then when we are talking about you he is investigating how Damdred became more town. Really productive. I actually meant the "phase" where he tried to get marv play when marv looked demotivated. Given that i am town and marv's vote was on me that is a really townie thing to do. Obviously it's not clear for you but for me it is. If you want to pursue Palmar feel free to. | ||
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On March 17 2015 02:02 Eden1892 wrote: did anybody ever give a plausible reason for why ray is still alive? you can't be fucking serious? | ||
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On March 17 2015 02:09 Eden1892 wrote: i've played in games before where there were a bunch of relatively good people in the game, where town had to fight pretty hard for the successful lynches it got, and where everyone felt like everyone else was being townie and we just defaulted to lynching people who hadn't been putting forth as much work as everyone else. they invariably flipped town and we either lost or almost lost because of it - the game was hard to solve because someone was playing a really baller mafia game and we either couldn't find them or just barely could basically i'm not convinced a town with a bunch of tlmafia's biggest names would be so thoroughly bamboozled by somebody basically not playing. this isn't the magical unicorn game where all the people in the townie in-group are town and we just lynch the people outside of it and win i understand that just saying that isn't helpful which is why i'm trying to go through people that either i ignored/had as town (prplhz) or that i feel have suspicious circumstances surrounding them (ray being alive blablabla) This is not really a game-related argument regarding anyone's affiliation. If a "lurker" is scummy them playing with "big names" does not make them town. "big names" seeming town does not make them scum. i don't even know what you are trying to say. last game we demolished mafia because they were bad, and townies were good. | ||
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On March 17 2015 02:17 Eden1892 wrote: ray, about where was it argued conclusively why you survived n1? if you can remember an approximate pg number i'll look for it myself. even better if you know who said it how the fuck would i know why i am alive? maybe because everyone and their mother is scumreading me. maybe because mafia didn't believe my claim. how am i supposed to know that? | ||
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maybe because it gives you an opportunity to make these stupid arguments. | ||
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On March 17 2015 03:41 Eden1892 wrote: i'm not really sure :o inb4 marv gets hella mad at me his filter length is pretty ridiculous even after Imperial. in Imperial marv had 44 pgs in 6 cycles. here he has 41 in just over 2. so that's something With 213 pages into the game is it seriously that a large portion of your reads is abased on filter lengths and some weird narratives like VT claims? | ||
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well that is what you literally say. | ||
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How is that even possible? | ||
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On March 17 2015 06:07 Eden1892 wrote: And I'm not saying that just to pick a semantics battle, that isn't even close to anything I've said or claimed this game. It's part of why I'm voting for you, whenever you question me you put words in my mouth or make sweeping claims about my having too much info. It looks like you're just trying to spin what I'm saying to make me a viable target instead of genuinely trying to discern my alignment. Combine that with the fact that no one can explain why you lived through n1 given the d1 lynch circumstances and I think you're the best mafia pick right now. I have done that ONCE. Fucking once, when THERE WAS A REASON TO DO SO! | ||
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Not a part of it. You are making me angry atm.. | ||
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On March 17 2015 06:15 Eden1892 wrote: The three points I can really remember in no special order: (1) The n1 actions (2) Your questioning doesn't look like it's hunting for mafia but trying to make people look lynchable without regard for their alignment (3) I feel like when you're town, from what I've seen of you, you tend to be more forceful about finding mafia. You were so with JAT d1 which was part of why I townread you before JAT flipped. But I feel like you've dropped off since then and are more complacent, which kinda ties into (2) I gotta go for now but I can talk more ¬1/2 hr (1) doesn't mean anything (2) explain, i have not questioned anyone much after D1 where i was completely lost when i did so. (3) i have pushed my reads. | ||
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I feel like when you're town, from what I've seen of you, you tend to be more forceful about finding mafia. You were so with JAT d1 which was part of why I townread you before JAT flipped. But I feel like you've dropped off since then and are more complacent, which kinda ties into like this is is straight up BS because Eden townread me WAY before i EVER pushed JAT. | ||
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the part where you say you need a mafia lynch today. you are not really trying tbh, at least up to this point. | ||
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On March 17 2015 07:17 Koshi wrote: Onegu lynch doesn't tell me shit tbh. prplhz lynch tells me a lot. And I got a feeling we are going to lynch them both so I prefer the information now. Who cares about the information? Which one is scummier? Koshi PLEASE? | ||
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Damdred has to be a liar because he disagreed with your take on the LS situation Funny Eden, i thought you read me town for this, no? Where did it change? | ||
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On March 17 2015 07:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Funny Eden, i thought you read me town for this, no? Where did it change? | ||
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On March 17 2015 07:39 Eden1892 wrote: You keep proving my point about reading for the worst possible intentions with every post you make. It's really weird. Yes, at the time I read you town for the strength of your conviction in your belief that Damdred was a liar, even though I disagreed that Damdred was a liar and felt you were way off-base there. As you have pervasively demonstrated yourself to lack the desire to interpret anything people say in good faith, however, I'm noticing a pattern of persistent distortion of what people say, and it seems to accompany you trying to scumread them. It now looks to me like you're trying to find reasons to have scumreads instead of trying to find alignments, which is suspicious. I don't even want to write a response to this post. Please someone do it for me. | ||
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Everyhing is just a decoy to what you jsut said fucking five minutes before. You haven't even read my post where i clearly state i am unsure if you or prplhz is the last mafia wiht Onegu and i CLEARLY state my scumread on Onegu. I have been so fucking straightforward on who i read mafia int his game, like if you can't fuicking understand that you are just a fucking idiot or mafia. My thought process has been clear throughout the gmae and if you can't understand that... yeah see above. Fuck you you are just probably scum. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/479775-xxx-mini-mafia-a-night-of-debauchery-18?page=211 Read the posts. Does it look like there is "nothing new happening"? rofl. | ||
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On March 17 2015 08:10 Eden1892 wrote: I'm not commenting like I'm anything. I'm posting my suspicions and answering questions. If I miss something I miss something. And here we go again. It's like you're allergic to charity. Why should I townread you ray? What am I missing that's supposed to be obvious? If you can't answer that then you can't possibly justify getting mad at me for suspecting you. What explanation am I supposed to buy into for the n1 actions that makes you town? Because i fucking lynched mafia on D1. That's why you should read me town. I LYNCHED MAFIA ON D1. SOMEHOW YOU ARE UNABLE TO COMPUTE THIS SIMPLE FACT! | ||
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On March 17 2015 08:21 Eden1892 wrote: you realize that him being your counterwagon thanks to Koshi's pushing puts a damper on this, right? you lynched mafia d1 when the alternative was getting lynched; pardon me if I don't think this clears you. then you suddenly didn't die at night despite being un-cc'd doc, and we found out by MLing ritoky that your counterwagon who flipped scum decided to push an outlier townie instead of you. the idea that you're also mafia is quite reasonable. First of all i was NOT un-cc'd doc. Second you can call me scum all you want but you are just making yourself look really fucking bad with this. I am not going to argue with you on this because you are either fucking terrible or scum. I refuse to talk with either. | ||
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I am going to bed because i am done with this, i am feeling angry and it's bad. Tomorrow is a new day. | ||
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On March 17 2015 21:59 Koshi wrote: WAIT. Let me look it up. I always thought Onegu instantly gave reasons for his townread on rayn. No he did not. | ||
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I don't know, about a day before that read he says this: @ Rayn. Who is scum so I can sheep you? Does it look like he does not have a townread on me? On March 17 2015 22:03 Koshi wrote: Am I fucking going crazy or are that 5 fucking reasons right when he townreads rayn??????????????????????????? No, i also do all those things as mafia as someone already said. | ||
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On March 17 2015 22:08 Koshi wrote: LOOK AT THIS SUPER SERIOUS POST BY ONEGU GUYS OBVIOUS RAYN HARD TOWNREAD Then what does the post in your opinion say? | ||
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But you can't just levae out the fact you could be wrong here. Can you answer me this: You say Onegu is town and push some people. Other people push Onegu. Who do you think he buddies up to readwise in this situation as mafia? | ||
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On March 17 2015 22:13 Koshi wrote: Day 3? He isn't buddying anybody. He is telling you how he sees it. He isn't buddying me at all. He calls Palmar, prlhz and Eden mafia. He has reasons to call others town. It is in his filter. It aren't refined reads, he doesn't put a shitton of work in. But to lynch him because he townread you and doesn't give reasons is FUCKING BULLSHIT AND A STRAIGHT UP LIE. Of course he is buddying if he is mafia. Why the fuck is he not buddying me? I am the one he should convince and probably WOULD try to convince if he was town. I am not saying he didn't give reasons. I am saying his reasoning seems forced. | ||
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On March 17 2015 22:16 marvellosity wrote: in all seriousness, Koshi, does the way he approached rayn this game look like Slytherin? Did you look? If yes, can you just explain briefly why? I don't think Slytherin is a good example because we were masons with Onegu. | ||
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On March 17 2015 22:17 marvellosity wrote: rayn - prplhz/Eden were your other two targets. thoughts on them since you made your original post? Nothing's changed. prplhz hasn't said anything and Eden is as irrational as before. Like i find it quite odd Eden didn't even read my post, or if he did still did not comment on any of it. | ||
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On March 17 2015 22:20 marvellosity wrote: me too. seems quite important if he is calling you mafia especially. Well he didn't even bother to explain why he reads me mafia after FF made a really good point about his vote. | ||
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On March 17 2015 22:23 Koshi wrote: So are you saying he would buddy if he is mafia? But only as town he would buddy you. So because he is mafia this game and obvious buddying but not buddying you he is mafia. Ok rayn. I got it! He is calling me town. That is different than following my reads / discussing them by interacting with me. Like he never ever talks to me in this game besides calling me town in thread. Last game i found him out was Neat and Tidy. The same thing there. But in that case he just dropped his townread on me because you went full retard on D3 when the game was already solved. Obviously he cannot do that here because about half of his posts are calling me town. But he doesn't act like he thinks i am town, as townie. He is not trying to solve the game with me which i would expect him to do regardless of whatever the rest of the game thinks about me at any state. | ||
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On March 17 2015 22:38 Koshi wrote: Ok so this is how it goes. 1) marv uses a lie and say Onegu is mafia because he townreads you without reasons. 2) Koshi says marv is an idiot and a liar. 3) marv changes his reasoning and say Onegu is mafia because he interacts with rayn and then calls him town. 4) rayn says that isn't always the case and in that game they were masons. 5) marv changes his reasoning and says that in Guilty mafia Onegu reads rayn a certain way and doesn't do it the same way here, hence Onegu is mafia. 6) Koshi points out marv ignored the fact Onegu was wrong in Guilty mafia (so why would he continue reading rayn like that) and that Onegu didn't interact with rayn at all. (so marv his previous accusation that Onegu is mafia because he doesn't interact with rayn is wrong) tldr: marv keeps piling up the lies to call Onegu mafia. The bolded part is the important here. It does not even matter if Onegu reads me town or mafia in that game. It matters that Onegu reads me in certain way which is what that read represents, which is not what this game's read represents. | ||
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On March 17 2015 22:42 marvellosity wrote: while trying to persuade not a single person? hahaha. i said all day to vote for whoever people think is mafia, and i said ever since rayn made his big post that i would just sheep rayn. that is all For reals that does not invalidate Koshi's point that both you and Palmar called Onegu's reasoning to have come after he hard townread me. You guys don't seem like you read his first post on me a townread like i did. So in that regards Koshi actually is right... Unless you explain. | ||
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On March 17 2015 22:44 Koshi wrote: Which certain way? The way Onegu reads you is how he presented it in this thread. And every past game I saw was a complete different situation. Show me why it is impossible town Onegu reads you town this way after 50 pages? He uses more insight in his read. This game it is just a point after point where all the points are invalid and he should know that if he is that good at reading me. Like this is not about some specific tell that fails at some game, so you can't just say "Onegu might change his style of reading rayn from reasonable to stupid because he was wrong once". | ||
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On March 17 2015 22:49 marvellosity wrote: I took (maybe incorrectly) Onegu's soul-read incoming on you to mean a townread, which i already admitted last page or so was not right to do the post came 13minutes before he made the actual read. i don't know how does that changes things? | ||
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On March 17 2015 22:53 Koshi wrote: Hmm. Which way should Onegu have read you? How should it have looked like? I am looking at those 5 points and I somewhat agree with Onegu. It might be a bit lazy. But it is fine. And please remember there was a serious EUREKA tone in this post from Onegu as well concerning rayn, this somewhat shows town!Onegu still thinking and being critical about raynpelikoneet and not scum!Onegu sitting on his earlier townread: Like i said i would expect him to try to work with me and actually figure me out instead of just being there. Maybe he read me wrong in Guilty game because he didn't. Especially AFTER he made his read i would expect him to try work with me, which he hasn't done. Like yes, he voted for JAT, but he'd have to do that anyways as i said. I don't really count the last post as a towntell either, just because i fakeclaimed in that BitchCraft game as mafia to save Umasi. Onegu was in that game and SURELY was following that game after his death because we -- mafia -- just pushed a lynch on him and he was frustrated he could not convince the town i was mafia. | ||
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On March 17 2015 23:01 Koshi wrote: No. We vote for marv. no we don't. | ||
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I want to lynch mafia. Here, today. The only times i don't really care are when i have surely deduced mafia to a number of players where whoever we lynch does not lose the game for us. This is not the situation here. I think we need Onegu, prplhz, and Eden here. I am not going to lynch marv no matter how much you think he is scum. | ||
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On March 16 2015 05:15 Eden1892 wrote: Damdred is definitely town wtf guys. His check on rsoultin makes perfect sense given the thread direction at EON + his prior feeling that our interactions were weird. Trust me I've read his filter 50 times trying to prove he's mafia and this is all 100% consistent with his check. I think this is a really bad point because the check actually was REALLY badly reasoned as pointed out by me in thread. Like Eden seems to be taking too much things at face value. | ||
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On March 17 2015 23:46 prplhz wrote: like koshi's arguments were just a list of stuff i wrote recently and then he tried to spin it mafia There is one goos point there and that is you don't really take any hard stances when you vote for people. Like you just vote someone, that's how it looks like... | ||
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On March 17 2015 23:54 prplhz wrote: alright about your arguments (1)this game didn't turn out like other games. i also didn't want to directly interact a lot with the same guy because in my last two games i just ended up being angry. so i tried a new approach this game where i just played and then didn't interact so much and honestly i think it's gone pretty alright. at least i didn't get lynched d1. (2)my post about "mysteriously converged on jat" happened after the lynch was sealed iirc. checking it out it came right before he claimed medic, i guess maybe that doesn't look good but what can i say? i think hardly anybody defended him d1 and i thought that was a little weird. (3)about damdred i was confused. i did look into him but found him to be townie enough for whatever reasons i don't remember. i don't think it's fair to expect me to say "i will look into damdred now because of rso night kill" and then blame me for not scum reading damdred. (4)about reading onegu town for vt claim, if you read my filter you will see that i flip flopped on this a lot. i believed it first, then didn't, then in that jokey post i said "if i just believe every simple stupid tell about people then this is where i'm at". (5)i generally want to keep people like you alive d1 but in this game there are tons of people who can single handedly win the game so there's less reason to keep you alive just because of that. (1) fair enough. (2) but here my argument was that what happened between the JAT train start and your post you don't really push your read on JAT. at that point you can't even know if someone is going to defend him or not. If you read my post i i stated you don't really reconsider anything (me, after i have posted explanations to marv's case) and you don't follow up your read on JAT in any way, like it looks like the opposite, that you don't even think he is mafia, from your posting at that time. (3) I would have expected you to explain why Damdred looks town there. Like it's only natural to to tell the reasons if you change your mind. I am not sure i buy this because now you "don't remember". I don't blame you for reading him town, i blame you for looking like you don't actually have any reasons for your read at that time. (4) fair enough (5) I am not sure what you say here is genuine. Like who are those players? marv, Palmar and Koshi, besides me? What if they are all mafia? What if two of them is mafia? What if marv is mafia, i get lynched and Palmar gets shot on N1? Like i don't really think your reasoning adds up here. | ||
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On March 17 2015 23:59 prplhz wrote: really i think koshi's post on me was ridiculous yes for the most parts it is. | ||
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"i didn't want to directly interact a lot with the same guy because in my last two games i just ended up being angry. so i tried a new approach this game where i just played and then didn't interact so much" but that doesn't look like that's what you are doing because "not interacting much" != "not really care" which is what your play imo looks more like. | ||
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On March 18 2015 00:07 Palmar wrote: since 2012 marv has been lynched once after day 1. Let's make history boys. tempting to do that again. but no. i don't think he is scum. | ||
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On March 18 2015 00:12 prplhz wrote: (2) i remember you explained yourself and i remember not being impressed. i kind of follow up my own read? in that damdred tells me that meta thing is WRONG and then i tell him it's NOT! wrong. i don't know why me thinking jat isn't mafia at that point in the game (or at any point in the game) points at me being mafia. if you think i was trying to guide people away from lynching my scumbuddy with a one liner 10 minutes before deadline then you're a little crazy. I mean this: After you vote for me you argue on JAT being mafia in two posts. You don't argue me being mafia at all despite your vote being on me. That makes me think you at least think there is a really decent chance JAT is scum, why else would you "push" an opposing wagon as town? When JAT wagon picks up steam you say these things: On March 11 2015 03:03 prplhz wrote: why justanothertownie what happened to your instinct? On March 11 2015 03:32 prplhz wrote: seriously this is the most nonsense post in the game On March 11 2015 04:52 prplhz wrote: wasn't eden/townpuppy way more useful in titanic mafia? like way way more useful And only then you start arguing why i am a better lynch than JAT is while you even say you don't get the me/Damdred/LS argument at all. It's like: - when rayn is being lynched -> argue why JAT is mafia - when JAT becomes the lynch target -> argue why rayn + Eden are mafia I don't really get that and it doesn't seem natural. | ||
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On March 18 2015 00:25 prplhz wrote: eden's post was ridiculous. why? because the only thing he'd said about jat was "instincts tell me he's town" and the only thing he'd said about damdred was "damdred scum". so why did he suddenly flip around on that with no reason? i pushed him for it but he went "lol not gonna answer" and i decided that was one of the points where i wasn't going to get mad. or i would have gone totally koshi mad on him. you can see i am having a hard time containing myself because i mentioned it twice. that obviously got me worried about eden so i poked rso about it as i read her town and she was also in titanic so maybe she was seeing the same thing i saw. also i think eden was more useful in titanic. i remember thinking "i'll buddy with this guy, he seems alright but not too alright" but then third party SHOT HIM. Yes i can understand why you do say stuff you do. I can't fully understand why you do say the stuff you do when you do it. | ||
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Like yes, he calls Onegu mafia all the time but he then always finds some reason to not vote for Onegu and instead vote for someone else. | ||
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If you do not think prplhz is not mafia then what? You don't seem to be disagreeing with the points i have brought up on Eden. | ||
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On March 18 2015 01:32 Koshi wrote: I just remembered it is DAy 3 and I have not want to lynch rayn. yeah right... | ||
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On March 18 2015 01:38 marvellosity wrote: you do not believe Onegu's 100% soul read then? hahaha | ||
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Koshi goes to my ignore list. This time for real. Like there is no fucking way i am going through this shit ever again. I have tried to be reasonable and play reasonably and i get this shit that makes no fucking sense. Add Eden to that pool if he is not mafia, which he btw is. I will be expecting an apology (except from Koshi, do not bother you asshole) form townies when Onegu wins this game for mafia. | ||
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On March 18 2015 02:33 marvellosity wrote: rayn, are you still reading? I read Onegu's filter and I struggle to see the regard for his own life. Also he jokes around always which I know he finds difficult as mafia. What do you think about that? I don't think anything about that. As i said if i believe all these things there is no mafia in this game. Like there should be no mafia for anyone then. Like what, we are all town? Something has to be not right. | ||
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there is no fucking way i am mafia in this game. i am the only one who has lynched mafia. Koshi could have never pushed that lynch on JAT without me and i would never push JAT if i was scum. NEVER. Like it's so hilarious people even think so, even more hilarious basically EVERYONE agrees.... | ||
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ARE YOU PEOPLE FUCKING STUPID? | ||
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LIKE FUCKING WHAT? SERIOUSLY? | ||
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prplhz could be mafia but i found him genuine today. yes, what you jsut said could make sense. i don't know. Onegu is fucking mafia. Eden is mafia, he has completely dropped off from the game with his vote on me for a REASON THAT DOES NOT EVEN EXIST. Like go read what FF wrote at the time. Oh then Eden just decides to drop off earth and never go back to that when he returns. Convenient much? | ||
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On March 18 2015 03:43 Eden1892 wrote: Keep making shit up, I neither dropped off nor voted you earlier for no reason Yeah i am making shit up here. Obviously because apparently you vote for me for a reason you did say AFTER i made my post. Here: On March 17 2015 02:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Eden why do you read marvellosity town? On March 17 2015 03:41 Eden1892 wrote: i'm not really sure :o inb4 marv gets hella mad at me his filter length is pretty ridiculous even after Imperial. in Imperial marv had 44 pgs in 6 cycles. here he has 41 in just over 2. so that's something On March 17 2015 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: With 213 pages into the game is it seriously that a large portion of your reads is abased on filter lengths and some weird narratives like VT claims? On March 17 2015 04:01 Eden1892 wrote: there's other stuff for marv too like us mindmelding on prplhz earlier (even if i'm not agreeing with that read much anymore), i just cited something that is relatively objectively rooted. me claiming a mindmeld doesn't mean shit for you On March 17 2015 04:01 Eden1892 wrote: ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: raynpelikoneet we should do this today | ||
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On March 18 2015 03:48 Eden1892 wrote: My team rn is prplhz and ray. I think that might explain why prplhz called out JAT but stayed on ray the whole way HAHAHAHAHAHA amagad i can't believe this | ||
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On March 18 2015 03:56 Eden1892 wrote: I don't get what you're trying to say here.... Explain like I'm five cuz sometimes I am five I ask you something. You answer (half-arsedly) I make an argument. You vote for me apparently because of my argument which is legit given you haven't given your full reasoning for marv being town for whatever reason in the first place. | ||
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Because your filter is full of calling everyone except Koshi mafia in this game. | ||
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On March 17 2015 06:15 Eden1892 wrote: The three points I can really remember in no special order: (1) The n1 actions (2) Your questioning doesn't look like it's hunting for mafia but trying to make people look lynchable without regard for their alignment (3) I feel like when you're town, from what I've seen of you, you tend to be more forceful about finding mafia. You were so with JAT d1 which was part of why I townread you before JAT flipped. But I feel like you've dropped off since then and are more complacent, which kinda ties into (2) lo. just fucking lol. take stuff -> say it's scummy -> ggnore | ||
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On March 18 2015 05:18 Fecalfeast wrote: I think this post sounds like frustration at koshi being right but for the wrong reasons. Yeah you wouldn't think that if you read some certain games. | ||
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On March 18 2015 05:30 Fecalfeast wrote: I could vote prplhz but if he's town i blame you guys prplhz and rayn is my mafia team btw Who cares, noone cares about anything Eden says because he is so fucking town.... | ||
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On March 18 2015 05:55 prplhz wrote: but since the plan is onegu->eden->marv we're good. that wasn't the plan was it? | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:02 prplhz wrote: dunno i already said today that the reservation i had about him (eden) was that i didn't see him scum with onegu but then i was convinced otherwise. right now the plan is onegu->eden->marv and i'm fine with that. I thought your plan was Onegu -> marv -> prplhz? | ||
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I am not lynching you. | ||
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If you are right and i am wrong i am terribly sorry but i think i am right here. | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:12 Fecalfeast wrote: Who am i killing now Onegu | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:18 Palmar wrote: Prplhz you're voting with Marv...... Yeah so marv is not in those 2 scum who want him lynched? wtf man? | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:19 prplhz wrote: i'm obviously going to lynch marv today but i doubt rayn is in on that @raynpelikoneet don't you think it's weird that the following happened marv calls me scum for some nonsense point eden and i (both of us he calls scum) say it's complete nonsense marv backs off and makes excuses "> Game is hard." complains about not being "backed up" seriously is this marv town behavior? ever? yes it is. at that point marv read Eden town. His point in retrospect is not nonsense. last 2 points mean nothing. | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:20 prplhz wrote: DID YOU NOT SEE MARV CALL ME SCUM FOR SOME COMPLETE NONSENSE REASON? AND THEN DO THE LEAST ELEGANT BACKTRACK I HAVE EVER SEEN? IF YOU ARE TOWN WHY THE FUCK DOES HE BACKTRACK ON YOU IF HE IS MAFIA? | ||
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There is no reason marv is not lynching you prplhz right now if he is mafia and you are town. | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:24 Palmar wrote: This is the best game ever yeah sure it is if you are scum. this game is fucking frustrating. | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Onegu why is Eden town? | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:27 prplhz wrote: marv does stupid things all the time??????????????? what is this stupid thing you are even referring to? If it is marv calling you out for you wanting to play the game then self-voting then it's not a stupid thing in the first place. | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:36 Koshi wrote: Think people. Are all wagons town? No, Onegu is scum. | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:44 marvellosity wrote: Palmar is town. Eden is mafia. And Onegu. | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:52 prplhz wrote: look at onegu giving a fuck about anything in this game | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:52 Koshi wrote: I LIKE HOW ONEGU HIS MAFIAPARTNER JUST KILLED EDEN when it was 3 on prplhz and 2 on Eden Onegu kills himself if he does not vote with me. Like are you retarded? | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:53 Palmar wrote: Jesus, 27 page filter rayn. This is insane. | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:56 Eden1892 wrote: 4 on me 1 on like everyone else ray I'm not fucking mafia I would never come back and try to push marv like that yeah like i would care a fucking single bit about your ate as you've called me scum the whole game for shit reasons. | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:57 Eden1892 wrote: Oh my fucking god y'all are switching to ONEGU? Y'all really gonna make me lynch a townread to save myself?? yes | ||
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On March 18 2015 07:11 Eden1892 wrote: ... Onegu VOTED FOR ME IF YOU THINK I'M MAFIA WHY DID YOU SWITCH OFF ME? are you just fucking dumb or something? | ||
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On March 18 2015 07:16 marvellosity wrote: the thing in eden's favour is that he's usually quite a happy busser I would expect not to if mafia has to get two mislynches and there was one on a plate. | ||
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Like, he goes from "rayn/prplhz scum" to "marv/prplhz scum", shouldn't prplhz be an obvious lynch to him then? And again, he doesn't really comment on anything that is said in thread and doesn't engage into discussions. He just invents his own ideas and pushes them instead of even listening to anything other people have to say about anything. I don't think that is a townie thing to do at all. | ||
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On March 18 2015 21:32 marvellosity wrote: prplhz did pursue Onegu reasonably aggressively towards EoD. Especially the one which was like "so it's a townseal? you're relentlessly pushing a townseal?" which kinda implies that it's almost cheating. ok cheating is the wrong word - unsportsmanlike. say it wasn't eden, rayn, who would your other options be? do you have any other options? Palamr. | ||
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On March 18 2015 21:35 marvellosity wrote: ok. let me know if you want my feedback on anything. although your opinion > my opinion this game. If you have any opinions on one of Palmar/prplhz/Eden being town then this game should be easy. I feel like prplhz is town. I really liked when he first said "i think i can't counter your case rayn" but still went on and answered me. Although i am a bit sucker for these kinda things as i totally misread Superbia in the Campus Mafia for the same kind of response after making a perfect case on him and having solved the game. | ||
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On March 18 2015 21:38 Palmar wrote: Because LS was going to claim roleblocker and having roleblocked me? Yeah well like what does it matter? I mean like first you treat LS in a jokingly manner but suddenly your attitude totally changes for some reason. | ||
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On March 18 2015 21:47 marvellosity wrote: i also don't believe his responses to your case were particularly townie. like - he has to DO something right? or he just gets lynched. taking time to answer case on yourself is the least he can do. he just appears when people are attacking him. Yes i understand this. That's what mostly bothers me as i said. It is the attitude i find townie. Like usually when i make a case like that on scum people are quite likely to just give up as i DO push my cases and am persuasive in a way or another, let it be yelling the things into oblivion or reasonable arguments. Like if prplhz is mafia here his play this game would be "say some smart things then go unnoticed and hope people don't lynch me" and in my opinion trying to actually explain himself, especially AFTER saying he probably even can't, in a tough spot does not fit to that play given how he usually plays as mafia. Am i reading too much into this? | ||
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On March 18 2015 21:55 marvellosity wrote: I would bet a lot of money that Onegu did not name 3 townies here. well of course he didn't, silly.. | ||
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- I liked his vote on Eden at the start of D2, because i think that is one of the reasons Eden is mafia (the extra information thing). However he doesn't pursue it. Why? Like he clearly thinks that was the case, why does he drop it? - I also liked when he tried to make you work with him on D3. I found that out to come as natural and reasonable. But again, when people actually start doing shit (mainly when prplhz comes back to the thread) he goes back to just saying "marv is scum" or whatever dumb stuff that doesn't really help. | ||
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On March 18 2015 22:42 marvellosity wrote: So I remember saying before that I didn't look like how Eden treated jat day 1 looked very bussy. If Eden is mafia, then it was bussy. What do you think of that? Or is the argument that Eden likes to bus but did it early, and tried to lynch ritoky with jat? Eden is a busser. He basically did nothing but bussed SL in the PM game awhile ago. I don't know what you mean with the last sentence? | ||
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On March 18 2015 22:45 marvellosity wrote: The last sentence is just the narrative - Eden buses jat early, then tries to lynch ritoky late in the day when jat did. Yes it makes sense to me. Correct me if i am wrong but when JAT became the leading wagon and started playing and shouting things there were people who were considering ritoky as a possible lynch. My interpretation is that mafia realized there is a chance ritoky can be lynched instead of JAT. Onegu most likely can't do shit about it. So it has to be JAT and Eden who push the lynch because JAT can't do that alone at least if Eden is on JAT wagon. The situation is different from the PM game where Eden and SL were pretty much the only viable wagons on D1, there is nothing to do there but bus (and Eden in that game started bussing when i had made a big fucking case on SL and Koshi on Eden -- like it's really easy to deduce there is nothing you can do to avoid mafia being lynched). Like i know this is irrelevant to Eden's alignment if i have incorrectly read the situation on D1 but i do remember going even harder on JAT because i feared there is a chance people pile up on ritoky instead. Maybe i need to recheck that too. | ||
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ritoky is probably town on further reflection. There seemed to be a brief window where the lynch was in question, with ray, ritoky and JAT as the three wagons. JAT was very animated about getting people who weren't committed against him or ray to vote for ritoky over him. I think it was Koshi who called it the "time when JAT had hope" of not being lynched, and he spent an awful lot of it trying to get ritoky lynched. The catch here is that JAT is the better scumsided player compared to ritoky pretty easily, and I'd think that in most cases a given scumteam would rather sac ritoky to save JAT than the reverse. (No offense ritoky, it's not that you're bad, it's that JAT has arguably the best scumside game of anyone currently active on TL Mafia.) So JAT busing isn't out of the question. And it's not like ritoky has played a scintillating obvtown game either. But the reason this is more likely town is simple - if the mafia team had decided to bus (which, if they're both mafia, JAT pushing ritoky hard = bus), why didn't ritoky push to get JAT lynched? It's too glaring an inconsistency to ignore, so I think ritoky is probably town. As i said, this looks like Eden is giving all the reasons for ritoky be mafia, then ends up in conclusion that "ritoky is town". | ||
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On March 18 2015 23:03 marvellosity wrote: had this post typed up about what Onegu was doing and I deleted it. Really hard to make something out of a bus happy filter from a bus happy player. Did he just bus everyone? Was his last minute voting on Eden an opportunistic play to save the mafia (prplhz) that he'd been bussing all day? Or was he just going for the sweet, sweet endgame play? I really can't tell I don't really bank on these kinda things tbh. Just because i think it's really BS, as you can't actually know what mafia thinks at certain point of the game, to use something some scum said against another player as there is no way for them to defend against it. | ||
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On March 18 2015 23:07 marvellosity wrote: Surely the last two sentences explain why he is invalidating the rest of his theory? No? "The catch here is that JAT is the better scumsided player compared to ritoky pretty easily, and I'd think that in most cases a given scumteam would rather sac ritoky to save JAT than the reverse." "if the mafia team had decided to bus (which, if they're both mafia, JAT pushing ritoky hard = bus), why didn't ritoky push to get JAT lynched?" | ||
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On March 18 2015 23:11 marvellosity wrote: he's saying that the inconsistency that he thought made ritoky town was the fact that ritoky didn't bus jat back I am not sure i understand properly. Isn't he saying JAT is a better scumplayer than ritoky, therefore it makes sense ritoky being bussed in this instance. Then he wonders why ritoky didn't bus back? Like the first sentence is the explanation why ritoky did not bus back, because it is one more vote on JAT who is the other wagon. If mafia wanted to bus ritoky to death in order to save JAT why would ritoky vote for JAT? | ||
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But the thought process he had should imo end up in the opposite conclusion as: - He gaves all the reasons why ritoky would NOT vote for JAT if he is mafia - ritoky not voting for JAT makes him town?!?!? | ||
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On March 18 2015 23:20 marvellosity wrote: yeah. kinda ironic also, because the reason I pushed for ritoky d2 is that he didn't vote for jat when he should have. yes. | ||
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Vote Count: ritoky (7): marvellosity, LightningStrike, Koshi, raynpelikoneet, Damdred, Eden1892, prplhz prplhz (2): Onegu, ritoky raynpelikoneet (1): Palmar Currently ritoky is set to be disciplined! | ||
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On March 18 2015 23:34 marvellosity wrote: I just got to his vote on his filter. It was a "fuck it, no-one is listening to me" vote. So maybe that's plausible? I did notice that Eden didn't once address the points I brought against ritoky. Like sure they were wrong (in the end) but surely they were worth addressing (especially given Eden's previous comments about ritoky). Does Eden look like a "fuck it noone is listening to me" kinda guy based on his play? | ||
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And i know this type of play, if you are town you'd rather lynch yourself over someone you think is town just to show people they are bad regardless of if you are right or wrong. Like all the elements are there. But the final stance is missing. | ||
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On March 17 2015 01:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Eden: This is from his D1 reads. I don't agree with it at all. I don't think he evfer explains why prplhz seems "productive", especially more productive than he was in Titanic. Elaboration would be nice. The answer is not "because he questioned my vote on JAT" because that post was obviously questionable. Meh, Eden actually tried real hard to get ritokyl lynched with his scumread JAT. I don't really how he goes from JAT being his top scumread to ritoky on D1. Because of something JAT said? There should be quite much natural resistance against when your top scumread makes a case on someone upon being lynched. Unless the case is really good, which clearly was not the point here as the case was "ritoky is not playing". I don't think that is a good enough case to trust in Eden's situation here, as itis an obvious case to make for mafia!JAT. I also do not understand how Eden goes from "ritoky is the best lynch, if not D1 i am lynching him D2" into "I'm not bragging on JAT cause I wavered but I am totally pushing my credit for Damdred if he flips scum. We should sheep my case on him tomorrow" into -> "Damdred is my best pick. After that it's probably Onegu. That's all I got right now". ... Like i know ritoky was town and all that shit but this is just not natural. Because either Eden (from town perspective) didn't give a fuck if he lynches a townie or mafia on D1 if he thinks exactly one of JAT/ritoky is scum, or he thought both of them are scum, which makes this even more scummy. Furthermore in his reads list on N1 he gives all the reasons for ritoky to be mafia in this instance, and ends up in a conclusion "ritoky is town"?!?!?! I still don't like his reaction to Palmar's vigi claim. Maybe i am wrong on this and it does not mean anything but i have seen manyu times scum say something to give out they have extra information they should not. Two examples: - that game where i claimed masons with SL's scumbuddy. After the reaction i got i was like "yeah these two guys are definitely mafia together" but than i was retarded and dumped it because it sounded too easy. - one game where i claimed mafia had tried to see if i was their traitor (in the game if mafia incorrectly guesses who the traitor is that townie will know mafia has tried to guess them), i got "lol they did not guess you" -> ezpz traitor read, dumb town never lynched him obviously... I don't know if i am reading too much into this and it bothers me because i KNOW i have been right on this kinda stuff before. But everyone seems to be disagreeing with me as "rsoultin was Eden's top town read yadda yadda" whatever he gave as an explanation. I just do not see why he would make that post, ever, as town. At some point on D2 he goes from hardcore scumreading Damdred and Onegu to this: I don't even know why?? He never explains why Damdred is no more mafia. He never explains why Onegu is no more mafia, he just "doesn't even care about Onegu" anymore. Maybe it's the dumb VT claim, which, again, has been there for fucking ages. Well okay, he explains them later. So Damdred did this AtE thing and Onegu claimed VT. rofl. Those things are really easy to do as mafia, rage, or write some words. Fuck i don't know, maybe Eden iss town after all it seems consistent with his line of thinking during the game regarding other things.... idk, someone help me out here? I really don't know what to think of this. This kinda reminds me of myself when i started playing mafia but way worse. It seems like Eden does shit for no reason and changes his mind for no reason. I know he is a hardcore busser. So he probably has balls to say whatever shit he evercomes up with as mafia. I don't care about meta here, i want to understand why Eden does these things if he is town because i refuse just believe someone is incapable of doing irrational things as mafia.... answer please. that being said i am going to shop for groceries. be right back. marv i recommend: https://soundcloud.com/mikhail-garrievitch-soumar/ | ||
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I could not care less about what you usually do as town or as mafia. I see inconsistencies in your play and i want you to explain them with something else than "i don't do that as mafia". I want you to tell why you say the stuff you do in this game because it doesn't make any fucking sense to me why you go from one place to another unless you are scum. So please, if you are town, do that. | ||
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On March 19 2015 01:20 Palmar wrote: There is no way this town loses for being lazy rayn, stop being overdramatic. I know something about town losing because lazy. I felt it pretty hard in Desert Mini where yamato decided to fuck off for three days, then Snodude decided he would not read anything any more and that yamato is mafia and then Onegu just coasted to victory. Or the Golden Sun game where Oats just decided to not play the game and call something retarded mafia so i had to vote for him because he would never change his vote and the only way for me to win the game was to believe he was mafia. | ||
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On March 17 2015 07:01 Palmar wrote: Also, I don't want to kill onegu unless I'm sure, because I know if I don't hit mafia today, I'm 100% fucked because of massive lynch inertia. I, more than anyone else, need a mafia lynch today. and i don't think you cared that much about lynching mafia. | ||
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On March 19 2015 02:14 Palmar wrote: I talk to marv somewhat differently than most other people. He'll tell you that what I was doing was a fairly normal attempting to read him while slowly talking myself in one way or the other. Also, you know I don't make associative reads, or at least not in the way you're implying I should have. My main point is i never got the feeling you were trying to convince the rest of the people marv is mafia, only him. | ||
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On March 19 2015 02:32 marvellosity wrote: if you were never certain on me, why didn't you vote Onegu ;( this | ||
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On March 19 2015 02:40 Palmar wrote: I think I asked this yesterday. Is there ANYONE in the thread that thought Onegu was town? Isn't it absolutely clear that whoever Onegu's partner is, bussed him? Did you see how much resistance there was regarding lynching Onegu? Even when you count Koshi out. There were wagons on prplhz, marv and Eden (even me). Like i don't understand how you can even come to that conclusion. | ||
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On March 19 2015 02:44 Palmar wrote: sure, but just about everyone on those alternate wagons was all like "yeah but Onegu is probably mafia too". He was being actively called mafia by his partner, whether or not his partner voted for him I don't know. If I am mafia here rayn, do you think I actually thought marv was going to be lynched when the Eden wagon disintegrated and I went back to marv? no, probably not but what does it matter? Like you do not gain any credit for voting Onegu at that point if you are mafia because you have been pushing everything else the whole day anyways... | ||
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On March 19 2015 03:03 Palmar wrote: It's a possibility. I think it's less likely than I thought it was yesterday. The how does it make sense you say "i thought two people are scum, Onegu and marv and i pushed the "wrong" one" if your original assumption is they could very well be scum together? | ||
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On March 19 2015 03:11 Palmar wrote: Well one of them is confirmed mafia, and the other one is now less likely to be mafia than I previously thought. Why this? Like you literally give no implication of "if one of them is mafia the other one is not". Why does this apply now? | ||
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On March 19 2015 03:23 Palmar wrote: My filter. Page 29. First three posts on page. I'd quote them for you but while of course it matters somewhat. Onegu flipping doesn't really have much to do with what I think of Marv On March 19 2015 03:24 Palmar wrote: Eh that was a confusing post. I'm on phone will talk later. But I think you' get the idea yeah it was. it doesn't really say anything to me. I don't get the idea. | ||
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On March 10 2015 00:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes. I am the sexiest. Or maybe marv. | ||
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On March 19 2015 03:56 Eden1892 wrote: Ray what exactly do/did you need explained? Marv too. I know the ritoky thing is one. What else? My post you answered already. I don't buy it. Your answer to me reads like "i don't do these things as scum, only as town" which does not really say why you did those things in this game. Also who is mafia and why? | ||
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On March 19 2015 03:56 Eden1892 wrote: Also marv just cuz Onegu is a busser doesn't mean he always busses. I will need to look at his past games but I've seen Onegu be mafia once or twice before. I don't remember him bussing a partner the whole time and not ever doing anything else. I am not sure where you (or marv) are getting with this but: Onegu bussed (similar to JAT in this game on D1) batsnacks quite hardcore in his last mafia game. | ||
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- why do you give reasons for ritoky to be mafia with JAT then read him town? - why did you want to lynch ritoky on D1 with your scumread JAT? - why do you instantly vote for Palmar for his claim on D2? - On D2 you HC scumread Damdred and Onegu, then you go to Palmar + marv being mafia. Why? - also what marv asked you | ||
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On March 19 2015 04:28 Eden1892 wrote: marv is arguing Onegu busses hard and thus that I shouldn't just assume prplhz is town. I need to look at his previous games and see for myself, I guess. It just seems counterintuitive that someone would bus as hard as Onegu did unnecessarily. but i want to talk about this. why was i mafia at some point if this is what you think? | ||
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On March 19 2015 04:37 Eden1892 wrote: In order:
(1) well you did. you should probably read your own post about it again if you feel like you didn't and explain it. (2) ehhh... i don't think this is a good reason. like you are basically saying you didn't care to lynch the person who is most likely to be mafia on D1.. (3) Yeah ofc you don't. I don't care about it. I care about the fact your initial response seemed like you knew Palmar is lying which you cannot know unless you know Palmar is lying which again, you cannot know unless you are mafia and killed rsoultin. Like i don't see why a townie makes this joke. (4) you did: On March 13 2015 13:39 Eden1892 wrote: This guy is very likely mafia too fwiw. I am very clearly trying to figure the game out and I'm being incredibly detailed by my own standards in laying out my arguments. What was weird about my reaction to either claim? Be specific. Why don't you see Damdred as mafia? What's weak about my case on Damdred? Do you disagree that Damdred isn't trying to solve the game, and if so, why do you disagree? If you agree, why do you think that isn't alignment-indicative? Again, specifics. What reads did I drop to pick up later, and what is suspicious about doing so? On March 13 2015 13:42 Eden1892 wrote: ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: Onegu Slipping in 2 consecutive posts is pretty impressive On March 13 2015 13:48 Eden1892 wrote: ...how is it not? You literally were scumreading me because you thought my case on Damdred was bad and Damdred wasn't mafia. Said literally "I can't see Damdred as mafia." Then the NEXT DAMN POST you say "I could see Damdred as mafia." How do you even do that as town? after this you go to: On March 13 2015 13:58 Eden1892 wrote: ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: Damdred I don't even care about Onegu anymore whatever. This game is ass. and after this you go to something else.... (5) ok | ||
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On March 18 2015 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: No? "The catch here is that JAT is the better scumsided player compared to ritoky pretty easily, and I'd think that in most cases a given scumteam would rather sac ritoky to save JAT than the reverse." "if the mafia team had decided to bus (which, if they're both mafia, JAT pushing ritoky hard = bus), why didn't ritoky push to get JAT lynched?" On March 18 2015 23:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not sure i understand properly. Isn't he saying JAT is a better scumplayer than ritoky, therefore it makes sense ritoky being bussed in this instance. Then he wonders why ritoky didn't bus back? Like the first sentence is the explanation why ritoky did not bus back, because it is one more vote on JAT who is the other wagon. If mafia wanted to bus ritoky to death in order to save JAT why would ritoky vote for JAT? On March 18 2015 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i know Eden ended up in the right conclusion -> "ritoky is town". But the thought process he had should imo end up in the opposite conclusion as: - He gaves all the reasons why ritoky would NOT vote for JAT if he is mafia - ritoky not voting for JAT makes him town?!?!? | ||
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On March 19 2015 05:18 Eden1892 wrote: I said this in my first response. I think ritoky would vote for JAT if he were mafia because I think it would be a more plausible bus if it were a two-sided bus instead of one-sided. It makes the distancing greater should one of them flip scum. You might not agree, but that's where I was coming from on that. I understand that. What i don't understand is that you directly contradict this in the post you made. Not verbally but silently. Like everything behind the words says otherwise while you don't clearly say so. | ||
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On March 19 2015 05:30 Eden1892 wrote: By the way: Onegu's reputation as a hardcore busser is greatly exaggerated. There are 2 mafia games for Onegu in the database since the start of 2014. They are Neat and Tidy Mini Mafia and Hammertime Mafia. (Links are to his filters.) He had two partners - Mages and batsnacks - in Neat&Tidy, one partner (Robik) in Hammertime. The hardcore busing of batsnacks is well-documented here. What's not is that Onegu sorta-townread his other teammate that game and hardcore townread Robik in the other one. People are citing one example out of three as evidence that Onegu is a hardcore busser. It just isn't backed up by the recent data. The only reasonable conclusion to be made from Onegu's recent mafia games is that it is inconclusive as to whether or not Onegu buses frequently. I am not sure who are these people who are using the things you claim here against anyone or however they have anything to do with anything? | ||
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On March 19 2015 05:31 Eden1892 wrote: Er, tell me if I have this right, because I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying that the way I structured that read seems to indicate that I think (or should think) ritoky is mafia? yes. | ||
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On March 19 2015 05:37 Eden1892 wrote: That's odd since you explicitly commented on Onegu busing bats earlier. You don't remember doing this? It was earlier today... I argued prplhz is strong town because Onegu spent the whole time he cared to play trying to kill him. marv said that was bad because Onegu is a hardcore busser. I went to research Onegu's games to see if this held up. It doesn't (imo). I swear I mentioned I would do this not an hour ago lol Yes i know i said that. I don't however think that has anything to do with anything, it only shows Onegu CAN bus, as you state. You also stated Onegu tried to "kill prplhz". Now let's assume prplhz is mafia; is Onegu really a person in this game to push that lynch like ever? The two people in this game alive on D3 i find out to be "unlikely to be pushing anything if mafia" are prplhz and Onegu. Because well... they are unlikely to succeed and more likely to just go with the flow whatever it is. | ||
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On March 19 2015 05:42 Eden1892 wrote: Errrr how did this guy know there was a godfather in the game...??????? This was start of d2 ooooh good question | ||
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On March 19 2015 05:47 Palmar wrote: I couldn't be happier if prplhz was mafia. then we can both call marv really bad based on D1 stuff | ||
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On March 19 2015 05:48 Koshi wrote: and I can show face again. awww <3 Koshi. | ||
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On March 19 2015 06:47 marvellosity wrote: I love a good love story marvellosity my deepest love. i hated you so much on D1. so very much. you broke my heart, totes all those things i did they were not bad they were with good intention yet you chose to rape me with your words it was not nice of you it was not nice of Palmar either snowangel | ||
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On March 19 2015 06:51 marvellosity wrote: can we have the followup where we made up and lynched scum? then you saw the light while being in the dark for some time for some time again for some time we did go into our deepest mysteries and we were bad oh so bad but in the end we prevailed we figured out our love is the one that stands snowangel | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:14 Palmar wrote: You're not confirmed so you have to explain why you think I'm mafia. If I am mafia there is something in my filter that makes me mafia and you have to find it. it is you or eden. eden played it out nice. you didn't. | ||
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On March 20 2015 03:28 Eden1892 wrote: Y'know, Koshi was awful eager to lynch marv d3 for having a green check on him. Why does this mean anything? There was a likely gf/framer in the game. | ||
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But it seems like he wouldn't want to switch off me and onto Onegu. I probably need to look at when he moved to Onegu to figure it out, because my recollection was that Fecalfeast moved first, marv moved second, then ray. I can't believe you actually believe this. | ||
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On March 20 2015 04:01 Eden1892 wrote: I don't think it's obvious. Why do you? You're apparently completely unconvinced by Palmar's town case, why don't you show me why? And how am I being a jackass? What would you do differently in my situation? Lynch the obvious target who seems really townie and then shrug your shoulders, get mislynched next day and lose the game for your team? At least you should not lynch the people who look townier than your "really townie guy". | ||
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On March 20 2015 04:04 Eden1892 wrote: No marv, I'm taking Palmar off the table completely until someone shows me why his town case is bad. If someone does it, then I can switch back. But I am convinced by Palmar's town case. I am not trying to leave it open for a lynch later. Here is why i am town. I have been pushing mafia all fucking game. I wanted to lynch Onegu on D2 and only sheeped marv because people didn't want to lynch Onegu in the end. You can argue all the way you want how i decided to bus my team from the start of the game if you like to. So please just go ahead and flip scum or make a fucking fool out of yourself if you don't. | ||
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On March 20 2015 04:17 Eden1892 wrote: So let's go. ray, you said on d2 that you were going to lynch Onegu, but you switched because no one was listening. Why is it that you never voted for Onegu d2 then? I did. | ||
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On March 20 2015 04:24 Eden1892 wrote: Why did you sheep marv onto someone you had made a strong town case for??? because i can be wrong and he can be right. | ||
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On March 20 2015 05:14 Eden1892 wrote: Why aren't you? I will explain why I'm not after you explain why you aren't (unless you are...) that's not really how it works. | ||
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On March 20 2015 23:54 marvellosity wrote: or let's put it another way you have 3 players 2 are going nuts proposing and doing all kinds of weird shit 1 isn't which is mafia? etc I am not sure if you are calling me mafia here or what? What am i supposed to say? I am not going to make up some shit like Palmar (his towncase on himself is explaining why he has called townies mafia?!?!?! -- like who cares?). I have done what i have done in this game, iknow one of Palmar / Eden HAS to be scum. There is nothing i need to say. | ||
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FUCKING LOGIC! Like i fucking hate playing mafia right now. I might need a break. | ||
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##vote raynpelikoneet i am done. do it then fuckers. i hope mafia wins. | ||
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And i am going to policy lynch the best player in the game every game so people don't need to be paranoid. | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:48 Palmar wrote: ##unvote ##vote rayn I'd actually like to see him try. I am not sure why i need to try. I have solved this game to the point i don't need to. It's a bit hypocritical to say "rayn needs to try" when in fact i have tried ALL THE GAME way more than anyone else. I have been under suspicion all the game and i have turned it against lynching mafia. Yes, that is a fact. Like get rekt if you are town. You have not tried, and trying now, when you are one of the two suspects doesn't count anything to me because it looks like you don't give a fuck, except for not getting lynched. Every scum does that, so i don't care. Like literally, at this point you and Eden "trying" does not mean anything, you can't even fucking make a case on why i am mafia.... There are three possibilities here: (1) town is retarded and lynches me, then gets it right the next day (2) town is really retarded and lynches me, then gets it wrong the next day (3) town is smart and lynches into you and Eden. I don't have to try. I have already solved the game to the point where town can't lose. If they are not retarded. If they are retarded, well... that's not on me, it's on them. Of course the one of you and Eden who is scum make everything they can to not get lynched. WHY WOULDN'T YOU? Because you lose the game if you don't. One of you is stupid for not realizing the obvious, one of you is mafia. It really is that simple. | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:02 Palmar wrote: It's always on you if you get lynched. No it is not, not this time. I can't possibly have played better in this game except for lynching mafia on D2. | ||
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4) I was sure Onegu wasn't scum, rayn was sure he was scum. rayn changed to Eden, if he wanted to get the Onegu kred from the start, why would he waver for a second? Just to go back a bit later? It's unlikely this is mafia behaviour. I was not sure which one of Eden/prplhz was the other scum. Then prplhz looked town. I was sure Onegu and Eden were both mafia, i switched because everyone else switched. | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:07 marvellosity wrote: 2) still doesn't address the core point of 2, leaving alive the claimed doc who just lynched mafia. it doesn't matter who was killed instead :/ Don't be stupid, did you actually believe i was the doc? | ||
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I am not mafia, i don't know why i was not shot on N1. It is really BS to say ask me "why are you alive" when i can't psosibly have any explanation for it. | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:14 marvellosity wrote: Doing nothing on the jat lynch was perfect. I did nothing because I did not need to do nothing. I supported the Onegu lynch most of the time and then killed him when it mattered. none of this is bad at all. it's actually rather good. And if i had done nothing neither of those people would have been lynched... But hey i am still mafia. | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:18 Palmar wrote: quite the contrary. I understand your frustration, but in essence there is no difference between the effort levels you and I have put into the game, you've just been right a bit more. That is not right Palmar. That is just not fucking right. | ||
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If anyone thinks i have not actively been trying to figure out the game here you are just fucking idiots who can't tell why people say the stuff they do. Even in GoT game when my scumbuddies were being lynched i just afk'd and bussed them (Vivax and yamato) because i didn't have to do anything and i couldn't do anything. You guys have been trying to lynch townies since D1 and i think i have been the SOLE person to set this game onto the right track. Even on D3 i tried to figure out which one of Eden & prplhz is mafia, why the fuck would i even care if i am "set on bussing Onegu". The answer is I WOULD NOT, BECAUSE I CAN'T MAKE MYSELF CARE. I just can't, look at any fuckign game i have played as mafia. I can't make myself care after D1. I can look good on D1, and i usually do, then i just don't care and go for easy shit. Does it look i haven't cared in this game? This is fucking ridiculous i even have to make posts like this-. | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:28 Eden1892 wrote: That's not true. I have repeatedly asked you about your Onegu read d2 and d3. You said you "pushed him" d2 but you never once vote him. You waffled on him d2 in fact. You claim you sheeped marv onto ritoky d2 but you were tr'ing ritoky and you never discussed the difference in reads with marv, you just ditched your tr without explanation and voted him. All of these are suspicious things you actually did. Things you can answer for. Things you refused to answer for when I pressed you before. Maybe now you'll answer for them? I told marv many times i want to lynch Onegu. I told you this before. I sheeped marv in the end. Like what do you want me to explain, it's that fucking simple. Maybe you can explain all the suspicious things i have asked you to explain what you have never bothered to touch even with a long stick. Hypocrite. | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:48 Eden1892 wrote: Lol you will regret this so so much. I give you one chance to take this back if you're town cuz you just buried yourself otherwise no. | ||
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On March 21 2015 02:00 Palmar wrote: rayn how convinced are you that I'm not mafia? 100%. Eden is mafia. | ||
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On March 21 2015 02:22 Eden1892 wrote: Wait. I got a way to solve this game. Koshi check me tonight. Don't lynch me today. I really wish you not lynch Palmar but it is IMPERATIVE I be allowed to live to be checked. I will check green and we will all be ok scumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscum!!!!!"! | ||
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On March 21 2015 02:31 Eden1892 wrote: No I am serious. I got a foolproof way of handling it. I can't explain why or the mafia will be able to game it. Also it depends on me being town so you kinda just have to believe me on this. But it is brilliant. I will even write it down in a QT to myself to share later. It is that good. So you are claiming medic right? | ||
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On March 21 2015 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Are you claiming medic Eden? | ||
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On March 21 2015 02:43 Eden1892 wrote: No I am not claiming medic so what's your super plan to win the game? | ||
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This is a super-weak argument. It's also super-weak you bring it up now. Do you even realize i was the person mainly behind the JAT lynch? | ||
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On March 24 2015 00:17 marvellosity wrote: I can help you with your case on rayn. Not whether I believe it or not. Further things (on top of the things I mentioned before) that I found odd, and haven't really been expanded on that much. (1) Remember when Koshi got mad that rayn wouldn't clarify his claim, and claimed himself? And rayn still wouldn't clarify forever, before finally claiming VT. But it went on for ages, and the thread was turning to shit. If you're actually VT, the right play is to simply put your hands up much sooner and say "ok ok, i'm VT, I fakeclaimed to secure the lynch", rather than drag it out for so long. (2) rayn went from voting you at the start of yesterday to being "absolutely convinced" that Eden was mafia. I don't believe it was in any way possible to be convinced that Eden was mafia. In fact I afked from the thread because I knew I'd just double guess myself constantly, and my vote would be moving around on a whim. (that's why i appeared at deadline almost exactly). (3) It's actually the correct mafia play to appear certain that one person is mafia, so it doesn't look like you're hedging. I just don't think it was warranted that Eden was definitely mafia yesterday, at all. (1) I made the correcty play and Koshi ruined it. Well in hindsight he didn't ruin it as he was not the veteran but a cop, but i made the correct play as town and i stand by it. You are wrong here marv. (2) Yes i was convinced Eden is mafia. Why wouldn't i be? Palmar was seemingly trying to figure out who is scum, Eden just called everyone mafia without any logic. I thought he was scum and Palmar was town. (3) See (2). I call people who i think are mafia mafia. It is simple. | ||
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On March 23 2015 20:45 prplhz wrote: meh. i've been through a bunch of palmar scum games and he doesn't really poke at his team mates like he did at jat. he simply does not call them scum until wayyyyy later into the game. i don't know, maybe he doesn't want to start fighting with his team early on when he can just... not do that. i read all back to the one with giggletummy and vivax and ... darthpunk? palmar just doesn't really call his team mates scum. this is kind of just confirming palmar's first point in his town case.. however palmar has been somewhat useless this game, only good point is the one on onegu but then he neither voted or pushed onegu at all. at the same time, rayn didn't really push any of his team mates. it was him or jat on d1 so duh and he never really wanted to lynch onegu, pushing eden that day. objectively rayn has been a lot more useful for town though but i guess this is pretty obvious. like, d1 lynch was koshi and a bit of rayn. d2 lynch was everybody piling on pickles. d3 was last minute wtf sheep FF. d4 was everybody getting rid of eden because he had gone off the deep end. anyway i'm pretty confused. my brain says palmar but my heart says rayn. Jesus christ prplhz, you kinda need to read the game again if you think this is true... | ||
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I thought they were both mafia near the end D3. I had been pushing Onegu all day long. I had been figuring out which of you two (you and Eden) is the other scum. I came to a conclusion that it's Eden. Then marv switched. I followed him because i didn't think i could get Onegu lynched if i did not have him there too and Koshi was voting for prplhz and i don't even know where everyone else was at that time. | ||
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meh... this game... If i get lynched for lynching scum it has to be worth of some sort of nomination. | ||
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Seems like you guys are waffling around and not voting for Palmar. So is there something i need to say? | ||
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On March 24 2015 02:40 Palmar wrote: You could try "I'm not mafia rayn". Seems to be sort of working for me well gg anyways man you know and i know. we know both of us definitely know your snowangel | ||
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On March 24 2015 03:27 prplhz wrote: unvoting is essentially voting palmar so no, not really >_< well he is scum so... | ||
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On March 24 2015 03:59 prplhz wrote: well i still think how you voted jat and said "defo mafia" and then went on to push LS for some completely weird shit is sketchy I never did that? | ||
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On March 12 2015 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is no way we are lynching Eden. We are lynching justanothertownie. JAT There are three simple reasons for JAT being mafia. (1) Koshi's post where he says "jat doesn't give that sort of townreads". This is true, asbolutely true. JAT as town is paranoid as fuck and basically NEVER townreads people for that little. Never. (2) JAT is sorta defending me but never tries to find an alternative lynch. Go read his filter, does it look like he actually wants to lynch someone? Like this post: is closest to a scumread he has given in this game. Which brings me to: (3) He isn't actually doing anything. Like, he isn't pushing anything, he isn't giving any reads or thought processes on things. He is just fucking here. Lynch with fire. Onegu I totally retract my townread on Onegu for various reasons. I originally read him as town because i thought as mafia he would give a read on me quite early in the game. I understand i have looked scummy to people (well mainly to marv and rsoultin, others are/were just sheeples), Onegu -- as town -- if he thought i am town would counter people. But he isn't. Still he gives me a townread a bit later on. tbh, if he reads me as scum he is 100% mafia, but still, his reasoning is crap crappy crap. It doesn't even mean anything like marv mentioned because yes, i do those things as either alignment. My conclusion here is the same as JAT point (2) -- Onegu does not want to call me mafia but doesn't want to actually defend me either (or find an alternative lynch). Onegu WOULD defend me HARDCORE in case he was town, i am 99% sure of that. ritoky He is just useless. So very useless and i don't understand why anyone would want to join a game they are posting a lot but only posting entirely useless things. As for my townreads: marv, Koshi, rsoultin, Eden, Damdred. I don't think the first three need alot of explanation but if someone wants me to explain just ask. - Eden is town!!! Do not lynch him! The difference in him defending me is that he actually wanted to lynch other people, mainly JAT, who is fucking mafia. From what i read he trusts his tonereads and that was the main reason for him to defend me. Well yeah, while he is wrong (there is no tonereading regarding me)that doesn't make him scum, especially when he is actively trying to figure out the game in the meantime. The latest of his posts read very genuine to me and i think his argument Damdred is accusing him of (not answering him and blabla) he is definitely right on and Damdred is not. I also really like him because he has said many things i have actually meant when other people make something dumb out of it. - Damdred's posting has gotten way better since early game when he was only talking about me. I still don't believe he genuinely has other reasons to think i am mafia than to sheep marv. I also don't think he is scum for it after thinking it over. I don't even wanna touch the LS argument between me and Damdred again because while i still do not understand where i was wrong if several people think this way i probably read something wrong and i don't wanna go LS posting from some other game again. meh idk.. Maybe just add purplehaze here. I personally do not think he is town jsut because he is not like "super good" and imo doesn't say anything good enough to townread him (i still stand behind my point he played a really good D1 in Titanic). But i am going to trust marv here. At least until his posting goes from "good enough" to "superbad", which it probably will if he is scum. I have no idea what Palmar is doing and i hate it 100%, but i also know he is dick enough to do what he does now as town. I don't like him because he is calling me mafia and i feel like he is trying to antagonize me which is what he ALWAYS does as mafia, in every single game. Anyways he is nowhere near as scummy as the three red reads. I don't really read LightningStirke's posts. I don't want to argue with/about him right now because it takes effort and PoE says he is not mafia. This game has been really hard for me because nothing happened at the start of the game. I tried to get something started and apparently it failed miserably. Then the situation evolved to the point where marv makes a case on me and noone talks about anything but me -- and even here, none of the people who voted for me and are not marv even fucking said anything (except for rsoultin so huge props for her about that) for reals. I usually work by process of elimination but in this game it has been impossible for me to do so, just because noone talks (until now). So i took a workday off from posting (while i did read how much i could), worked with the opposite of PoE, and here i am. We need to murder justanothertownie with fire because he is mafia. Please. Go read my posts after this one prplhz and come tell me i pushed LS. I NEVER did. NEVER. | ||
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On March 24 2015 05:28 prplhz wrote: well yes that's obviously what you would think but that's not what i'm seeing. i just think it looks like you were under a bit of pressure and then you buddied up a bit to koshi but then you went on a massive derailment against LS and damdred that i don't think looked like anything. i thought this since the beginning and it's still nagging me.. I am genuinely puzzled because htat is not what i ever did and i can't see how you conclude this. | ||
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On March 24 2015 05:41 prplhz wrote: i can't find rayn doing anything remotely as bussy as this in other scum games either. so whoever of you is scum pushed his team uncharacteristically much. and then i think it looks more like rayn because i just think that when they have to lynch into their team, scum are more conscious about it and about taking some credit for it. i also think this jat push/dodge thing looks sketchy. i can't help it it just looks so sketchy. yeah like Palmar who didn't do any of this... rofl. | ||
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On March 24 2015 05:51 prplhz wrote: i'm really not lynching you for being right. palmar was also right on both jat and onegu. yeah right. easily proven by him not voting any of them until they were already lynched-. | ||
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On March 24 2015 06:44 prplhz wrote: marv just wanted me to choose so he wouldn't take the blame, now he's been convinced it's rayn and is going for the credit you get the anti-credit for this. | ||
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I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WAS HERE? BECAUSE I AM SO FUCKING GOOD OF A SCUMPLAYER I DESERVE TO BE LYNCHED EVEN WHEN I AM TOWN FOR LYNCHING SCUM?!?!?! | ||
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I don't give any fucks losing as mafia. I give any fucks losing as town. I give a HIGH amount of fucks LOSING AS TOWN IN A FUCKING LYLO WHEN I HAVE LEAD THE LYCNHES OF ALL MAFIA INT HIS FUCKIN GSTUPID SHIT GAME AND SOME RETARDS WANT TO LYNCH ME! | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:05 Koshi wrote: K. I don't even know how rayn was mafia. And not does anyone else in this game either. | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:05 Eden1892 wrote: literally i just posted how koshi r o f l m a o we did it boys!!!! You were literally the worst player in this game. | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:08 Eden1892 wrote: so bad i caught you when everyone else in the thread wanted me or palmar You never caught me. | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:10 Damdred wrote: Eden played decently though, even if he got lynched this is the reason i am not playing any more. there is no logic. | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:13 Damdred wrote: You can play well, you can have the game solved and you can get lynched. Its part of the game, some things just dont' work out for you. I didn't want to leave game but I had to it didn't work out for me. You thought you could bus all your team mates and that didn't work for you *shrug* its sad but its the mafia cards someitmes Regardless of why you subbed out thanks for making mafia's #1 mislynch unavailable for subbing out, then playing another game the next day or so and also basically confirming yourself as town to marv. | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:17 justanothertownie wrote: Dude, he had a really good reason. Trust me. I know what you are talking about though, I complained about it plenty in the obs qt. I know why he replaced. I don't appreciate the fact he trolled the fuck out of the game before that. I also don't appreciate the fact he goes to PM living people in the game after replacing out. | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:27 Palmar wrote: Why did you kill fecalfeast btw? LEaving both marv and I alive seems kind of risky because of exactly what happened. Because he was confirmed town and marv was not. | ||
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My shit on LS was real. My shit on Damdred was real. I do that all the time and i thought those people fucked up when they said what they did. None of this matters because i am serious. When logic does not dictate this game i am out and it's now. so bye. | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:30 Palmar wrote: Logic did dictate this game. It would have been illogical to lynch me on this last day. no. | ||
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On March 24 2015 08:56 Half the Sky wrote: Don't think anyone could have said it any better. This was a tier 1 game in terms of (collective) skill Rayn, and the fact you got a nod for scumplay of the year, what you did was respected. Look at Holyflare, he busts his tail as mafia and sometimes it hasn't worked out for him. GGs congrats town and well played to Rayn for getting far. This is just a bunch of BS. I view this as a game of logic and lately i haven't seen much logic in this game. If this is how mafia is played nowadays then fine. Anyways it's not a game for me. | ||
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On March 26 2015 09:19 Blazinghand wrote: Whatever problems this setup may or may not have had, it can't have been THAT scum-favored since town won well scumteam didn't really play and jat had even nerve to go tell here i unnecessarily bussed. that fucker. | ||
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On March 26 2015 12:22 justanothertownie wrote: I DID play. And yeah, bussing day1 was not necessary. Bussing Onegu this hard wasn't either. just like you told me in scum qt. | ||
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