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/in RSo, y u no in? Oh right, you're co-hosting. See, I'm reading thread. Towniest town to ever Town. | ||
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I really like it here, too. Feels like I've learned a lot from my first game here to now. | ||
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However I'm not a big fan of replacements, especially this close to EoD, and I still have over 2 hours. I have read and skimmed at least the first 10 pages but there's a lot more to read/analyze. | ||
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Doesn't have to be. I logged in half expecting to be a p lynch or see at least one person thinking about slow pushing it. So far where I'm up to, only Damdred has mentioned it. And I def understand why, I beat him as inactive scum. I think I want to lean slight town on him for him being cautious. He acknowledges the possibility I'm lurking again but moves onto scumhunting instead of plynch. I'll be posting thoughts like this as I catch up. | ||
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Damdred - Said before. Town lean. Hes reading, not ditching thread, has pushed the conversation on more than one person without misdirecting and slamming confusion everywhere. I can see where his read progression on Eden occurred. Wow just those 2 filters, like 8 pages total, plus reading everything else to current page and I'm down to 40 mins. FML I have no luck with D1s. | ||
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Yes, Snarfs, those are the filters I read. I saw a case on Damdred and I saw a few people mention Prob being under the radar. So yeah. | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Holy shit Wave's filter since the Damdred push is terrible. You're just now noticing after I showed up, towned Snarfs and said I could vote Wave? Bus set up? Not reading until now has really crippled me but a Wave scum flip does not help you in my eyes, Artanis. Snarfs led and pushed conversation D1. Left for a while and re entered with an invite, been gone too long. Caution can come from both alignments but it just feels unnecessary to do as scum, whereas town really wants a good D1 lynch, not a mislynch, and doesn't want to waste their vote. And that WoT Snarfs posted scumming me for lurker lynch. Damdred called it a legacy post and i agree. Personally I see myself as one of the least content players right now. And my only scum game here here was the exact same. It doesn't help that I'm not a fan of D1 and have stated so before. Do with that what you will. | ||
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On February 25 2015 21:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Yuuuuup Think about his choice of targets too and who they're each targeting. And he mentions this himself because he knows it seems awful so he tries to explain it away Didn't wave case Damdred as scum? Wave also claimed he needed motivation to reread since he'd miss EoD. That's a red flag for me too. But yeah, why are you sheeping someone's thoughts on a post if you scum them? Mind meld with "scum " = bad. | ||
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I'm at work, no guarantee my next refresh or post will be before EoD so I'm putting up my vote just in case. This is half sheeping my townreads in Dammy/Probulous and half because Wave was ready to sheep and push Damdred's thoughts on Tronak post. Why u sheep your scum read? | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:46 yamato77 wrote: Like, what mafia posts this? I don't think Wave would do this as mafia. Srsly. This is wifom. I don't like wifom defenses =/ | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:47 KelsierSC wrote: he is sheeping yomato so you havent read great He is sheeping Yamato on what? Tronak? I very clearly quoted the post where Damdred called the Tronak post weird and Wave quoted that post and agreed with it. He didn't run with Yamato sheeping it until after Damdred, his scum read, questioned it. | ||
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I don't see how Yamato gets cleared out of this, either. This lynch looks bad on a lot of people, myself included, but screaming he's town, he's a mislynch can come from either alignment, as scum knows for a fact who is town. | ||
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On February 26 2015 09:09 KelsierSC wrote: thanks for explaining how mafia works. nice vote Thanks for the sarcasm towards a newbie who has a strong bias against cocky disrespectful "vets" he's never played with. And thanks for the pointless post. Here's one in return. Nice attitude. | ||
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On February 26 2015 09:17 _Tormented_ wrote: You went from thinking him scum to thinking he could be the cop? reason or just being hypothetical? Looks more to me like Kel is fishing. IMO, town shouldn't be talking about blue roles at night at all. Whose fucking side are you on? | ||
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Want to see my help? Let's help, then. I want to see final vote, too, and I'll get through some more filters before I leave work tonight | ||
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Regardless save it. | ||
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Also yeah hi I'm here. Sorry I'm a bit drained from the last Newbie game still(losing when you catch both scum sucks) and this game already has as much content D1/N1 than almost that entire game. I was wrong on Wave vote and suspicion. Honestly makes me wonder which of my town reads I'm also wrong in(Damdred, Probulous). | ||
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On February 27 2015 07:32 Eden1892 wrote: Cliffs: - Artanis has been woefully unproductive this game - Node has one pg of filter full of obvious misrepresentations of other players and didn't care at all about the d1 lynch, parking his vote on Snarfs really early and not bothering to check back and see what had happened in the thread since - sicklucker's chronic inactivity is alignment-indicative I'm starting to think I feel like this is for my benefit, lol. With Node and SL, I'm curious. Both hint at inactivity/lurking. What makes them any worse than, say, me? See I have a bias issue in that I've been inactive for valid RL stuff. I really don't like anything about Node's filter at all but I feel hypocritical scumming Node or SL immediately. Although it really is bad that Node AFKd a vote and attacked a post from Tronak that I liked as pushing discission, even if it was a summary bit. Artanis I think I could lynch tomorrow. Having enough energy to post that you're lazy during a night phase is just a cop out. This is a time to reassess and see where that mislynch went wrong. And if you're lazy, you're not going to post at all. Just seems off. | ||
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On February 26 2015 09:37 KelsierSC wrote: Shining I have basically no read on you right now so I'll just wait for you to give your thoughts after reading. Honestly in your shoes I might have lynched Wave aswell. From someone new to the thread and maybe someone new to the game I can see how he looks like a "textbook mafia" candidate, especially with lots of people voting on him. I'm not holding that against you. Eden should probably know better though. IIt was town's fault for making you a hammer but it might have been better if you just left your vote on a random person. Honestly i'm probably being fucked by a good mafia team here but I can't give any more insights until I see what snarf is. Why this change in tone, Kel? You have two posts almost immediately before this being sarcastic towards me, indirectly trying to make me look bad for the vote. Why once I bite back and dont get intimidated, you try to explain my actions for me? Most of your posts you seem to not give a fuck about feelings(SL questioning especially) so why do I get the nice treatment? | ||
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Node AFKs without explanation. Want to see why Artanis posted about being lazy once, havent seen him after. Could really just be lazy or waiting for day. SL continues to post nothings showing he's here but...doing...nothing lol. | ||
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On February 27 2015 08:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It means second. It's not very difficult. 1. Yamato has a good read on Wave. 2. I believe Yamato is town. 3. Yamato very strongly believes Wave is town. 4. I therefore feel it's more likely that Wave is town. Rocket science, it is not. But you didn't always believe yamato was town. You were willing to lynch him. All I can see is a one liner about yamato's EoD play seems townie now and by that, Wave is town. Seems very loose with no flips to go off of to just assume one is townie for trying to save the other town. | ||
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On February 27 2015 08:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Reads change sometimes. Note that Wave called Yamato town too and I had a townread on Wave early on too. The fact that they townread each other strengthened one another. I didn't go in depth on why I changed my read on Yamato as there was little time, plus like I said I felt Snarfs was scummier. I wasn't certain on Wave being town by any means. I know you didnt, hence my last post asking you to help me explain it now. Reads do change but if I can't readily see where and how it changed, it holds as much weight as "he was scum and unsure of how to spin his read so he goes as vague as possible." I don't want to jump to that conclusion without seeing what you have to say first | ||
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Tormented's instavote right after Eden looks like a way to cruise D2 on auto pilot btw | ||
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On February 27 2015 09:48 _Tormented_ wrote: I am willing to be swayed if he provides a good case on someone else. I don't expect we will get into any kind of auto lynch unless he continues to look scummy. Who else should we look at Shining since Node is still afking? I want to see yamato. I find it odd that he was willing to stick his neck out that hard for a town read D1. Obviously, I would defend one of my strong townreads if I deemed it necessary but not to the point where it is solely based on months old meta and being "friends". It just seems like a really convenient way to distance yourself from the mislynch. And he's been pretty absent from the night phase. I also really wanna know what SL was hinting at. His play is lacking but if the reason for it is a blue role and he found something, I'd like to know what he found. | ||
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On February 27 2015 09:54 _Tormented_ wrote: Like Artanis himself did D1? No, I will continue to push others. Would still like to hear from Node when he gets back. I believe Snarf is town and therefore would like to hear Node's justification for his D1 posts. Pretty much exactly what I was getting at. Hmph. +1 town point for you. And ya I had Snarfs as town, too, so I want to see the same. Speaking of which...you avoided a "mislynch" Snarfs, assuming my read is right. What do you plan to do with this extra day you've been blessed with? | ||
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A thing crossed my mind concerning this. I'd say pressuring him and pushing him is useless(see:Kelsier interaction) at this particular point, unless you really want to just Lynch him. | ||
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On February 27 2015 10:30 _Tormented_ wrote: What is the point of even saying what he did? Any idea what he would be trying to accomplish by just throwing that out there and afking? Yes, actually, but if I'm right, saying it here where a scum might still see it would ruin its effectiveness. Although I'll be super pissed if I'm wrong. | ||
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Its not hard to figure me out at all. I'll even do it for you. As scum, I'm a lurker and like to sheep as easily and quickly as possible. As town, I have a slow game due to my hatred for D1 and not having learned my way around it. It picks up after voting analysis(which I learned from Damdred ironically) and after players start being inconsistent or not contributive. This is why I am willing to vote Artanis. I just won't do so right away, especially with 3 votes already on him. It won't be me but I'm interested in seeing who, if anyone, will defend him. I do like those points on Artanis, though meta isn't one of my biggest strengths. As a newbie, have to ask, how do I verify that he was in fact not mislynched in any of those games? In my newbie games here, diving 1 or 2 old games was easy but how do you find all of those? And welp, there is the possibility Node afks D2 as well and gets modkilled. I only mind that if he flips town. | ||
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Kek. Inb4 I believe in my earlier post about SL more strongly. | ||
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So you're saying your town meta is not actually playing the game? Roger that. You're playing here, though...scum tell? Lol. | ||
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After 4 votes dropped on Artanis. Humph. | ||
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Yeah Node is now Fecal so I'm null there now. Snarfs, to answer you, I don't like unflipped association but Artanis's play not only looks suspect on himself but yamato as well. The early interaction looks a little strange, although that could easily be just regular banter instead of "hey let's acknowledge each other early so that can't be used against us" in QT. What's most interesting to me is his case on Tormented. First game on TL, seems like he could be gunning for low hanging fruit. Recent yamato post though is a one liner. Tormented is town. Why is Tormented now town? | ||
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On February 27 2015 12:10 KelsierSC wrote: ##vote Fecalfeast Why | ||
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On February 27 2015 12:17 Fecalfeast wrote: Kelsier doesn't really think about the stuff he does, it's not his fault. He will see with time. I kinda just wanna yell at him for being a replacement voting a replacement for replacing if that's why he's voting. He was mean to me, I wanna be mean back ROFL. But on a serious level, I don't like unexplained votes. | ||
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Snarfs, yamato also seemed really defensive to me considering it was Wave on the chopping block, not him. I also don't like him chalking SL up to a plynch when there was literally no contribution or thought from him. Another mislynch he's distancing himself from? And him scattering his vote all around. I can understand using it for pressure but it also feels like he could be just testing to see where the easier mislynch lies under the guise of pressure. Some of it is wifom but in his absence, I feel it is worth mentioning for him to clarify for me when he returns. | ||
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On February 27 2015 12:26 Fecalfeast wrote: The shining can I get a list post out of you by chance? I don't need reasons yet, though I may ask for specific reasons afterward. If you're unsure, a 'list post' is where you show your reads on everyone in the game. Either by grouping them into categories (town/town lean/null/scum lean/scum) or by listing each player and your read on them individually. Probulous - town lean Artanis - scummy SL - null(I have a post addressing this) Tronak - null Yamato - suspicious, leaning scum Tormented - town lean Shining - town Eden - null Snarfs - town HTS/Kelsier - had HTS as suspicious, Kels play has me back towards town lean Node/Fecal - was scum, back to null | ||
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Unfortunately, I feel like Artanis yamato is too easy so I'm missing something. One or more of my nulls that I need to read into are likely scum. | ||
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On February 27 2015 14:56 yamato77 wrote: let's just lynch sicklucker Why? I have reasons not to. | ||
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Replacement read: Last game I was in, a townie got scumread pretty hard and then replaced out after the person she scummed and cased wasn't lynched. She flipped town. I don't like replacements but judging one player for another's lack of time and being able to play is half the reason Town lost that game. I'd rather find Fecal scummy for Fecal play, not Node play. Looking forward to what he goes in-depth on. Eden, you are null to me because reading 70+ pages, you have a bunch of town points and posts followed by a bad wagon on Wave that I unfortunately sheeped onto. You kept asking to be talked out of it, which I don't find alignment indicative. If it was, it would lean very slightly town because you may have been willing to reassess your case but the point is moot, no one made you do so. And your filter is extensive so I won't scum you without solid evidence as to you why you're scum, makes no sense, but you were responsible for a mislynch. I can't just town you and let you go. | ||
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On February 27 2015 15:12 Eden1892 wrote: how tf was my case on Wave bad? if it's so bad why has no one ever been able to refute it you can't possibly think i'm not town at this point. townies mislynch all the time and my reasoning for lynching Wave was great Woosah. No one said your case was bad. I said the wagon was bad. We lynched town. That's bad. Why is that hard to see? I'm sorry. Look at my past games. I'm a paranoid player. On more than one occasion, I've seen scum lead the game, lead us right into lynches, then come back off of it looking clean as a whistle. Like I said, you have some points that are townie and I liked your case on Wave(I voted him too so there's that) but I was asked for a list post that I was able to get done 10 mins before I left work. When I got to you, I had a choice between town lean which I only felt slightly, scum lean which I wasn't going to give you, and null which I felt was the best description of my view on you until I had more time to revisit you for the reasons I mentioned. | ||
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On February 27 2015 15:14 Eden1892 wrote: and wtf node is scum his slot is scum those points don't just disappear because someone replaced in By your logic, you're saying I should've went ahead and mislynched that Town that looked scummy that replaced in my last game instead of casing and finding the last scum which got me NKd? Yeah, no, I err on the side of caution. Say what you will but I'm tired of losing games and with a nice amount of time left this Day Phase, I'd rather arrive to that conclusion the right way instead of "YOU REPLACED IN, YOU SCUM" | ||
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Not if you look at the setups and have half a brain. And if my tone seems mean, it's because it is. You just voted SL and hinted at AFKing. You "might" give a fuck tomorrow? If you're town, give a fuck now, tomorrow, the day after, always. | ||
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On February 27 2015 15:33 sicklucker wrote: Like holycrap yamato is definitely mafia. He just pointed out The Shining softed a green check on me. Then proceeded to vote me... Like really? Did mafia think I was a role and roleblock me last night? Yes Is there a potentially green check on me? Yes Is it a bad vote? Yes Did I do that? I guess I have to be more careful with my posting. I'm not softing anything, I just see very clearly what apparently others are not. | ||
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On February 27 2015 15:30 sicklucker wrote: Go on because theres alot of reasons not too. Since its ff replacing your best bet is to just read node not ff. This post. So Eden is doing this. You say it's the best way to go. Do you agree with Eden saying the slot is scum? | ||
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1+1 is = 3 right now and I don't get it. | ||
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But now you come back to thread and you're still in this emotional, angry defensive state. Care to explain why? | ||
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On February 27 2015 13:11 KelsierSC wrote: replacing in this late is fucking stupid, skims the thread and will give shit reads. i don't really give a fuck anymore Kelsier - This isn't another "I refuse to play" post too, is it? You hinted at wanting to see what I came up with. I have a small filter now, yay me. I also asked about your change in tone with me after the mislynch. I can easily get sick of the I don't wanna play/IDGAF attitude and just adopt it myself but I'd rather not. So when you come back, pls respond. | ||
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In an attempt to try to get a better answer out of you when you return, are you still scumming Eden? | ||
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On February 27 2015 16:14 sicklucker wrote: I really like how the shinings against all this "your stupid I fucking quit" bullshit My last Newbie game. I was the one pulling the I quit BS over replacements, pretty similar to Ksc. It's another point to add to my already town lean on him. I realized the effect it has on town and the game and realized how bad it was and ended up re-energized and nailing both scum, though town lost at lylo. Hence my posted aimed at Kels. I'd rather try and bring him back in the game. That's why I'm still throwing questions at yamato, too. Point is, if you're actually town, that's the absolute most horrid approach to things. Get frustrated, yell, curse, idc, but play. | ||
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Yamato didn't help my scumread on him one bit, still looking forward to Artanis coming back. Think I could actually go yamato over Artanis if he doesn't change his stance on the game. | ||
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And you really need reading comprehension. You misrepresent almost everything about me. First of all, you read my filter in 10 mins. Very good deep in depth analysis. So misrepresentations: I didn't leave my tablet at work. I left my tablet at home. I got called into work on a day off and in a rush to go to work, left it home. No I do not have technology other than my phone at work and I can't sit on a phone, read, filter dive at work. I've been able to play at work recently cuz I have my tablet with me, duh. Whatever my D1 was atrocious, do what you will. I bring up my last game because players here seem to have a hardon for meta and I'm noting a lot of similarities again. And if you're scumming my emotional posts, where the fuck are you at on yamatos tantrum last night? Read the thread please. And I was ASKED by FF for that list post, I'm not a fan of those but meh. I saw no reason not to. And again, read the thread. SL I moved to town. Eden I'm town leaning but I'm really having fun watching her reaction to me being evasive about it. You, I feel can be scum especially after such a horrible post and I saw both scum and town points in your filter. And I don't necessarily read ppl I've never interacted with. | ||
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For someone who read my admittedly small filter, you sure missed and misread a lot. Like wtf, worse 10 minutes spent. No reaction to yamato and Kels' idgaf/refusal to play attitudes. Just fluff expecting FFs posts(which we all are) and a weak case on me. Gj. | ||
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On February 27 2015 10:24 The Shining wrote: Pretty much exactly what I was getting at. Hmph. +1 town point for you. And ya I had Snarfs as town, too, so I want to see the same. Speaking of which...you avoided a "mislynch" Snarfs, assuming my read is right. What do you plan to do with this extra day you've been blessed with? I was suspicious of Tormented D1 and even mentioned he might be on auto pilot sheeping onto the Artanis wagon immediately after Eden. But looking into him, I saw it was not the first time he was scumming Artanis so it was consistent. Add that to the interaction he had with me that led to the quoted post and I started leaning town on him. | ||
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I should clarify that I have had my fair share of weak cases, as well. Weak cases are not alignment indicative. However, the way you seemed to not want to commit to it is what worries me. A townie can have a weak case and gut feeling and still commit to it. And meh. I am a passionate player. I would be more worried if I was emotionally detached. It is my play style, not sure what to do with that. And I meant you have no vote up on me. I like that you're sticking with your scumread in Artanis, at least, but I wanted to see his defense before I made a final call on him. I've already said I'm leaning more towards Yamato than Artanis. But your response about Artanis does nothing to disprove my thought that your case on me is a soft push to see if my wagon could gain traction. You don't have to nevessarily vote me right away to get me mislynched if enough people believe your case. And since when does thinking someone is scummy but wanting to see their defense because too many people jumping in the wagon doesnt feel right and not voting = jumping on the wagon? And you just told a guy who started late and had to read a ton of pages to catch up(that were pretty spammy, mind you) to not spam. I'll post what I want. I referred to a past game because I'm a newbie and like I said, ppl here have hardons for meta. It was a town game for me. And it isn't really League of Legends spam if it is also the same post that explains why I'm leaving thread and unable to answer questions immediately afterwards. Last thing. I should have updated my list post that I was asked for, even though I don't like list posts? To change one read on SL to town? Why? It's clearly in my filter that I did so. | ||
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On February 28 2015 06:24 Eden1892 wrote: no dummy, I'm lynching Artanis and then you first Does this mean you're already lynching FF regardless of Artie's flip and the info it could give us? | ||
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On February 28 2015 06:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't really have much of a read on him. I liked that he didn't like the train going on me so quickly but I don't like the angle he's going at (Yamato over Tormented/Snarfs/Node and now you). I feel pretty secure in Yamato being town. Yamato's only post since that interaction last night with myself and SL was an Artanis pls. Why is your town read refusing to play now? Help me see what you're seeing because an unwillingness to play or even interact with me just doesn't help at all. Tormented I've played with before. I was asked to explain my town read on him and I did. I won't push a town read. Snarfs also was town to me and I won't lynch him today but I'd like to see more from him. Today's Snarfs play looks to me just like questioning that can come from either alignment, a null on reading me and a lack of thoughts and presence. Also was supposed to be here when Artanis came back. Not quite yelling scum, just not what I was seeing D1. I already explained my feelings about replacements and FF, too. | ||
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You stole his replacement thunder. | ||
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On February 28 2015 14:19 yamato77 wrote: Artanis plz. Yamato pls. | ||
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On February 28 2015 05:02 Tronak wrote: Finally this wakes up again. (is very boring for me to spend most of my day time alone despite being 1 of the 3 europeans in the game) Ok just 2 things, I must leave for a dinner with friends in some minutes: 1-Answering Shining- Shining my reads may be weak (this is my 1st game ever in case you didnt noticed yet: read the thread  ), now instead of being fully emotional on your defense, relax and keep defending, no problem.Artanys been in my suspect list before any you even looked at him, I am voting Artanys, I wont change unless he shows me he is town. (Read the thread )(Read your own posts )Gotta admit I missed your read changings, you should have updated your list or dont throw spamm in your game. At any case this was a good point for you and a -1 for me. Will be happy to interchange more words with you tomorrow if needed. 2 I wont be able to be there in 2,5hours ( I wish), neither on 3 or 4, maybe on 5 for a very short time before hitting bed. So Artanis is set to be lynched right now. What happened to this Tronak that has been suspicious of Artanis "before everyone" except maybe Tormented? He just sheeped a Prob case onto FF(to get off the Artanis mislynch?) after saying he won't change unless Artanis shows he is town. Has Artanis done this, Tronak? | ||
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That being said, I really am thinking we should give Artanis a chance here. There are quite a few players who had much more content and posts D1 as opposed to now. Artanis, yamato, Snarfs, Kelsier are names that come to mind as driving forces D1 and almost non existent D2. And if that is alignment indicative, I'm really bad at this game because there are four names there. | ||
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On March 01 2015 07:29 Snarfs wrote: What happened to your read on artanis, Shining? You have him as scummy, he does nothing all day, now you think we should give him a chance? Like, from this list he was clearly your biggest scum read. That was very general, Snarfs. Would you like to read my filter and the multiple posts saying I didn't like how fast his wagon gained traction and wanted to hear his defense before pulling the trigger on him and then ask that question again? | ||
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Like the fact that Yamato shows up after his Artanis pls BS and votes him. Looking objectively at his filter, he hasn't given us a damn thing since EoD and its fucking frustrating. But I'm getting out of my tunnel. He really thought Wave was town. I could see his anger and detachment from the game as being real and authentic once I get over my anger over him not being willing to play. It makes sense and his willingness to still come back and vote Artanis after implying he didn't do what he said he would shows at least a slight investment in this game still. I'm notorious for shit D1 reads. Another of many reasons I hate D1. Right now, I'm inclined to think I'm wrong on both of my reads(Artanis/Yamato) and could be taken for a run by scum, but I don't have any reads to make this anything more than a tinfoil theory. In other words, I believe Artanis could be scummy but, like Tronak, could understand his flu excuse being a horrible one to get thrown onto his scum meta, as well as it being a genuine excuse. And another 72 hours of Artanis playing like this would only make it easier to decide on. And if I scum him off of D2 activity alone, I go back to Yamato and Kels and you to a lesser extent showing a lack of activity that wasn't there D1. Eden, the speed of the wagon matters because I maintain that Town deciding lynches early in a Day and not analyzing or thinking things through gives scum a free pass for 48 hours. And wouldn't you know it, the content on D1 and N1 is almost 3x the content of D2. So I have evidence to back that statement up. Also, when a wagon like that picks up that much traction that fast and no one stops to go, "Hey could this guy actually be town? Why or why not?", in my short experience, it ends up leading to a mislynch. | ||
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Tronak, I actually don't like FF. Sticking by my feeling that lynching Artanis today isn't a good lynch anymore, and looking into FFs filter, I really don't see much town at all. He asks me for a list post(which he personally did nothing with. Everyone else has questioned it). He comes in towning Snarfs hard(that was general thread consensus at the time, I believe) but not wanting to give in depth analysis yet. We are now at D2 EoD and I did my best to give him BoD to come back to us with something. Blatantly refused to read 70 pages to analyze. I'm a newbie on TL and I've read and reread 80 pages before in an attempt to reassess an entire game. That excuse is weak. Doesn't know when deadline is? Red flag. A big analysis post on...Tormented leading up to a one-liner vote on Kels(filter full of one liners is why he's voting Kels). Hm. Actually, work is picking up, I should be back before EoD but just in case. ##Vote: Fecalfeast | ||
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On March 01 2015 09:03 yamato77 wrote: prob/sl/snarfs pick 2 Snarfs/Prob or more likely Snarfs/FF. FF might have the scum power role, which would explain Artanis not saving himself over FF. | ||
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On March 02 2015 09:24 _Tormented_ wrote: Right now I am split between either Prob/FF and Eden/Yamato as my final two mafia. Which do you think is more likely and why? | ||
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Yamato did absolutely nothing to help himself or town D2 leading up to EoD, then slaps a vote on Artanis. The interaction between them early seems odd after Artie's flip, too. If yamato doesn't show up today and actively play and help town, he is my choice for scum. Kels was a replacement that has been replaced and hid behind the excuse of a D2 replacement being his reasoning for not playing. I find that very weak and a cop out, as a even a newbie like me has dealt with a D2 and D3 replacement in the same slot and worked through it. I'm lynching either yamato or Kelsier slot depending on actions today and my rereads tonight. | ||
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On March 02 2015 09:33 Fecalfeast wrote: Shining, I saw that you took notice to tronak's very easy jump onto me from artanis after probulous posted his lame case. How do you currently read tronak? I'm reading Tronak as town, especially after reflecting on his filter and his very early interactions with Artanis D1 regarding his case on Tormented. If he's scum, I don't see him talking his scum partner out of a mislynch in Tormented in the thread, when at the time a few others were also scumming Tormented. One thing I've noticed(from experience,I'm guilty of this too) is that suggestive cases like Probs on you can be hard to look at objectively sometimes and can sway a "newbie" a little more easily than a "vet". I had my own reasons for voting you and I honestly don't like Probulous right now but rereading that point in the thread, a scumProb could easily post that case to try and stop the Artanis wagon and misguided town Tronak could follow it. But there's too much unflipped association there for me to run with that too far. Feel free to comment on thoughts about that. | ||
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On March 02 2015 09:53 _Tormented_ wrote: As far as Eden vs Yamato. I read through all of Yamato's scum games and I just don't think this is one of them. He rarely if ever conflicted his other team mates d1 and on here he got into it with artanis. Would artanis even go to the trouble of adding to yamato's posted evidence and voting me and then turning on yamato? This just seems to me to be too unlike scum actions. Eden I am wary of because of the way he has diverted attention from himself pretty much any time it has come up. The fact he is still alive is suspicious in and of itself. Would mafia kill snarf over eden? Eden did question artanis on his reasoning for voting snarf and then immediately voted for him on D2. That could be a very well run bus or just a good lynch. In conclusion, I do believe yamato is more than likely town, but if he does nothing today to help his case today I will understand a lynch on him. Eden remains null to me at the moment. Something just doesn't sit right about his posting, but I can't explain it enough to even try and lynch him right now. I would much rather look at either Prob or FF for the lynch today. Yeah, I'm confident on my Tormented read. There's an effort and commitment to his reads and posts as the game progresses. As for yamato, I'd have to read those games myself and compare. I even tried to give yamato BoD during his ragefit and engage him and got blatantly ignored. Like seriously, what town does this? SL did bring up that the Snarfs kill could have been a medic dodge. I'm not sure I buy that but keeping Eden alive also raises suspicion for why Eden is still alive, which scum could also do. Hence, why early NKs are pretty wifom. And I've always been weary of Eden. I didn't even town lean him right away even though I wanted to just because of how much I felt he wanted to be towned, though he disagreed. The only way I see Eden flipping scum is as Godfather and at this point, unless Artanis told him way beforehand he couldn't play and to bus him, this seems like a REALLY far reach. Not impossible but very highly improbable. I'm on either yamato/Kels + Prob right now. | ||
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Why hell are you two fluffing/spamming up the thread? -1 | ||
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Why are all the vets either refusing to play the game or spamming? | ||
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On March 02 2015 12:28 Eden1892 wrote: i left you a treasure trove of amazing posts to get starry-eyed over in the last 4 hrs. there's plenty of playing going on you should direct this question to yamato who checked in just to be fake-annoyed I have. No response. His posts since then have been artanis plz artanis plz vote artanis headdesk. He is a potential lynch for me. However, there are 2 scum left, not 1, so wasting time and not pressuring anyone else doesn't help town. | ||
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On March 02 2015 08:58 Eden1892 wrote: ugh no time to catch up before I die if I die: - lynch yamato - make Kelsier and Probulous bleed town like they did when they were active later in d1 - figure out Tormented - don't lynch Snarfs, Shining, Tronak, sicklucker and PROBABLY not Fecalfeast UNLESS you'd otherwise lynch into the no-lynch list OK then Eden. We lynch yamato, I'm pretty onboard with that tbh, have been for a bit. Kels and Prob. Kels is no longer playing, do you intend on judging the slot off of Kelsier's large but fluffed filter or Onegu? Probulous is still MIA, thoughts on what I implied about his case on FF? Tormented - with his few posts at Day Start, any change in read? Pretty much onboard with your don't Lynch list, too, with the exception of FF for reasons I've mentioned before. But he is lower on the list than he was when I voted him. | ||
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FF, upset is such a strong word. Discouraging me from posting due to not having anything to say about MTG would be more accurate. | ||
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 FF, I wasn't trying to be a thread Nazi but I was just putting out valid reason for why I was attacking the convo. I don't want to be accused of discouraging convo but there are newbies this game. I guess I'm afraid someone will come back to thread with a question or thought or read, try to see where thread direction is headed, get lost in the spam and come back later. And that time could be crucial to analyzing that person's question/thought/etc. | ||
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I can't believe I had to pull teeth and whine all over the thread to get you to do WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING AS TOWN ANYWAY. Took me fucking scumming you and changing my stance on you to get you to play, GJ. I reassessed my read on you and you still couldn't be bothered to contribute or interact with me until I scummed you again. Meh, you've been angry and emotionally driven concerning me. Talk to me about me once you're willing to look at things objectively, not "he's scumming me so now I'm going to spin his posts to look scum.". I'll also ignore the fact that you meeeeehhhh Probulous but don't address the fact I'm scumming him. Srsly, get out of your tunnel. | ||
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And OK, kudos to you if you feel that way. We all have different playstyles and different ways we read people. I don't feel that way. | ||
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Now it is me and Probulous. Funny how yesterday you made sure to mention "Prob was no one's top lynch." You see how there's no progression from one point to the next? You're taking posts instead of reading filters and context and just hammering scum reads. That's why I don't think interacting with the thread is meaningless. I don't scum you if I can actually see where and how you drop reads and move onto the next. And your last few posts are actually pretty townie. They'd probably be moreso if you didn't wait a full day and night phase to do so, though. | ||
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On March 02 2015 14:13 Eden1892 wrote: Wow that case on Fecalfeast was actually not very good at all I think it's literally "Node said bad stuff" plus "Fecalfeast did something that I can interpret in multiple ways but interpreted the way that makes him look worst" plus "I'm ignoring the bulk of what Fecalfeast did d2 which includes trifling trivialities like trying to solve the game and actually looking townie" I agree with your characterization Shining, I'd say it's pretty clearly not something that has to come from townie POV. That plus him dropping off the face of the Earth really makes me want to lynch him. Really I just want three of Yamato, Kelsier, Tormented, sicklucker and Probulous to be blues or obvtown or something so we can POE this Probulous would be a good lynch as would basically that whole list except SLTake yamato and Tormented off of that list. Yamato is finally playing now and pretty obvtown after these latest posts, even if I don't like the conclusion. And Yamato parroted me in saying that post makes Tormented town, which I still stand by. It's probulous/kelskynegu IMO, I'm still not seeing scum in SL. | ||
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HTS had one of the biggest filters in my first ever TL game. Mafia godfather. DP had the largest filter besides Geript last Student game. Mafia RB, scummed with me. You should really read that scum game, or at least my filter, and tell me if you truly think I'm scum. If so, vote me and get it over with. My wincon isnt to survive but us wasting time on each other doesn't help town. You don't see that, but I do. I agree with you on Probulous but I'm "dissociating & bussing" so whatevs. It is what it is. ##Vote robulous | ||
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On March 02 2015 18:26 yamato77 wrote: There's just no feasible way that both artanis and FF were mafia, and artanis DIDN'T VOTE HIM Would scum goon Artanis vote scum Godfather FF to save himself? I toyed with that possibility. It explains his unwillingness to defend himself and shift off his wagon to save himself. | ||
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I should really be asleep right now. | ||
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On March 02 2015 18:48 Tronak wrote: I certainly can't follow why Artanis and FF can't be mafia toguether. I'm sorry but it's late and my brain is broken. Are you agreeing with me here? Or at least agreeing that them as a team is a possibility? | ||
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On March 01 2015 08:41 KelsierSC wrote: If you are worrried about safety then we lynch ff because artanis does useful things as town . So Kels tried to save Artanis, as well. I saw this while reanalyzing votes and EoD actions leading up to the lynch. I'm too tired to dive Kels right now but I will when I wake up. Kels had a ton of filter but nothing particularly memorable, which doesn't feel right considering all that content. Onegu hasn't done much today, either. Yamato is right. I don't see any possible scum bussing unless I waffle on my weakest reads, which are SL and Tronak. But Tronak is still reading town to me and SL...I can't lynch him until something disproves my theory. And don't ask me what it is because if scum hasn't seen it, I won't point it out to them. To me, its still likely that its Prob/kelskynegu. Both are on the counter wagon, possibly trying to save Artanis. My FF godfather theory is basically tinfoil but it isn't impossible either. | ||
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On March 05 2015 05:33 Eden1892 wrote: where is this i'm probably gonna sheep tronak onto you if this doesn't materialize fwiw Lol is this because you're my final scum, Onegu? I can't wait to see this case. I'm sheeping myself onto you fwiw. | ||
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On March 05 2015 19:26 Onegu wrote: And don't worry you will get the case before EOD I promise. Other than that I don't have any reads for you other than Yamato obv town. And tormented uber townie also. You mean our Cop is uber townie? Wtf, why would you bother reading an unCCd blue role? Or did you miss that and that's why you killed Eden instead of Tormented? And if you're going to tunnel on me, and you do flip town, I really hope you feel like shit for buying into the easy lynchbait and throwing the game when I flip town at lylo. Its already ridiculously obvious that scum is setting me up for the mislynch so I'll be alive until endgame. Yay me. Fuck it, just lynch me today and save me the trouble of trying to save this stupid town. I have a case and don't even want to finish it anymore. Yamato thinks it could be me. Tronak thinks Onegu is scum but can't wait to see his case on me. Onegu is casing me. That leaves SL and Tormented. If either one of you want to vote me, let me know and I'll drop my vote so I can go instead of Onegu. Then you tards can mislynch Onegu and throw the game. Have fun. Later. | ||
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It's annoying and exactly what happened to me last game. I had to pull a case out of my ass because everyone including me was tunneled on a replacement mislynch and it just didn't feel right. Best part is, i nailed the last scum and town still lost. Its happening again here and I just don't feel like putting in all that extra effort again so just lynch me. I've been playing too much mafia, I need a break. | ||
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Yay, doobie at work. Goodbye rage, hello scum, I'm coming for you. Disregard what I said about not wanting to put the extra effort in, I'd never forgive myself. Welp, I think there's a shot Onegu is town and scum is setting up to mislynch Onegu and have me mislynched for the win. Of course, this is all moot if Onegu is in fact scum but last time I was in this situation, it didn't play out that way so I'm assuming it'll go the same way here. Case incoming. | ||
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On March 06 2015 09:33 Blazinghand wrote: The Shining has been warned for language/behavior. Please remember to treat this game and your fellow players respectfully and have fun! Aye. I log you all and I'm sorry. No, log does not = love but my typo made me lol so it stays. | ||
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##Vote: Tronak No way I'm getting my case out before EoD. I don't expect anyone to sheep me either. But I really don't think that Onegu case comes from scum. And he's got 4 votes without mine, I could hammer him to save myself but he seems about as worried as I do about being lynched. And I'm not worried at all lol lynching me helps town get rid of lylo lynchbait, since the two wagons are both town IMO. | ||
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D1 opening: Really odd. Introduces himself as a newbie which is okay but then offers up an agreement to scumProb's stance on RNG lynch. Normally, its okay to be against an RNG lynch but as he says himself, that debate was over. So all he is doing is echoing thread sentiment and parroting scumProbulous. On February 24 2015 19:32 Tronak wrote: Hi all You answered your self, I’m the newest newbie. Since its impossible for me to recognize ANY of the names I would have expected you would introduce yourself before asking about the new. Your opening contributed to light up the game since it was followed by almost everyone, however I found very few real usefull information in presentations, so I leave it here, presentations are finished now I guess. Completly agree, but looks I am late again and this debate is over too. There are some interesting reads going on already, I keep reading posts and try to catch up to help with my thoughts. Then he follows with a kind of list/summary post that scum usually like to hide behind. Pressure Snarfs for being a vet and suggesting RNG. Lightly pressures scumArtanis for his opening but wants to hear more from him. Fees that scumProbulous "won the mini battle" against townDamdred. And everyone not mentioned in this post is town, which is odd because later in his filter I'm null and I don't think SL had posted by this point either. There at least 1-2 scum on this list, according to Tronak, the newbie. Probulous and Artanis are in this list. This could be a very early way to set yourself up if bussing is necessary later in the game. Especially as Godfather, since you won't be a red check. However, even listing these 2 early as possible scum, he waffles over the Artanis vote on and off and stays off the Probulous vote for FF. There is a lot more to this case but I figured getting something out before EoD might help town, in case votes swung my way while I posted this. | ||
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On February 25 2015 21:09 Tronak wrote: I could jump in this train since Yamato is still suspicious for me. I was hoping Yamato to answer my "summary" post and later reminder. Not sure if he didnt answer because: a) my points could harm him b) my arguments are so "noob" that not worth answering me. However I want also to jump in Yamatos & Sicklucker train and lynch Kelsier for filling 3 pages of rubish in a thread that was taking a good direction (deeper analysis were going on). About this, Eden what made you abandon your line of scum arguments on Kelsier? Just his case on sicklucker? You considered Yamato a better target? or any other thing I cant arrive to see? Finally, trying to follow up a bit the points I opened yesterday here: - My initial opinions about Scarfs-Artanis and Yamatos openings were weak as those who have talked about this (Scarfs – Artanis and guess Kelsier in his way) pointed out. I had a fast look on other Mafia games and checked that is true that game openings are full of trollish bullshit (guess no news for the veterans, they were for me though). -Also going to stop, for now, my soft push on Artanis despite he also keeps being suspicious in my newbie thinking since although I can now understand his case on Tormented, I don't buy it. All accussations on Tormented seem weak to me so far, this is a feeling not something very rational. However, I can’t abandon the idea that Artanis may want us to follow a dead line just based on how well timed his case came into the thread. After putting all this toguether, it looks like nobody gonna follow my point and my potential vote on Artanis would be futile, so I decided I’ll gather more and better information in the future. -My actual thinking on other people mentioned in my post: (i) Probulous: a good but unsuccessfull case on Damdred which he abandons, and in general short townie looking good interventions. Can’t read on him. (ii) Damdred: I am know convinced by his own defense and most players opinion that he must be town. -And to add my fresh honest thinkings about the rest: (i) WaveShadow: cant read him other than town so far. (ii) Node: I read him town as explained in previous posts. Scarfs case on him didnt make me change my mind. (iii) Scarfs: null about him with big fear of losing what I find so far a very usefull player for my learning. (iv) The Shining: ( empty ) (v) Eden: I like how she pushes, should be town. (vi) sicklucker: cant read him properly, I think if he keeps being so selective in his appeareances he could enter in my suspicious list easyly. Conclusion: I will wait some more before voting for Yamato or Kelsier based on what others may bring on the table unless something really new appears that makes me change completly my mind. A couple of things with this post. First off, its a change in tone and style compared to the rest of his filter. And, similar to how Onegu said I did this, Tronaks filter is full of posts where he calls himself newbie, noob, newb, constantly discounting his own opinion. At this point, he's still scum reading Artanis but sees the mislynch in Wave picking up traction(there is a post in his filter where he tries to pressure Wave beforehand too) so he stops pushing Artie. He understands the Tormented case from Artie but doesn't buy it. But he can't explain why Artie targeting Tormented just doesn't feel right. If he's scum, I'd imagine it is hard to explain away why your scum partner is hard pushing a green. He also says Probulous is townie looking but can't read him. | ||
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On March 07 2015 08:29 Tronak wrote: Btw it was you asking for a Conglomeration. I made best case I could. Shining what do you think of Onegus case on you? Wasn't planning on defending it unless I was leading in votes. I'm more concerned with Tronak than saving myself. | ||
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On March 07 2015 08:26 Tronak wrote: Again the lynch Tronak thinguie as Prob tried? ... I at least put inputs behind my reasonings... and answer to anybodys questions. Now we got Onegus hardly answering questions... SL ignoring everyone, Shining making no-case on me, god! 48h ago I had FF as my best scum read but at least he "plays". Knowing shining gonna be on me, I would rather vote him tbh... This post is pretty scummy. Not voting me because he believes the Onegu case(which he's attacking while saying I'm scummy?) But instead would vote me because I'm on him. Paranoid? | ||
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Good news is, there's 6 of us. NK of either Yamato or Tormented. Tomorrow, I get mislynched, flip VT. Whoever doesn't die tonight dies for that NK. Your lylo is looking like Tronak, Sicklucker, Fecalfeast. | ||
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On March 07 2015 09:00 Tronak wrote: Read my filter tbh. My main targets been for last days Kelser>SL=shining>FF. I havent got game solving. I have. That's why I'm casing you. You have potentially scummed every single person in this game, while your town reads keep dying. The longer you go on, I believe less and less its town paranoia and more scum flinging scum in all directions. | ||
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On March 07 2015 08:58 Tronak wrote: If you are town you should defend if you want to win. I want town to win. It wasn't lylo. I don't need to be alive to win if I help figure out the game before I get lynched, either with a read or by POE. | ||
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