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On February 24 2015 09:03 Snarfs wrote: So, not recognizing the following names: 3) Half the Sky 4) sicklucker 5) Tronak 7) _Tormented_ 9) The Shining 10) Eden1892 12) Damdred I'm curious who the new new players are and how much experience each of the listed people has. Should help me get an idea of what to expect as far as town/mafia capabilities are concerned. I've never played this game on TL and I am really bad at it in other venues | ||
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On February 24 2015 09:31 Probulous wrote: Precisely  Just getting the ball rolling. You still haven't answered my question, what does it mean to you? To me it means nothing, hence I asked the question. As for random lynch, over my dead body. We are statistically more likely to get town and more importantly it provides cover for scum to avoid scumhunting in Day 1. No point in wasting a whole day waiting for a lynch that gives us no information. [citation needed] On February 24 2015 09:48 Half the Sky wrote: So which cell are you Artanis? Also how dirty is your mind going to get this game? Do I want to know? yes let's get dirty this game  | ||
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On February 24 2015 10:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Eden Eden Are you happy? Like a puppy | ||
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Testing my Bluff rank. Looks like the DC was too high to be meaningful | ||
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On February 24 2015 10:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't believe it, I haven't seen you post a cute puppy yet. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/FoV5uh.jpg) | ||
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On February 24 2015 09:59 Probulous wrote: Oh and my stance remains, I expect better. This guy is a buzzkill but he's probably town IMO. | ||
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On February 24 2015 10:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Those are goats, not puppies. | ||
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On February 24 2015 10:06 Probulous wrote: ROFL, what I meant was with 10 townies and 3 mafia, there is a much higher chance on lynching town if the lynch is completely randomised. Eden, what makes you "bad" at this game? Oh. That's a lot more boring, I was hoping there were some kind of stats available somewhere because I love stats. But yeah, a random lynch hits town more likely than mafia. Most d1 lynches tend to. I'm not worried too much about that. + Show Spoiler + Anyway I'm not actually bad at this game, I just said that so that when the mafia scroll down and read the thread they'll see it and not nightkill me. They probably won't open this spoiler box because they're lazy/not reading so I can safely tell you this here. | ||
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On February 24 2015 10:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Mafia players are lynched only 16.9% of the time in newbie games on day one, so excluding these games brings the overall day one lynch percentage up to 28.5%! Oh sweet Mother of RNGesus we're fucked. Time to start the Sacred Rite! This post # will be the source of our random lynch target | ||
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1) Probulous (filter) 2) Artanis[Xp] (filter) 3) Half the Sky (filter) 4) sicklucker (filter) 5) Tronak (filter) 6) Yamato77 (filter) 7) _Tormented_ (filter) 8) Node (filter) 9) The Shining (filter) 10) Eden1892 (filter) 11) WaveofShadow (filter) 12) Damdred (filter) 13) snarfs (filter) You know what to do. ##VOTE: Node | ||
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On February 24 2015 10:18 Half the Sky wrote: So Eden wants to get dirty, hey Artanis, what do think of that? he wasn't invited | ||
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sorry bud, i'm more of a 1-to-1 kinda guy | ||
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On February 24 2015 11:13 _Tormented_ wrote: lol fine, here ya go before I have to leave work. Take it for what you will. Player List 1) Probulous (filter) - town 2) Artanis[Xp] (filter) - town or overly aggressive mafia 3) Half the Sky (filter) - town 4) sicklucker (filter) - town 5) Tronak (filter) - no clue 6) Yamato77 (filter) - mafia 7) _Tormented_ (filter) - town 8) Node (filter) - no clue 9) The Shining (filter) - no clue 10) Eden1892 (filter) - either mafia or he is just being obtuse for no reason 11) WaveofShadow (filter) - no clue 12) Damdred (filter) - town 13) snarfs (filter) - no clue i need explanations for like half of these also lol @ a read on sicklucker | ||
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On February 24 2015 11:44 Damdred wrote: Eden you feel so disconnected and out of it right now. I'm really really worrying you rolled scum with hts mtg bruh | ||
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down with abzan | ||
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On February 24 2015 12:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Why haven't you watched my stream and helped me draft? my help would make you worse. fact | ||
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On February 24 2015 12:41 Probulous wrote: ##Vote Damdred First up he starts real wishy-washy, sure it's early game but you are accountable for your posts. I've explained before why that first post is scummy. OK, early game, give the guy a break.Then out of nowhere comes this Which to me is a reasonable response from HTS. Especially since everything seems to be based on the fact that Eden is happy? Like what kind of reasoning is that? If there are other reason I'd like to hear them but Damdred never answered the question. Then instead of really pushing Eden to contribute more he just random switches to HTS. OK we get a little more explanation about Eden even then its soft as shit. The sort of thing that scum thrives on.We get sweet fuck all about HTS. The guy has no case for why HTS or Eden really, are mafia but he is quite happy to spout it about the thread and when asked to explain gives no reasoning. Classic scum scare tactics. Then when someone, who I assume is reasonably experienced (Sorry if that offends you Wave), goes in a different direction, Damred straight up tech-switches again. For those that want to know what searing insight Wave provided for this road-to-damascus transformation (ok, that was harsh), here it is. A vote. He gets pressured and wilts. Instead of providing some explanation as to why he thinks HTS is scum, or perhaps trying to convince the rest of us to look into Eden and HTS, he simply gives up. Much easier to stay out of the spotlight and cast some suspicion around. TLDR: Damdred starts by trying to lower expectations, calls Eden scum with little reasoning, calls HTS scum with even less and then backs off when given just a little pressure. Why would scum do this, well it provides nice cover if either of these two are up for a lynch without having to stick your neck out. this guy is town and I might sheep him on Damdred tbh. I'm a little hesitant on Damdred being mafia because it is early and he could just be latching onto whatever he feels he could find, but I'm used to being able to understand Damdred's thought process to a reasonable extent when we're town together. I don't really get where/why he finds me or HTS suspicious. HTS isn't suspicious to me much at all, and the stuff that I'm doing that is weird/possibly suspicious is just standard fare early game banter with which Damdred ought be more familiar, esp. since we've played before. | ||
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On February 24 2015 13:36 Damdred wrote: I didn't retract anything nor was I under pressure to back off of Hts. I backed off to see what Hts did later on in the thread, I stated who I had a scum read on to get reactions, such as Hts reaction towards Eden scum read. Nor do I have a secret third scum read that I have in my back pocket. Before eod I'll see who I think is the best and try to get the person I want dead. Your right I don't have to bbut I find scum the way I want to which is dropping cases. Alzo he's doing the most work and is being interesting pitting himself out there I still don't get why you thought either of us was suspicious in the first place though ??? Everything you said here follows from that first premise pretty sensibly, but you haven't done anything to show me where you're coming from on that premise | ||
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like I wanted to go claim vet but I figured the actual vet coming out with a cc would be godawful. vig etc is self-explanatory format just isn't conducive to makin plays :/ not sure what you expected me to jump around for though since there hasn't been a lot to notice yet and... why hts again? still not seeing anything on her in your posts tbh | ||
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On February 25 2015 01:44 Node wrote: OMGUS harder, why don't you? It's a little annoying how one of the default responses to criticism is "did you even READ?" I read your filter. You've quoted none of the people you say are suspicious, you haven't engaged any of them directly, and you're straight. A key tell for a mafia is indecisiveness, and what people are picking up on isn't that you're backing off on your reads, it's that they were barely there to begin with. It's as if they were practically set up just to be backed off of later, or inconsequential enough that you wouldn't have to follow through. Here's what I'm talking about: Now, I want to make it clear that I don't think you're scum. Yet. (a blatant OMGUS isn't helping) But I do think your posts have done little more than gum up the thread. It's one thing to call my post "interesting" and start to get people thinking about me. It's another to actually say what I did was scummy and why. RNG was so pure. This post bleeds red to me Something about the sequence here reads "let me make several arguments for why you're mafia and then say that I don't suspect you but leave the door open for doing so later" | ||
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On February 25 2015 03:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also Snarfs, that's the second time you're asking someone for an opinion on me without giving your own. What's up buddy? I also want more comments on my case. I can vote for that case | ||
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On February 25 2015 04:58 Blazinghand wrote: Effective immediately, Half the Sky has been replaced by KelsierSC plynch kelsier | ||
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On February 25 2015 06:14 sicklucker wrote: Snarf is town because his first post was asking about players he didnt know. This is the strongest opening because as town its also what I want to know and It was my opening to answer it. Dandred is town because Ive played him as mafia 3 times and he just lurked. When he leads the discusion day1 hes always been town in like 9 games ive played with him as town. Ive had this read for quite awile and im glad we finally both rolled town for once so I can use it. ![[image loading]](http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/06/I-dont-believe-you.gif) | ||
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Town pile: Probulous Artanis sicklucker Damdred me Wave? Scum pile: Kelsier Null pile: A lot of people lol | ||
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Yeah I do. I distinctly thought to myself "where is HTS? I know she wasn't scared off b/c I mentioned 1-to-1 time" at work today. Then I read the thread and after earlygame fun she was really absent. Then she replaced out, which is alignment-indicative according to stats both on TL and mafiascum [citation needed I know I know but trust me it's true], and then your posts since you got in the thread aren't really making me think you're town either. | ||
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On February 25 2015 06:36 Eden1892 wrote: Oh yeah Node is more okay in my book for his reply when I questioned him. It didn't actually reply to anything I said but it read like town. Shrug = null still didn't like the post I quoted at all but I liked his response to me calling it out | ||
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On February 25 2015 07:12 Node wrote: We might deal with it by lynching you. Can we not turn this into a spamfest? Seriously, I don't have the time to deal with hundreds of pointless posts a day. And speaking of pointless posts, let's have a quick gander at what Tronak has had to say so far. "Here's a bunch of things that have happened so far. Some of these people might be scum, but they all feel like town." "Here's what Node has done. He might be town, but he might also be mafia." Overall, I don't have a read on Tronak yet, but that's because he hasn't actually said anything. I'm willing to cut him some slack for being totally new, but if he doesn't step it up soon and get some posts that go above sounding desperate to contribute, I'm going to get a lot more suspicious. This right here is the kind of thing I like to see. (and not just because it concludes I'm town) ok, do it once, I can give a pass with a decent-sounding answer do it TWICE? no way who do you actually scumread if all of your would-be cases turn into "I don't actually read him mafia yet"? | ||
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On February 25 2015 07:33 KelsierSC wrote: so node is ? please say null to keep the combo going no lol he's back to being mafia in my book | ||
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On February 25 2015 08:07 Damdred wrote: Though Eden bothers me a ton, really aloof of the thread only taking shots from the sideline lacks follow up on earlier things Suddenly I want to lynch Eden.,, what are you talking about | ||
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On February 25 2015 08:01 KelsierSC wrote: I think i've gone down totally the wrong path because I just have the two new players as mafia right now. I'm going to reread this shit. what happened to having like 4-5 scumreads | ||
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On February 24 2015 11:42 Eden1892 wrote: i need explanations for like half of these also lol @ a read on sicklucker 1) did this explanation ever come? i didn't see it 2) what yamato said, on top of explaining the old reads please update and explain the updates. tia | ||
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>"yeah he's hedging his bets about whether thread wants to lynch Damdred" do you even read | ||
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##VOTE: _Tormented_ | ||
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On February 25 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote: Seriously eden, last night I explained my misgivings on you and hts. You asked I answered, after I answered wave took over. You haven't really responded to that still. You reentered the thread called for policy lynch didn't act on it moved on to picking on node. Nowback to ksc. You just aren't trying to figure things out but have the appearance at this point you keep saying things without backing any of it up, what am I supposed to do about that? and "wave took over" lol what even is that "picking on Node"? are both of you blind? I scumread Node for making this big post on you that all but called you mafia then put you in null/not necessarily mafia. He had a decent reply so I backed off of it. Then he did it again with Tarnok. That's pretty suspicious behavior to me, the only reason I'm off of it is b/c I did think Node's response to my first callout was ok and I read Artanis town and he's telling me he thinks Node is townish. I want Tormented to explain his initial reads and then tell me what's changed in all the posts in-between. Still think KSC is mafia b/c HTS wasn't doing anything (which is completely opposite her town game) and KSC hasn't done anything townie since he reentered the thread This is so dumb that I even have to explain this. I'm pretty obviously town if you compare to any of my mafia games | ||
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On February 25 2015 08:29 _Tormented_ wrote: left field? You start losing the argument against damred and ksc so you try and pile on me? I remembered you never answered my initial probe about your reads list when yamato mentioned that you should reevaluate. I'm not losing shit, how about you actually followup instead of deflecting? | ||
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On February 25 2015 08:29 WaveofShadow wrote: This is kind of a scummy question. Agree/disagree? I don't get it Why don't you explain it? | ||
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On February 25 2015 08:34 KelsierSC wrote: apparently I have to "explain my reads" no fun ??? | ||
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On February 25 2015 08:36 KelsierSC wrote: also in half an hour I have a blow your mind read. I bet I have to explain that aswell. I mean if I think HTS is mafia for not doing anything and I don't get what you're doing, why wouldn't I think you're mafia? I don't get why you're so butthurt about people asking you for this. You replaced into a slot that hadn't done shit previously occupied by a player known for getting shit done. Handwaving her lack of production by saying "read me not her" and then doing your best to make it difficult to read you isn't leaving me any options | ||
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On February 25 2015 08:37 KelsierSC wrote: d1 i just wanted to tell people who to lynch and people got pissy about it. It made me think about the game more so I ended up doubting myself. easier if i just tell people what to do and gtfo establish your innocence and then you can do this | ||
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On February 25 2015 08:39 _Tormented_ wrote: My reads were because I thought Artanis was bouncing around and trying very hard to seem town. I don't know how he/she plays and therefore I am unsure if this is normal behavior or an attempt to get the conversation moving in any direction that is not aimed at himself/herself. With your read, you were making a lot of posts that had absolutely nothing to do with helping the game. 1) what about Artanis's behavior made you think he was "trying very hard to seem town"? 2) what about my posting was "obtuse," as you put it before? 3) what about the other 10 people you gave reads on? 4) what about the changes if any on any of those 12 reads? | ||
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On February 25 2015 08:41 KelsierSC wrote: i'm not butthurt i'm just having a good time cool so why do you expect me not to scumread you here? if you're town then clearly I'm wrong and missing something townie you've done (esp. since I explicitly said "you've done nothing townie") so how about taking a minute of your time and showing me | ||
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On February 25 2015 08:43 Damdred wrote: People can check out your filter and come to their own conclussions. I post my thoughts. And people can fact check you know that's how I work. Which makes this a super defensive post. Actually you do have to defend yourself and when you compare this tone wise length wise and content wise it's way different than your town. When I say wave took over you disappeared after I answered you. Your reads are lacking for you as kel pointed out though. you caught a bad case of the dumbs this game restate your apparent case on me as concisely as you can and see if it still makes sense, because every time I attempt to reduce it to a consolidated form that I can respond to I don't understand it seems to be a bunch of stuff I can't even respond to, like alleged ties to HTS and tone reads, mixed with things that aren't alignment indicative (not giving superficial explanations for reads that I can do and have done as both alignments before; filter length being not as long as past town games, except the one I just got out of lol, even though I've actively made an effort not to post as much b/c it runs people out of games) | ||
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On February 25 2015 08:45 KelsierSC wrote: scum read me if you want i don't give a fuck lol you should if you're town b/c you're making this game unnecessarily harder on your teammate | ||
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On February 25 2015 08:59 Damdred wrote: Nope not dumb I've given you two posts that were concise and talked about your play here. You wanted us to look at your mafia games to compare here which isn't what we need to do, you lack follow up on a shot ton of things. I've pointed out several. You lack a clear push just settling on tormented even though you are clearly slumming hts slot. Which is possible to be mafia granted. And this isn't about some associative read with hts LIKE WHAT????? Your earlygame comments where you wanted me to jump around every 5 seconds because I did it in some town games a few weeks / month or so back? I literally remember nothing else you want me to "followup" on And then you're saying I "settled on Tormented" WHEN I'M VOTING HIM TO GET HIM TO FOLLOWUP ON SOMETHING I SAID EARLIER???? Wtf am I supposed to do with this? | ||
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nah not yet the point that he peaced out was actually a pretty good one but I'm gonna wait to see what he does | ||
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On February 25 2015 11:59 Damdred wrote: I'm not soft pushing anything lol, my stance is pretty hard? where's your vote punk | ||
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Not a very hard push if you don't have the cajones to vote me, amigo | ||
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On February 25 2015 12:24 Probulous wrote: Anybody know what happened to The Shining? My only experience with him (coaching rsoultin in the last student game) suggests he's not an active poster. He was somewhat effective as mafia then. Idk if his activity is alignment indicative. For the record I still think Damdred is town, I'm just antagonizing him because I'm pretty sure he knows I'm town and is just being stubborn about it | ||
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On February 25 2015 12:29 Probulous wrote: Eden, why is your vote on tormentor? He never really explained his reads list, and he never updated it despite lots of new info. I initially voted for pressure but it might just stick since he bailed on the thread when I asked some followup stuff | ||
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Tormented, I asked you followup q's they're in my filter. Might quote them for you even though I'm on mobile (wow so helpful much town!!) | ||
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On February 25 2015 08:41 Eden1892 wrote: 1) what about Artanis's behavior made you think he was "trying very hard to seem town"? 2) what about my posting was "obtuse," as you put it before? 3) what about the other 10 people you gave reads on? 4) what about the changes if any on any of those 12 reads? | ||
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On February 25 2015 12:34 _Tormented_ wrote: bailed? I said you seemed mafia because of the lack of desire to post anything relating to useful information for the first several pages. Sweet I guess I'll count it as an answer to #2. Now that I'm posting good and clearly town your view changed, yeah? | ||
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On February 25 2015 12:42 Probulous wrote: Snarfs, this is bad and you should feel bad. The decision to check the thread says sweet fuck all about alignment. It is a low-quality but very sincere read IMO. I think it is a pretty townie thought process, cause I know when I'm town I'm looking for stuff like that, and as mafia I'm looking not to hand out bad townreads that I might want to walk back later. If they're partners then that goes away, but I think Damdred is town, so I'm not really putting any weight on the possibility | ||
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On February 25 2015 15:22 _Tormented_ wrote: I am not really buying it snarf. His comment on Damdred is odd, but makes sense with the way Damdred has been acting. I think you are purposely over analyzing his Tronak post and thirdly I see absolutely nothing wrong with his post in your third point. You also made it a point to point out that you know you are town...asking us to "keep it in mind". Was that part really necessary unless you want to make yourself seem as townie as possible so that everyone buys your version of the argument. Not to mention seeming overanxious to get opinions on your post. You were probably better off just not saying anything else, then trying to bug players into commenting. I am going with this for now. ##Vote: Snarfs bleeding red my vote is in a good place | ||
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On February 25 2015 15:22 _Tormented_ wrote: I am not really buying it snarf. His comment on Damdred is odd, but makes sense with the way Damdred has been acting. I think you are purposely over analyzing his Tronak post and thirdly I see absolutely nothing wrong with his post in your third point. You also made it a point to point out that you know you are town...asking us to "keep it in mind". Was that part really necessary unless you want to make yourself seem as townie as possible so that everyone buys your version of the argument. Not to mention seeming overanxious to get opinions on your post. You were probably better off just not saying anything else, then trying to bug players into commenting. I am going with this for now. ##Vote: Snarfs so let's talk about this post His comment on Damdred is odd, but makes sense with the way Damdred has been acting. no it doesn't, not like he said it. he made a pretty good argument for why Damdred was mafia and then said "but I don't read you as mafia yet." I already went over this, it didn't make sense at the time and no ex post facto arguments about Damdred's more recent towniness changes this I think you are purposely over analyzing his Tronak post and thirdly I see absolutely nothing wrong with his post in your third point. how about actually demonstrating how he's overanalyzing at all, let alone purposeful? this is all buzzwords and glittering generalities when unsubstantiated with an explanation and if you see nothing wrong with the behavior he cited in his 3rd argument against Node, why aren't you explaining it? You also made it a point to point out that you know you are town...asking us to "keep it in mind". Was that part really necessary unless you want to make yourself seem as townie as possible so that everyone buys your version of the argument. here we have actual overanalyzing of one part of what Snarfs said (the "keep in mind" bit)... while somehow also missing the actual point ("but he doesn't [meaning that he has no other reason to believe Snarfs is town]... and if he thinks I'm mafia for X, and that me doing Y doesn't change this, why would he townread me for continuing to do Y?") Not to mention seeming overanxious to get opinions on your post. You were probably better off just not saying anything else, then trying to bug players into commenting. there is literally nothing wrong with trying to get more opinions on a post. if he believes in it he absolutely should. why is he coaching a player he's scumreading here? if he's not, wtf is he doing? we should lynch this guy | ||
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On February 25 2015 12:39 _Tormented_ wrote: 1.) Just the feeling I got by reading all the different directions he was going in. Now he is either misguided or mafia. He wrote an essay with no real evidence against me and has done pretty much nothing else since to help the town besides get mad at yamato for changing his mind. 2.) You were obtuse because you were just spamming random useless shit with no value. On further observations, you are more than likely town. 3.) I had no other real reads, I just put town as a placeholder. I still think ksc is more scummy than SL in that argument. 4.) damdred is more than likely town as is Prob. ok so 1) isn't correct in my reading. Artanis's reasoning was pretty solid imo given that you didn't explain what you said in 3 here 3) why the fuck would you call them town if you have no read on them???? wtf i just don't get this dude lmao idc about his #2, i tend to get newer players thinking i'm mafia due to earlygame spam so it means nothing to me either way. he's right about ksc > sl and damd, prob town, but i also feel like those are easy reads rn. shrug | ||
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nah fuck it having a Zen moment. Tormented is a distraction. Yeah I don't get where he's coming from but that doesn't make him mafia. I don't like his posts, but it feels like it's too easy. Like I'm supposed to want to lynch him because I think his content is poor, even though in reality what matters early isn't poor content but the absence of content. We're not lynching Tormented today. Lemme read some more before I go to sleep and see where I'm at | ||
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(1) don't like a couple of his reads. I feel like he has no good reason to be keeping Artie in null and on further reflection, his Tormented and Kelsier suspicions seem too easy (2) it is really odd how he complains about the game direction while (a) having 3-4 townreads and a couple of scumreads who are viable d1 lynches, per his filter, and (b) how he's been one of the more active and involved posters in the thread. I'm not even sure I have as many reads as he does right now (though I could be wrong) and I think the thread direction is fine, as long as the rest of the turn isn't stagnant. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: yamato77 | ||
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On February 25 2015 16:52 yamato77 wrote: you made a towncase and called me mafia for it thanks bud. great response, would not lynch for it ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: yamato77 | ||
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or put another way, if the thread direction is bad, what are you doing about it? | ||
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People I would lynch right now: - yamato obviously - I could lynch Wave, he's in this area where he's posted enough to be seen but he doesn't look like he's really trying to solve things. It's really weird reading his filter; I like his Damdred questioning but as soon as that subthread fizzles out, his posts are just so unimpressive to me - he has a post basically fishing for thread sentiment on lynching Kelsier, and when I asked him why he thought Kelsier's question was suspicious he never replied. Apparent sudden onset laziness culminates in (imo) lazy read of Tronak here. - I could also lynch sicklucker. I liked his intro because it felt like classic town sicklucker to me, but he hasn't been involved in the thread at all since then. I would rather give him one more day since he cited a pretty valid reason for being inactive to this point, but for him inactivity is alignment-indicative, so he's on the table over other people. People I would not lynch: - Artanis - Damdred - Tronak - Tormented - Snarfs - Node - Probulous Unknown pile: - MAYBE Kelsier. I have to admit part of this is associative with sicklucker and Wave, and I'd lynch him over the other people in this list. But I would lynch the 3 in my first list over him. I feel like his play is also distracting and lynchbait rather than mafia, but I could also see where he might take this tack as mafia after replacing into a difficult situation (presuming he is mafia, he replaced into a mafia slot piloted by someone who we had pretty good reason to think was mafia due to inactivity). I'm still undecided on him but I don't think I want him when I could have the top 3. - Shining obviously, kinda hope if he's not gonna end up being able to play that he gets modkilled, but I forget if Blazinghand modkills people for that and I don't feel like factchecking for 3 seconds to find out  I'm probably wrong about at least one of my lynch targets (and by extension one of my not-lynch targets), but I'll have time to figure that out. But the lynch should be among yamato, Wave or sicklucker today IMO. | ||
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On February 24 2015 15:25 WaveofShadow wrote: And such is often the problem I have with newer players (doesn't have to be a complete noob for this to apply). Textbook mafia play often also looks like textbook 'I'm not sure what else to do here' noob play. Now he's voting Tronak for... what? Something that I'd pretty much to the letter call "'I'm not sure what else to do here' noob play." I'd almost rather lynch Wave over yamato. How about that? I like my arguments better for lynching him on further reflection. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: WaveofShadow | ||
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On February 25 2015 22:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Eden how are you so sure that Tormented is a distraction lynch over just, you know, actually being scum? I've established how his thought process makes no sense and no one has come up with a reasonable argument against it. His thought process not making sense isn't alignment-indicative to me. People can be bad at mafia, or I can just not understand a person's thought process. What mattered more to me is that he seemed pretty sincere about what he was saying. It kinda felt like a "checklist" lynch - like we have a list of things mafia tend to do, and the arguments just kinda went down the list and checked things off, without looking for the deeper motivation and context of why Tormented was saying what he was saying. On February 25 2015 22:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also I don't think your wave case is that strong. I pointed out that he was adhering more to thread sentiment already here and he replied that he's changing his meta. I actually feel like he's been probing people's thoughts for the most part in the rest of the game. I also don't think his suspicion of Tronak is contradictory; he could simply find it stronger than the case on Tormented, though I still don't understand why people keep ignoring that case. "Adhering more to thread sentiment" isn't what Wave was doing with Kelsier. He just floats the question out there and does nothing with it afterward. He even said "I think this is a scummy question" and then ignored me when I asked why. That isn't probing people for their thoughts. He kinda did some probing with Damdred which is why I'm a little hesitant (not enough to matter), but after that he just goes on cruise control. And yes, his suspicion of Tronak is contradictory with the quote I provided. He acknowledges a weakness in being able to read new people who say things that are superficially suspicious. A new player says something superficially suspicious. A townie in this situation would question the new player further to understand where that player is coming from, being cognizant of his own weakness in reading and seeking to overcome his bias and find a more accurate read. A mobster in this situation would just vote the guy for contradicting himself and then go "oops, looks like my newbie-reading weakness caught me again, haha!" after the guy flips town. On February 25 2015 21:09 Tronak wrote: About this, Eden what made you abandon your line of scum arguments on Kelsier? Just his case on sicklucker? You considered Yamato a better target? or any other thing I cant arrive to see? I feel I have better targets. I thought HTS was a good lynch since she's never inactive like this, and Kelsier's deliberate obstinacy on entering the game didn't help. But it's difficult for me to tell whether Kelsier's antagonism and obfuscation was from a townie or mafia POV. It's clearly anti-town, but that doesn't make him mafia. I feel I have actual mafia reads on people, so I wanted to give myself some more time to observe him. On February 26 2015 00:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think this post is very townie because the paranoia is very well articulated and omnipresent in everything, as well as having a very clear idea about what to him is acting in the best interest of town and being congruent in it. This in contrast to Tormented for which, I once again repeat, no one has found a viable explanation regarding his sudden shift in thoughts. I agree with your assessment of Tronak, but not Tormented. The thing Tormented said that made me think the core of your case (inconsistent paranoia) wasn't valid anymore is that he used town reads as filler. It sounds like a silly thing to do and nothing about it is exclusively townie, but when he said that, it just struck me as the most plausible answer. Let's consider a mafia mindset when he posts that list. Giving almost everyone a townread is pretty dumb, wouldn't you say? It'd be hard to walk so much of that back, and it's also hard to even substantiate the reads to begin with. Coming out with a reads list on everyone is not something mafia want to do, because they don't want to commit themselves to something so early and especially not on so many people. I'm done with p35, catching up now. | ||
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Kelsier, sicklucker is town. sicklucker, Kelsier is (probably) town. (Contradicting myself from earlier lol much scum!! But he's actually started getting involved and his lines of questioning make more sense to me. He's not today's lynch.) Y'all stop and help me lynch Wave or yamato, prefs Wave. I kinda get this Yoda Zen sense that Artanis might be mafia but I'm not even entertaining it seriously unless/until Wave flips scum. | ||
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Why don't you go ahead and call me mafia if you're gonna spin my arguments with half-baked suspicions like that? | ||
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More half-baked suspicions. That all you got? | ||
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On February 26 2015 05:23 yamato77 wrote: Like, this is the only real read you've given on Snarfs but you've been chainsaw defending him all game by pushing the people who are suspicious of him. Regardless of Snarf's alignment, this makes you look incredibly suspicious. You're an experienced player, right? Because this is a pretty bad read on me, and it's making me think I should just lynch you if this is honestly the best you have. I've substantiated my reasons for why I'm pushing the people I'm pushing. They have nothing to do with defending Snarfs. For you to call it a chainsaw defense requires you to prove that (a) I have an interest in defending Snarfs, and (b) my pushes are the result primarily or exclusively of that interest and cannot be in significant part for other reasons. You can't prove either of those, because I don't have any a priori interest in defending Snarfs, and I've already shown that I'm pushing people because I think they're mafia. | ||
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On February 26 2015 05:37 WaveofShadow wrote: Yup I'm totally leading the snarfs lynch. Hear that damdred? You should totally lynch me because I'm the one pushing to lynch snarfs, amirite? I didn't say you were leading it. Are you even reading my post? yamato voted for Snarfs and wanted to lynch him, you said "I might be cool with this. At the very least I like the post" and then Damdred moves to vote Snarfs too. The thread sentiment was obviously turning toward lynching Snarfs. Why are you being so fucking obtuse about this? What is your goal here? | ||
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On February 26 2015 05:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Lol you literally said I'm turning this onto snarfs. I made it very clear I haven't even read the guy properly and haven't had time, nor have I voted him. If anything you're the one flinging shit right now eden. I said you and yamato (my two scumreads atm) are. You chimed in and essentially voiced some support with a Snarfs lynch without voting for it. Damdred follows in and thread sentiment turns toward it. You are not this fucking dense. | ||
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On February 26 2015 04:45 Eden1892 wrote: Responding to older stuff I missed b/c I overestimated how much time I had before work. I reserve the right to make hilariously blatant contradictions after I read the posts from after I left "Adhering more to thread sentiment" isn't what Wave was doing with Kelsier. He just floats the question out there and does nothing with it afterward. He even said "I think this is a scummy question" and then ignored me when I asked why. That isn't probing people for their thoughts. He kinda did some probing with Damdred which is why I'm a little hesitant (not enough to matter), but after that he just goes on cruise control. And yes, his suspicion of Tronak is contradictory with the quote I provided. He acknowledges a weakness in being able to read new people who say things that are superficially suspicious. A new player says something superficially suspicious. A townie in this situation would question the new player further to understand where that player is coming from, being cognizant of his own weakness in reading and seeking to overcome his bias and find a more accurate read. A mobster in this situation would just vote the guy for contradicting himself and then go "oops, looks like my newbie-reading weakness caught me again, haha!" after the guy flips town. And now who's chainsaw-defending, huh? I just checked your filter, you literally haven't given a read on Wave all game long. Yet as soon as I start pushing Wave you literally make things up (I "don't have a case on Wave" even though I've posted it and quoted it here for you) and start shit flinging without even so much as voting for me. | ||
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On February 26 2015 05:47 yamato77 wrote: Why do you think snarfs is so townie, Eden? First of all, I never said that. I have him as not a lynch today, not "so townie." You obviously aren't even reading my filter, so let me quote the relevant part for you: On February 25 2015 12:50 Eden1892 wrote: It is a low-quality but very sincere read IMO. I think it is a pretty townie thought process, cause I know when I'm town I'm looking for stuff like that, and as mafia I'm looking not to hand out bad townreads that I might want to walk back later. If they're partners then that goes away, but I think Damdred is town, so I'm not really putting any weight on the possibility | ||
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On February 26 2015 05:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Eden you're welcome to toss your vote in the shitter by voting for me today, just know how it makes you look. Your choice, buddeh. It's already on you and I am getting you lynched today Damdred, Kelsier, Artanis, you guys need to look at this. yamato and Wave aren't even trying to figure this game out. Their arguments are fucking awful. We need to lynch one of them, I feel best about Wave but I'll take either. | ||
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On February 26 2015 05:53 yamato77 wrote: I doubt that Wave is mafia. I have my reasons. It's not really necessary to defend Wave because he can do that himself. Not to mention, you're the only person who believes your read and no one takes you seriously. I'm not voting you because the Snarfs lynch is better. You COULD be town, but it's becoming increasingly unlikely. This is fucking stupid. You say I have no case after obviously missing it in my filter, I post it again for you to read, your response is "he's town because reasons, also you're bad lol!" Fuck you I hope we lynch you after Wave | ||
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On February 26 2015 05:54 yamato77 wrote: I already quoted that. You're the one who isn't reading. Then why don't you have a halfway-coherent argument against it? | ||
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On February 26 2015 05:53 yamato77 wrote: You COULD be town, but it's becoming increasingly unlikely. Commit to a fucking read on me you coward | ||
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On February 26 2015 04:45 Eden1892 wrote: "Adhering more to thread sentiment" isn't what Wave was doing with Kelsier. He just floats the question out there and does nothing with it afterward. He even said "I think this is a scummy question" and then ignored me when I asked why. That isn't probing people for their thoughts. He kinda did some probing with Damdred which is why I'm a little hesitant (not enough to matter), but after that he just goes on cruise control. And yes, his suspicion of Tronak is contradictory with the quote I provided. He acknowledges a weakness in being able to read new people who say things that are superficially suspicious. A new player says something superficially suspicious. A townie in this situation would question the new player further to understand where that player is coming from, being cognizant of his own weakness in reading and seeking to overcome his bias and find a more accurate read. A mobster in this situation would just vote the guy for contradicting himself and then go "oops, looks like my newbie-reading weakness caught me again, haha!" after the guy flips town. On February 26 2015 05:44 Eden1892 wrote: Here we are just over 2 hours out from the lynch and Wave, after spending the better half of the last 24 hours on a woe-is-me I'm-so-lost pity party, is content just to fling stupid one-liner shit instead of trying to find mafia. How are we not lynching this guy? (EDITOR'S NOTE 2h3m to lynch: Still not trying to figure anything out.) | ||
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On February 26 2015 05:57 yamato77 wrote: It's not necessary to have an argument against a pathetically weak early game townread that I completely disagree with. The post as a whole is a joke. Probulous was right to point it out, specifically this wishy-washy language on Damdred that essentially says nothing meaningful. How is it pathetically weak and why do you disagree? I said it was a bad read, but it was a sincere one, which is what's more important. You don't lynch people for having bad reads, you lynch people for being mafia. Mafia can have good or bad reads. Town can have good or bad reads. The guy was handing out townreads for weak reasons, why would you do that as mafia when you didn't have to and it might be awkward to walk it back later to lynch the people you townread? | ||
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On February 26 2015 05:58 Snarfs wrote: Eden, could you please stop arguing with yamato and explain the Wave/artanis association? I'd rather not tbh, not a lot of time and it's weak. The gist of it is that Artanis was pretty clearly steering the lynch toward yamato and away from Wave right as I was starting to feel like Wave was the right lynch of the two, and it wasn't convincing. But it's BS unflipped associations until Wave flips scum so I didn't want to waste time on it. Will you lynch Wave with me today? | ||
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On February 26 2015 06:04 yamato77 wrote: I mean, look at this stuff. "you have my sword!!!1!1!" yet he doesn't vote, and follows it up by asking a puffball question. ugh. ...ok, that's actually pretty sensible. I don't agree with your reading him as insincere though. Call me a sucker I guess but I really don't see what he's done that is improbably town. If we just accept that he's not the best townie by TL mafia standards then most of this pretty much disappears tbh. I really need you to tell me why you're so sure Wave is town though before I can consider going anywhere else today. @Snarfs lol no I'm probably not lynching Artanis today. I'm not all that suspicious of him and I don't think there's any traction for that. I really think it has to be Wave | ||
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On February 26 2015 06:10 Snarfs wrote: I got excited when both yamato and I said the same thing about Tormented at the same time. Hence the sword comment. ^c'mon guys, how is that not credible? And holy shit yamato how are you voting this guy when he mindmelded with you on Tormented early in the game. He noticed the same thing you did and posted it at the same time. C'mon | ||
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On February 26 2015 06:15 yamato77 wrote: Really doesn't mean much tbh I have meta reasons but I don't feel like quoting all the stuff I read from his previous games. He's playing how he plays as mafia. As town he's much more direct. Does he have past games in the directory? Fuck it I'll look lol | ||
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On February 26 2015 06:22 Snarfs wrote: lol. I've changed in 2 years, I'll give you that. Now you sound like you're agreeing with yamato's read that your tone/etc. is different from your past town games. Without giving a big life spiel or anything, how would you say you changed such that your game is impacted this way? | ||
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On February 26 2015 06:24 yamato77 wrote: From Nomination: lolol it's the dude's formula. C'mon man, you don't get to call me bad over and over and then post the quotes and call it a "formula" without walking me through it like I'm five. Which is to say I still don't follow.  | ||
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On February 26 2015 04:45 Eden1892 wrote: "Adhering more to thread sentiment" isn't what Wave was doing with Kelsier. He just floats the question out there and does nothing with it afterward. He even said "I think this is a scummy question" and then ignored me when I asked why. That isn't probing people for their thoughts. He kinda did some probing with Damdred which is why I'm a little hesitant (not enough to matter), but after that he just goes on cruise control. And yes, his suspicion of Tronak is contradictory with the quote I provided. He acknowledges a weakness in being able to read new people who say things that are superficially suspicious. A new player says something superficially suspicious. A townie in this situation would question the new player further to understand where that player is coming from, being cognizant of his own weakness in reading and seeking to overcome his bias and find a more accurate read. A mobster in this situation would just vote the guy for contradicting himself and then go "oops, looks like my newbie-reading weakness caught me again, haha!" after the guy flips town. On February 26 2015 05:44 Eden1892 wrote: Here we are just over 2 hours out from the lynch and Wave, after spending the better half of the last 24 hours on a woe-is-me I'm-so-lost pity party, is content just to fling stupid one-liner shit instead of trying to find mafia. How are we not lynching this guy? (EDITOR'S NOTE 2h3m to lynch: Still not trying to figure anything out.) | ||
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On February 26 2015 06:42 Probulous wrote: Man things have changed then. Seems way too easy for scum to just pull out some half-arsed town reads and then sheep them on a mislynch. Hey let's just abdicate responsibility for our vote shall we. Though you would probably have to defend your town reads if it was a mislynch, but that is way easier than scum-hunting. Other guys is this really acceptable these days? It is, but when you're evaluating it you have to be careful about the extent to which the person doing it identified their townreads. I have a pretty big problem with Wave doing it this game when he hasn't exactly been vocal about those townreads this game. The only one I can explicitly identify from filter is yamato and only because I was loud enough about them to make him come out and say it. As a counterexample, in Imperial Mafia (should be still on the 1st page), sicklucker sheeped his townreads onto batsnacks d1 (bats flipped town). I questioned him extensively during n1 to figure out his alignment because he had said some erratic things before and after the lynch that made me suspicious. He identified four townreads before and after the lynch, and after the lynch he named them. I went back and looked and he did clearly call them town and didn't retract. I concluded (rightfully) that he was town, because he had named his reads beforehand, and the likelihood of mafia lucking into four previously-identified townreads all combining on the same player is low. As noted, Wave hasn't really done this, to my knowledge. There's yamato after I pushed him, but that's it afaik. I'll go look to make sure I'm not mistaken but from memory that's it | ||
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- He called Node town because of something he couldn't remember and find for us. Before he voted Snarfs he had never called Node a townread. - No read on Tormented. - Damdred I forgot about, he did come around to Damdred being town. So I mean, that's two, and they were on at the same time. Actually that kinda seems legit... | ||
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On February 26 2015 07:02 Probulous wrote: Has Sicklucker ever been town??? ...bruh I just quoted a game where he has LOL | ||
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On February 26 2015 04:45 Eden1892 wrote: "Adhering more to thread sentiment" isn't what Wave was doing with Kelsier. He just floats the question out there and does nothing with it afterward. He even said "I think this is a scummy question" and then ignored me when I asked why. That isn't probing people for their thoughts. He kinda did some probing with Damdred which is why I'm a little hesitant (not enough to matter), but after that he just goes on cruise control. And yes, his suspicion of Tronak is contradictory with the quote I provided. He acknowledges a weakness in being able to read new people who say things that are superficially suspicious. A new player says something superficially suspicious. A townie in this situation would question the new player further to understand where that player is coming from, being cognizant of his own weakness in reading and seeking to overcome his bias and find a more accurate read. A mobster in this situation would just vote the guy for contradicting himself and then go "oops, looks like my newbie-reading weakness caught me again, haha!" after the guy flips town. On February 26 2015 05:44 Eden1892 wrote: Here we are just over 2 hours out from the lynch and Wave, after spending the better half of the last 24 hours on a woe-is-me I'm-so-lost pity party, is content just to fling stupid one-liner shit instead of trying to find mafia. How are we not lynching this guy? this still eagerly awaits refutation from SOMEBODY ANYBODY PLS RESPOND | ||
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On February 26 2015 07:53 _Tormented_ wrote: ##unvote ##Vote Artanis I agree about snarf's post and I agree with his lynch, even if nothing will come of it. why is snarfs town to you | ||
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On February 26 2015 07:56 _Tormented_ wrote: I voted him originally for his post against Node that seemed a pretty big stretch to me, along with not helping find any scum besides that post. I actually liked his recent post with his actual reads, but that is just me. I could just as easily be wrong. ...meh this is actually ok. what did you think was townie about them | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:05 KelsierSC wrote: I think wave is town if that is of interest to anyone reply to my case | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:07 KelsierSC wrote: I don't think sheeping someone when you are confused is scum sided. Dunno, I just like him I guess. His interaction with damdred early on felt pretty good. What about the part where he says he has trouble distinguishing between newbie players not playing well and scum, and the part where all his votes and suspects this game besides Damdred have been newbies he hasn't bothered to dig into | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:13 KelsierSC wrote: yeh well i'm waiting for an answer to that part. You're not going to get one because everyone kept ignoring/shitting on my case until he felt confident he could just afk for the rest of d1 This guy is doing jack shit to figure out the game. He's been "lost" for like a full fucking day now and hasn't done anything to not be lost. He's just sheeping an easy lynch on a new(ish) player he doesn't even explicitly suspect, and before that, even though he admits he has a blind spot for new players vs mafia, he just votes a new player doing newbie things and calls him scum without bothering to dig into whether or not he's actually scum. | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:20 KelsierSC wrote: he said he liked snarfs post I said was it because "he called me and artanis mafia" tormented carried on like "im not calling you mafia anymore..." but the thing is snarf didn't actually call me mafia in his post and he didn't want to lynch me. so tormented didn't even read what snarf wrote. i get where your mind is, but that doesn't mean what you think it means you implicitly asserted that he thought you were mafia. his comment was to correct your implied assertion | ||
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On February 26 2015 04:45 Eden1892 wrote: "Adhering more to thread sentiment" isn't what Wave was doing with Kelsier. He just floats the question out there and does nothing with it afterward. He even said "I think this is a scummy question" and then ignored me when I asked why. That isn't probing people for their thoughts. He kinda did some probing with Damdred which is why I'm a little hesitant (not enough to matter), but after that he just goes on cruise control. And yes, his suspicion of Tronak is contradictory with the quote I provided. He acknowledges a weakness in being able to read new people who say things that are superficially suspicious. A new player says something superficially suspicious. A townie in this situation would question the new player further to understand where that player is coming from, being cognizant of his own weakness in reading and seeking to overcome his bias and find a more accurate read. A mobster in this situation would just vote the guy for contradicting himself and then go "oops, looks like my newbie-reading weakness caught me again, haha!" after the guy flips town. | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:27 Probulous wrote: I don't like a Snarfs lynch, he is active trying and willing to be wrong. Artanis is spammy as hell but so are others and he has been pushing his tormented case all game. He is at least active and trying to find scum. Wave has done absolutely nothing all game despite being asked for it. Many times. He wasn't a lynch target so he just AFKs. Classic scum. thank you | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:28 yamato77 wrote: He didn't just AFK, he has a fucking job and a family dude wtf ...ok? so does everyone else here ...well, mostly i guess? point being, RL shit happens to everyone. that's not really an excuse for repeatedly saying "damn i have to reread this game it's so hard" for an entire day and then not getting anything done like if some irl issue or w/e has been keeping him from being able to do it, i would have figured he would mention it by now? | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Holy shit Wave's filter since the Damdred push is terrible. FUCKING HELL I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOREVER | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think I still prefer a Snarfs lynch over a Wave lynch. I just find it hard to imagine he wouldn't know who his main suspect is voting for and suspects if he actually put any effort into reading the filter whatsoever. I feel like Wave's play can be explained more easily by playing bad than Snarfs can. lol so one mistake made by a newer player in a moment of forgetfulness is hard to explain away (see look I already did it) but an entire half-turn of filter of utterly nothing good is just "playing bad"? artanis pls | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You don't just "forget" to be paranoid. Either you're paranoid or you're not, it isn't a goddamn choice. lol I actually misread what Snarfs was doing But it's even more clearly explained by him being town actually. He said he was making the point that you spent a lot of time on yamato this turn for being "tunnelled on Tormented." That's not a slip or even bad play, it's a fucking rhetorical point. Come on man. | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It should be a memorable event if you're accusing someone of being mafia the entire day. One would expect a bit more knowledge over their top suspect that they've had the entire day. this post is so fraudulent are you kidding me you're clearly out to punish this guy for something that doesn't even mean anything and not reading with an open mind at all | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:46 yamato77 wrote: Like, what mafia posts this? I don't think Wave would do this as mafia. Srsly. i... don't see what's alignment indicative about it? seems like you'd basically read it however you were already reading wave | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I thought you were talking about tormented again for a second. That can't be the case since apparently he didn't even know who I was voting. What you're suggesting means he either didn't believe I was tunneling tormented (in which case he isn't reading the thread), or he believed that I wasn't tunneling Tormented since I voted on and talked about Yamato (in which case, why did he say he couldn't remember who I was voting for?) the bolded is correct, and he asked the question in jest he's explained this repeatedly and it makes perfect sense to me. really not sure i can help you much here | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:49 KelsierSC wrote: I thought the case by Artanis was that yamato withdrew from Tormented for a bad reason Eden why did you misrepresent his case? what are you talkin about? i'm explaining what snarfs was saying | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:49 yamato77 wrote: eden is still mafia guys seems legit | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:52 KelsierSC wrote: so snarf was misrepresenting artanis's case. then ...maybe? or he misunderstood? or maybe he got it completely right and you're misinterpreting it one way or another? that part doesn't really concern me b/c i think snarfs is town my point here is that Artanis is pretty much committing to lynching Snarfs over a rhetorical question that, when read properly, is insanely obviously not the "not-reading slip" that Artanis wants it so desperately to be | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:54 Damdred wrote: God... I don't know what to do that legacy post by staffs was good though stay with me on wave | ||
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we're getting the right level of resistance for a d1 wagon, wave hasn't done anything really useful in a day now, my case still hasn't had any rebuttal of any significance from the people who have been saying wave is town this is a mafia lynch. we got this. stay with me | ||
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"he did it because he knew it would work" or he did it cause he's town geniuses vote wave no one has refuted my glorious case | ||
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wave is the lynch today stick with this guys | ||
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On February 26 2015 04:45 Eden1892 wrote: "Adhering more to thread sentiment" isn't what Wave was doing with Kelsier. He just floats the question out there and does nothing with it afterward. He even said "I think this is a scummy question" and then ignored me when I asked why. That isn't probing people for their thoughts. He kinda did some probing with Damdred which is why I'm a little hesitant (not enough to matter), but after that he just goes on cruise control. And yes, his suspicion of Tronak is contradictory with the quote I provided. He acknowledges a weakness in being able to read new people who say things that are superficially suspicious. A new player says something superficially suspicious. A townie in this situation would question the new player further to understand where that player is coming from, being cognizant of his own weakness in reading and seeking to overcome his bias and find a more accurate read. A mobster in this situation would just vote the guy for contradicting himself and then go "oops, looks like my newbie-reading weakness caught me again, haha!" after the guy flips town. | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:58 Probulous wrote: Damn you Tronak. We got scum on this wagon people. doesn't mean wave isn't mafia last second bus cred is a real possibility stick with this lynch c'mon | ||
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prob is prob (haha) right about there being mafia on that wagon | ||
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On February 26 2015 09:00 yamato77 wrote: I told you guys eden/snarfs +1 go read any of my mafia games and get back to me on this theory | ||
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On February 26 2015 09:01 KelsierSC wrote: if we have a vigi just shoot snarfs then we can clear up d2 better. ehhhhhh i still like snarfs for town but this isn't a bad vig shot just to make d2 more playable. so yeah I can see it | ||
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On February 26 2015 09:02 yamato77 wrote: tormented is town hey i think i agree with this! | ||
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On February 26 2015 09:03 Damdred wrote: Shooting Sl is the best idea. Which is what I would do if I was vig also think this guy is town also think he's a good vig candidate | ||
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pretty sold town: me damdred yamato kelsier probulous think they're town but can't be arsed to argue it much rn: snarfs tormented think they're town but don't deserve my defense: sicklucker so that leaves me with the pile of node, tronak, shining and artanis. i just hope we get through the lynchbait in snarfs/tormented/sicklucker in time to get to the good stuff here | ||
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On February 26 2015 09:37 KelsierSC wrote: Honestly in your shoes I might have lynched Wave aswell. From someone new to the thread and maybe someone new to the game I can see how he looks like a "textbook mafia" candidate, especially with lots of people voting on him. I'm not holding that against you. Eden should probably know better though. this right here is complete bullshit I posted my case for four fucking hours before EOD and not ONE of you clowns could be bothered to talk me out of it. I asked Yamato to tear it apart, I asked you to engage it, I asked people several times to do something about it and not one single fucking person stepped up. What the FUCK else am I supposed to do but vote the guy I think is mafia?! | ||
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On February 26 2015 09:42 KelsierSC wrote: I guess no one thought it was a good case until apparently the last 10 minutes when everyone thought it was good enough to vote on. there was like an hour where people started coming out of the woodwork to sheep my case. if you couldn't give enough of a rat's ass to refute any aspects of my case when you had the chance, you don't get to act high and mighty about me being wrong, because you're just as culpable for the mislynch as I am. end of discussion | ||
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On February 26 2015 09:29 KelsierSC wrote: i understand this is a newbie game so I sort of understand why d1 was such a cluster fuck of scum like I could happily lynch anyone of this lynch right now. SL, Tronak,Eden,Tormented,Node, Shining, snarf your list literally consists of everyone i don't confidently townread + me how the fuck does that make any sense to you | ||
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the fact that you want to lynch into (a) my suspects and (b) the people i think are town but have to admit are probably also decent to good lynches/vig kills should really tell you something about my alignment if you're town | ||
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On February 26 2015 09:46 KelsierSC wrote: what? I said wave was town, I said sheeping a town read isn't scum indicative. You voted and made the case on WoS and didn't get suspicious when people came out the woodwork to vote on it. was never a part of my case and i got a slight bad feeling about all the people coming out of the woodwork, but i had been given no compelling reason not to lynch wave and no one had bothered to refute what i felt were compelling reasons to lynch wave. i ask again, what the fuck else did you expect me to do? | ||
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On February 26 2015 09:49 KelsierSC wrote: main thing going against you is you lead a lynch on a town so you'll excuse me if I don't give you an instant town read at this point. not alignment-indicative stop being a donkey | ||
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On February 26 2015 09:50 KelsierSC wrote: is this a way of saying "what do you want from me?" The case on snarf was much better so that would probably have been a good place to vote instead. s0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0 much better that somehow no one could be arsed to prove it against the one guy who was vocal about wave the whole way i can't stand this stupid fucking mindset. how nice and easy it must be to sit back, not engage people who disagree with you or try to convince them of anything, and then tear them down if they're wrong. do you care more about being right about wave or actually winning this fucking game? i can't tell right now | ||
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Tbh I already wanted to lynch Artanis for being a complete donkey about the Snarfs rhetorical question. If I hadn't been a donkey myself we prolly switch off Wave onto him I would lynch Artie rn Node is ok too because he afk'd and also that sweet sweet RNGesus read I'm still not sold on sicklucker though | ||
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On February 26 2015 23:54 KelsierSC wrote: Btw Eden sorry about last night. I was tired and cranky Lol you're good man. It's a heated game, god knows I've said some rude shit this game. No worries bruh | ||
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On February 27 2015 03:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Near the end he was mostly shouting that wave is town. Easily | ||
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Horn of Africa broke it and if I'm NOT nk'd tonight it will drop to only 50% of town games | ||
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On February 27 2015 05:14 Tronak wrote: Completly untrue: -Long 8hours passed since the moment you stopped writing in thread (assuming you pushed until last minute) -You didnt push Yamato or Tormented at all from the moment you came back up to EOD. -And you didnt push Snarfs at all, you defended from his post, read him scum for his weak accusation on you and you voted him. So you dint push anyone at all during your last 10-11hours of D1 game.  | ||
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On February 27 2015 05:42 KelsierSC wrote: I actually think yamato was ok end of day. He did put pressure on snarf from what I can see so I don't know why you guys lied about that. I don't think anybody lied. I don't even think we were inaccurate. The question was what he did MORE of and easily it was calling Wave town | ||
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I prob wouldn't lynch prob tomorrow but that's because I think Artanis is mafia | ||
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- Artanis has been woefully unproductive this game - Node has one pg of filter full of obvious misrepresentations of other players and didn't care at all about the d1 lynch, parking his vote on Snarfs really early and not bothering to check back and see what had happened in the thread since - sicklucker's chronic inactivity is alignment-indicative I'm starting to think | ||
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On February 27 2015 08:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Alright I'm here for a bit before scum shoots me. Any questions? LOL get out | ||
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On February 27 2015 08:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote: They've got a lot of history, so if I believe Yamato is town and he's calling Wave town with nigh on certainty I do give that a decent amount of weight. wow much committal very firmness many hard work wow | ||
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On February 27 2015 08:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I guess you could get shot if they're medic dodging. gottem | ||
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I'd lynch Node too. Artanis still isn't doing anything interesting or worthwhile. Damdred pointed out something pretty good I think - Artanis was suspecting yamato and said Wave's filter was bad, so why would he suddenly read them both town and go on Snarfs? Coupled with the fact that his push on Snarfs was terrible, I'm not seeing how this guy can be town. He's a better town player than this. Unproductive, questionable vote movements near EOD, misrepresentation of Snarfs = probable mafia. Node is in a similar place. More obviously unproductive than Artanis; I think I saw one instance where Node did something of his own accord, when he called out Snarfs very early and parked his vote. No questionable vote movement... because there was no vote movement at all, which is itself questionable. More obvious and frequent misrepresentations despite having one pg of filter. This guy is mafia. Idk about a third but I also don't really care about a third right now, these two are good enough starting points. | ||
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On February 27 2015 09:07 sicklucker wrote: I have some night actions to report later how much later | ||
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Ok SL thanks for sharing | ||
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On February 27 2015 12:46 The Shining wrote: Eden - null Node/Fecal - was scum, back to null WTF at both of these | ||
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On February 27 2015 07:32 Eden1892 wrote: Cliffs: - Artanis has been woefully unproductive this game - Node has one pg of filter full of obvious misrepresentations of other players and didn't care at all about the d1 lynch, parking his vote on Snarfs really early and not bothering to check back and see what had happened in the thread since - sicklucker's chronic inactivity is alignment-indicative I'm starting to think | ||
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On February 27 2015 09:24 Eden1892 wrote: Down to 50% btw I'd lynch Node too. Artanis still isn't doing anything interesting or worthwhile. Damdred pointed out something pretty good I think - Artanis was suspecting yamato and said Wave's filter was bad, so why would he suddenly read them both town and go on Snarfs? Coupled with the fact that his push on Snarfs was terrible, I'm not seeing how this guy can be town. He's a better town player than this. Unproductive, questionable vote movements near EOD, misrepresentation of Snarfs = probable mafia. Node is in a similar place. More obviously unproductive than Artanis; I think I saw one instance where Node did something of his own accord, when he called out Snarfs very early and parked his vote. No questionable vote movement... because there was no vote movement at all, which is itself questionable. More obvious and frequent misrepresentations despite having one pg of filter. This guy is mafia. Idk about a third but I also don't really care about a third right now, these two are good enough starting points. | ||
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you can't possibly think i'm not town at this point. townies mislynch all the time and my reasoning for lynching Wave was great | ||
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those points don't just disappear because someone replaced in | ||
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This game keeps getting easier by the minute. We lynchin Artie right? | ||
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On February 27 2015 16:23 The Shining wrote: I think I'll go ahead and push SL's null read to town, too. Eden is still null, but now only because you seem to really want me to town you, which makes me want to be that much more stringent with my read. Yamato didn't help my scumread on him one bit, still looking forward to Artanis coming back. Think I could actually go yamato over Artanis if he doesn't change his stance on the game. i'm just at a loss as to how my innocence is even in question to anyone at this point. my pursuit of your read is entirely intellectual curiosity, i read you town so idgas what your read is on me from the standpoint of figuring out the gamestate i think yamato is probably not the right lynch today. i don't really get why he's on tilt over sicklucker rn but this isn't a mafia meltdown to me | ||
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On February 28 2015 05:11 Fecalfeast wrote: Responding to the bolded only: lolololololololololol You really think I'm gonna read 70 pages and analyze them all? I'll read filters when i have time and give reads when asked. I'm phone atm but will be home later. Why in God's name did you replace in with no intention of catching up?? Ugh | ||
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Shining is definitely town, like I mentioned before I coached a game where he was mafia. His level of investment and involvement today trumped his level of investment and involvement in the entirety of that whole game. Snarfs still seems pretty townie to me. Tronak looks good today, Tormented I couldn't even remember beyond thinking he was a distraction lynch d1. Also still think Kelsier, yamato and Probulous are town but wish they would do more today. Also also thinking SL is town. I'd guess that I'm either wrong about one of Kelsier/yamato/Probulous or that one of Tronak/Tormented is the last mafia | ||
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On February 28 2015 06:02 sicklucker wrote: You dont think yamatoes mafia my wife? i missed when this happened and nah idk man. seemed townie d1? like i said i think there's a good chance i'm wrong about one of kels/yam/prob, so i'll figure that out on d4 or so if i'm around | ||
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On February 28 2015 06:19 Fecalfeast wrote: You're telling me off for not wanting to read but you're not planning to reconsider anything until D4? ok no dummy, I'm lynching Artanis and then you first | ||
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On February 28 2015 06:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Oh hai. Planned session is discontinued. Normally Capoeira gives me energy, but today it was actually exhausting. Would recommend the sport though, it feels pretty great. However, I'll tell you the plan for tomorrow. Everyone votes for me and that doesn't change unless I become a universal townread. We treat me as green and start bouncing reads back and forth on the rest of all the players. We don't discuss whether we lynch me or not unless EVERYONE thinks I'm town. If I'm mafia, it's all wifom but no harm done. If I'm town, you'll have a lot of good reads from someone who is now confirmed town. Sound good? ...sort of? why would we lynch you if we're supposed to treat you as green? haven't you never been mislynched before or something? where's the fight to stay alive? | ||
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On February 28 2015 07:09 The Shining wrote: Does this mean you're already lynching FF regardless of Artie's flip and the info it could give us? no but it's hard for me to imagine that Artanis's flip means much for Nodefeast's alignment those 2 are my clearest lynches | ||
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No? ok we lynch him lol | ||
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On February 28 2015 16:43 Tronak wrote: What were you thinking about Artanis's reply at this moment Eden? same as I used just later or...? i don't remember now lololol | ||
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On March 01 2015 03:33 Tronak wrote: ##unvote ##vote Fecalfeast why have you forsaken me | ||
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On March 01 2015 05:52 The Shining wrote: So Artanis is set to be lynched right now. What happened to this Tronak that has been suspicious of Artanis "before everyone" except maybe Tormented? He just sheeped a Prob case onto FF(to get off the Artanis mislynch?) after saying he won't change unless Artanis shows he is town. Has Artanis done this, Tronak? lol ninja'd by like 10 mins this is what i get for playing smash and trying to read zzz | ||
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On March 01 2015 06:26 Tronak wrote: I mean this post: Can anyone give me his experienced opinion? Would Artanys use his "flu" in his /afk prelynch defense? How do you read the rest? he's very probably telling the truth and it means nothing about his alignment | ||
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On March 01 2015 07:34 The Shining wrote: That was very general, Snarfs. Would you like to read my filter and the multiple posts saying I didn't like how fast his wagon gained traction and wanted to hear his defense before pulling the trigger on him and then ask that question again? why does the speed of the wagon matter? also we still lynchin artie rite | ||
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(1) Disappearing/not trying to solve the game after d2, including dropping/failing to pursue multiple scumreads for no reason. He dropped his scumread on me and didn't push it at all, instead allowing me basically to decide the lynch, and he keeps saying Snarfs is in his mafia group without actually engaging Snarfs at all or putting any work in to get Snarfs lynched. If he's no longer suspecting either of us, cool, but then he didn't try very hard to find other suspects, either. (2) The way Artanis was willing to switch to yamato near the end of d1 but then somehow found a way to vote with yamato on Snarfs, and then the way Artanis dropped his read on yamato without giving any reason, makes it plausible that Artanis was busing a partner. This doesn't actively prove yamato is mafia, but addresses one significant potential argument for his innocence (namely Artanis trying at some point to get yamato lynched). (3) I still maintain my d1 observation that yamato complaining about the thread direction while he was actively involved in deciding it, and when it was basically completely as you'd expect him to want it given his reads at the time, probably makes yamato mafia. I don't understand why a townie who is involved in the thread and who has successfully gotten thread sentiment more or less in line with his reads could possibly complain about the thread direction. | ||
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Ironically I think my other lynch right now, if neither yamato nor Kelsier, would be Tormented. Artanis would hard bus like that in some circumstances, so it's not impossible. And I distinctly remember several other players (Tronak, Shining, Snarfs, Fecalfeast) really trying today to figure the game out, so by POE there's a decent shot Tormented is mafia. One thing I'd definitely encourage people NOT to do is to write off Tormented as a possible partner for Artanis; when you see how Artanis was ultimately pretty easily swayed off of killing Tormented d1, the fact that Artanis "went hard after him" (not really) doesn't mean much at all. And yeah I put Fecalfeast in that list, he's been working reasonably hard for someone who replaced 70 pgs in. I'm still worried about his slot though, just because Node's filter screams red to me. He's in my second tier of possible lynches after yamato/Kelsier/Tormented. I don't think I would ever lynch Snarfs, Tronak, Shining or sicklucker. Probulous I keep getting a nagging feeling about since he also dropped off, but I've liked what he's done when he's been around, more or less. So that's more or less where I'm at. Lynch into yamato/Kelsier/Tormented, I would almost guarantee one of them is mafia. Don't ever lynch Snarfs, Tronak, Shining, sicklucker. Make Probulous and Fecalfeast consistently bleed town and we probably have this. | ||
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On March 01 2015 14:19 _Tormented_ wrote: Also, lets be real, how likely is it that a veteran mafia player would act like Kelsier did with the Artanis lynch knowing that Artanis would flip scum? As you said, brazen would be a good word. Also, do you expect to live through the night? I looked back and it seems you pretty much are always dead by the end of night 2 in mini mafia when you are town. I would be insulted if I were alive to play to d3 I'm kind of insulted I wasn't nk'd since I was right about Artanis tbh | ||
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On March 02 2015 00:44 _Tormented_ wrote: @Eden you say yamato bussed, but I find it much more likely that someone like you bussed when you very quickly dropped your vote on artanis day 2 and then disappeared for the rest of the day saying you didn't need to think again until day 4. A day might I add that you rarely if ever make it to when you are town. I agree with kel that yamato does not feel like a bus to me. If you were so certain that artanis was mafia, why not try and make sure that happens? Then when artanis flipped, you were again very quick to lead the discussion and point the finger at yamato. For someone who sends so certain again, your reasons for yamato are vague at best. artanis was lynched. wtf else did i need to do to "try and make sure that happens"? i got like 4-5 people on the wagon i wanted immediately, and there was never a significant counterwagon. then most of the people i wasn't sure about decided to start talking and solve the game. staying back and watching them work without distorting their behavior with my presence was a great call since i got several townreads from it that i wouldn't otherwise have and i didn't say i "didn't need to think again until day 4," i said i wasn't going to have to worry much about a certain player (don't remember who) until d4, because at the time i had my d2 and d3 lynches more or less decided (artie and node). notice that in the meantime i changed my mind on fecalfeast being my next lynch, so obviously i'm already thinking again what are you doing here? maybe artanis DID bus you | ||
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On March 02 2015 01:49 KelsierSC wrote: So if.we have a vigi that held his shot. We can discuss shooting tonight. Currently it stands at 7-2 If you no shoot. 6-2 Mislynch 5-2 Nk 4-2 Ml 3-2 Nk Mafia wins Mafia can win with two mislynches. If you shoot wrongly 6-2 5-2 Ml 4-2 Nk 3-2 Ml Mafia wins Essentially whether you don't shoot or shoot wrong today mafia wins with the same number of mislynches. But you have a chance to shoot right and it lowers the number of townies you can potentially mislynch. Therefore vogi shoot your strongest scum read tonight your math is wrong but your conclusion is (mostly) right vig should always shoot my biggest scumread plz | ||
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On March 01 2015 17:49 yamato77 wrote: loleden they didn't kill you because they knew your reads were bad so bad i caught mafia, what a scrub what happened to your scumreads on me and snarfs and where are you at right now | ||
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On March 02 2015 00:05 KelsierSC wrote: I'd probably look into probulus and sl again. SL did try to get the lynch away from artanis but his reason didn't make sense to me. Like artanis is more likely to show himself town later or something. Probulus I need to read again. I had him as a scumread n1 but really couldn't be fucked yo play the game d2 with the replacement. Eden as for tormented. Artanis can push on tormented. But it is highly unlikely that tormented , as a newbie. Would bus artanis. Much more likely he finds a reason to call him town. I dont know about Yamato, I think artanis being lynched wasn't a forgone conclusion and he was very vocal about the lynch. I'd have to read him again but it doesn't feel like a bus to me. Again this makes me wonder. About SL who is happy to go along with your idea Artanis being lynched was a pretty foregone conclusion imo. And it's a little odd to me that yamato was only vocal about lynching Artanis after it was. His vote goes on within 4 hrs of EOD and he doesn't start saying stuff like "we're killing Artanis today" until the last 40 or so minutes of the day. I am reasonably certain he is mafia | ||
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On March 02 2015 04:57 Tronak wrote: Out for dinner. I'll be back and willing to share thinkings with others. Where is Prob btw? Good question. I really need to see more production from him. The more time passes without it the more I start to think he should be scanned | ||
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if I die: - lynch yamato - make Kelsier and Probulous bleed town like they did when they were active later in d1 - figure out Tormented - don't lynch Snarfs, Shining, Tronak, sicklucker and PROBABLY not Fecalfeast UNLESS you'd otherwise lynch into the no-lynch list | ||
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On March 02 2015 09:00 Tronak wrote: I gonna lynch FF no matter what, GL Eden lynch yamato instead come on man | ||
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On March 02 2015 09:00 Tronak wrote: I gonna lynch FF no matter what, GL Eden gotta say this is weird if i do get nk'd though am i that certainly the nk? | ||
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On March 02 2015 08:58 Eden1892 wrote: - lynch yamato - make Kelsier and Probulous bleed town like they did when they were active later in d1 - figure out Tormented - don't lynch Snarfs, Shining, Tronak, sicklucker and PROBABLY not Fecalfeast UNLESS you'd otherwise lynch into the no-lynch list | ||
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On March 02 2015 09:11 Fecalfeast wrote: Eden, talk to me about tronak. I am with you on yamato Look at how hard this guy started balling d2 when there was basically nothing going on in the thread. He was a question mark among several question marks to start the day and then he tried pretty hard (imo) to figure out the game throughout the day. His 4th pg of his filter onward is all really good to me (it's about when d2 starts). I don't have time to post specifics cuz MTG in a bit but I think if you read it you'll see what I mean | ||
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On March 02 2015 09:12 sicklucker wrote: He had alot of townreads and he was one of the first votes on artanis it makes some sense im just curious why eden wasint killed. wait don't say it was a... MEDIC DODGE?!?! I HAVE TRANSCENDED MEDIC DODGE TIER | ||
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I turned a matchup that I always struggle with (my Abzan vs GR Devotion) into a rout. I've owned a playset of Gameseize for 3 hrs and it's already stolen me 3 games | ||
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On March 02 2015 11:31 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm not 100% up to date with standard but if they reprinted thoughtseize I don't have to even look at the t1 decks to know it's a mainstay in any deck with black. Do you play EDH at all? literally playing my first edh game right now power level is too high for me to deal | ||
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On March 02 2015 11:53 yamato77 wrote: /headdesk hi why am i not supposed to lynch you today | ||
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On March 02 2015 12:17 Fecalfeast wrote: Either you witnessed a lucky-as-fuck turn one play or you are learning why there are so many differently named board-wipes. Basically, now that this turn 1 happened in real life, all of my friends and I have this combo in every possible EDH deck + Show Spoiler [Turn 1] + the fact that there a bunch of uniquely-named board wipes as answers to the power level of other spells reinforces the point - compared to standard, everything feels OP. it's like i'm playing yugioh or something On March 02 2015 12:19 The Shining wrote: Yo, FF, Eden. No disrespect but there are so many other places you can have this conversation. Why hell are you two fluffing/spamming up the thread? -1 why aren't you doing anything interesting enough to make me stop talking about magic? | ||
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On March 02 2015 12:25 The Shining wrote: Why are all the vets either refusing to play the game or spamming? i left you a treasure trove of amazing posts to get starry-eyed over in the last 4 hrs. there's plenty of playing going on you should direct this question to yamato who checked in just to be fake-annoyed | ||
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On March 02 2015 12:28 The Shining wrote: I didn't realize it was MY job to make you guys play or scumhunt. what do you even want right now? do you think i'm mafia? vote me and make me care do you want my reads? i've posted like a champ since around 5:30 PM CDT today, check that out do you want to talk mtg? join in do you want to talk about someone else who i didn't mention in my reads? ask me about them | ||
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##VOTE: yamato77 | ||
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On March 02 2015 13:54 The Shining wrote: So Eden gives me 4 options after asking what I want. I ask what I want and no more MTG spam or response. Sadness. FF, I wasn't trying to be a thread Nazi but I was just putting out valid reason for why I was attacking the convo. I don't want to be accused of discouraging convo but there are newbies this game. I guess I'm afraid someone will come back to thread with a question or thought or read, try to see where thread direction is headed, get lost in the spam and come back later. And that time could be crucial to analyzing that person's question/thought/etc. I went back to MTG Lol Getting back to you now | ||
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On March 02 2015 12:43 The Shining wrote: OK then Eden. We lynch yamato, I'm pretty onboard with that tbh, have been for a bit. Kels and Prob. Kels is no longer playing, do you intend on judging the slot off of Kelsier's large but fluffed filter or Onegu? Probulous is still MIA, thoughts on what I implied about his case on FF? Tormented - with his few posts at Day Start, any change in read? Pretty much onboard with your don't Lynch list, too, with the exception of FF for reasons I've mentioned before. But he is lower on the list than he was when I voted him. I'm judging the Kelskynegu slot on all 3 players' efforts put together. I'd probably give the bulk of the analysis to Kelsier for pretty obvious reasons, but I'm secretly hoping Onegu will spew glorious townie vibes so I can call the slot town and coast I don't know what I think about what you said about Probulous's case on FF because I didn't read Probulous's case on FF enough to remember it well enough to evaluate your comment about it. (I remember it happening so I must have read it, but I definitely didn't pay any attention to it.) I will however go back and read it and assess your comments from there. If you're saying his case didn't have to come from town, I'm open to him being mafia, so I'm predisposed to agree Not really any change in read on Tormented. Confession, I was kinda hoping I would die and y'all would figure him out instead. I can't tell if his paranoia about me is genuine or not; if he weren't a newer player I would think it's manufactured, because I think I should be pretty obviously town by now, but he's attacking basically all the lines of argument I would expect from a paranoid newer townie ("you never live to d3 and yet here you are" comes to mind in particular). If I had to change that list I would flip Fecalfeast and sicklucker's spots on it. Actually... sicklucker, were you roleblocked last night? | ||
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I think it's literally "Node said bad stuff" plus "Fecalfeast did something that I can interpret in multiple ways but interpreted the way that makes him look worst" plus "I'm ignoring the bulk of what Fecalfeast did d2 which includes trifling trivialities like trying to solve the game and actually looking townie" I agree with your characterization Shining, I'd say it's pretty clearly not something that has to come from townie POV. That plus him dropping off the face of the Earth really makes me want to lynch him. Really I just want three of Yamato, Kelsier, Tormented, sicklucker and Probulous to be blues or obvtown or something so we can POE this Probulous would be a good lynch as would basically that whole list except SL | ||
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On March 02 2015 14:55 yamato77 wrote: pretty much has to be 2 of shining/probulous/sicklucker do you plan to explain any of these reads you're giving | ||
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On March 02 2015 15:04 yamato77 wrote: everyone else is probably town mafia shot snarfs (lolwtf) meh yamato plz | ||
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I have some reading to do | ||
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probulous wagon is fine by me, but i don't think shining is the partner here ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: Probulous | ||
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On March 03 2015 08:53 _Tormented_ wrote: isn't blue hunting a pretty scummy thing to do? not inherently | ||
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lol "if" cool we're never lynching sicklucker unless/until blue cc's so the pool I have left is probulous kelskynegu like i really think shining, tronak, fecalfeast, yamato and tormented are town now. i've liked yamato's posts a lot since he started trying to play and i actually agree 100% with his read on tormented on further reflection if i'm wrong on either of probulous or the lernaean hydra slot then i probably just sheep yamato onto fecalfeast or shining because my view of the game state is fucked but i'm really not thinking i'm wrong. probulous dropping off the face of the earth completely while everyone else is doing townie things = v. likely mafia, hts's inactivity = likely mafia, onegu's inactivity = likely mafia. kelsier had some townie stuff but was also oddly uncooperative/unhelpful at times, so it's not unreasonable to think it's him if i am wrong then i'm probably wrong about fecalfeast first b/c node's filter is just that scummy. i've been mostly ok with ff's game since he replaced in but if i have to be wrong about somebody... i really really don't think i'm wrong about the other 4 though. i've seen shining's scum game, this is just so much more involved and invested than then. yamato and tormented i commented on | ||
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i do what i want him being confirmed town by way of a claim is good enough to solve the game imo so why not just say it | ||
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On March 03 2015 16:04 sicklucker wrote: Ah well hes got the shittest voting record and hes not even playing so ##vote Probulous mafia | ||
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On March 04 2015 03:28 yamato77 wrote: even if he's town, lynching the modkill is a good play here i was actually thinking about trying to get a "double lynch" by moving to someone else but it's not worth it this late, esp. since probulous can easily just return at any point and not get modkilled | ||
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it's something I'm considering now after that post I wish I could explain exactly what it is about the phrasing but it seems like it's trying and failing to justify a lynch that doesn't honestly need much justification I really wish blues would just out so we can solve this game already | ||
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but I don't think it's wise. literally short of Probulous claiming a blue role I don't think I can justify moving. speaking of, BLUES SHOULD OUT NOW BECAUSE PROBULOUS MIGHT BE A POWER ROLE AND UNABLE TO CLAIM BEFORE HE IS LYNCHED | ||
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On March 04 2015 08:02 sicklucker wrote: Your a shitty deputy then. Jk like if hes a pr nothing we can do but blame him postgame yes there is we have the blues claim and if there are 0-1 claims then we lynch someone else if we get 2 (or 2+ lmao) claims then we just lynch him | ||
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if i die blues had better fuckin out tomorrow | ||
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I hope we have doc. I meant wait to out til day smh | ||
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GODFATHER LOL Oh well works 4 me I guess | ||
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On March 04 2015 10:22 sicklucker wrote: Yamato tormented shining town Lynch everyone else and you win. Im a little suspect of eden because I was sure he was the cop but hes still probably town Yea I was baiting my townread at the time to cc me ???????? Pretty sure we lynch SL tomorrow guys. Him or Onegu | ||
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On March 04 2015 10:49 Tronak wrote: 4) Eden Godfather is an option. No it isn't | ||
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On March 04 2015 17:24 Onegu wrote: Ok yeah I will make my shining case in the morning just finished the filter and really believe that's your final mafia right there. You can thank me for solving the game tomorrow. where is this i'm probably gonna sheep tronak onto you if this doesn't materialize fwiw | ||
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