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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
February 25 2015 00:33 GMT
#509
On February 25 2015 09:29 yamato77 wrote:
So artanis, what exactly do you think of me?

Leaning mafia, but I think the case on Tormented is better.

Reading Cell right now I notice WoS bashing meta. I chuckled.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
February 25 2015 00:43 GMT
#511
Ugh, Cell isn't really comparable since the lynch pool is so limited so thread sentiment becomes much more likely to happen regardless and I tried getting through Guilty but then I realized determining what thread sentiment is pretty hard in hindsight so I guess I'm just gonna have to drop it.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
February 25 2015 12:56 GMT
#605
Honey I'm home!
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
February 25 2015 12:57 GMT
#607
Wave what do you actually think of Yamato?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
February 25 2015 12:59 GMT
#612
On February 25 2015 21:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 21:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Wave what do you actually think of Yamato?

Most likely town

Why? I really don't see it.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
February 25 2015 13:01 GMT
#615
On February 25 2015 21:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh and for someone else for people to think about, probby has flown completely under the radar today after everyone town read him.

Please don't do that, I don't have many town reads to begin with.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
February 25 2015 13:03 GMT
#619
Damdred stop posting whilst driving, you're a traffic hazard
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
February 25 2015 13:05 GMT
#621
On February 25 2015 22:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 21:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On February 25 2015 21:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 25 2015 21:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Wave what do you actually think of Yamato?

Most likely town

Why? I really don't see it.

Feels and some super early game stuff.

Plus the cycle of caring /not caring today fits with his usual town play.

That isn't really helpful for my read, sadly.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
February 25 2015 13:09 GMT
#623
On February 25 2015 22:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 22:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Damdred stop posting whilst driving, you're a traffic hazard

Yeah seriously, haven't you been ticketed multiple times because of that?

And Artanis if that isn't helpful why aren't you voting Yamato with the rest of these guys?

Because I'm not sure yet if he's a better lynch than Tormented. I'm still rereading what's been posted since I went to bed too.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
February 25 2015 13:29 GMT
#631
Reading through I'm pretty sure Eden is town. Case on Tormented then backing away from it based on reflection plus his response to Yamato felt really townie.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
February 25 2015 13:33 GMT
#632
Also Tronak, with how many people suspect Tormented at least some of them have to be town, which means that there is a certain amount of logic on his push that apparently you're not seeing. Is that the only reason you're suspecting me? Where would I place between the suspects you have and why?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
February 25 2015 13:39 GMT
#636
On February 25 2015 22:33 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 22:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Reading through I'm pretty sure Eden is town. Case on Tormented then backing away from it based on reflection plus his response to Yamato felt really townie.


Lol

I'm presuming you're pointing out the supposed irony given I'm scumreading Tormented and Yamato for backing away from that read. It's different though because Yamato made a shit case rather than a good one like Eden did, and then he backed away not because of reflection but because one of his 'question marks' also voted for him.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
February 25 2015 13:42 GMT
#637
On February 25 2015 22:36 Eden1892 wrote:
Ah, one other thing about Wave. Earlier he said this:

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On February 24 2015 15:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 24 2015 15:20 yamato77 wrote:
On February 24 2015 15:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
Am I included it those who 'liked the fact that he asked some questions?' Because I don't think I said anything of the sort. I believe my words were:
On February 24 2015 12:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 24 2015 10:40 _Tormented_ wrote:
@yamato what makes you support Artanis for mayor? Especially without hearing anyone else even lobby for it yet.

This one is curious.

It's typical new player fare.
He's pretty agreeable and gives the public exactly what they want---this works from both mafia and town perspectives for obvs reasons. I'm historically awful at reading new players and this is no exception tbh.



Now I think there's maybe something to it, but
a) all you're doing is basically taking the 'he must be mafia' side of the inconspicuous newbie argument
b) I'm not sure why you think it has more merit than Prob's point that I've latched onto. I don't really see a towny mindset behind Damdred's retraction.

I thought you were describing him as a curious person, not saying that he perplexes you in some way.

Anyway, I didn't say he had to be mafia, I'm just saying that it is textbook earlygame mafia play. He's not a complete noob, either.

And such is often the problem I have with newer players (doesn't have to be a complete noob for this to apply). Textbook mafia play often also looks like textbook 'I'm not sure what else to do here' noob play.

Now he's voting Tronak for... what? Something that I'd pretty much to the letter call "'I'm not sure what else to do here' noob play."

I'd almost rather lynch Wave over yamato. How about that? I like my arguments better for lynching him on further reflection.

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: WaveofShadow

I.. I was townreading him. Do I have to re-eval him too?
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
February 25 2015 13:45 GMT
#641
On February 25 2015 22:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also Tronak, with how many people suspect Tormented at least some of them have to be town, which means that there is a certain amount of logic on his push that apparently you're not seeing. Is that the only reason you're suspecting me? Where would I place between the suspects you have and why?

Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
February 25 2015 13:47 GMT
#642
Eden how are you so sure that Tormented is a distraction lynch over just, you know, actually being scum? I've established how his thought process makes no sense and no one has come up with a reasonable argument against it.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
February 25 2015 13:56 GMT
#643
Also I don't think your wave case is that strong. I pointed out that he was adhering more to thread sentiment already here and he replied that he's changing his meta. I actually feel like he's been probing people's thoughts for the most part in the rest of the game. I also don't think his suspicion of Tronak is contradictory; he could simply find it stronger than the case on Tormented, though I still don't understand why people keep ignoring that case.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
February 25 2015 14:06 GMT
#648
On February 25 2015 22:57 Tronak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 22:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also Tronak, with how many people suspect Tormented at least some of them have to be town, which means that there is a certain amount of logic on his push that apparently you're not seeing.


By his push you refer on his push on Scarfs? or his initial bomb list?

I mean the push on Tormented, which both Yamato and Eden supported at first and Damdred and WoS saw the logic of.

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Is that the only reason you're suspecting me?


My suspect on you, is not based on the target you chosed for your case by it self. Is based on a) I dont feel your arguments are solid enough to read mafia on Tormented b) how your case came in to swtich thread trending.

I don't know the actual vote count right now, but I'm pretty sure enough people have voted him to make it demonstrably wrong that it's a scumtell. Enough people found him suspicious that not all of them can be mafia. As for timing, I would've made the case that night if I were still awake but unfortunately 3am is past my bedtime. I made it as soon as I came back into the thread.

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Where would I place between the suspects you have and why?


You place in list of suspects is a spot occupied only by yourself, reserved for those of my suspects that no other player are pointing out (not true entirely since Scarfs and Yamato pushed you a bit but none of them voted you). And I'll leave you here by now, hoping that either my opinion changes or I'll find better arguments to keep my suspicion alive knowing my actual arguments are seen as "weak".

I don't understand why you aren't pushing it though since as you've mentioned both Yamato and Snarfs have echoed your suspicions, so I ask my question again. Where do I rank between your other two suspects and can you elaborate on why?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
February 25 2015 14:09 GMT
#650
I'm not worrying, I'm trying to figure him out.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
February 25 2015 15:32 GMT
#670
On February 25 2015 23:34 Tronak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 23:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I don't understand why you aren't pushing it though since as you've mentioned both Yamato and Snarfs have echoed your suspicions, so I ask my question again. Where do I rank between your other two suspects and can you elaborate on why?


I cant push something no one believes (Yamato and Scarfs pointed at you but never supported my arguments) based on apparently "weak" arguments. I think this would only disturb town thinking.

You cant be between my other 2 suspects, you are on a side, completly parked for now and by now I mean D1 unless a good case (much better than mine) appears on you.

Cant see why you need more elaboration. Please enlighten me if you really need it. While writing this, I am starting to think you are just testing me now, which brings me to think you are town or a very clever mafia player. Since I believe you are clever and skilled enough to overskill me easyly, by the moment I don't want to dedicate much more time on you, since I would rather focus on my strongest suspects and whatever new starts to boil in the thread.


I think this post is very townie because the paranoia is very well articulated and omnipresent in everything, as well as having a very clear idea about what to him is acting in the best interest of town and being congruent in it.

This in contrast to Tormented for which, I once again repeat, no one has found a viable explanation regarding his sudden shift in thoughts.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
February 25 2015 15:32 GMT
#671
Also I'll be gone for a while leading up to the lynch in like 1h until about 1hour before deadline.
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