EPTVII Titanic Mini Mafia: I Have a Cunning Plan... - Page 16
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On February 20 2015 17:31 ritoky wrote: Who would be the viable alternative to a LS lynch today? I still don't have a firm opinion on VA like you do, so that's troublesome. I'm voting LS either way, and writing a decent case on him, barring something very strange happening. The question is do you think it would help us lynch him if I want HAM on him or would it be better if I let you drive the wagon | ||
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On February 20 2015 17:32 ritoky wrote: I just can't see how LS is not scum from his play. he slipped pretty clearly, he manufactured a read that is a direct contradiction, his defense was bad.....there's just so much there...I can't really see myself voting on anyone else at this point, but if you have a better case or equal one then I am up for hearing it. I don't. I'm discusssing what's our best strategy for getting LS Lycnhed today. Do you get what i'm saying? I'm voting LS 100% but how much I write about him... like it might not be optimal for me to actually write a lot of case on him, you get what I'm saying? People are stupid and dont' trust me | ||
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On February 20 2015 17:34 ritoky wrote: just do a normal case on him, if people can't see it clearly from that point then they're not going to understand it when being beaten over the head with it. k | ||
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On February 21 2015 06:23 Superbia wrote: For the paranoid people, BH can 100% confirm himself tonight by JKing me. Yeah and I'll be shot, which will make me even MORE confirmed! I don't mind that outcome for tonight | ||
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On February 21 2015 06:52 Superbia wrote: I think this is going to happen a 100% tonight anyway. yeah there's no way for me to avoid getting shot as far as I can tell. in fact, I might as well not even submit a JK on superbia, leving him completely unprotected, huehuehue seriously though there's no way I could wifom scum into not shooting me no matter what I say. I'll save you nonetheless though | ||
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So, here's one of Robik's, um, last benedictions? Robik was shot N2 but during N1 he was serious. Later one he gives scumreads of LS, prplhz, damdy and rsoultin. HE was, of course, right about damdy. On February 17 2015 07:13 IAmRobik wrote: LYNCH LS TOMORROW. DO NOT FUCKIGN QUESTION IT. JUST DO IT. I MAY NOT BE AROUND, BUT YOU HAVE ONE FUCKING MISSION AND THAT'S TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PERSON DOES NOT SURVIVE TIL TOMORROW. I MAY OR MAY NOT EXPLAIN WHY IN POSTGAME, BUT YOU JUST HAVE TO TRUST THAT THIS READ IS ACCURATE. PALMAR -- IT'S KINDA LIKE THE READ I GAVE ON YOU IN HEAVYWEIGHT. PLEASE JUST FAITH. On February 20 2015 10:11 IAmRobik wrote: cause people don't fucking listen to me and it's fucking annoying. I made a raelly really really strong meta case for why rayn was town -- you guys lynched him anyway. Both rayn and i are telling you that VA is town...you insist on trying to lynch him. I said that LS was mafia like 3 fucking days ago, and now that someone made a "real case" people are on board. Like what fucking games are you twits playing This is his final post. HE wants LS dead. I would like to note (and this is just for you, dead Robik) that Robik never actually writes a case on LS. Times he mentions LS or LightningStrike are always things like "trust me LS is scum" or "I'll explain later" which is annoying as crap. hmm, if only a confirmed townie had a scumread on LS well, onto the main show I guess, Slam, here's what happened overnight. So, LS and ritoky are talking and LS says this: On February 20 2015 07:13 LightningStrike wrote: I only invalidated it through POE but that was main source you getting being Antitown (SK or Mafia) and also HTS told me pretty much that you started to tunnel her but you didn't seen as agressive you were towards Me or Dr.H in the 2 previous games you were Mafia so you might as well show me your knife. emphasis mine ritoky replies: On February 20 2015 08:59 ritoky wrote: still kinda interested in this. she told you this where? cuz I just went through her filter and the only thing that even comes close to her saying what you said was directed at palmar. in fact she has rarely directly spoken to you at all in the thread. so where did she tell you? cuz if it was a private thing, it was either against the rules or in a qt. So, to be clear here, LS is talking about an interaction that never happened. he and HTS never had this discussion in-thread. I prove this: On February 20 2015 09:26 Blazinghand wrote: so we're trying to figure out when HTS mentions ritoky to LS, right? here are aall mentions of ritoky by HTS: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757501 laugh http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757555 query http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757569 about BH http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757590 asks robik about ritoky read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757604 ask ritoky about read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757610 ritoky null read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757684 asks ritoky about read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757770 considers ritoky's advice implies ritoky is town http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757826 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757836 says ritoky has point re FF http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757848 same http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757863 same http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23759937 same http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23760192 mention suggestion of waiting http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23767701 "i have no idea why ritoky si scumreading me" http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23771535 scumreads ritoky http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23771576 talks about ritoky passivity as town vs scum, and his engagmeent with scumreads, with lightningstrike, sepcifically asking about meta calls out ritoky http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23771590 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23771683 same http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23772322 scumreads ritoky http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23773827 same http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23773869 case on ritoky for "ritoky's bs case" basically defense vs ritoky http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23773990 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23773994 notes ritoky scumread mentions ritoky as scummy http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23774100 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23775355 same http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23777101 same http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23778295 passing http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23780377 scumread on ritoky http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23780629 same http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23780643 passing http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23780646 scumread on ritoky http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23780659 same same http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23781853 calls for bullet on ritoky NO MENTION OF CONVO WITH LS On February 20 2015 09:30 Blazinghand wrote: Truncated quote: So basically, there's only one time in the ENTIRE thread where HtS replies to lightningstrike about ritoky, and that's this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23771576 talks about ritoky passivity as town vs scum, and his engagmeent with scumreads, with lightningstrike, sepcifically asking about meta and it does not line up because there's no mention DrH or the fact that ritoky is less aggressive. She's asking questions: I think this is a fine reason to lynch both LS and HtS Now, people are calling this a "scumslip" case, and it's generally well-known that scumslips don't actually exist, and more townies scumslip than scum. However, this isn't the case of accidentally calling someone town or calling someone the gf when you shouldn't be sure of that, it's not some kind of minor slip thing. It's a reference to a conversation. It's not a weirdly worded phrase, it's a deliberate statement. LightningStrike says, "HTS told me X Y Z and ritoky tunnelling this game" when HTS said NO SUCH THING. There's a number of explanations for this, but the most likely is simply that HTS *did* tell him that and he forgot that the interaction didn't happen in-thread. He first replies with this: On February 20 2015 10:18 LightningStrike wrote: Found it and it was me talking to HTS and which HTS responded to me that's why it might not be in my filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?page=16#309 which is completely unrelated. then he rplies with this: On February 20 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote: Crap wrong post. Here it is: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?page=89#1762 which I had already debunked. LS's immediate reaction isn't "oh, this is what I'm talking about, you guys misinterperted me", his reaction is just to link us to shit that isn't relevant. Like, this is NOT a case of a wording issue, this is a case of LS thinking a conversation happened in this thread when it did NOT. my opponents will tell you this is a simple scumslip case, but it is not a scumslip case. LS doesn't react how someone would if his wording has been misinterpreted. He didn't say "oh, I wasn't claming HTS said that, she didn't say that; I meant that I thought that" or something like that. No, he MEANT what he wrote and we interpreted him fine. | ||
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ritoky VA rsoultin LS palm slam prplhz bh superb FF so we've got 11 alive - 7 town, 3 scum, 1 SK. assuming we lynch a scum and SK and scum both shoot into town, tomorrow will be 5-2-1. if we lynch scum again it's 3-1-1, and if we lynch scum or SK from there it's 2-1 LYLO effectively, assuming the SK only shoots into town, and scum only shoots into town, and we also lynch the entire mafia team before lynching the SK, we are currently at lylo. Now, this is the worst best-case-scenario: it assumes we ALWAYS lynch scum, but lynch in the worst order, and that scum and SK always shoot into town. IF we lynch the SK today (unlikely) or when we're at 5-2-1 (possible) we end up at 4-2 MYLO instead of 3-1-1 LYLO in a couple days. If scum shoots the SK or the SK shoots into scum again, we potentially could end up at 6-2 or 6-1-1 tomorrow if we lynch scum today, or we could fail to lynch scum and end up at 6-3 or 6-2-1 (6-2-1 progresses to 4-1-1 then to 3-1 MYLO). So basically depending on how shots go, we might get another shot at it, but we MUST lynch scum. Even if we lynch the SK last, even if the SK and mafia only ever shoot into town, we are still fine as long as we always lynch scum. In any case, if we do mislynch today somehow (I'm talking to you LS; if you're town pay attention this part. You're not town, but I always extend this courtesy) we're actually still not out of the game. we go into tonight at 6-3-1 and assuming scum and SK shoot into us, we come out of it at 4-3-1. At this point it's very unlikely, but plausible, for town to win. SK will want to lynch scum, and if that happens we go into the night 4-2-1. if the SK shoots at random, he's got a 33% chance of hitting scum and dropping us into 3-1-1 which is LYLO for town. So, I guess what I'm getting at here LS is that if you get lynched and flip town, town doesn't automatically lose. We have a very strong chance of losing, but we don't lose automatically. We can still win in the right circumstance,s and those circumstances rely on being able to lynch scum every day for the rest of teh game. That's where you come in, LS. If you flip town, I promise to read your filter and push your cases. As you die, I will treat you with respect and engage you on reads. Leave behind knoweldge for us, use your coming confirmation (in 24 hours) as a scalpel to cleave apart the scum. AS a townie, you still win if you're dead and the town wins. Be a man and write cases, even if they wont' save you. There's more to life than surviving, sometimes you gotta live. If you're really town: Catch scum and win the game for us, even in death. If you're scum, though, feel free to complain, pretend to be tired, and slink away into the darkness. I won't mind. | ||
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On February 21 2015 08:18 LightningStrike wrote: Every time I try to talk it's like I'm talking to a brickwall so what is the point? WHAT IS THE POINT? I am willing to engage you on topics of conversation and, except for the part where I push you and vote you and get you lynched, I will treat you like a confirmed town player. Ignore the others, if you must, but if you flip town, that doesn't lose the game for us, if we play perfectly and the stars align. So, from your perspective, you're conftown in about a day. Your words carry weight. You're smart, dedicated, and soon you will be utterly trustworthy. Even better, you have one of the best players in this game here to help you think and bounce ideas off of. Let's get to work. | ||
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On February 21 2015 05:24 LightningStrike wrote: Okay let's lynch Slam he seems like his mafia meta from Slytherin this game. He doesn't seem to scum hunt or do his own pushes and wouldn't push any of his reads this game. He's Mafia this game and here's his filter from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477307-slytherin-mini-mafia?user=Alakaslam ##Vote: Alakaslam Hmm, I like where you're going here with slam, to an extent. I'm actually really interested in this, as I have a strong townread on slam this game! I naturally don't question your motivations much as you are conftown, but let's talk reasoning. I'm uh, not sure what exactly you're trying to point me at here in slytherin mafia. I do notice that in Slytherin mafia, slam isn't actually a huge pusher, but he does make some votes. In general though, yeah, his play in slytherin is definitely laconic. I'm not sure his play THIS game really matches up though, you know? Let me show you some of his stuff from this game that has no comparison from slytherin: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23763674 in this post, Slam is actually pretty clear. He shred's TP's post with like, one lucid sentence. Not bad. Note that he also turns out to be right as there's double JK this game. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23773965 this and his two posts after it show some critical thought that I'd not have expected from scum slam. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23778007 though he's wrong here it's a noble attempt. I guess also part of it is that Slam acts like this as town, too, you know? Like yeah he's fooling around a lot but he IS making plays, compared with slytherin where he makes few. | ||
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On February 21 2015 08:42 Fecalfeast wrote: BH since you seem to be dealing with LS more handily than I, is there any legwork you want done? I can dive a filter or two or something. I can handle the slam meta read. If you could do a reread on palmar that would be awesome | ||
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On February 21 2015 08:46 LightningStrike wrote: I think I just got paranoia again from just playing a game with Slam being Mafia >.> I tend to get paranoia when I just played with the player when they were Mafia. But I think prpl or however you spell his seems mafia and I might just build my own case on him but warning I only had 7 hours of sleep >.> That's fine. It's useful to have a comparison point of how Slam plays as town, which is uh, pretty similarly awful to his scumgame and this game btw On February 21 2015 08:32 LightningStrike wrote: Okay had you played with Slam when he was Mafia or remember how played he in Slytherin? If so do you think he's playing his Mafia meta? So I just went over his slytherin filter, when he was mafia. He was town in Carol of the bells: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells he's got a few moments were he calls people out and such, and seems a LITTLE more interested in making cases than in Slytherin, but it's not exactly night and day, you know? A lot of it is just "is he even trying a tiny bit" | ||
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On February 21 2015 08:57 Fecalfeast wrote: Yeah he mentioned he was rbed N1 and I didn't even see that. I'm on it I'm very sure the N1 RB was Town Puppy / Eden's doing. | ||
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On February 21 2015 09:28 Fecalfeast wrote: Regarding the N1 rb situation, how unlikely is it that mafia held the RB and TP jailed you? Do the mechanics behind that even work? fairly unlikely. possible, but unlikely. The idea that mafia would risk NOT rbing me when I might save TP? not plausible | ||
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On February 21 2015 09:53 Fecalfeast wrote: Ugh now I feel like this damdred interaction stuff is pointless if the RB makes him likely non mafia and definitely not sk.. Why would the fact that Palmar was RBed make him not mafia? All it means is that Town Puppy decided to RB him and he accurately reported that fact. | ||
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On February 21 2015 10:43 LightningStrike wrote: When I said flip blue I mean Mafia. yeah the coloring system in this game is hilarious | ||
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On February 21 2015 10:43 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I just reread the flip and discovered Damdred was blue. No wonder Breshke was off and Damdred did look very much his town meta T_T Anyway guys I will present my case tomorrow morning on prplhz being Mafia to make sure I format it right and shit. ok! if possible please try to include your thoughts on someone besides prplhz. I am pretty sure prplhz will be lynched anyways | ||
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YOLO SWAG 420 BLAZE IT! But I really tired and I can't defend myself or make a good case for people to sheep there is no way I can win this for town T_T
