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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
February 07 2015 13:45 GMT
#3441
On February 07 2015 22:45 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2015 22:44 justanothertownie wrote:
On February 07 2015 09:26 rsoultin wrote:
On February 07 2015 09:24 Holyflare wrote:
You're saying we'd be mylo if he shut up but breshke was super suspicious day 1 and a likely lynch

Makes no sense for town to claim at night with rbers tbh


Do mafia shoot mafia? This is a legit question; do you have an instance where scum has made that play, because it seems entirely counterintuitive to me when mafia can just shoot two towns?

Does anyone think this is a genuine question? "Do mafia shoot mafia?" Really? And what does it matter if someone has done that before.
If Breshke is mafia he just shoots town and we are in triple LYLO.

Game mechanics that's all she is asking lol......

Yes, but it is a useless question. It doesn't lead anywhere.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
February 07 2015 13:47 GMT
#3442
Explain your reads jat not why posts are bad
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
February 07 2015 13:48 GMT
#3443
On February 07 2015 12:45 rsoultin wrote:
^ Like, I have no good reason to believe jat is town, and he should be the lynch, but I keep coming back to that and going meh.

I have a reason to not lynch jat. But let's lynch him anyways. Seems legit.
On February 07 2015 12:47 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2015 12:43 rsoultin wrote:
Okay, so forgive me for going back into WIFOM land, but I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around a scum koshi and a scum jat pushing hard for breshke not to shoot...but no rb and no kill. That just makes no sense to me -_-

...if they have no rb then they would very obviously want us not to shoot. Lol

It would be stranger if they were mafia and pushing for Breshke to shoot with no rb. As it is this makes perfect sense. They don't want us shooting so they argue for us not to shoot because that's the only way we don't shoot

If I was mafia with Koshi and we had no rb then we would kill Breshke. What kind of nonsense is this?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
February 07 2015 13:49 GMT
#3444
On February 07 2015 22:47 Breshke wrote:
Explain your reads jat not why posts are bad

I will do that when I am done commenting on what was written since I was gone.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
February 07 2015 13:49 GMT
#3445
Not that the posts I am pointing out don't show that rsoultin is mafia anyways.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
February 07 2015 13:50 GMT
#3446
On February 07 2015 20:47 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2015 13:09 Eden1892 wrote:
On February 07 2015 13:01 rsoultin wrote:
On February 07 2015 12:55 Breshke wrote:
On February 07 2015 12:53 rsoultin wrote:
On February 07 2015 12:47 Eden1892 wrote:
On February 07 2015 12:43 rsoultin wrote:
Okay, so forgive me for going back into WIFOM land, but I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around a scum koshi and a scum jat pushing hard for breshke not to shoot...but no rb and no kill. That just makes no sense to me -_-

...if they have no rb then they would very obviously want us not to shoot. Lol

It would be stranger if they were mafia and pushing for Breshke to shoot with no rb. As it is this makes perfect sense. They don't want us shooting so they argue for us not to shoot because that's the only way we don't shoot


Okay, but even assuming they have no RB...which a 2-shot vig without an RB is kinda lolworthy...why no kill either?


There's a possibility that JAT is town i guess and they thought if i wasn't going to no shoot i would shoot him. Also it could be so we would do this type of speculation. Honestly i came close to not shooting but marv some post from marv made me not want to be a punk about it


Yeah, I guess it's pointless to speculate, especially if that's my only reason for hesitating on JAT.

Really do want to hear why bats is pushing HF though.

Because this donkey town gave him the keys to be perpetually townread by making decisive pushes on people even if they don't make sense

I know the real reason Palmar was shot now.

On January 06 2015 19:48 Palmar wrote:
Tbh, looking at ritoky's post, I could 100% lynch superbia because the guy doing his own thing is almost always mafia.


This guy would have buried batsnacks tomorrow. 100%.

#TrustInPalmar

batsnacks always, ALWAYS, *always* does his own thing as town.

Exactly.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
February 07 2015 13:53 GMT
#3447
I will get a coffee and make my case then. How anyone can believe in a batsnacks/JAT team at this point in the game is a fucking mystery to me.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 07 2015 14:35 GMT
#3448
Much convincing. I'm gonna let you make your case in me before revealing my trap card.

Amusing you are the only one that thinks the nk makes the game so obvious.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
February 07 2015 14:40 GMT
#3449
HF is this trap card something thats worth me atempting to stay awake for
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
February 07 2015 14:43 GMT
#3450
Ok, so first of all HF is one of the best if not the best scum player on this site. You won't catch him for being inactive uninteresting or any of this shit and he will bus teammates who are playing badly. He will say towny stuff from time to time and he is also perfectly able to "mindmeld" with you at times. You need to look for the agenda he is pushing.

This is why he is mafia:

This is the start of his rsoultin scumread day1. From now on she is basically his #1 scumread.
On February 05 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote:
I mean if i'm honest I'm probably more sure about rs than damdy

On February 05 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
yeh rsoul is green when I just gave the best case against her ever

On February 05 2015 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
rs is like the biggest mafia and hardly anyone is mentioning her and goes off making cases on other people instead

On February 05 2015 10:10 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2015 10:07 Eden1892 wrote:
And shit you said Damdred got more townie. So even if rsoultin didn't, it's bullshit that you're telling me you still have a scumread and so you're content with being lazy.


it is what it is, rsoul has literally posted nothing all game and it hasn't really changed i don't care what your gut tells you or not

On February 06 2015 02:50 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2015 02:45 batsnacks wrote:
On February 06 2015 02:43 Holyflare wrote:
I'm at a crossroads between just not giving a crap about the game and giving a modicum of care towards the game with an emphasis on the former and it's somewhat annoying to me.

Nobody even mentioned me other than eden and i haven't even done anything this game really which is super boring and probably means mafia is the weaker players.


I'd vote you if that makes you feel better.

Breshke though... Really...


I'm more inclined to vote rs tbh


But when the deadline comes nearer and people are not all about lynching rsoultin he completely forgets about the read. He isn't decided on who to lynch and has MULTIPLE different targets suddenly that he keeps pushing really hard:
On February 06 2015 07:52 Holyflare wrote:
let's kill oneguuuuuuuuuu

if i'm wrong you can flame me for wasting your time

On February 06 2015 07:56 Holyflare wrote:
abandon wagon ABANDON WAGON

SHEEP TO DAMDRED OR I LYNCH YOU TOMORROW

On February 06 2015 07:57 Holyflare wrote:
god this breshke is actually 100% mafia or something

Notice how ALL of those are town and he can jump between them as much as he wants if he is mafia. No mention of rsoulting ever during all of this.
So what has rsoultin done to make him forget about her? The answer is absolutely nothing. She disappeared like he will say himself later.

Ok, so mislynch accomplished. Back to scumreading rsoultin immediately:
On February 06 2015 08:24 Holyflare wrote:
it's funny how rsoul just appeared at deadline to vote onegu and then completely disappeared again so probably 100% breshke/jat/rsoul


So, I point this out and this is his reaction:
On February 07 2015 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
How have I treated rs? I've thought she was mafia all game and at deadline onegu was way more convincing mafia but then he wasn't mafia so i went back to talking about rs being mafia?

Then where was this read during eod? He literally went after 3 other people and said nothing about her.
If you want to know how town HF handles his scumreads eod look at void mafia. He scumread HTS and pushed her hard even though noone else really was up for it besides Kelsier. He didn't give a fuck about other targets - he pushed HIS scumread.
Now he claimes he scumread rsoulting all game and then he does nothing about getting her lynched? There is no way town HF does this.
He is INSISTING that he never dropped his rsoultin reads though:
On February 07 2015 01:24 Holyflare wrote:
No it's not he said my read progression is damning because I drop it when I haven't


And then the real gem comes:
On February 07 2015 02:00 Holyflare wrote:
I'm also going to preemptively defend myself from a jat onslaught by saying i wasn't invested in this game at all until deadline so my rs read isn't very concrete compared to reads i was making in real time then. Seeing as I was mostly trolling, apart from the nagging what if on damdred.

Not only can you easily see the guilty conscience - he knows I am town and that I caught him and will push him - but SUDDENLY HIS READ WASN'T VERY CONCRETE?
Read the posts I quoted earlier again and decide for yourself if you want to believe this and keep in mind that he "scumread rsoultin all game" and "never dropped the read".

This guy is mafia. I will show more reasons but this rsoultin read evolution is damning enough on it's own and I don't want the post to get too big.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 07 2015 14:45 GMT
#3451
Vote Count
justanothertownie (6): LightningStrike, Breshke, Eden1892, justanothertownie, rsoultin, marvellosity
Holyflare (1): batsnacks
rsoultin (0): marvellosity, Holyflare

Not voted (1): justanothertownie

At the current vote count, justanothertownie be walkin' the plank.
The voting thread is located here.
Countdown:
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
February 07 2015 14:51 GMT
#3452
On February 06 2015 08:51 Holyflare wrote:
pretty sure a town jat would have switched to onegu when I was pushing for it

Then we have this reasoning for scumreading me which makes no sense in the first place since I had more reasons to scumread SL than Onegu but even if we ignore this - why would I as scum make myself look bad by not following town marv and HF around (which I have done as scum before) if all lynch targets are town anyways and I could just switch as often as I want?
On February 06 2015 09:33 Holyflare wrote:
yeh mafia is undeniably palmar or jat because they are just the type of people to qq in their scum qt/pms about modkilling

I already commented on this post. It is just another awful reason to push me.
On February 06 2015 13:43 Holyflare wrote:
I'm still 100% lynching jat though he's done a void all over again where he avoids all the wagons and reasoning while still agreeing with it. He did the exact same thing in heavyweight too.

Flat out lying when I clearly WAS on one of the wagons and was also pushing it. Saying I avoided wagons in heavyweight is also a straight lie.

Then his defense against me:
On February 07 2015 01:25 Holyflare wrote:
It's absolutely not irrelevant because do you see him talking about rsoul at deadline? Absolutely not so if he is town then why does his read make sense to him when he did the same thing?

This is absolutely irrelevant. I was not the one pushing rsoulting as my top scumread.
On February 07 2015 01:32 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2015 01:26 marvellosity wrote:
his rsoul read came subsequently, pretty obviously, and yours didn't

so.


Rsoul has been in his poe list and someone he could have lynched the entire game and he barely ever commented on her

Like it doesn't matter anyway because his read is totally irrelevant if you read the deadline and if it's his only proper read this game when it should be pretty damn easy to poe the majority of mafia then he doesn't have much hope

Another lie. He said this when I had just poe'ed the mafia team a few posts before this. Still going on about how I read rsoultin which has nothing to do with my argument against him.
On February 07 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
which is a pain because my effort level is low and i know jat is just going to whine and make it difficult to lynch him

He knows I am town and won't let myself be mislynched without putting up a fight.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
February 07 2015 14:55 GMT
#3453
Also I dare anyone to go through his/Koshis filter and see how much they interacted before the vig claim. The answer is there is almost 0 interaction between them. And this is the most unbelievable explanation I ever heard:
On February 07 2015 03:18 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2015 03:07 Eden1892 wrote:
On February 07 2015 02:48 Holyflare wrote:
On February 07 2015 02:28 Eden1892 wrote:
I haven't read anything since getting to work. But I had a Zen moment on the way to work that I gotta share.

Scum team is Holyflare rsoultin Koshi.


What the fuck?

Palmarv are an item and marv is town
You stopped me from lynching koshi
Do not question the dictates of fate


I thought he was blue? I already told you that.

LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
February 07 2015 14:56 GMT
#3454
Damn that case of you got on HF is pretty good. HF what is your trap card?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 07 2015 14:57 GMT
#3455
On February 07 2015 20:40 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2015 12:03 rsoultin wrote:
I'm waffling on bats. He seems to have been super reluctant (except for saying jat is a justified lynch near EoD) to vote/push/pressure jat all game. I also see jat defending bats a lot. Which makes me think that if jat is scum, bats may either be his partner, or just pocketed town. Some of bats' later posting makes me think the latter, because all of his "this is also a good lynch" stuff from EoD checks out. His read on you, bresh, not so much though I think that may just be me on he not seeing you as terribly scummy Day 1.

Bats, can you tell me why breshke being "passive" caused you to switch to him from SL? I know that you mentioned that SL responded well to your vote on him, but what was the tipping point?

Brilliant! if Jat is mafia, bats is town or mafia.

That's added to my understanding of this game tremendously.


Great way to miss my point entirely, marv. Full marks.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
February 07 2015 14:59 GMT
#3456
rsoultin what you think of JAT's case on HF being scum for the 3rd time with me and you?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 07 2015 15:01 GMT
#3457
On February 07 2015 22:48 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2015 12:45 rsoultin wrote:
^ Like, I have no good reason to believe jat is town, and he should be the lynch, but I keep coming back to that and going meh.

I have a reason to not lynch jat. But let's lynch him anyways. Seems legit.
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2015 12:47 Eden1892 wrote:
On February 07 2015 12:43 rsoultin wrote:
Okay, so forgive me for going back into WIFOM land, but I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around a scum koshi and a scum jat pushing hard for breshke not to shoot...but no rb and no kill. That just makes no sense to me -_-

...if they have no rb then they would very obviously want us not to shoot. Lol

It would be stranger if they were mafia and pushing for Breshke to shoot with no rb. As it is this makes perfect sense. They don't want us shooting so they argue for us not to shoot because that's the only way we don't shoot

If I was mafia with Koshi and we had no rb then we would kill Breshke. What kind of nonsense is this?


Interesting how you take my post that actually says I have no good reason to believe you're town and then construe it as I have a good reason not to lynch you. You think it's any more likely for a Koshi/HF team to leave Bresh alive than you and Koshi? It makes no sense for any player in this game to do that!
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
February 07 2015 15:05 GMT
#3458
On February 08 2015 00:01 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2015 22:48 justanothertownie wrote:
On February 07 2015 12:45 rsoultin wrote:
^ Like, I have no good reason to believe jat is town, and he should be the lynch, but I keep coming back to that and going meh.

I have a reason to not lynch jat. But let's lynch him anyways. Seems legit.
On February 07 2015 12:47 Eden1892 wrote:
On February 07 2015 12:43 rsoultin wrote:
Okay, so forgive me for going back into WIFOM land, but I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around a scum koshi and a scum jat pushing hard for breshke not to shoot...but no rb and no kill. That just makes no sense to me -_-

...if they have no rb then they would very obviously want us not to shoot. Lol

It would be stranger if they were mafia and pushing for Breshke to shoot with no rb. As it is this makes perfect sense. They don't want us shooting so they argue for us not to shoot because that's the only way we don't shoot

If I was mafia with Koshi and we had no rb then we would kill Breshke. What kind of nonsense is this?


Interesting how you take my post that actually says I have no good reason to believe you're town and then construe it as I have a good reason not to lynch you.
You think it's any more likely for a Koshi/HF team to leave Bresh alive than you and Koshi? It makes no sense for any player in this game to do that!

"I keep coming back to that" good reason to townread me.
Yes, it is more likely for a Koshi/HF team to do this since it was pretty likely that Breshke would shoot me or Koshi. And yes, it doesn't make much sense for anyone to do this but the only possible explanation I see is that they were gambling on Breshke shooting me.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 07 2015 15:06 GMT
#3459
On February 07 2015 23:59 LightningStrike wrote:
rsoultin what you think of JAT's case on HF being scum for the 3rd time with me and you?


I could have sworn this case had already been made earlier in the game, LS, or at least the point has already been brought up. Have to double-check who it was, though. Saying that people were actually pushing to lynch me Day 1 is complete bullocks. I was mentioned but no one voted for me except Eden.

The only thing that even would make this case significant is if town HF always stubbornly sticks to one scum read as town, which is not something I can speak to.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
February 07 2015 15:08 GMT
#3460
On February 08 2015 00:06 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2015 23:59 LightningStrike wrote:
rsoultin what you think of JAT's case on HF being scum for the 3rd time with me and you?


I could have sworn this case had already been made earlier in the game, LS, or at least the point has already been brought up. Have to double-check who it was, though. Saying that people were actually pushing to lynch me Day 1 is complete bullocks. I was mentioned but no one voted for me except Eden.

The only thing that even would make this case significant is if town HF always stubbornly sticks to one scum read as town, which is not something I can speak to.

Yes, by me obviously. rofl
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