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On March 05 2015 18:55 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 18:50 Tubesock wrote:On March 05 2015 18:46 Breshke wrote:On March 05 2015 18:43 Tubesock wrote:
Is there really that much more risk by "checking" someone in the cell than outside?
If someone had a cop check on someone and ended up in a cell with them it's an absolute no brainer to claim like Sandroba did.
If the check was outside, wouldn't you claim differently? You guys already kinda thought the claim was too casual as it was.
Plus, hell I'd gamble that Onegu who hasn't really been motivated to play wouldn't be further motivated with a green check. Now you just have to fight against 2 people instead of 3. yeah but onegu not being motivated to play would be good for a scum sandroba Also there is definitely more risk. By our own accord you are thinking onegu was confirmed so that means its 1/3 instead of 1/4 of sandroba being lynched. Well, I think though that Onegu being on the lynch table would be motivated to play. Then it makes it harder for Sandroba. If Onegu has a check, wouldn't he be less motivated to play? Just like Robik just now who saw he wasn't in the cell and said he'd be back in 3 days? The risk is motivated Onegu vs unmotivated but forever town confirmed Onegu? Plus, he can be shot at night and that makes it easier for Geript to rationalize him surviving nights. You are literally either fucking stupid and so confirmation biased that you're literally crafting each and every idea specifically just so you can call him mafia or you're just mafia and can't think of anything else to say. You best get the KY. Because I'm going to rip you a new one after I watch starleague.
Promise?
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On March 05 2015 19:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 19:02 Tubesock wrote:On March 05 2015 18:52 geript wrote:On March 05 2015 18:43 Tubesock wrote:
Is there really that much more risk by "checking" someone in the cell than outside?
If someone had a cop check on someone and ended up in a cell with them it's an absolute no brainer to claim like Sandroba did.
If the check was outside, wouldn't you claim differently? You guys already kinda thought the claim was too casual as it was.
Plus, hell I'd gamble that Onegu who hasn't really been motivated to play wouldn't be further motivated with a green check. Now you just have to fight against 2 people instead of 3. Yes. Because mafia want to create a lynch between 3 people instead of 4 people. Especially when the person they're removing someone from the possibility of being lynched. Like it's really ridiculous to me. People get powers. We know this. I know that either someone RB'd me or that Sepulchre is not town because I shot his ass last night. Like Sandro claiming a greencheck on an easy mislynch when he's mafia is pretty insane. Like really insane. Like I can't believe that Artanis would be a Bastard host and have 2 mafia in the group. I think he just worded it that way because he wanted to be able to include ninjas. Like so far only 2 people have claimed getting powers, Me and Sandro. Kita's response probably means he got a power too. I'm guess he got medic because that makes the most sense overall. I don't think it's that insane. I think it's the only sane play he could make. If Sandroba doesn't claim he dies. Even if he were town he was going to die. How could he survive that many dead town scumreads on him? You think no one is going to pick up on that? That you towned him while Rayn and Toad scummed him? Sicklucker constantly survives to endgame. Onegu is well respected and I think probably tougher to lynch in a cell than any of us in here. That leaves me. I had 4 people towning me, but lots of nulls. I literally think it's more possible that he's town fakeclaiming than he is real. Only play? Like there are a billion different plays he could make. Hell, he can red check anyone outside the cell. He can get hard bussed for cred. He can check a partner. He can play like he did in Catastrophe and be really uber towny and not get lynched until like d9. Like there's lots of options for him to take if he's mafia. Like a million different options. Why would he as a good player take the absolute fucking worst line of play physically possible. Like there is 1 play that you do not take as mafia in this situation. And that's the exact play that Sandro made. THE EXACT PLAY. Explain how a vet who's good, really good and spent his last mafia game completely unnoticed until he gave up because all his team got lynched and he was tired of trying to keep playing. Explain how Sandro can as mafia take the absolute worst fucking line of play possible. Like that's the thing that caught me off guard early on.
You're right. There are other plays. This seems to me to be the best. I've said multiple times already why.
So, show that I'm scum or ninja then. You are saying that Sicklucker might be scum over me? But then earlier you said it would be better to lynch ninja. So, why are you not pushing me? Instead of saying how stupid I am.
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Mocsta, for what it's worth those two posts were directly answering someone's questioning to me. I previously read Your Mom's filter and felt towny about it. Rayne posted his case and I thought it was a good case. I reread YM but I didn't get the "Aha!" feeling but couldn't argue with the case from Rayne. Someone asked me about my YM read I answered. Then YM asked and I answered. There wasn't any reevaluating during that 12 minutes. I was reading the thread and making a vote count post.
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Dear CEO Chezinu:
I am a mere file clerk with aspirations of promotion. I, however, am puzzled and lack understanding while reading documentation concerning Sepulchre and Mocsta. Would you be willing to mentor me for a moment?
Yours Truly,
Tubesock
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On March 06 2015 03:30 IAmRobik wrote:
I know geript sucks at this game, but is he likely to be 100% wrong on everything as mafia or town?
I have another question. Is there a significance to Geript pushing Koshi (no case, but talking about him a lot and one liners) vs building a long case on someone?
He's right about me and confirmation bias. I'm pretty stubborn. But should I think it's weird that he's put a big case on me, thinks its a good case, yet now he's just attacking my "stupid" theory?
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Dear CEO Chezinu,
Thank you so kindly for your words, attention and help. I wish that I were great to have foreseen that this committee I am in is going anywhere but west. I thank you for your candid warning on that matter and wisdom to see the larger picture.
Unfortunately, I spilled coffee on my Sepulchre documentation and now it is clouded and tainted from paperwork on another. This other I trusted but no longer. He stole my stapler. I want my stapler. He won't give me my stapler.
I agree with employee Mocsta. He rejected my powerpoint, yet later agreed with the very foundation of it. The very building block of my presentation. No consideration otherwise. The Unseen, The Unknown, he is considering. He is investigating. He cares. Others too. Not Mocsta, no not at all.
Thank you for your attention. I hope we speak again.
Your loyal file clerk,
Tubesock
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EBYWOP: silly typos, I agree on your assessment of Mocsta.
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On March 06 2015 10:32 sicklucker wrote:
Oh ya kurimis mafia.
You are 1000% wrong.
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Dear Ninja,
I would like a moment to speak to you. I recently had an epiphany moment after conversing with my CEO. I have stumbled upon some documentation that implicates FecalFeast as your enemy ninja. These are suspicions, but as today I have compiled my reports and presented them and am awaiting feedback and questions, I have some time to ask you a request.
Please review Fecalfeast's filter. There are numerous ninja type references, there are several Rsoultin interactions that appear strange to me. I feel Fecal is searching for information that do not tell him if she is town nor mafia. After some time, Rsoultin is dead by shuriken.
Then Damdred dies by shuriken also. I suspect you killed Damdred, but I find Fecalfeasts reaction odd. Maybe you understand it more. Then later after I published my report, Fecalfeast showed that he really didn't care at all about town. But he was searching for something in me. We recently lost a great employee Raynepelikoneeet you see. Rayne believed that I, Tubesock the fileclerk, is a ninja. Ha! The Unseen, The Untouched, The Unthought. But alas, I am not so crafty or invisible.
Please, review Fecalfeast with some of these in mind, and if you believe Fecal to be like you, please murder him. I believe this will be a great success for town. I also, believe that time is of the essence, as we are all about to die.
Sincerely,
Tubesock
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Geript,
I apologize, for being so confirmation biased. While, I am too stubborn to think you are town I will try to be less forceful and difficult for you to deal with. As I said, it is possible for you to be town and my Tin Foil to still be correct.
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Also, I no longer believe Sicklucker is anything but town.
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On March 06 2015 16:17 geript wrote:
Tube. You really make me want to bang my head against the table endlessly.
I take that as a compliment!
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On March 06 2015 16:35 geript wrote:
Why do you believe so heavily in this tin foil hat theory? Like I really don't get it. Like do you really think that Town only gets 1 power role on N1?
I'm thinking people are not claiming, or there simply were no power roles given.
I simply don't believe Sandroba's claim. It has nothing to do with how many power roles are available.
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On March 06 2015 16:42 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 16:37 geript wrote:
No I really believe Syllogism who can read Sandro like a book gave it to him. Like if he's mafia, why would he ever claim a check within his pod? We dont have complete information but I can and have given you many scenarios. 1. He green checks onegu to look scummy if his plan fails. Thus insuring a 1for1 trade which is good since he was the likely lynch. 2. They are partners The fact is sandro was the lynch regardless of the claim and her best option was to claim. You have to ignore the claim and see the player. And that player is doing nothing compared to two obvious towns.
Onegu is not mafia. No way. That's like less possible than monkeys flying out my ass singing Danzig songs.
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On March 06 2015 16:44 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 16:39 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2015 16:35 geript wrote:
Why do you believe so heavily in this tin foil hat theory? Like I really don't get it. Like do you really think that Town only gets 1 power role on N1? I'm thinking people are not claiming, or there simply were no power roles given. I simply don't believe Sandroba's claim. It has nothing to do with how many power roles are available. That quite frankly is absolutely retarded. There is literally 0 reason for people not to have claimed what powers they got and what powers they used. Like not as any alignment. Literally 0 reason. There's literally 0 reason to think that in a setup with 6 mafia (with 2 KP) and 2 3P (each with 2KP) that town only gets 2 roles. Maybe some roles went to Rayn/Toad. Maybe. Like no one has claimed a RB on me. No one's claimed a vest hit. No one's claimed a medic use. At most so far, Town could have gotten 4 roles. Which is at least 2 fewer than I would expect on N1. Probably 3 fewer considering how mafia favored the lynch mechanics are in general. So why on god's green earth aren't people claiming these powers 1, why didn't they use these powers 2 and where in the fuck are all the roles we're missing?
I'm thinking there are different abilities, no reason to think that traditional roles in such an untraditional game are neccessary. And honestly, I don't care about how many roles there are. Kithaman27 seemed to care. Talk to him about it. It has absolutely zero bearing on what I think.
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On March 06 2015 16:50 geript wrote:
Like that would be some really crazy ass shit. Late in the game, I coudl maybe. MABYE 2 mafia in a cell. But even then that's a big maybe. Like it's insanity now.
For the record, Sicklucker is the only person who thinks there are 2 mafia in here.
I've said many times there is only 1 and it is Sandoba.
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On March 06 2015 16:53 geript wrote:
Why do you think that there are non-traditional roles in this game? I got vigi. We have normal assassin roles. Like why would you think that?
Oh, you're assuming I believe your claim.
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On March 06 2015 16:56 geript wrote:
I don't even know what to say. Like why would I lie about being a vigi as any alignment? Please tell me. Please tell me.
I absolutely will tell the thread. But it's not quite important yet.
But you really think that we need vigis with 2 2kp Ninjas? Someone talked about it earlier and I don't remember them considering non ninja vigis in the game.
So, feel free to attack my idea as it's more dangerous to mafia than finding who the mafia is in this cell.
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On March 06 2015 17:07 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 16:59 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2015 16:56 geript wrote:
I don't even know what to say. Like why would I lie about being a vigi as any alignment? Please tell me. Please tell me. I absolutely will tell the thread. But it's not quite important yet. But you really think that we need vigis with 2 2kp Ninjas? Someone talked about it earlier and I don't remember them considering non ninja vigis in the game. So, feel free to attack my idea as it's more dangerous to mafia than finding who the mafia is in this cell. I'm trying to fucknig understand why you believe such bullshit. And needing Vigis with 2kp Ninjas. Yes. Ninjas aren't trying to shoot mafia. Hell some people will just shoot indiscriminately into reasonable targets. Which more often than not will be town. Ninjas are not town aligned. They're far, far more closer to mafia aligned than anything else. Like when all 4 shuriken get shot, then guess what happens. They claim. Because there's literally 0 reason for them not to claim. They just don't want to get lynched and will try to side with whoever wants to help them the most. Ask Kita. In Demon's run he was 3P and he and I and Austin (my mafia partner) made a shaky alliance so that we had a chance at winning. 3P are in no way town aligned. They're heavily anti town. Super heavily anti-town. So yes, in a setup with 6 mafia and 2 3rd party then yes, town needs a way to cull the chaff and/or kill mafia. Like with out such, by the end of N2 in a what 26 person setup there's like 7 town going to be dead at least most likely. If not 9-10. It can easily be MYLO on D3. So yes, town needs roles to help figure shit out.
Ok. Look, I'm sorry but you're talking to a brick wall on this. I don't understand how the balance to the killing power is other types of roles. I also will say again, I really don't care.
Even if I think there should be 5 vigi's for balance, I still don't believe your claim nor Sandroba's. Like, you're not even thinking about scum, you're arguing with an idiot instead of finding mafia. While I was gone, you came back with how towny I am. What happened to liking your case on me?
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EBYWOP:
I don't understand how the balance to the killing power isn't by other roles/abilities.
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