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jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 25 2015 00:11 GMT
#1621
O ok got it

My initial concern was that Shining came in and scummed you for your opening and then left for a while. Didn't leave a good taste in my mouth. Your opening wasn't really that surprising to me at all lol he made later posts which I found much more towny when going through his filter, but I think my suspicions were more on the opening. I wasn't too confident in him being my #2 at the time so I read through his filter. Caused me to backtrack.
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 25 2015 00:15 GMT
#1622
On February 25 2015 09:07 Trfel wrote:
Do you mean, you want a summary of how my reads developed over the course of the entire game?!?! o.O


Hmm not exactly. Summaries aren't what I really want. More like categories of how confident you found them in comparison to others. Like I would have Tere hammered down as your strongest scumread and Rso as your strongest. Do two other get close to these categories? Or were you relatively torn about the others?

How about this. I think you were considering Shining very towny end game. If I compared it to your thoughts about Rso, would you have considered your stance on them to be relatively similar?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 25 2015 00:18 GMT
#1623
Yes, I had The Shining at a very strong town by the end of the game, as strong as I was on rsoultin at N1.

I had Tere at a mild scumread for some time, and then I changed it to a mild townread when I found her behavior to be consistent and had town explanations for it. Then after Silverarte flipped, I changed my stance on Tere to a strong scumread.

I guess you would have been at null or slight town for most of the game.

Zlefin has generally stayed around null or slight town as well.

Hier was null to slight scum.

Elyas was slight town until his claim, when I would call him strong town (if he didn't die that would go down later, haha).

Anything else?
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 25 2015 00:25 GMT
#1624
Got it thanks. I think I had most of it right, but I wanted to double check with you before I do a wrong analysis lol
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 25 2015 00:32 GMT
#1625
Would it be fair to put Silver and Hier in the same category? You scummed them both and wanted to lynch them, but you defended Hier more. Silver's scumreads were mostly at mid D2, but I haven't gotten that far.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 25 2015 00:34 GMT
#1626
I wanted to lynch Silverarte on Day 2 much more than I wanted to lynch Hier on Day 1. You can tell this because I cased Silverarte multiple times.

I'm going to head out for a while, so hopefully that's enough for your analysis. I'll check back as soon as I can.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 25 2015 01:06 GMT
#1627
Day 4 Vote Count

jarjarbinks (1): zlefin
zlefin (1): Trfel

Not Voting (1): jarjarbinks

Currently, jarjarbinks is set to be expelled from South Park Elementary. Day 4 ends in at 00:00 GMT (+00:00).

Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone.
Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain.

The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 25 2015 03:21 GMT
#1628
Posting my case on Trf. I need to go back and fix zlefin's numbers since I last posted and make his case more clear.

Zlef if you are around, please try to answer what Trf did about categories. I think I can generally make solid conclusions here, but I am prone to mistakes. Not giving you the opportunity to alleviate a mistake of mine would be biased and unfair.
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 25 2015 03:22 GMT
#1629
Notes on Trfel:
General Play: Tends to scumread the average person about 3.7 times compared to townreading them and about 3.4 times more than he defends himself. He made a total of 319 reads on people.

People: Top people he made reads on (proportionally per phase)
1. Hier
2. Tere
3. Rso
4. Silver
5. Shining
6. JJB
7. Ely
8. Zlef
The most interesting thing here is that his top two townreads and his scumread are all smack dab in the middle.

His Scum/Townread Ratio:
1. Silver (19)
2. Tere (4.71)
3. Zlef (2)
4. Hier (1.33)
5. JJB (.95)
6. Ely (.83)
7. Rso (.6)
8. Shining (.52)

Things that Bother Me (I admit this is weak, I’m struggling here):
1. Elyas was a top town read for him, yet he barely had to defend himself against Ely. He also made the second least amount of reads on him. Ely did turn doc, so he was right, but should he have been SO right?
2. Why does his read analysis look so good when the vote analysis says otherwise?
3. You could make a case about him hammering Silver. It’s beyond weak but it’s still a case you could make for bussing.
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 25 2015 03:26 GMT
#1630
Going to fix zlef's I'm still around if you have questions/concerns.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 25 2015 03:29 GMT
#1631
I didn't have ElyAs at a strong townread until he claimed. It would have been a weak townread until then.
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 25 2015 03:59 GMT
#1632
On February 25 2015 12:29 Trfel wrote:
I didn't have ElyAs at a strong townread until he claimed. It would have been a weak townread until then.


Did you have Shining/Tere as a higher Townread in D2 around the time Tere made her case on you?
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 25 2015 04:01 GMT
#1633
I think I made a mistake on Zlefin's. I'm not 100% sure, but I will explain it so you know why I am concerned with my mistake. This is a small thing, but I don't want anything on this to make you think I made numbers up.

Number of reads I had on Zlefin was 100. The way I counted reads was a little primitive. Later, I put the reads in categories to make a better analysis. Instead of summing up all the categories, I instead counted all the reads. I counted 100.

Now after 1 day, I have 114 reads after summing up the categories instead. Nothing really changed, as most of these reads are on me and Trf, but I think I miscounted the 100.
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 25 2015 04:02 GMT
#1634
Here's the new analysis on zlef.

I will move on to a conclusion, but I think just looking at the cases makes my conclusion pretty obvious lol
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 25 2015 04:02 GMT
#1635
On February 25 2015 12:59 jarjarbinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 12:29 Trfel wrote:
I didn't have ElyAs at a strong townread until he claimed. It would have been a weak townread until then.


Did you have Shining/Tere as a higher Townread in D2 around the time Tere made her case on you?
Yes to both.

I need to go to sleep, sorry. I'll take another look at what you come up with tomorrow.
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 25 2015 04:05 GMT
#1636
Notes on Zlefin:
General Play: Tends to scumread the average person about 2.35 times compared to townreading them and about 1.5 times more than he defends himself. He made a total of 114 reads on people.

People: Top people he made reads on (proportionally per phase)
1. Hier
2. Silver
3. JJB
4. Tere
5. Trf
6. Rso
7. Shining
8. Ely

I find many things interesting about this. First, look at the top four people, all the lynched people. Also, look at the bottom. His top scumread (at the time before his flip) and townread (at the time before his flip) are AT THE BOTTOM.


His Scum/Townread Ratio:

1. Shining (4)
2. Trf (3.33)
3. Tere (3)
4. Ely (3)
5. Silver (2.33)
6. Me (1.14)
7. Rso (1)
8. Hier (1)

Things that Bother Me (I feel this is much stronger):

1. I generally considered Hier to be on zlefin’s “top scum” list D1 with Rso on his “top town” list D1. Why did he read them the same way?
2. Why would Ely be his top scumread when he made the least amount of reads (per phase) on him? I know Ely wasn’t an active player, but still.
3. Silver was at about the average for the Scum/Townread Ratio, despite being his #2 target for making reads. Which means that he talked about silver a lot, but didn’t really lean to far one way or another (compared to average) on making silver look bad. If I could bold this point I would. It looks like he is making sure he is talking about silver enough, but not scumming her more than he should. Yet he bussed the vote.
4. His top four people (mentioned above) are all guys he wants to lynch. This shows that he isn’t really providing too many reads outside what he absolutely has to. A prime example to follow this up is Day 3 with killing Tere/Palmer.
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 25 2015 04:07 GMT
#1637
In this case I said "all the lynched people" in described the top four in number of reads. It should have been "all the lynched people plus me". If I get lynched today, I would be in this category, and while this is a possibility, it isn't true as of right now. I don't think my case is hindered by this.
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 25 2015 04:09 GMT
#1638
I should make a note that Trf is more experienced that Zlef. Zlef should look worse than Trf.
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 25 2015 04:10 GMT
#1639
On February 25 2015 13:02 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 12:59 jarjarbinks wrote:
On February 25 2015 12:29 Trfel wrote:
I didn't have ElyAs at a strong townread until he claimed. It would have been a weak townread until then.


Did you have Shining/Tere as a higher Townread in D2 around the time Tere made her case on you?
Yes to both.

I need to go to sleep, sorry. I'll take another look at what you come up with tomorrow.


That is fine, I'm crashing when I finish.
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 25 2015 04:19 GMT
#1640
In conclusion, I am going to vote zlef.

Reasons for voting zlef:
1. As posted in my cases above, my read analysis puts zlef in a very incriminating light.
2. Also posted above, Trf looks beyond fantastic as town. He said in his filter that he could write books about why he's so town. My analysis agrees with that (even though my vote analysis doesn't).
3. I honestly don't think Trf could look this good with 319 reads. Call me a unbeliever of Trf's scum game, but it would be hard to look this good with 319 reads.

Possible Concerns with My Analysis:
1. Zlef is less experienced than Trf, meaning he should look more incriminating. Factoring this in is hard, but I do not believe that this makes up for HOW MUCH worse he looks than Trf.
2. This analysis is new. I am bound to make it better by factoring things in, and help alleviate mistakes that could have been caused in this analysis. However, right now I think this thing is beyond golden. Granted if Trf flips scum, this analysis is complete garbage, but I'm really don't think he flips scum here. Look out Trf. If you truly are scum and you roll scum next game I play with you, you are in deep trouble lol
3. Zlef did look better in my vote analysis.
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