On February 26 2015 07:46 jarjarbinks wrote:
just got here and read up lol

I'm assuming I should answer your questions over comment on your case first?

Yeah,I'm mostly just looking for answers to the questions I asked.

jarjarbinks

569 Posts

February 25 2015 22:49 GMT

#1662

zlef. The reason why I was asking was that D1 I took from your posts that you were considering Hier your top lynch, but on the table you have me as the scummiest.

If you truly believed I was the scummiest D1 then my first point might not be valid.

jarjarbinks

569 Posts

February 25 2015 22:52 GMT

#1663

To your question about my model, yes a person who posts more would have more chances to get read more often. Ely is a good example, and a possible explanation to my 2nd point on you. While you can give reads on people based on their inactivity, most of the reads are based on what people say. The more you see them, the more you remember them so the more reads you have.

That is why I didn't bank too many of my points on just reads, I think the ratio matters more with the data I have.

jarjarbinks

569 Posts

February 25 2015 23:00 GMT

#1664

On February 25 2015 23:59 Trfel wrote:
Jarjarbinks, some questions for you.

Why is the case that I bused Silverarte weak?
Why does my read analysis look good? Just because of the large number of reads?

My usage of my vote is poor. I haven't been very good at using my vote to pressure, so I mostly just wait until I'm sure who I want to lynch and vote for them then.

Zlefin, in Night 3 you listed the percentages for each player being scum. With Palmar dead, I have the highest remaining percentage. Why did you not vote for me?

On the first question, where are you referring to? If it was what I posted in my read analysis, then I was unclear. If it is somewhere else you'll have to remind me where I said that.

Your read analysis is better than I would expect out of a normal person. Especially someone that hasn't played THAT many games. Like your a vet, but not close to vet status. The first one off of the top of my head is that your top two scumreads are the two girls that you scumread the most and townread the least. I'll use Tere as an example. In your 98 reads on Tere (including defenses), you scumread her 66 times and towned her 14 times. That is something you would expect from a person who tunneled so hard on Tere to get her lynched. Granted it was a mislynch, but your actions followed your reads. There is no deception or confusion here. Let me know if this doesn't make sense and I'll try to explain it better.

Trfel

7015 Posts

February 25 2015 23:05 GMT

#1665

Oh, so the point of your read analysis is to see if there is a consistency between what players actually did and what they claim to have done?

Trfel

7015 Posts

February 25 2015 23:06 GMT

#1666

On February 25 2015 12:22 jarjarbinks wrote:
Notes on Trfel:
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Things that Bother Me (I admit this is weak, I’m struggling here):
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3. You could make a case about him hammering Silver. It’s beyond weak but it’s still a case you could make for bussing.

This is what I refer to when I ask why the case on me busing Silverarte is weak.

jarjarbinks

569 Posts

February 25 2015 23:08 GMT

#1667

Yes

Plus in my reads, some people like to make it seem like theyre saying someone is null but they really are just shedding light on something they think is suspicious

Things like that I can see this way. You did that to Tere a lot lol

Plus you can look at other things as well. Like my point on Zlefin on the number of reads, that could show lack of effort while attempting to appear like you are making an effort.

It definitely isn't perfect right now, and could use a tweak or two; but I need to see if the general concept actually works.

jarjarbinks

569 Posts

February 25 2015 23:13 GMT

#1668

On February 26 2015 08:06 Trfel wrote:

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This is what I refer to when I ask why the case on me busing Silverarte is weak.

Almost all of your reads on Silver (pretty much) are scumming her. You had good reason to, but if you are mafia and think your scumbuddy is vulnerable to getting lynched soon, then you might think that scumming her often and early is a good strategy farther down the road.

Honestly I felt that this point is weak, but possible.

Trfel

7015 Posts

February 25 2015 23:17 GMT

#1669

Can you convince me that you are town?

Can you convince me that you are scum?

jarjarbinks

569 Posts

February 25 2015 23:19 GMT

#1670

On February 25 2015 20:59 zlefin wrote:

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Ok, I think I found the question: it's about how my views varied over the course of the game?
in general I'd think the history of the points I posted would serve better than my memory for that (it's the ratios that matter most).

since night 2 my views have changed very little, just a mild boost to you jjb, that put you scummier than trfel (by a slight margin)

If you want more details than the history of the point system provides, I'll be on today to answer it.

Zlef, do you understand my third point? That was my strongest one in my opinion. Do you have a decent defense against it?

Trfel

7015 Posts

February 25 2015 23:21 GMT

#1671

Oh, and just to clarify, are you accusing me of being sexist? Because if you are.......

jarjarbinks

569 Posts

February 25 2015 23:27 GMT

#1672

On February 26 2015 08:17 Trfel wrote:
Can you convince me that you are town?

Can you convince me that you are scum?

I wish my play would convince you I was town. I thought I played better in this game than my other two, although that is a pretty low hurdle lol I don't know if my play will ever convince people I'm town. I think I've had some decent reads and some not so decent ones.

You could spin my game to be convinced I was scum. Voting analysis looks bad, Shining's death looks bad. I don't make the best cases or have the best reads.

jarjarbinks

569 Posts

February 25 2015 23:27 GMT

#1673

On February 26 2015 08:21 Trfel wrote:
Oh, and just to clarify, are you accusing me of being sexist? Because if you are.......

lolz Totes sexist. They all be hatin

Trfel

7015 Posts

February 25 2015 23:28 GMT

#1674

On February 26 2015 08:27 jarjarbinks wrote:

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