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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 23 2015 00:02 GMT
#1501
Why........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 23 2015 00:06 GMT
#1502
I'm sorry, Palmar. Believe me, I didn't throw today away, I honestly thought about alternative lynches but did not judge any of them to be as good.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 23 2015 00:23 GMT
#1503
Going to sleep soon, will look over the cases tomorrow.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 23 2015 00:28 GMT
#1504
On February 23 2015 09:23 zlefin wrote:
Going to sleep soon, will look over the cases tomorrow.
Look who showed up right after the deadline.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 23 2015 00:29 GMT
#1505
Scum. NK me tonight. I'm fucking begging you.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 23 2015 00:34 GMT
#1506
On February 23 2015 08:15 The Shining wrote:
Ebwop: I really find it telling that Trfel can find better defenses for JJB than JJB can. Originally typed Trfel by mistake.


It should be noted, trfel also did a better defense of me than I did. Which points to trfel simply being better at defending.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 23 2015 00:38 GMT
#1507
On February 23 2015 08:34 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2015 08:07 jarjarbinks wrote:
On February 23 2015 07:45 Palmar wrote:
jarjar who is the mafia tomorrow?


lol there won't be a tomorrow!

You are showing that you are trying, which draws confusion. After some analysis you go ahead and sheep shining's read because it is your only way out from getting lynched. And don't even think I missed that feel question from you before you decided to finally vote for me. You were definitely checking to see if I thought about voting shining, so you can change the way you are making your reads.


This point is bad. I am not in any danger of being mislynched at this point. Trfel seems to still be leaning strong town on me, Zlefin is very obstinate about us all being town and Palmar being scum, and you and Palmar alone cannot lynch me. And Palmar is only slightly suspicious. Also, being original in being the only one being suspicious of me. So why would he think about you voting me? Its a wasted vote, and a weird point for you to bring up.

I'm annoyed at you about this. Please don't misrepresent my position.
I stated my position VERY clearly and repeatedly in thread.
I never said you were all town and tere was scum. I said it was the best lynch by a sufficiently large margin that that wasn't going to change with more analysis.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 23 2015 00:38 GMT
#1508
Profanity. I'm sorry about that. I'm out of thread. Probably for a long, long while. You have my case. I'll die tonight to wifom the hell out of it, probably. I still stand by it. Even more firmly now that I KNOW I am right. I may or may not give a goodbye post tomorrow. Zlefin is scummiest town so he doesn't die. Trfel refuses to look at lynching JJB so he doesn't die. Keeps hinting at Zlefin being the scum. So you both stay alive to push the lylo mislynch. And JJB...well, he's scum so he can't kill himself.

Pretty sure that's what Palmar was getting at in one of his last posts. Also Trfel, that's not alignment indicative. Town has more of a reason to be interested in a flip here to see if he won the game. He didn't but since he is here, he posts anyway. Not the best post but he posted. Unless it happened during me typing up this post, the only one not reacting is JJB.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 23 2015 00:39 GMT
#1509
You only knew that you were right after the fact, before that it was an educated guess only.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 23 2015 00:40 GMT
#1510
Going to sleep now.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 23 2015 00:47 GMT
#1511
On February 23 2015 09:38 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2015 08:34 The Shining wrote:
On February 23 2015 08:07 jarjarbinks wrote:
On February 23 2015 07:45 Palmar wrote:
jarjar who is the mafia tomorrow?


lol there won't be a tomorrow!

You are showing that you are trying, which draws confusion. After some analysis you go ahead and sheep shining's read because it is your only way out from getting lynched. And don't even think I missed that feel question from you before you decided to finally vote for me. You were definitely checking to see if I thought about voting shining, so you can change the way you are making your reads.


This point is bad. I am not in any danger of being mislynched at this point. Trfel seems to still be leaning strong town on me, Zlefin is very obstinate about us all being town and Palmar being scum, and you and Palmar alone cannot lynch me. And Palmar is only slightly suspicious. Also, being original in being the only one being suspicious of me. So why would he think about you voting me? Its a wasted vote, and a weird point for you to bring up.

I'm annoyed at you about this. Please don't misrepresent my position.
I stated my position VERY clearly and repeatedly in thread.
I never said you were all town and tere was scum. I said it was the best lynch by a sufficiently large margin that that wasn't going to change with more analysis.


WTF is this post?! If you feel she's the best lynch, you think she's scum. By poe, you think everyone not her is town. If that's not true, you don't think she's scum. IF YOU DONT THINK SHES SCUM, WTF WERE YOU VOTING HER?!

OK. Be annoyed. I'm not here to coddle you. I'm sorry you feel I misrepresented you. I don't feel that way.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 23 2015 00:56 GMT
#1512
On February 23 2015 09:39 zlefin wrote:
You only knew that you were right after the fact, before that it was an educated guess only.


I'm done sparing feelings. Bad post is bad. I capitalized the word KNOW for the exact reason you made this post. The sentence is a very clear "I feel stronger about it now that I KNOW I'm right" inferring I didn't know I was right beforehand.

Thank you for paraphrasing what I said but wording it so that it reflects negatively on me.

Trfel, you casing Zlefin? You seem to think JJB isn't the lynch here. You are who I least suspect. If you stick by your hints, I assume you'll be looking into Zlefin.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 23 2015 00:59 GMT
#1513
Sorry Palmar thanks for trying to help us instead of giving up on us. I hope to play with you again sometime!
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 23 2015 01:08 GMT
#1514
I know I look super bad and probably will end up in lylo. Please help me clear suspicion with whatever questions you have. Being that lylo mislynch is seriously the worst.

Shining, I know I'm in your tunnel vision. Please spend your time on other guys too instead of just me. What if your reads on me are wrong?
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 23 2015 01:12 GMT
#1515
I'll be back in the morning. I need a break from this lol I'll try to find something that has some value for us tomorrow.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 23 2015 01:22 GMT
#1516
At the moment I am most suspicious of zlefin.

But I'll admit that at the moment, I'm really not liking this situation at all.

I want to blame the hosts for giving Palmar the wrong role PM.

Ugh...... I'll be needing to filter dive everyone still alive (except myself, of course). And then I'll take a careful look at Tere/Palmar's filter, and then Silverarte's filter. Ugh. I don't want to lose at LYLO.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 23 2015 01:23 GMT
#1517
And The Shining, I agree with jarjarbinks, I think you are tunneled on him. If I find a lynch that I think looks better, I just ask you to consider it with an open mind.

And night kills are WIFOM, it will be hard to make any conclusion at all based on it.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 23 2015 02:21 GMT
#1518
That's why I die, Trfel. To add more wifom to a wifom NK. Mafia: the game of which side can out-wifom the other.

I'd be making a huge mistake in not listening to anything and everything you have to say, Trfel, especially in regards to lylo and me being tunneled. I'll consider everything and anything put into this thread from anyone, at this point. I asked you to do the same with my JJB case. I don't like your reaction to it, but that's ego and me thinking I'm right, nothing else.

JJB, you know what? I might be. And you've been the lylo mislynch before. As you mentioned, I mislynched you. I really don't want to be put into this same position again. To answer you, if my reads on you are wrong, I lose. I want to win. This sucks. So if you are indeed town, I'm about to ask you, actually beg you, to come back with something useful and start reading town to me.

Honestly, I don't see myself diving JJB's filter after all the time I spent on it last night. I'll be looking into Zlefin tonight. This could be a fatal mistake but I don't care, there is no way I'm lynching Trfel tomorrow. At all. I may skim your filter after I'm done with Zlefin but I'm pretty sure I won't come up with anything on you, especially anything new.

To me, JJB's filter looked more damning than Zlefin's, but Zlefin's wasn't THAT much better. I might just case Zlefin with a full filter analysis like I did JJB. It'll be helpful to compare the two, and see you compare the two. This is why I asked you if you planned on casing Zlefin. If you are, would you rather I wait or go first? Or set an agreed upon time to post it?

I leave work in 2 hours. I'll probably be looking at the same timeframe as I did for last night's JJB case. Understand that I am only doing this because in lylo, with or without me, I want to see town win and want to give you the best chances. And like I said yesterday, worst thing Town can do is start a Day already decided on a lynch. I was right because that led to a Palmer mislynch. I'm taking my own advice here.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 23 2015 02:29 GMT
#1519
Here's where we stand.

I am town. I am very confident that The Shining is town, and I think that assuming I die tonight, I will need to be willing to accept losing to mafia!The Shining (The Shining, if you are mafia, your play has been truly inspired). If I don't die tonight, maybe I can find some time to reread him, but I will play assuming that I die tonight. Fortunately, we will have at least one very likely town alive for LYLO, so our chances of RNG lynching scum are about 50%.

I think that jarjarbinks is town and that zlefin is scum. The Shining thinks that zlefin is town and jarjarbinks is scum.

This is the perfect opportunity for mafia night kill WIFOM, and therefore at least The Shining and I (Trfel) need to take into full consideration the reads of the dead player. And to be honest, if we can set this lynch before the end of the night, I don't think that's bad. I don't think we will be able to, as we don't have enough time, but that would be ideal to me.

I'm going to go reread the entire thread. I don't know if I am going to case zlefin. While it would be good to case both zlefin and jarjarbinks and see what is stronger, I don't think I have the luxury of that. I would prefer to figure out conclusively which of them is scum, and then they actually won't even need to be cased.

The likely scenario is that one of me (Trfel) or The Shining dies. Zlefin and jarjarbinks will probably vote for each other, leaving whichever of me and The Shining is alive to choose the lynch, so really a case isn't entirely necessary.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 23 2015 02:32 GMT
#1520
On February 23 2015 08:58 Palmar wrote:
also reevaluate everything in lylo. Don't scumhunt in lylo using what is being posted in lylo, just use whatever was posted in the previous days and go off of that.
I'm quoting this for safe keeping. Palmar is smart, listen to him.
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