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Palmar
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Palmar
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On February 23 2015 00:10 jarjarbinks wrote: I have a few minutes.Your defense to her posts didn't help too much, because in our last game where you were scum, you attempted to hardcore defend yourself after being copread by LS. Hence the initial vote. But what the heck is this? That defense was a complete and total joke. I was obviously mafia, I was obviously getting lynched, I was just trying to cause confusion. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
"If Tere is playing for town and really believing her case, Trfel is a much bigger threat as scum to keep alive another day. Silverarte is just easy cleanup. In my experience, tunneling that hard on a player such as Trfel(almost universally townread, large filter, lots of content) is suicide for scum. It is much more likely that misguided town believes their case wholeheartedly and tunnels." I don't agree with this in this. In principle, it makes sense to lynch the more dangerous scum first. However, when that starts meeting opposition, there is no reason to do so. If a townie is interested in solving the game, they will be fine with letting a perceived dangerous scum stay alive for an extra day, because they have arguments and they know that their arguments are right. Bad arguments cannot normally stand up to good arguments. If there are two scum players to lynch, it isn't very important at all to lynch the more "dangerous" scum first. For a player as constantly scumread as jarjarbinks, it makes sense that he is thinking about how his posts will look to others and whether or not he will be scumread for it. I want to lynch Tere/Palmar. Side note, in the event that Tere/Palmar is not mafia, I still don't know that I would be convinced to vote for jarjarbinks. I don't think that The Shining going through all of this effort to make a case despite having a very good lynch option already confirms him to be town. A mafia!The Shining would actually have good reasons for doing this as well. I need to do more investigation to see what this case says about The Shining's alignment, but I have a bunch of good reasons to townread The Shining from earlier, so I don't think that he is scum. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
I'll be out until (hopefully) 30 minutes before EOD. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
1) he had a longer filter than all of you except Trfel 2) One of the main reasons you want to lynch me is that he apparently made a very much against the grain case on Trfel. Which faction in mafia is more likely to do outlandish stuff? But I guess it doesn't really matter. You guys seem already quite set in stone. | ||
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The Shining
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Palmar
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Palmar
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
Reasons: I have already explained why I am not going to consider voting Trfel and Shining. I just skimmed zlefin's filter and while shorter than jjb's, which is somewhat of a concern, my previous point stands. He is being blatantly anti-town and he doesn't care, this might actually indicate he's town. Also, his interactions with silver felt more natural. He tried to converse with silver whereas jjb mostly just talked about silver (and generally in the form of lists). In addition, jjb didn't really seem to try to follow up any investigation on me (as opposed to Trfel). I really, really hope you guys see what is happening here. I want to once again point out that combined we have a 13 page filter. I want to point out that making a case out of left field is NOT a mafia tell. Mafia generally always attempts to stay on good terms with everyone in the thread. So yeah, I got a shitty hand, I feel like I have given plenty of reasons for how I have acted, and how to proceed. If you do decide to lynch me, please do NOT consider my reads any better than anyone else's. In fact, you should probably read my filter, but make sure to cross-check whatever I posted against what you already think, because I have not read this game from the beginning like you guys. I have a good insight into this particular day, but what happened previously... well I wasn't there, you were. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
Given that it's a weekend, I felt like the best use of my time was to analyse what is right in front of me, instead of double checking ancient history. I actually feel like just from today I have gotten a fairly good grasp of what's going on. Obviously it's never going to be perfect because it's based on incomplete information. But yeah, I really think diving too much into filters that were created when I wasn't there would be a bad use of my limited time. | ||
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Palmar
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Palmar
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jarjarbinks
569 Posts
On February 23 2015 03:03 Trfel wrote: I have a few minutes. But what the heck is this? That defense was a complete and total joke. I was obviously mafia, I was obviously getting lynched, I was just trying to cause confusion. That was my point? lol Based on your defense (or confusion spreading, sorry if that's what it was), I could see you making a much bigger defense here since you were in a better position. | ||
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Palmar
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Palmar
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You know I'm not mafia, you're just so certain because of biases created from Tere being wrong at some points this game. It's not a scumtell to be wrong. | ||
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jarjarbinks
569 Posts
On February 23 2015 07:45 Palmar wrote: jarjar who is the mafia tomorrow? lol there won't be a tomorrow! You are showing that you are trying, which draws confusion. After some analysis you go ahead and sheep shining's read because it is your only way out from getting lynched. And don't even think I missed that feel question from you before you decided to finally vote for me. You were definitely checking to see if I thought about voting shining, so you can change the way you are making your reads. | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
This is rushed, I'll try to answer what I can and felt was most relevant. JJB's defense is horrible. I really find it telling that Trfel can find better defenses for JJB than Trfel can. And I hate hate hate newbie meta cases. Maybe this is Geript rubbing off on me from last Student game but it is too weak of a point for me to give any credit. BUT, objectively, JJB did link his filter to the last 2 town games. Meta wise, he has a bigger filter this game with less content. Take a look at that game where we lynched him D3 and lost. Trfel made a point that JJB was asked for a Silver read and therefore may not have been committed to it for that reason. In his interactions with others in these other town games, his responses are much more in depth when people ask him for his opinion compared to the flimsy Silver read IN WHICH HE NEVER FLATLY STATES HER ALIGNMENT. This makes me think all of JJb's meta case appeals are just BS. He could very well knowingly have emulated his town play, and pretty well at that, except for his interactions with Silver. | ||
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The Shining
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Trfel
7015 Posts
It really is frustrating that zlefin never checked in since the case was posted. Even though I want to lynch Tere/Palmar, I wish he would have showed up and provided input. Palmar, the reason that Tere's push on me is bad isn't because she pushed for my lynch. The Shining scumread me, and I townread him for doing so. The reason that I scumread Tere for her push is because it was built on faulty reasoning and done in an extremely suspicious manner. | ||
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