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On February 18 2015 14:08 jarjarbinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 13:58 Trfel wrote:On February 18 2015 13:55 jarjarbinks wrote:On February 18 2015 13:45 Trfel wrote:
Jarjarbinks, I feel like getting an accurate read on you is going to be extremely difficult. Allow me to explain why.
I feel like we base our play around completely different things, and we look for entirely different things. Thus, for me to get an accurate read on you, I have to do it by your standards, but I'm having trouble figuring out how to go about that. The biggest example of this is that you immediately dismissed my case on Tere because I myself am guilty of some of the things I mentioned in the case. I place a ton of value on subjective arguments and the validity of various arguments, as well as the level of critical thinking shown. Meanwhile, I'm under the impression that you look for more reasons that are purely objective, such as votes, night kills, and numbers. Is this a correct assessment?
I don't know if you are town based on filter length alone. I don't know if you are town based on potentially fooling rsoultin. I have no scumgame of yours to look at for information. Therefore, the more reads you can provide, it would help a ton. I really really want to get this lynch, and it's going to require ALL townies to raise their game. I know that I'm going to try and put in a ton more effort.
What is your overall conclusion on my case on Tere? Is it good or bad? How does this affect your stance on Tere and myself, and why?
Thanks a ton for being willing to discuss with me. It's immensely helpful. It's cool. Yes lol I look at objective things more than subjective, because well I suck at the subjective. I'm trying to get better as these games go on but honestly this game is not my forte. I've spent more hours building a spreadsheet that most vets disapprove of lol I haven't gone a game where people besides my sister think i'm actually town. Null maybe? Town definitely not lol I actually have never played scum so I can't help you there lol The only thing I can think of doing is provide you as much information as possible. I think I was being devil's advocate when commenting on your case lol You made some points I agree on. The effort thing is something to look into. She has a pretty high filter, but effort on scumhunting is what matters. I'm not suspicious enough to lynch her at the moment, but I would favor her over zfelin for sure lol Okay, thanks. I'll have to accept the fact that you are probably town. Though I hope you understand that I still need to make a detailed check of your filter and your past games. As to the last part of my question, how did this discussion and my case on Tere affect your read on me? And far more importantly, why? (note that there is no set right/wrong answer to this question, I'm interested in the explanation). Then you can go to sleep XD Lol Despite not agreeing with a lot of things you have said, your have definitely shown the most effort in scumhunting to this point. I was there in your last scumgame and if you are scum then this is massive improvement. Like beyond massive. There were some actions you took that I disapprove of (#1 being your actions EOD on D1, but you at least were around at the end), but since then you have honestly been scumhunting and scumhunting hard. I'd be blind not to see that lol Your argument was a subset of that. Some of your reads weren't exactly strong. If you voted Tere based off your argument I wouldn't join. I want to see what her plan that she was talking about is. I also want to see her reaction to all of these scumreads. But the amount of effort you took in making it strengthen's your case for being town. I can see where you are coming from, though I don't necessarily agree with everything in this post.
Seriously, thank you so much for being willing to go over all this with me. It's super helpful. I know my tone hasn't been the greatest, I'm a bit frustrated at the game in general, I'll try to come back tomorrow with a clear mind. Good night jarjarbinks, thanks for sharing your thoughts.
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On February 18 2015 14:23 jarjarbinks wrote:
The multiple posts that "distance" himself from Hier is what got me bent on Elyas being scum. What do you think about those? I count about 3 different distance posts.
I see this two ways:
1: Distances himself. Makes an easy but decent case on zfelin. Talks about maybe Tere being bad, but doesn't really muster an argument. Looks like he's scumhunting when isn't.
2: Actually believes what he says. Waffles on Hier. Makes an easy but decent case on Zfelin and realizes its not super strong. Moves on to Tere, but doesn't make a case due to Shining switching. This is definitely possible, my only problem with this outlook is that Elyas' case on Tere seems lacking compared to the other two cases he already made. The points ring a bit, but do you see how it has less effort? I'll attach it below this post as I still suck at formatting lol
Obviously I originally thought #1 was more likely. Maybe I'm wrong. Let me know your thoughts. I'm sorry, I'm a bit distracted because I think I found something extremely interesting. Unfortunately, it will take some time before I can share, and it's quite likely that I will be proved completely wrong, so no guarantees that you will hear about it again.
I see ElyAs' play at End of Day as more like option 2. He stated early on that he was unsure about the Hier lynch. I know it can look scummy, but by no means is it a sure tell (heck, I do that every lynch, if you don't believe me rsoultin already stated that).
Maybe his case on Tere took less effort, but that doesn't make him scum. I'll take another look, but I remember his reasoning being acceptable, and that's really what matters.
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On February 18 2015 14:27 jarjarbinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 02:38 ElyAs wrote:
First, I've been following from my intention to check Hier's posts on Tere. Tere did vote for Hier really fast, but this is where I think I'm drowning in WIFOM. Would a newcomer mafia autovote on such an obvious wagon ? At that point the count was : 3 votes for Hier and quite the pressure building on him. I don't know where this train of thought is leading me, though.
Tere's case on Hier is also mostly stuff we have said about Hier, be it rsoultin's case or the OMGUSy vote.
I'm not sold on this, but I'm adding Tere on my lynch pool.
I think rsoultin's case on Hier was good and Hier's vote for rsoultin was misguided.
I think you're town, rsoultin, and I really hope it's the case, because if you're scum you're gonna be hard to catch :p This was the case I was mentioning. Maybe Elyas didn't get too far in his Tere case before the Shining switch, then gave up and looked at Tere fresh before this post. Still this case seems worse than the other two he made. Though this is definitely something to ask about.
A few questions for ElyAs
What do you mean by your lynch pool? Is that the people you would be willing to lynch right now, or the pool of potential lynch candidates, or what?
Any comments on jarjarbinks' observation that this case seems to have taken less effort than your other cases?
Thanks!
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On February 17 2015 23:11 Silverarte wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 22:39 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2015 22:20 zlefin wrote:
I'm disliking that Tere keeps asking people for their top two kills without having said her own. Feels like probing for information to join a wagon without committing; I think someone else already noted this as a potential issue, but I forget who, and it's not where I thought it would be (in trfels analysis post). I commented on it a few posts later. I refuse to provide my top two kills until Tere actually does some scumhunting of her own. Scumhunting is one thing, but I am not going to scumhunt in the manner someone else tells me to for no reason. Why do I think that Tere wants everyone to provide their top two kills? Maybe to know where everyone stands, maybe to choose the best night kill for the mafia. Either way, you can use someone's filter to mostly figure out where everyone stands, and I would prefer the emphasis to be on cases and scumhunting than making everyone share their top kills. Note that the last time I saw someone make everyone share their top scumreads was when I was shadowing Artanis[Xp] in Imperial Mafia. He was mafia. I'm only popping this up but I can find other instances as well of the similar complaint on the lines of "Wait! you want us to provide, but you won't?" There might be a legitimate reason for this. I'm sure there is! But really, this is still suspicious to me. Now, reviewing everything...why do I see more of the above, rather than scum hunting?
On February 18 2015 04:02 Silverarte wrote:
Woo! Back! How's it going so far?
Also, so far, what is everyone's top? Rather than two bullets, how about one? Hrmph.
Looks like I'll be going to bed soon, so good night all. Or I suppose, good morning to the majority.
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Not good enough.
##vote Tere
(I need to leave now, but that's left a bit ambiguous for a reason)
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On February 18 2015 22:31 Trfel wrote:
Not good enough.
##vote Tere
(I need to leave now, but that's left a bit ambiguous for a reason) I'm sorry, I thought you were done (misinterpreted what you were saying, I guess). You're still posting reasoning/explanations. Carry on then.
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On February 19 2015 00:29 Tere wrote:Before I get on to a suggestion for today's play, I just want to respond briefly to what I've bolded here: Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 12:44 Trfel wrote:On February 18 2015 11:00 jarjarbinks wrote:
I'm not gonna lie, I am less confident in this one.
Tere:
1: Hier voted for Tere: This is definitely WIFOM. This is also based on numbers I've seen and will be hard to explain, but I will try my best. WIFOM reads are generally perceived as 50-50. From what I have seen in previous (non-newbie games), WIFOM reads from town are actually decent reads on average. Better than 50-50. Especially the reads where the dead townie voted for someone on his/her own. This is great (and you could say hard for me to prove) but you do have to ask yourself if Hier was simply retaling (if forgot the acronym) Tere's aggressive lynch or if he was on to something. I honestly think Hier believed in his vote, which makes me think Tere is more suspicious.
2. Sometimes Tier has been unresponsive to rather simple or weak pokes at her. I've never played with her before and she could play this way as town, but I think this is suspicious. I think this argument has been made by others, so I won't dive too hard, but it is suspicious.
3. Tere was in the bandwagon group, at least to begin with, but then went hard on Hier as time went on. In my eyes, this shows she acted the most like town of the four (Tere, Trf, Silver, Elyas). I put her in this group because she initially bandwagonned.
Making a caveat to my own biases, I perceived her to act like my sister due to the first few posts she's made. I will try not to do that in the future. 1. It's not WIFOM because Hier was lynched, not night killed. Given the nature of the lynch, the best you can take from this is that Hier was scumreading Tere. There's not much else to be said here. 2. It's probably best for townies not to respond to weak pokes. If townies are too caught up in defending every single suspicio n someone raises against them, not only does that detract from their own scumhunting, but it distracts the entire thread. On the contrary, I actually felt that she was a bit too responsive to my suspicions of her when I admitted they were unfounded in the exact same post. Since End of Day, many people have expressed suspicions of Tere, and she has just said that all will be clear after the Day post. Tere's next few posts will probably be extremely crucial in reading her. Tere, I am very much awaiting an explanation for your posting during the night. You've been hinting at something. Time to reveal.Anyone there who wants to chat? Trfel, if you are town, can you please not bloody do this, it's very irritating. My response to you yesterday probably took an hour of my time by the time I'd fucked about with the formatting to make it readable. You made it very clear in your initial post that you wanted a response from me, I took the time and trouble to craft it, and your response is to scumread me for it further. I don't have the time to play this game 24/7, and behaving like this if you are town makes me not want to work with you. That's compounded by you simply saying "That's not good enough", laying a lame vote on me and sodding off just now. I'm now up to 4 hours time spent in the thread post daybreak, with more to come. If this is what you are going to do, I don't see why I should put the effort in, quite frankly, particularly given I'm being universally scumread right now. I should just let you guys mislynch me, AFK, and troll you in the deadboard. Not impressed right now. Now that you are done, I will respond to this.
First of all, I apologize for the formatting being difficult. I tried to put it in a formatting that was easy to read. In the future, if anyone wants to respond to me, they may feel free to put it in whatever formatting is easiest for them, I am more than happy to read a response in potentially poor formatting. That was not my intention at all.
I do appreciate you spending a lot of time on this game, for the record, I've been spending a lot of time on it too. It took me over an hour to type the post in question as well.
As to why I voted you, I had maybe two minutes before I had to leave for class. I read your posts, saw night kill analysis and voting analysis (which I considered weak*), and no explanation of your strange behavior as of late. Therefore, I placed a vote for you. Note that this vote was pressure, not a firm vote, you can sort of tell that by the sentence in parentheses underneath the vote. I missed the sentences where you said that you were not done. Bad play by me? Yes. Uncalled for? Yes. Can we move on? I hope so. Ironically, my intention was exactly the same as what you suggested (and for basically the same reasons).
*I believe that the voting analysis and night kill analysis you provided are weak (not your fault, they are quite good for the little material to work with). However, what I did not realize is that you were providing an extremely comprehensive thought process including analysis of everything possible, which naturally would include a voting analysis and a night kill analysis, however strong/weak. Therefore, the voting and night kill analysis make perfect sense and are appreciated.
I will not lynch for information. I don't think that is a good idea at all. And yes, if we mislynch today, we are on LYLO, and I do not like that prospect.
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Seriously, if I didn't make that clear enough, when taken as a whole that analysis is pretty incredible. I'm tired as heck right now (stayed up too late playing mafia), so I think I will try to nap, but I'll definitely read through it several times. Thanks a bunch for that.
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On February 18 2015 20:55 ElyAs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 09:12 Trfel wrote:
Sorry for the post spam. My thoughts are coming more randomly at the moment.
Part of me is wondering if rsoultin was killed to help hide a mafia!jarjarbinks. I'm not at all confident in reading a Day 2 jarjarbinks, in the past I've just used rsoultin for that read. Still, though, rsoultin seemed pretty convinced that jarjarbinks is town, so I guess I'll work with that for now. This post got me thinking. We are in a newbie game so I'll take this in the level zero of mindgames, which means no mindgames, this lynch has a purpose which is not to deceive us. Bad idea. Even so, by far the most reasonable cause for the rsoultin kill is to get rid of a strong town player who is leading the discussion.
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This will be a more detailed response to Tere's recent posts. (or, since I napped for so long, not so recent any more)
First, I note that the amount of effort that Tere put into these posts is probably the greatest single time effort I have ever seen in a mafia game. I almost townread her for effort alone, though without knowing her character, that isn't safe, unfortunately. However, the amount of effort put in is extremely encouraging.
I generally think that voting analysis (at least when basically everyone votes for one obvious person) and night kill analysis are weak. I'm guessing that it would be easily possible to spin the voting analysis to have a completely different set of implicated players (not implying that this is what Tere did). Keep in mind that I have never actually performed or analyzed someone else's voting analysis....
I see the way that Silverarte voted as more null than town, and I feel that the way The Shining voted wasn't as terrible as Tere thinks.
And I feel that ElyAs was actually the most proactive about looking into counterwagons.
I suppose it's silly to try and judge my own play, but I am more inclined to think that the way I voted for Hier looks more scummy than towny. Though that could be completely wrong. And naturally, I think that the rest of my play is more than towny enough to make up for it.
On to Tere's analysis of our collective scumreads.
On February 19 2015 00:20 Tere wrote:
(as an aside, please don't scumread me for being asleep fairly soon after day and night ends that end at midnight my time, that would be lovely) I'm not. But you had time to post an F5 gif and another post or two, you could have expressed a little disappointment at the flip. It's a moot point, since I'm accepting your explanation, and now that I think about it more, scum tend to feel guilty and sorry for the mislynch. Not showing emotion is not really alignment indicative.
I also disagree with some of Tere's reasoning for the "two kills" analysis. Nice people aren't always town, and mean people aren't always mafia. For example, while The Shining's filter does contain several suspicious things, it also contains several things that look towny. So I'm not confident in scumreading him just for being angry.
In addition to this, Tere's posting has this tone that I run into every so often, not only convincing me that the player posting is the most towny player in the history of mafia, but also making me feel miserable for ever doubting their towniness. With an experienced conversationalist like Tere, logic tells me to be careful with this tone read.
I'm not willing to completely clear Tere. But she has gone through an incredible effort, and much of what she says makes sense (though given the size of the posts, there weren't that many profound insights, though because her posts were formatted to talk about everything that is acceptable, I suppose). I'm a little worried that Tere's posts make her look better than I feel the analysis warrants, but on the whole, I'm mostly happy to accept Tere as town.
Especially if Tere leads us to a scum lynch. If she leads a mislynch, then I will have to take another serious look at this again....
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On February 19 2015 02:25 ElyAs wrote:
For now I see her filter is about suspicion on zlefin and Tere, and generally trying to be amiable to Trfel and rsoultin.
It could be mildly pushing easy lynch targets while being careful of townleaders. I've been more seriously considering the possibility of Silverarte being scum as well. You beat me to it.
But please, Tere is not, never has been, and probably never will be an easy lynch target. High post count players are rarely easy lynch targets, even if they aren't as sensible and persuasive as Tere is.
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Silverarte
On February 16 2015 13:43 Silverarte wrote:
I read the RNG posts and Hier's issues, so I decided to tackle this. The problem is, I really can't say why Hier shouldn't be here. There was a huge focus previously on his (? ...sorry, always so hard to know genders on games like this! No offense meant) idea for how a game should be. It became a huge focus and while it got discussion going, it didn't
What bothers me most here is that you're being pushed for those reads. While it's a newbie game, those reads aren't coming easy. Moreso, why are you pushing so hard for special mechanics over playing the game? What does this gain you?
I'd say one good point in your favor was Shining's point on all of this in that you're putting forth a lot of effort. However, I argue that really? That effort is for Bridges, not for actually participating with questions from others. Your last post (assuming you haven't posted by the time I pop this up) bothers me a great deal. I actually don't really like this read. It feels a bit weak, a bit forced. A lot of it is tone, some of the wording seems suspect, although I can't explain it.
On February 16 2015 13:56 Silverarte wrote:
Silver's work schedule so you know when to expect seeing her around (though she totally hopes to be around during lunches! YAY NEW JOB!)
I work four days a week, ten hour shifts now. I'm also currently helping with work on a house, but that'll be changing here in a few days.
I basically work: Monday, Thurs, Fri and Sat: 7:30-6:30 (MST). I believe that's 14:30 GMT to 1:30 GMT. I think that's about right. Now, I'll be around mostly in the evenings (later evenings) so if you have questions, please feel free to ask and I'll do my best to answer them if I miss you being around. I'll do what I did last time and place votes before I go to work and if I can duck in during lunches, I'll do so. I'll try my best!
(I'm pretty excited to see people about during the evening time though. This is a large contrast to my previous game. =D) I see this as completely null. It's a great way for scum to look helpful, while not contributing anything, and giving an opportunity to blame schedules and hide (though I have no doubts that this is Silverarte's actual schedule).
On February 16 2015 22:39 Silverarte wrote:Sorry friends, I completely fell asleep last night >< Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 15:05 Trfel wrote:On February 16 2015 14:59 rsoultin wrote:On February 16 2015 14:57 Trfel wrote:On February 16 2015 14:54 rsoultin wrote:On February 16 2015 14:53 Hier wrote:
By the way, for the sake of pronoun consistency, as I understand it, rsoultin, The Shining, and Mimeux are women, and the rest are men. Is that right? Apologies if I am making a mistake. Shining is male. It's like "The Shining" with Jack Nicholson. Not relevant, but lol, I'm sure he's tired of being called a woman ^^ Ok good, I was scared for a second. Who else is female then? Now that it has been brought up, I'm scared that I am wrong..... Far as I know just silver and I, since mime is being replaced. I love how this thread has derailed xP Ok good, I thought it was Silverarte. Hier, any thoughts you have on the thread are appreciated. Even if you want to post a huge wall of null reads, I would appreciate that (rsoultin and The Shining would probably start screaming for your head, but I would look at the content first...). I'm sure that rsoultin would let up on you for the moment if you provide some content and scumhunting to the thread. Though I do need to reread my comments on The Shining in the morning, if anyone wanted to comment on The Shining (with or without reference to my comments), that would be appreciated. Good night. I'll take the sleepiness into account Trfel.  Though, when you're around again, let me know what you think without all of the sleepiness there? As far as Shining goes, I can see your point. I didn't see what made the case on Zlefin, particularly since Zle's filter looked null to me at that time. I'd say the oddest thing to me here is that you being potentially scumread for walls of text. Those make it hard to read sometimes true, but I proved my only other game then and now that I do those too. Personally, I'd like to see more from Shining. I saw where you are coming from, but I don't feel he's a D1 lynch. And actually, I'd like to see everyone's thought here too. @zlefin I appreciate the concern about activity and all that, but remember. I live in the US and I posted my schedule up. On Saturdays, I work for ten hours then went out for Valentines out here. While I appreciate activity might signify something, at the same time, understanding for the holiday I feel should be in there somewhere too. Now, that said and behind us, my question for you is this. The scumread list you gave, can I ask what gives you the thoughts that Jarjar and Hier are on the lynch list. Also, if I'm reading the way you have that list right, Rsoultin is on the lynch list too, is that correct? (It's the points I'm trying to sort out). The first portion of this post, discussing my suspicions of The Shining, seems to be poor following. The third paragraph shows that in addition to complete following, Silverarte is distancing herself from the read. I'm not convinced that she was thinking critically about this, especially given the way that The Shining and rsoultin responded to my posts on The Shining at this time.
The final paragraph is rather defensive, especially given that Silverarte opened up this very post with an excuse for activity, and has already posted her schedule. Looking back at zlefin's posts, he basically gave two one-liners about Silverarte, making this final paragraph feel rather out of place and extremely defensive.
The vast majority of Silverarte's posts concern her own activity (or lack thereof).
Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 14:12 Silverarte wrote:Quick notes: On February 17 2015 07:37 zlefin wrote:On February 17 2015 07:24 rsoultin wrote:
Who do you really want to vote for, Zle? If you were a vigilante, had a day shot, and could take someone out without anyone else's input, who would it be and why? I don't have anyone I really want to vote for, or I'd vote for them. All I have are a few weak reads on some people, the table I keep is like this currently: Trfel 0/2 Shining rsoultin 1/1 elyas jarjar -2/2 tere hier 0/2 silver -1/1 which given that points are minor reads (not necessarily of the same strength, any time I get a feel one way or another due to a post, or a general impression, I put a point in on someone) means I don't have any good target. If I were vigilante, I'd save my shot for better reads later. If I had to choose, I'd probably choose jarjar, since he's the guy I have two negatives on. It looks like your table change for Trf and Silver since last time you posted it. What did they say/do that made you give them a point? I'm not sure, I'd have to look back through my own filter, at least for trf's case. I probably did it in response to something someone said, in which case I probably said something in thread about that, at least to agree with their concern. For silver, I'm just unsatisfied with his late posting, his explanation is reasonable, and could be the case, but I still don't like it. I was waiting to hear his explanations for not posting real life day 1 before dinging him a point (especially since until he posted, I thought he was gonna get replaced). Ten hour day and a date afterwards my friend! Go ahead and ding me for it, but I SO regret nothing! =D (1 am and we still weren't done talking philosophy. SO much fun. Also...lots of food. Mmm....) Thoughts/reads on people: The Shining: Posting content when arriving, and I can totally understand limited access here. That said, I'm still looking at the previous case where it was pointed out that The Shining did react defensive pretty quickly. At least he was honest about his Sheeping, for all he had a case on Zlefin. Suspicious of you man! But, not suspicious enough to push you at the moment. =P ElyAs: I'd really like to see more from Ely here. We go from case on Hier, to not being sold on the Lynch, back to the case on Hier, then a case on Zlefin. The only real content here are those cases and the rest of his posts don't have a lot of subtance. Ely is another person I'm waiting to see more from. (More to come! Yay filters!)
Silverarte chooses her two shots to be zlefin and Tere. The Tere read appears to be partially following my lead, since the only original insight in this post is rather weak. Looking back at the post where Silverarte initially showed suspicions of Tere, it feels weak, a bit of following me, and tempered by uncertainty.
I'm not impressed by Silverarte's read on zlefin, either. It seems to be picking on a a new player for weak reasons. To be fair, a lot of players have done this, but that doesn't mean that I have to approve (and I think I've been mostly consistent about players who find weak reasons to pick on other players).
On February 18 2015 04:02 Silverarte wrote:
Woo! Back! How's it going so far?
Also, so far, what is everyone's top? Rather than two bullets, how about one? And then of course, there is this post. Ironic considering that Silverarte scumread Tere for doing the same thing (asking for who people would kill without doing any work herself).
Finally, rsoultin mentioned that Silverarte was completely forgettable, and I agree. Being forgettable is an indication of being scum.
In summary, I don't like Silverarte very much right now. There is a lot of hiding behind inactivity, a lot of weak reads, and she has been a bit too defensive. I'll take another look at Student Mafia V, but I think I could see myself lynching Silverarte. Thoughts?
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On February 19 2015 05:06 zlefin wrote:
I believe that's a good analysis, and would like to hear Silver's rebuttal. Also, if you think it's silver, any idea on who they're working with?
I'm starting to try to think on pairwise analysis to see who looks too in sync. I really, really, really hate unflipped association analysis.
But if Silverarte is scum, Tere isn't looking too good at the moment. Again, I really hate unflipped association analysis. There are just too many variables, I'd rather just lynch who I think is scum.
On second thought, let's turn up the heat.
##vote Silverarte
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On February 19 2015 05:19 Silverarte wrote:
Ahahah! I just come back ,start to catch up and see we've got some heat. Well, let me catch up and we'll see what I can do to turn that back down. Oh, look who showed up.
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I'm glad to see that there were several pages while I was gone. I'm still reading, but I wanted to drop in and say this.
Tere, do you mind if I don't respond to your post? My impression of what you are asking me to do is exactly what I am attempting to do. I feel like I am having a hard time communicating my true intent with you (probably my fault, not yours), so I'm not sure that responding would help anything. Though if you do want me to respond, of course I can do so, I'm just not sure that it would help with anything.
Oh, and zlefin, I hope you won't mind if I don't list my reads like that, just because I don't like quantifying or categorizing my reads. But as of Page 44, Silverarte seems to be the best lynch.
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On February 19 2015 09:11 The Shining wrote:
Oh boy Trfel, you're in for a great surprise. Good or bad?
Did the scum concede?
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Wait, we're only allowed to lynch Tere or The Shining?
Do I get in a say in this? I think both are town. And I don't want to lynch town.
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Please don't throw the game for the sake of argument and ego....
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On February 19 2015 09:19 Tere wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 09:10 Trfel wrote:
I'm glad to see that there were several pages while I was gone. I'm still reading, but I wanted to drop in and say this.
Tere, do you mind if I don't respond to your post? My impression of what you are asking me to do is exactly what I am attempting to do. I feel like I am having a hard time communicating my true intent with you (probably my fault, not yours), so I'm not sure that responding would help anything. Though if you do want me to respond, of course I can do so, I'm just not sure that it would help with anything.
Oh, and zlefin, I hope you won't mind if I don't list my reads like that, just because I don't like quantifying or categorizing my reads. But as of Page 44, Silverarte seems to be the best lynch. I don't mind if you don't respond right now. I'm talking.  Whatever, if you ever do want a response, let me know. Until then, I will proceed as normal.
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On February 19 2015 06:26 zlefin wrote:
You may hate unflipped association analysis Trfel, I'd say it's weak, but not utterly useless.
Mostly I'd expect associations to be unclear, but the fewer people there are left in the pool, the more it becomes possible to maybe say something.
Even if I could just say a certain pair of people aren't both mafia, that'd still be useful.
It also represents another way of looking at things; and looking at things from a different angle can be helpful, as long as you don't read too much into it. Fair enough, but I hope you understand that I don't want to do this. I don't mind if you do, as long as you remember that it can be very inaccurate.
On February 19 2015 09:22 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 09:10 Trfel wrote:
I'm glad to see that there were several pages while I was gone. I'm still reading, but I wanted to drop in and say this.
Tere, do you mind if I don't respond to your post? My impression of what you are asking me to do is exactly what I am attempting to do. I feel like I am having a hard time communicating my true intent with you (probably my fault, not yours), so I'm not sure that responding would help anything. Though if you do want me to respond, of course I can do so, I'm just not sure that it would help with anything.
Oh, and zlefin, I hope you won't mind if I don't list my reads like that, just because I don't like quantifying or categorizing my reads. But as of Page 44, Silverarte seems to be the best lynch. I moderately mind, it's not THAT hard to do, and it helps me get a clearer sense of where everybody is, and a good reference point to look back at. Urgh, fine. I just feel like I can't say anything to Tere without a miscommunication or a misinterpretation.
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