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On January 26 2015 21:12 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 21:10 KelsierSC wrote:On January 26 2015 21:07 Vivax wrote:
Honestly my agenda today is purely to sheep the nightkilled townie, like it was yesterday. There are enough people who are quite broadly townread. But the Koshi kill means he was on the right track, like with HF.
I know I look incredibly detached since te day I afk voted HTS and then basically stopped playing properly but if you read my filter you will see no clear scum motivation behind my actions.
I defend HTS and post a case on HF scum on N1 before HF gets nightkilled?
I post a marv/koshi scum theory while my townread on WIle was still strong?
If you see this perspective, after having made so many wrong conclusions, it's simply the best play from my perspective to sheep players who got killed for being on the right track. I didn't just put up a show when I posted my conspiracies. It was the usual crazy town Vivax.
And with that, it's all I want to write in my defense.
Lynch Wile imo, or some other dude on Koshi's scumlist (reminder to revisit who else HF was suspecting) that is a terrible agenda. But is it a scummy agenda? With all the wrong reads I made this game I just want to sheep confirmed good town players, I don't even bother with my own cocnlusions anymore.
It is a pretty scummy agenda considering that your plan is to kill a strong townplayer. And the bolded is so not town Vivax it isn't even funny.
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Yeah. Please do it and you will see that HF was quite clearly townreading me for it in the end.
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On January 26 2015 21:20 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 21:18 Wile E. Coyote wrote:Yeah. Please do it and you will see that HF was quite clearly townreading me for it in the end. You are completely missing the point. I'm not saying HF scumread you. I'm saying you were trying to bring him off track from HTS by giving him theories with something about SL and Damdred.
Then you obviously didn't read our conversation since I grilled HTS just before the SL thing. Also please show me where I tried to lynch anyone but HTS day2.
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On January 23 2015 04:48 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2015 04:47 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On January 23 2015 04:15 Half the Sky wrote:
Oats, you, Damdred, SL
Oats throwing scumreads without explanation and his defence to Damdred was poor.
You, obviously because of how you didn't care and you just came in EoD and did your thing.
Damdred called me scum for resisting the lynch. That shouldn't be alignment indicative since anyone should want to try and save themselves, although I don't understand how he didn't consolidate onto Lian. He seemed apathetic but I couldn't get anything conclusive from that.
SL I explained I didnt' like him earlier. Erratic yes, but that doesn't mean I was completely lost on the guy's filter. I explained on the voting thing that one of us on the Lian wagon had to be scum. His switch to Lian was to save himself, but he did express a desire to hammer me.
Damdred is a weaker read and there's still a very real possibility #3 could be VA, but can't really conclude yet. But if SL is mafia wouldn't it make more sense for mafia to be on Lian or you instead of wasting their vote? Yet you are scumreading damdred and oats. Something doesn't add up. ^^^^^^ ding ding ding
On January 23 2015 06:58 Holyflare wrote:
I know ordinarily that would probably make someone mafia wile but it's sicklucker and I have no lower limit when it comes to illogical thought processes with him so it makes it hard to even consider
Just read the quoted posts and tell me HF was anything but townreading me. Or that I wanted to derail him from HTS. lol
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On January 26 2015 21:25 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 21:22 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On January 26 2015 21:20 Vivax wrote:On January 26 2015 21:18 Wile E. Coyote wrote:Yeah. Please do it and you will see that HF was quite clearly townreading me for it in the end. You are completely missing the point. I'm not saying HF scumread you. I'm saying you were trying to bring him off track from HTS by giving him theories with something about SL and Damdred. Then you obviously didn't read our conversation since I grilled HTS just before the SL thing. Also please show me where I tried to lynch anyone but HTS day2. That lynch was a nobrainer after I saw the HF kill. Now you try to harvest cred by pointing out "oh look I tried so hard to lynch a scum".
The difference between me and you in this is that I don't need cred and hence parked my vote in full trust of HF's read and then bothered with other things, without trying to make myself appear more townie in the process like you did.
No, I did never try to harvest any cred or make myself appear more townie for the lynch. I am just pointing out that your argument that I tried to make HF look elsewhere is extremely bad.
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On January 26 2015 21:42 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 21:25 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On January 23 2015 04:48 Holyflare wrote:On January 23 2015 04:47 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On January 23 2015 04:15 Half the Sky wrote:
Oats, you, Damdred, SL
Oats throwing scumreads without explanation and his defence to Damdred was poor.
You, obviously because of how you didn't care and you just came in EoD and did your thing.
Damdred called me scum for resisting the lynch. That shouldn't be alignment indicative since anyone should want to try and save themselves, although I don't understand how he didn't consolidate onto Lian. He seemed apathetic but I couldn't get anything conclusive from that.
SL I explained I didnt' like him earlier. Erratic yes, but that doesn't mean I was completely lost on the guy's filter. I explained on the voting thing that one of us on the Lian wagon had to be scum. His switch to Lian was to save himself, but he did express a desire to hammer me.
Damdred is a weaker read and there's still a very real possibility #3 could be VA, but can't really conclude yet. But if SL is mafia wouldn't it make more sense for mafia to be on Lian or you instead of wasting their vote? Yet you are scumreading damdred and oats. Something doesn't add up. ^^^^^^ ding ding ding On January 23 2015 06:58 Holyflare wrote:
I know ordinarily that would probably make someone mafia wile but it's sicklucker and I have no lower limit when it comes to illogical thought processes with him so it makes it hard to even consider Just read the quoted posts and tell me HF was anything but townreading me. Or that I wanted to derail him from HTS. lol Again you move the focus to HF townreading you. See votecount: I think SL and Kelsier are town (hence bolded and tentative). Just reread SL's filter and he has a really good case on her in there from D1 I think. And also cause he does this: HTS does this when SL is main wagon leader: Show nested quote +On January 22 2015 08:20 GlowingBear wrote:
Final Vote Count
sicklucker (3): liancourt, Holyflare, marvellosity, batsnacks, Half the Sky, Vivax, marvellosity, Wile E. Coyote
Liancourt (4): Koshi, sicklucker, Half the Sky, Vivax, sicklucker
Oatsmaster (1): Holyflare, Damdred, Half the Sky
Vivax (0): marvellosity marvellosity, Oatsmaster
Alakaslam (1): Koshi, VayneAuthority
Half the Sky (2): marvellosity, sicklucker, KelsierSC, sicklucker, Holyflare
Marvellosity (0): Vivax, Wile E. Coyote, sicklucker
KelsierSC (0): batsnacks
Damdred (1): Holyflare, Oatsmaster
Not voted (1): Alakaslam
liancourt was pulled into the void.
The Void's pull is growing stronger. remains.
Wile posted this to HF, again steering him away from HTS. Show nested quote +On January 22 2015 07:43 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On January 22 2015 07:42 Holyflare wrote:
i'm going to yell and kick and scream at all of you if you don't lynch her tbh, this is silly i've given great reasons You have also given great reaons why SL is scum. So just from vote analysis I'd guess at SL being the scum pushed wagon. IE bats and Wile, who are also Koshis top scumspects before he died. If these guys are by chance town (which I doubt), scum is somewhere spread out here (Oats, Damdred, Vayne maybe)
How does SL and HTS unvoting each other make SL town?!
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The second error with your theory is that SLs wagon was pushed way way before HF ever started pushing HTS. The lynch was then between 2 towns (SL and Lian) so mafia did not have to push any wagon. Hence why I think that if SL is town at least one of Damdred and Oats is mafia.
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I don't follow your logic why the unvote means it has to be exactly you 2. Not that I haven't said already that if SL is scum he probably is with you.
The quoted posts do look pretty good for SL though.
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On January 26 2015 21:52 Vivax wrote:
Sicklucker's vote on lian was self preservation, but he would have lynched HTS over him if he could.
That's what he says. If he is mafia he does not have to tell the truth, you know.
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On January 26 2015 21:55 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 21:53 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On January 26 2015 21:52 Vivax wrote:
Sicklucker's vote on lian was self preservation, but he would have lynched HTS over him if he could. That's what he says. If he is mafia he does not have to tell the truth, you know. It's a massive risk to take though. One town votes on hts and he has to vote her if he doesn't they both get pinched.
True.
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On January 26 2015 21:56 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 21:51 KelsierSC wrote:
Viva, I don't understand why if you are scum then sl is scum.
Cause I unvoted SL and moved onto liancourt. It's the ##teamkoshi post in the voting thread. SL unvoted HTS and voted lian. If SL and me were scum together our motive would be to save SL and mislynch lian. And vote accordingly. But this notion is irrelevant to further explore cause me and SL are both town. Wile and bats are most likely scum.
That makes no sense. Why would bats and me push SL together if we are scum when there was absolutely no need to? And why on earth would we keep out votes on him and risk HTS lynch instead of switching to lian?
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Fine, I shouldn't be posting here anyways. Back to preparing for this goddamn exam. At least you guys convinced me that SL is probably town.
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On January 26 2015 22:03 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 22:00 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On January 26 2015 21:56 Vivax wrote:On January 26 2015 21:51 KelsierSC wrote:
Viva, I don't understand why if you are scum then sl is scum.
Cause I unvoted SL and moved onto liancourt. It's the ##teamkoshi post in the voting thread. SL unvoted HTS and voted lian. If SL and me were scum together our motive would be to save SL and mislynch lian. And vote accordingly. But this notion is irrelevant to further explore cause me and SL are both town. Wile and bats are most likely scum. That makes no sense. Why would bats and me push SL together if we are scum when there was absolutely no need to? And why on earth would we keep out votes on him and risk HTS lynch instead of switching to lian? It would look pretty bad to late hammer on lian. Honestly the safest mafia play Imo was just to stay put and hope that the hts vote didn't get enough traction.
But if SL is town there is only one vote missing. Extremely risky move. I kinda see your point though. Still don't think bats is scum.
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On January 26 2015 22:22 Vivax wrote:
Wile, I make you an offer.
We lynch bats today.
Give us any reasons for you townreading him over me if you disagree.
Like, we should be scum together if SL is town, right?
Then let's just lynch him. I won't hesitate one moment. And if you do hesitate, bring reasons to the table.
I already gave reasons for bats. I will not take this offer because it is incredibly stupid. I won't lynch my townread.
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Also I see no reason why you should be scum together if SL is town. Much more likely that there is scum in the guys that intentionally wasted their votes then.
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On January 26 2015 22:26 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2015 20:56 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On January 25 2015 20:53 KelsierSC wrote:
If I had to give an order of who to lynch it would be like
Dam
VA
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bats
something like that. I don't really see why bats would be scum honestly but maybe I am just a little overcautious after last game.Damdred is pretty scummy and VA could be anything. Are these your reasons? Very strong reasons yes.
Dude, I posted about bats and my general view of the game a few hours ago. Learn to read ffs.
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On January 26 2015 22:27 Vivax wrote:
Tell me where bats comments on HTS during D1.
Tell me why he doesn't include her in her townreads if he doesn't comment on her.
He just flat out avoids touching her. Just like scum do.
Why on earth would you townread someone that you don't comment on? I don't know why he didn't comment on her if this is even true (won't doublecheck now) but people that aren't on your radar generally aren't townreads.
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On January 26 2015 22:34 Vivax wrote:
If these are all your reasons for townreading bats while pushing suspicion on me but not applying the same reasons you use for bats, then the plot thickened quite a bit.
Last time I check you aren't batsnacks. You catch batsnacks as scum if he has no scumreads/is too agreeable/if he does not want to ruffle any feathers. Do you think that fits his play here? Because I don't.
For prove see FFL2 (at least I think that was the game).
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On January 26 2015 22:33 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +
I still don't know why people are scumreading bats. He actually has scumreads and pushes them this game. Like Vivax right now for example. And he also isn't afraid to speak his mind at all.
Just lol
This post is saying he pushes his Vivax scumread btw. not that you are pushing anything.
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On January 27 2015 02:10 Alakaslam wrote:
Sson
Hijole
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