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On January 24 2015 08:32 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 08:24 geript wrote:On January 24 2015 08:15 rsoultin wrote:
So let's do logic for a second.
We know we have a cop.
We know that JJB claimed tracker.
- If he's scum and there's a real tracker, that tracker should have countered him by now.
- If he's scum and there's a real doc, the doc should have countered by now because LS' flip revealed the fake.
Unless our blue is friggin retarded this game, JJB is the real tracker. That's not the question. The question is: 1. Mafia know town has cop/tracker 2. Mafia keeps tracker around seemingly planning to CC JJB 3. Don't ever CC JJB Why? It tells me that mafia aren't really familiar with setups like this and are likely less experienced and less involved. Which points more towards 3 newer players. Or has less credibility than JJB. Or it's WIFOM. geript, I'm not lynching people based on this type of setup speculation. It's not good play. It's a good reason to look at the new players I'm townreading and consider that I may be wrong, yes, but it's a starting point not an end-all. LM is my lynch for today. It will take something drastic - or brilliant - to dissuade me from that. I have too many question marks regarding other players.
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On January 24 2015 08:26 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 08:19 Breshke wrote:
RSo what scumteam are you most paranoid of? Lol, depends on the minute and who posted last sometimes  That's why I'm pushing LM who I'm fairly confident of. This vote should make the first day more clear, and hopefully give us new information to work with. Assuming I'm right on LM, I'm hoping to find the third scum after the vote Day 3. Or at least fully clear 1 or 2 more of my town leans.
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On January 24 2015 10:22 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 10:18 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 10:13 DarthPunk wrote:On January 24 2015 08:32 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 08:24 geript wrote:On January 24 2015 08:15 rsoultin wrote:
So let's do logic for a second.
We know we have a cop.
We know that JJB claimed tracker.
- If he's scum and there's a real tracker, that tracker should have countered him by now.
- If he's scum and there's a real doc, the doc should have countered by now because LS' flip revealed the fake.
Unless our blue is friggin retarded this game, JJB is the real tracker. That's not the question. The question is: 1. Mafia know town has cop/tracker 2. Mafia keeps tracker around seemingly planning to CC JJB 3. Don't ever CC JJB Why? It tells me that mafia aren't really familiar with setups like this and are likely less experienced and less involved. Which points more towards 3 newer players. Or has less credibility than JJB. Or it's WIFOM. geript, I'm not lynching people based on this type of setup speculation. It's not good play. It's a good reason to look at the new players I'm townreading and consider that I may be wrong, yes, but it's a starting point not an end-all. LM is my lynch for today. It will take something drastic - or brilliant - to dissuade me from that. I have too many question marks regarding other players. Why are you having such a strong reaction to geript's analysis here? Like geript has a good point about the night kills. He isn't calling JJB scum, but you seem to be invested in not talking about this. Is this a good point DP? Do you think the night kills eliminates the possibility of veteran mafia players ever being scum? Where is your cut-off for "veteran"? This is a coached game, which makes the newbie scum argument less valid anyway, and a pretty obvious play imo. As I said, it's worth taking another look and reconsidering my reads, but it is not good enough alone to lynch on. I want to get my one pretty sure scumread lynched. It's that simple. If I see someone with a better case that I can verify and makes sense to sheep, sure, but until then I'm going to push that scumread, plain and simple. Nobody said anything about not lynching your scumread... Nobody said anything about lynching someone based on geripts analysis. Geript had solid analysis on the night kills, the GB kill makes zero sense and anyone who has played scum before would auto kill JJB imo. I agree with the conclusion that geript made about the scum team probably being noobs. Why are you having such a strong reaction to this? It can't be because you don;t want to lynch based off his analysis because nobody suggested that.
Clear now?
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On January 24 2015 10:25 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 08:32 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 08:24 geript wrote:On January 24 2015 08:15 rsoultin wrote:
So let's do logic for a second.
We know we have a cop.
We know that JJB claimed tracker.
- If he's scum and there's a real tracker, that tracker should have countered him by now.
- If he's scum and there's a real doc, the doc should have countered by now because LS' flip revealed the fake.
Unless our blue is friggin retarded this game, JJB is the real tracker. That's not the question. The question is: 1. Mafia know town has cop/tracker 2. Mafia keeps tracker around seemingly planning to CC JJB 3. Don't ever CC JJB Why? It tells me that mafia aren't really familiar with setups like this and are likely less experienced and less involved. Which points more towards 3 newer players. Or has less credibility than JJB. Or it's WIFOM. geript, I'm not lynching people based on this type of setup speculation. It's not good play. It's a good reason to look at the new players I'm townreading and consider that I may be wrong, yes, but it's a starting point not an end-all. LM is my lynch for today. It will take something drastic - or brilliant - to dissuade me from that. I have too many question marks regarding other players.
DID ANYBODY SAY THEY WERE LYNCHING SOMEONE BASED OFF GERIPTS ANALYSIS?
Literally, point to me where anybody in this game said that?
What the fuck dude. You are starting to make zero fucking sense right now.
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On January 24 2015 09:46 geript wrote:
I keep on forgetting about Shining.
Also, this. This has to be the 2nd or 3rd time you've alluded to forgetting about me. I find that almost as offensive as GB ignoring me. Lol. But I had to ask about this...why keep mentioning me and how forgettable I am? If you're going to do it more than once, it feels like you're not forgetting me, since you're mentioning me after all.
It almost feels like you're soft pushing me without soft pushing me and waiting for someone else to take up the gauntlet and run with it, so you don't get blamed for another mislynch(first being WW). Its the first red flag in my mind that I'm seeing coming from you but you being scum would feel like HTS in the newbie game all over to me.
And you provided a counter wagon against LMs wagon in Damdred. Since I am assuming I'm right in my scumread on LM, I have to wonder why you're trying to save scum. Also how much sense does it make if you 2 were teammates? Going to have to review the Damdred case since I don't trust him either but I don't know if this is him being scum or just lazy.
3rd option that I have to also wonder because I like throwing everything out there. The LM lynch has a good amount of support. Are you 2 bussing eachother?
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On January 24 2015 10:27 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 10:22 DarthPunk wrote:On January 24 2015 10:18 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 10:13 DarthPunk wrote:On January 24 2015 08:32 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 08:24 geript wrote:On January 24 2015 08:15 rsoultin wrote:
So let's do logic for a second.
We know we have a cop.
We know that JJB claimed tracker.
- If he's scum and there's a real tracker, that tracker should have countered him by now.
- If he's scum and there's a real doc, the doc should have countered by now because LS' flip revealed the fake.
Unless our blue is friggin retarded this game, JJB is the real tracker. That's not the question. The question is: 1. Mafia know town has cop/tracker 2. Mafia keeps tracker around seemingly planning to CC JJB 3. Don't ever CC JJB Why? It tells me that mafia aren't really familiar with setups like this and are likely less experienced and less involved. Which points more towards 3 newer players. Or has less credibility than JJB. Or it's WIFOM. geript, I'm not lynching people based on this type of setup speculation. It's not good play. It's a good reason to look at the new players I'm townreading and consider that I may be wrong, yes, but it's a starting point not an end-all. LM is my lynch for today. It will take something drastic - or brilliant - to dissuade me from that. I have too many question marks regarding other players. Why are you having such a strong reaction to geript's analysis here? Like geript has a good point about the night kills. He isn't calling JJB scum, but you seem to be invested in not talking about this. Is this a good point DP? Do you think the night kills eliminates the possibility of veteran mafia players ever being scum? Where is your cut-off for "veteran"? This is a coached game, which makes the newbie scum argument less valid anyway, and a pretty obvious play imo. As I said, it's worth taking another look and reconsidering my reads, but it is not good enough alone to lynch on. I want to get my one pretty sure scumread lynched. It's that simple. If I see someone with a better case that I can verify and makes sense to sheep, sure, but until then I'm going to push that scumread, plain and simple. Nobody said anything about not lynching your scumread... Nobody said anything about lynching someone based on geripts analysis. Geript had solid analysis on the night kills, the GB kill makes zero sense and anyone who has played scum before would auto kill JJB imo. I agree with the conclusion that geript made about the scum team probably being noobs. Why are you having such a strong reaction to this? It can't be because you don;t want to lynch based off his analysis because nobody suggested that. Clear now?
No. Not really. Repeating yourself when I clearly have no fucking Idea what you are talking about in the first place does not clarify anything for me.
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On January 24 2015 10:28 The Shining wrote:Also, this. This has to be the 2nd or 3rd time you've alluded to forgetting about me. I find that almost as offensive as GB ignoring me. Lol. But I had to ask about this...why keep mentioning me and how forgettable I am? If you're going to do it more than once, it feels like you're not forgetting me, since you're mentioning me after all. It almost feels like you're soft pushing me without soft pushing me and waiting for someone else to take up the gauntlet and run with it, so you don't get blamed for another mislynch(first being WW). Its the first red flag in my mind that I'm seeing coming from you but you being scum would feel like HTS in the newbie game all over to me. And you provided a counter wagon against LMs wagon in Damdred. Since I am assuming I'm right in my scumread on LM, I have to wonder why you're trying to save scum. Also how much sense does it make if you 2 were teammates? Going to have to review the Damdred case since I don't trust him either but I don't know if this is him being scum or just lazy. 3rd option that I have to also wonder because I like throwing everything out there. The LM lynch has a good amount of support. Are you 2 bussing eachother?
Why do you think LM is scum? Who is scum if LM is town?
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On January 24 2015 10:27 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 10:25 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 08:32 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 08:24 geript wrote:On January 24 2015 08:15 rsoultin wrote:
So let's do logic for a second.
We know we have a cop.
We know that JJB claimed tracker.
- If he's scum and there's a real tracker, that tracker should have countered him by now.
- If he's scum and there's a real doc, the doc should have countered by now because LS' flip revealed the fake.
Unless our blue is friggin retarded this game, JJB is the real tracker. That's not the question. The question is: 1. Mafia know town has cop/tracker 2. Mafia keeps tracker around seemingly planning to CC JJB 3. Don't ever CC JJB Why? It tells me that mafia aren't really familiar with setups like this and are likely less experienced and less involved. Which points more towards 3 newer players. Or has less credibility than JJB. Or it's WIFOM. geript, I'm not lynching people based on this type of setup speculation. It's not good play. It's a good reason to look at the new players I'm townreading and consider that I may be wrong, yes, but it's a starting point not an end-all. LM is my lynch for today. It will take something drastic - or brilliant - to dissuade me from that. I have too many question marks regarding other players. DID ANYBODY SAY THEY WERE LYNCHING SOMEONE BASED OFF GERIPTS ANALYSIS? Literally, point to me where anybody in this game said that? What the fuck dude. You are starting to make zero fucking sense right now.
The better question is what is your problem with me not instantly going OMG you are SO RIGHT to geript? I'm allowed to state my opinion, and that is my opinion: I don't think no CC carries as much weight as he's giving it.
Do you think his point is really that good? I don't think you ever answered that.
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On January 24 2015 10:30 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 10:27 DarthPunk wrote:On January 24 2015 10:25 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 08:32 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 08:24 geript wrote:On January 24 2015 08:15 rsoultin wrote:
So let's do logic for a second.
We know we have a cop.
We know that JJB claimed tracker.
- If he's scum and there's a real tracker, that tracker should have countered him by now.
- If he's scum and there's a real doc, the doc should have countered by now because LS' flip revealed the fake.
Unless our blue is friggin retarded this game, JJB is the real tracker. That's not the question. The question is: 1. Mafia know town has cop/tracker 2. Mafia keeps tracker around seemingly planning to CC JJB 3. Don't ever CC JJB Why? It tells me that mafia aren't really familiar with setups like this and are likely less experienced and less involved. Which points more towards 3 newer players. Or has less credibility than JJB. Or it's WIFOM. geript, I'm not lynching people based on this type of setup speculation. It's not good play. It's a good reason to look at the new players I'm townreading and consider that I may be wrong, yes, but it's a starting point not an end-all. LM is my lynch for today. It will take something drastic - or brilliant - to dissuade me from that. I have too many question marks regarding other players. DID ANYBODY SAY THEY WERE LYNCHING SOMEONE BASED OFF GERIPTS ANALYSIS? Literally, point to me where anybody in this game said that? What the fuck dude. You are starting to make zero fucking sense right now. The better question is what is your problem with me not instantly going OMG you are SO RIGHT to geript? I'm allowed to state my opinion, and that is my opinion: I don't think no CC carries as much weight as he's giving it. Do you think his point is really that good? I don't think you ever answered that.
On January 24 2015 10:22 DarthPunk wrote:
Geript had solid analysis on the night kills, the GB kill makes zero sense and anyone who has played scum before would auto kill JJB imo. I agree with the conclusion that geript made about the scum team probably being noobs.
You are going full derp this morning.
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On January 24 2015 10:28 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 10:27 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 10:22 DarthPunk wrote:On January 24 2015 10:18 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 10:13 DarthPunk wrote:On January 24 2015 08:32 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 08:24 geript wrote:On January 24 2015 08:15 rsoultin wrote:
So let's do logic for a second.
We know we have a cop.
We know that JJB claimed tracker.
- If he's scum and there's a real tracker, that tracker should have countered him by now.
- If he's scum and there's a real doc, the doc should have countered by now because LS' flip revealed the fake.
Unless our blue is friggin retarded this game, JJB is the real tracker. That's not the question. The question is: 1. Mafia know town has cop/tracker 2. Mafia keeps tracker around seemingly planning to CC JJB 3. Don't ever CC JJB Why? It tells me that mafia aren't really familiar with setups like this and are likely less experienced and less involved. Which points more towards 3 newer players. Or has less credibility than JJB. Or it's WIFOM. geript, I'm not lynching people based on this type of setup speculation. It's not good play. It's a good reason to look at the new players I'm townreading and consider that I may be wrong, yes, but it's a starting point not an end-all. LM is my lynch for today. It will take something drastic - or brilliant - to dissuade me from that. I have too many question marks regarding other players. Why are you having such a strong reaction to geript's analysis here? Like geript has a good point about the night kills. He isn't calling JJB scum, but you seem to be invested in not talking about this. Is this a good point DP? Do you think the night kills eliminates the possibility of veteran mafia players ever being scum? Where is your cut-off for "veteran"? This is a coached game, which makes the newbie scum argument less valid anyway, and a pretty obvious play imo. As I said, it's worth taking another look and reconsidering my reads, but it is not good enough alone to lynch on. I want to get my one pretty sure scumread lynched. It's that simple. If I see someone with a better case that I can verify and makes sense to sheep, sure, but until then I'm going to push that scumread, plain and simple. Nobody said anything about not lynching your scumread... Nobody said anything about lynching someone based on geripts analysis. Geript had solid analysis on the night kills, the GB kill makes zero sense and anyone who has played scum before would auto kill JJB imo. I agree with the conclusion that geript made about the scum team probably being noobs. Why are you having such a strong reaction to this? It can't be because you don;t want to lynch based off his analysis because nobody suggested that. Clear now? No. Not really. Repeating yourself when I clearly have no fucking Idea what you are talking about in the first place does not clarify anything for me.
You asked me why I was having a strong reaction to something. From my perspective I'm not responding strongly to it at all. In fact, the opposite is true. I'm not finding his point compelling. Reacting strongly to it would be more along the lines of saying "geript, you have to be mafia or stupid just bringing this up".
I don't think that. I just don't think his point was earth-shattering.
Why do you think this is a strong reaction?
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On January 24 2015 10:38 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 10:28 DarthPunk wrote:On January 24 2015 10:27 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 10:22 DarthPunk wrote:On January 24 2015 10:18 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 10:13 DarthPunk wrote:On January 24 2015 08:32 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 08:24 geript wrote:On January 24 2015 08:15 rsoultin wrote:
So let's do logic for a second.
We know we have a cop.
We know that JJB claimed tracker.
- If he's scum and there's a real tracker, that tracker should have countered him by now.
- If he's scum and there's a real doc, the doc should have countered by now because LS' flip revealed the fake.
Unless our blue is friggin retarded this game, JJB is the real tracker. That's not the question. The question is: 1. Mafia know town has cop/tracker 2. Mafia keeps tracker around seemingly planning to CC JJB 3. Don't ever CC JJB Why? It tells me that mafia aren't really familiar with setups like this and are likely less experienced and less involved. Which points more towards 3 newer players. Or has less credibility than JJB. Or it's WIFOM. geript, I'm not lynching people based on this type of setup speculation. It's not good play. It's a good reason to look at the new players I'm townreading and consider that I may be wrong, yes, but it's a starting point not an end-all. LM is my lynch for today. It will take something drastic - or brilliant - to dissuade me from that. I have too many question marks regarding other players. Why are you having such a strong reaction to geript's analysis here? Like geript has a good point about the night kills. He isn't calling JJB scum, but you seem to be invested in not talking about this. Is this a good point DP? Do you think the night kills eliminates the possibility of veteran mafia players ever being scum? Where is your cut-off for "veteran"? This is a coached game, which makes the newbie scum argument less valid anyway, and a pretty obvious play imo. As I said, it's worth taking another look and reconsidering my reads, but it is not good enough alone to lynch on. I want to get my one pretty sure scumread lynched. It's that simple. If I see someone with a better case that I can verify and makes sense to sheep, sure, but until then I'm going to push that scumread, plain and simple. Nobody said anything about not lynching your scumread... Nobody said anything about lynching someone based on geripts analysis. Geript had solid analysis on the night kills, the GB kill makes zero sense and anyone who has played scum before would auto kill JJB imo. I agree with the conclusion that geript made about the scum team probably being noobs. Why are you having such a strong reaction to this? It can't be because you don;t want to lynch based off his analysis because nobody suggested that. Clear now? No. Not really. Repeating yourself when I clearly have no fucking Idea what you are talking about in the first place does not clarify anything for me. You asked me why I was having a strong reaction to something. From my perspective I'm not responding strongly to it at all. In fact, the opposite is true. I'm not finding his point compelling. Reacting strongly to it would be more along the lines of saying "geript, you have to be mafia or stupid just bringing this up". I don't think that. I just don't think his point was earth-shattering. Why do you think this is a strong reaction?
Cause It seems that way to me?
Like if you don't feel that way i'm not going to convince you that you do.
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On January 24 2015 10:39 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 10:38 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 10:28 DarthPunk wrote:On January 24 2015 10:27 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 10:22 DarthPunk wrote:On January 24 2015 10:18 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 10:13 DarthPunk wrote:On January 24 2015 08:32 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 08:24 geript wrote:On January 24 2015 08:15 rsoultin wrote:
So let's do logic for a second.
We know we have a cop.
We know that JJB claimed tracker.
- If he's scum and there's a real tracker, that tracker should have countered him by now.
- If he's scum and there's a real doc, the doc should have countered by now because LS' flip revealed the fake.
Unless our blue is friggin retarded this game, JJB is the real tracker. That's not the question. The question is: 1. Mafia know town has cop/tracker 2. Mafia keeps tracker around seemingly planning to CC JJB 3. Don't ever CC JJB Why? It tells me that mafia aren't really familiar with setups like this and are likely less experienced and less involved. Which points more towards 3 newer players. Or has less credibility than JJB. Or it's WIFOM. geript, I'm not lynching people based on this type of setup speculation. It's not good play. It's a good reason to look at the new players I'm townreading and consider that I may be wrong, yes, but it's a starting point not an end-all. LM is my lynch for today. It will take something drastic - or brilliant - to dissuade me from that. I have too many question marks regarding other players. Why are you having such a strong reaction to geript's analysis here? Like geript has a good point about the night kills. He isn't calling JJB scum, but you seem to be invested in not talking about this. Is this a good point DP? Do you think the night kills eliminates the possibility of veteran mafia players ever being scum? Where is your cut-off for "veteran"? This is a coached game, which makes the newbie scum argument less valid anyway, and a pretty obvious play imo. As I said, it's worth taking another look and reconsidering my reads, but it is not good enough alone to lynch on. I want to get my one pretty sure scumread lynched. It's that simple. If I see someone with a better case that I can verify and makes sense to sheep, sure, but until then I'm going to push that scumread, plain and simple. Nobody said anything about not lynching your scumread... Nobody said anything about lynching someone based on geripts analysis. Geript had solid analysis on the night kills, the GB kill makes zero sense and anyone who has played scum before would auto kill JJB imo. I agree with the conclusion that geript made about the scum team probably being noobs. Why are you having such a strong reaction to this? It can't be because you don;t want to lynch based off his analysis because nobody suggested that. Clear now? No. Not really. Repeating yourself when I clearly have no fucking Idea what you are talking about in the first place does not clarify anything for me. You asked me why I was having a strong reaction to something. From my perspective I'm not responding strongly to it at all. In fact, the opposite is true. I'm not finding his point compelling. Reacting strongly to it would be more along the lines of saying "geript, you have to be mafia or stupid just bringing this up". I don't think that. I just don't think his point was earth-shattering. Why do you think this is a strong reaction? Cause It seems that way to me? Like if you don't feel that way i'm not going to convince you that you do.
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No, you're really not going to convince me that I'm feeling something I'm not. Good statement. -_- I'm sorry, but this seems like a very pointless conversation.
I know that you answered my question, but I guess I'm still trying to follow why 1+1 = 3. You honestly think that a GB NK and no CC on JJB = no veterans could possibly be scum?
I mean, it does remove you from suspicion, so I suppose I can see the appeal of the argument to you in that sense, but as I said before this is a coached game. And odd as it may seem to you I don't really see a CC being so outside the realm of thought of new players that they wouldn't consider it. The fact that JJB was RBd and NKd in fact suggests that someone was at least considering CCing him.
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Damdred - lol? That's why I'm posting, to talk about what's going on. My last post on Geript is something going on now. Nice to see a vote on me as soon as I post, though, DP.
DP - Simple answer? Because I'm town and only scum would want to lynch town. More than that? I'm limited in my playing and posting time and I've come in here trying my hardest to respond to what I can as well as defend myself as well as give what reads I can pick up on. Anything more you want than that, go look at my filter and decide why you shouldn't lynch me. I'm not going to read myself for you. Like I mentioned with LM, I'm the low hanging fruit for a mislynch and I refuse to be that for scum on D3.
Also, I believe the post I posted before that one you quoted explained why I believe LM is scum. As well as 1 or 2 more in my filter before it. I trust my gut feelings and when I can support them with the thread, I follow my gut. In the last Newbie, I was VT and at one point had 2/3 scum pegged in Celestial and Scott. If I have to trust someone right now, it is myself. And you're basically asking me to repeat what I've said about LM yet again. Go through my filter, it shouldn't be too hard to see why I think LM is scum. It has been there for a while. For someone who made a big fuss about Damdred reading your filter, you don't seem to have really read mine.
Hm. If LM isn't scum? Damdred and either Bresh or Geript. Damdred I made points on earlier when I voted LM. I even specifically said Damdred pushing LM was possibly scummy vs townie, since he probably felt he was just echoing thread sentiment in the LM push. I also said it might be paranoia and that Breshke could be equally culpable, since his play picked up the moment Trfel died. One scum down, maybe his teammate pressured him into putting some effort in.
Again, all paranoia because I'm pretty sure LM will flip scum but since you asked, it was pretty much already there in my filter, too. =l
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Okay, let's approach this from a different angle.
Who here would have believed a tracker or doctor claim on Day 3, even moments after the day began? The tracker would have known the moment JJB claimed EoD 1, and the doctor should have protected LS. In fact, an NK on LS in and of itself suggests there's no doctor in the game, because it's an obvious save: the claimed cop whose red check flipped scum.
You don't think it would be suicide to CC JJB now? I'd definitely find a CC very unbelievable today.
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On January 24 2015 10:46 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 10:39 DarthPunk wrote:On January 24 2015 10:38 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 10:28 DarthPunk wrote:On January 24 2015 10:27 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 10:22 DarthPunk wrote:On January 24 2015 10:18 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 10:13 DarthPunk wrote:On January 24 2015 08:32 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 08:24 geript wrote:
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That's not the question. The question is:
1. Mafia know town has cop/tracker
2. Mafia keeps tracker around seemingly planning to CC JJB
3. Don't ever CC JJB
Why? It tells me that mafia aren't really familiar with setups like this and are likely less experienced and less involved. Which points more towards 3 newer players. Or has less credibility than JJB. Or it's WIFOM. geript, I'm not lynching people based on this type of setup speculation. It's not good play. It's a good reason to look at the new players I'm townreading and consider that I may be wrong, yes, but it's a starting point not an end-all. LM is my lynch for today. It will take something drastic - or brilliant - to dissuade me from that. I have too many question marks regarding other players. Why are you having such a strong reaction to geript's analysis here? Like geript has a good point about the night kills. He isn't calling JJB scum, but you seem to be invested in not talking about this. Is this a good point DP? Do you think the night kills eliminates the possibility of veteran mafia players ever being scum? Where is your cut-off for "veteran"? This is a coached game, which makes the newbie scum argument less valid anyway, and a pretty obvious play imo. As I said, it's worth taking another look and reconsidering my reads, but it is not good enough alone to lynch on. I want to get my one pretty sure scumread lynched. It's that simple. If I see someone with a better case that I can verify and makes sense to sheep, sure, but until then I'm going to push that scumread, plain and simple. Nobody said anything about not lynching your scumread... Nobody said anything about lynching someone based on geripts analysis. Geript had solid analysis on the night kills, the GB kill makes zero sense and anyone who has played scum before would auto kill JJB imo. I agree with the conclusion that geript made about the scum team probably being noobs. Why are you having such a strong reaction to this? It can't be because you don;t want to lynch based off his analysis because nobody suggested that. Clear now? No. Not really. Repeating yourself when I clearly have no fucking Idea what you are talking about in the first place does not clarify anything for me. You asked me why I was having a strong reaction to something. From my perspective I'm not responding strongly to it at all. In fact, the opposite is true. I'm not finding his point compelling. Reacting strongly to it would be more along the lines of saying "geript, you have to be mafia or stupid just bringing this up". I don't think that. I just don't think his point was earth-shattering. Why do you think this is a strong reaction? Cause It seems that way to me? Like if you don't feel that way i'm not going to convince you that you do. ...
No, you're really not going to convince me that I'm feeling something I'm not. Good statement. -_- I'm sorry, but this seems like a very pointless conversation.
And yet that is what it seemed like you were trying to do. You became very combative when talking about this point from geript. anyway I agree it is a pointless conversation and I have gotten everything I can out of it.
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On January 24 2015 10:56 rsoultin wrote:
Okay, let's approach this from a different angle.
Who here would have believed a tracker or doctor claim on Day 3, even moments after the day began? The tracker would have known the moment JJB claimed EoD 1, and the doctor should have protected LS. In fact, an NK on LS in and of itself suggests there's no doctor in the game, because it's an obvious save: the claimed cop whose red check flipped scum.
You don't think it would be suicide to CC JJB now? I'd definitely find a CC very unbelievable today.
It depends on who claimed and how they claimed.
JJB is town only for his claim. He is not objectively townie when considering him sans claim.
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Why is geript never here when I am here.
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On January 24 2015 11:10 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 10:46 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 10:39 DarthPunk wrote:On January 24 2015 10:38 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 10:28 DarthPunk wrote:On January 24 2015 10:27 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 10:22 DarthPunk wrote:On January 24 2015 10:18 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 10:13 DarthPunk wrote:On January 24 2015 08:32 rsoultin wrote:
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Or has less credibility than JJB. Or it's WIFOM. geript, I'm not lynching people based on this type of setup speculation. It's not good play. It's a good reason to look at the new players I'm townreading and consider that I may be wrong, yes, but it's a starting point not an end-all.
LM is my lynch for today. It will take something drastic - or brilliant - to dissuade me from that. I have too many question marks regarding other players.
Why are you having such a strong reaction to geript's analysis here? Like geript has a good point about the night kills. He isn't calling JJB scum, but you seem to be invested in not talking about this. Is this a good point DP? Do you think the night kills eliminates the possibility of veteran mafia players ever being scum? Where is your cut-off for "veteran"? This is a coached game, which makes the newbie scum argument less valid anyway, and a pretty obvious play imo. As I said, it's worth taking another look and reconsidering my reads, but it is not good enough alone to lynch on. I want to get my one pretty sure scumread lynched. It's that simple. If I see someone with a better case that I can verify and makes sense to sheep, sure, but until then I'm going to push that scumread, plain and simple. Nobody said anything about not lynching your scumread... Nobody said anything about lynching someone based on geripts analysis. Geript had solid analysis on the night kills, the GB kill makes zero sense and anyone who has played scum before would auto kill JJB imo. I agree with the conclusion that geript made about the scum team probably being noobs. Why are you having such a strong reaction to this? It can't be because you don;t want to lynch based off his analysis because nobody suggested that. Clear now? No. Not really. Repeating yourself when I clearly have no fucking Idea what you are talking about in the first place does not clarify anything for me. You asked me why I was having a strong reaction to something. From my perspective I'm not responding strongly to it at all. In fact, the opposite is true. I'm not finding his point compelling. Reacting strongly to it would be more along the lines of saying "geript, you have to be mafia or stupid just bringing this up". I don't think that. I just don't think his point was earth-shattering. Why do you think this is a strong reaction? Cause It seems that way to me? Like if you don't feel that way i'm not going to convince you that you do. ...
No, you're really not going to convince me that I'm feeling something I'm not. Good statement. -_- I'm sorry, but this seems like a very pointless conversation.
And yet that is what it seemed like you were trying to do. You became very combative when talking about this point from geript. anyway I agree it is a pointless conversation and I have gotten everything I can out of it.
While still avoiding the question I asked you.
Do you
or do you not
think that a GB NK
and a RB on JJB
adds up to
no possible vets
in the scum team?
why?
Maybe if I break it up like that it will be harder to overlook.
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Shining how was I echoing thread sentiment when I brought up original points at the time against him?
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