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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
January 24 2015 02:30 GMT
#1481
On January 24 2015 11:16 rsoultin wrote:
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On January 24 2015 11:10 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:46 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:39 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:38 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:28 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:27 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:22 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:18 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:13 DarthPunk wrote:
[quote]

Why are you having such a strong reaction to geript's analysis here?

Like geript has a good point about the night kills. He isn't calling JJB scum, but you seem to be invested in not talking about this.




Is this a good point DP? Do you think the night kills eliminates the possibility of veteran mafia players ever being scum? Where is your cut-off for "veteran"?

This is a coached game, which makes the newbie scum argument less valid anyway, and a pretty obvious play imo. As I said, it's worth taking another look and reconsidering my reads, but it is not good enough alone to lynch on.

I want to get my one pretty sure scumread lynched. It's that simple. If I see someone with a better case that I can verify and makes sense to sheep, sure, but until then I'm going to push that scumread, plain and simple.


Nobody said anything about not lynching your scumread... Nobody said anything about lynching someone based on geripts analysis.

Geript had solid analysis on the night kills, the GB kill makes zero sense and anyone who has played scum before would auto kill JJB imo. I agree with the conclusion that geript made about the scum team probably being noobs.

Why are you having such a strong reaction to this? It can't be because you don;t want to lynch based off his analysis because nobody suggested that.


Clear now?


No. Not really. Repeating yourself when I clearly have no fucking Idea what you are talking about in the first place does not clarify anything for me.


You asked me why I was having a strong reaction to something. From my perspective I'm not responding strongly to it at all. In fact, the opposite is true. I'm not finding his point compelling. Reacting strongly to it would be more along the lines of saying "geript, you have to be mafia or stupid just bringing this up".

I don't think that. I just don't think his point was earth-shattering.

Why do you think this is a strong reaction?


Cause It seems that way to me?

Like if you don't feel that way i'm not going to convince you that you do.


...

No, you're really not going to convince me that I'm feeling something I'm not. Good statement. -_- I'm sorry, but this seems like a very pointless conversation.


And yet that is what it seemed like you were trying to do. You became very combative when talking about this point from geript. anyway I agree it is a pointless conversation and I have gotten everything I can out of it.


While still avoiding the question I asked you.

Do you
or do you not
think that a GB NK
and a RB on JJB
adds up to
no possible vets
in the scum team?

why?

Maybe if I break it up like that it will be harder to overlook.


I ALREADY FUCKING TOLD YOU YOU NONCE
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
January 24 2015 02:30 GMT
#1482
On January 24 2015 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:
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On January 24 2015 10:30 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:27 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:25 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 08:32 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 08:24 geript wrote:
On January 24 2015 08:15 rsoultin wrote:
So let's do logic for a second.

We know we have a cop.

We know that JJB claimed tracker.
- If he's scum and there's a real tracker, that tracker should have countered him by now.
- If he's scum and there's a real doc, the doc should have countered by now because LS' flip revealed the fake.

Unless our blue is friggin retarded this game, JJB is the real tracker.

That's not the question. The question is:
1. Mafia know town has cop/tracker
2. Mafia keeps tracker around seemingly planning to CC JJB
3. Don't ever CC JJB
Why? It tells me that mafia aren't really familiar with setups like this and are likely less experienced and less involved. Which points more towards 3 newer players.


Or has less credibility than JJB. Or it's WIFOM. geript, I'm not lynching people based on this type of setup speculation. It's not good play. It's a good reason to look at the new players I'm townreading and consider that I may be wrong, yes, but it's a starting point not an end-all.

LM is my lynch for today. It will take something drastic - or brilliant - to dissuade me from that. I have too many question marks regarding other players.



DID ANYBODY SAY THEY WERE LYNCHING SOMEONE BASED OFF GERIPTS ANALYSIS?

Literally, point to me where anybody in this game said that?

What the fuck dude. You are starting to make zero fucking sense right now.


The better question is what is your problem with me not instantly going OMG you are SO RIGHT to geript? I'm allowed to state my opinion, and that is my opinion: I don't think no CC carries as much weight as he's giving it.

Do you think his point is really that good? I don't think you ever answered that.


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On January 24 2015 10:22 DarthPunk wrote:
Geript had solid analysis on the night kills, the GB kill makes zero sense and anyone who has played scum before would auto kill JJB imo. I agree with the conclusion that geript made about the scum team probably being noobs.


You are going full derp this morning.

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
January 24 2015 02:30 GMT
#1483
On January 24 2015 10:22 DarthPunk wrote:
Geript had solid analysis on the night kills, the GB kill makes zero sense and anyone who has played scum before would auto kill JJB imo. I agree with the conclusion that geript made about the scum team probably being noobs.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 24 2015 02:36 GMT
#1484
On January 24 2015 11:30 DarthPunk wrote:
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On January 24 2015 11:16 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 11:10 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:46 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:39 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:38 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:28 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:27 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:22 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:18 rsoultin wrote:
[quote]

Is this a good point DP? Do you think the night kills eliminates the possibility of veteran mafia players ever being scum? Where is your cut-off for "veteran"?

This is a coached game, which makes the newbie scum argument less valid anyway, and a pretty obvious play imo. As I said, it's worth taking another look and reconsidering my reads, but it is not good enough alone to lynch on.

I want to get my one pretty sure scumread lynched. It's that simple. If I see someone with a better case that I can verify and makes sense to sheep, sure, but until then I'm going to push that scumread, plain and simple.


Nobody said anything about not lynching your scumread... Nobody said anything about lynching someone based on geripts analysis.

Geript had solid analysis on the night kills, the GB kill makes zero sense and anyone who has played scum before would auto kill JJB imo. I agree with the conclusion that geript made about the scum team probably being noobs.

Why are you having such a strong reaction to this? It can't be because you don;t want to lynch based off his analysis because nobody suggested that.


Clear now?


No. Not really. Repeating yourself when I clearly have no fucking Idea what you are talking about in the first place does not clarify anything for me.


You asked me why I was having a strong reaction to something. From my perspective I'm not responding strongly to it at all. In fact, the opposite is true. I'm not finding his point compelling. Reacting strongly to it would be more along the lines of saying "geript, you have to be mafia or stupid just bringing this up".

I don't think that. I just don't think his point was earth-shattering.

Why do you think this is a strong reaction?


Cause It seems that way to me?

Like if you don't feel that way i'm not going to convince you that you do.


...

No, you're really not going to convince me that I'm feeling something I'm not. Good statement. -_- I'm sorry, but this seems like a very pointless conversation.


And yet that is what it seemed like you were trying to do. You became very combative when talking about this point from geript. anyway I agree it is a pointless conversation and I have gotten everything I can out of it.


While still avoiding the question I asked you.

Do you
or do you not
think that a GB NK
and a RB on JJB
adds up to
no possible vets
in the scum team?

why?

Maybe if I break it up like that it will be harder to overlook.


I ALREADY FUCKING TOLD YOU YOU NONCE


Alright then. If that's what you genuinely think. So you don't think anything I said at all made sense? To you there is no situation/possibility whatsoever to explain those two things but a scum team completely made of noobs.

Well you're definitely not on my list of the most logical players in this game

BTW ^ that is what would be called a strong reaction.

Asking you if your opinion remains the same after presenting a different viewpoint is hardly a reason to yell xP
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
January 24 2015 02:38 GMT
#1485
On January 24 2015 11:36 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2015 11:30 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 11:16 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 11:10 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:46 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:39 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:38 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:28 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:27 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:22 DarthPunk wrote:
[quote]

Nobody said anything about not lynching your scumread... Nobody said anything about lynching someone based on geripts analysis.

Geript had solid analysis on the night kills, the GB kill makes zero sense and anyone who has played scum before would auto kill JJB imo. I agree with the conclusion that geript made about the scum team probably being noobs.

Why are you having such a strong reaction to this? It can't be because you don;t want to lynch based off his analysis because nobody suggested that.


Clear now?


No. Not really. Repeating yourself when I clearly have no fucking Idea what you are talking about in the first place does not clarify anything for me.


You asked me why I was having a strong reaction to something. From my perspective I'm not responding strongly to it at all. In fact, the opposite is true. I'm not finding his point compelling. Reacting strongly to it would be more along the lines of saying "geript, you have to be mafia or stupid just bringing this up".

I don't think that. I just don't think his point was earth-shattering.

Why do you think this is a strong reaction?


Cause It seems that way to me?

Like if you don't feel that way i'm not going to convince you that you do.


...

No, you're really not going to convince me that I'm feeling something I'm not. Good statement. -_- I'm sorry, but this seems like a very pointless conversation.


And yet that is what it seemed like you were trying to do. You became very combative when talking about this point from geript. anyway I agree it is a pointless conversation and I have gotten everything I can out of it.


While still avoiding the question I asked you.

Do you
or do you not
think that a GB NK
and a RB on JJB
adds up to
no possible vets
in the scum team?

why?

Maybe if I break it up like that it will be harder to overlook.


I ALREADY FUCKING TOLD YOU YOU NONCE


Alright then. If that's what you genuinely think. So you don't think anything I said at all made sense? To you there is no situation/possibility whatsoever to explain those two things but a scum team completely made of noobs.

Well you're definitely not on my list of the most logical players in this game

BTW ^ that is what would be called a strong reaction.

Asking you if your opinion remains the same after presenting a different viewpoint is hardly a reason to yell xP


It is a strong reaction because you are asking me to answer the same fucking question and you are clearly not reading the fucking thread or the person posts whom you are in a conversation with.

You are either dense as f_Ck or scum.

and yes you can have a whole bunch of scum cred for this retarded conversation.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
January 24 2015 02:43 GMT
#1486
On January 24 2015 11:36 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2015 11:30 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 11:16 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 11:10 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:46 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:39 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:38 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:28 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:27 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:22 DarthPunk wrote:
[quote]

Nobody said anything about not lynching your scumread... Nobody said anything about lynching someone based on geripts analysis.

Geript had solid analysis on the night kills, the GB kill makes zero sense and anyone who has played scum before would auto kill JJB imo. I agree with the conclusion that geript made about the scum team probably being noobs.

Why are you having such a strong reaction to this? It can't be because you don;t want to lynch based off his analysis because nobody suggested that.


Clear now?


No. Not really. Repeating yourself when I clearly have no fucking Idea what you are talking about in the first place does not clarify anything for me.


You asked me why I was having a strong reaction to something. From my perspective I'm not responding strongly to it at all. In fact, the opposite is true. I'm not finding his point compelling. Reacting strongly to it would be more along the lines of saying "geript, you have to be mafia or stupid just bringing this up".

I don't think that. I just don't think his point was earth-shattering.

Why do you think this is a strong reaction?


Cause It seems that way to me?

Like if you don't feel that way i'm not going to convince you that you do.


...

No, you're really not going to convince me that I'm feeling something I'm not. Good statement. -_- I'm sorry, but this seems like a very pointless conversation.


And yet that is what it seemed like you were trying to do. You became very combative when talking about this point from geript. anyway I agree it is a pointless conversation and I have gotten everything I can out of it.


While still avoiding the question I asked you.

Do you
or do you not
think that a GB NK
and a RB on JJB
adds up to
no possible vets
in the scum team?

why?

Maybe if I break it up like that it will be harder to overlook.


I ALREADY FUCKING TOLD YOU YOU NONCE


Alright then. If that's what you genuinely think. So you don't think anything I said at all made sense? To you there is no situation/possibility whatsoever to explain those two things but a scum team completely made of noobs.



Stop putting words in my mouth.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
January 24 2015 02:45 GMT
#1487
God you are literally twisting my words there.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 24 2015 02:47 GMT
#1488
On January 24 2015 11:43 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2015 11:36 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 11:30 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 11:16 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 11:10 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:46 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:39 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:38 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:28 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:27 rsoultin wrote:
[quote]

Clear now?


No. Not really. Repeating yourself when I clearly have no fucking Idea what you are talking about in the first place does not clarify anything for me.


You asked me why I was having a strong reaction to something. From my perspective I'm not responding strongly to it at all. In fact, the opposite is true. I'm not finding his point compelling. Reacting strongly to it would be more along the lines of saying "geript, you have to be mafia or stupid just bringing this up".

I don't think that. I just don't think his point was earth-shattering.

Why do you think this is a strong reaction?


Cause It seems that way to me?

Like if you don't feel that way i'm not going to convince you that you do.


...

No, you're really not going to convince me that I'm feeling something I'm not. Good statement. -_- I'm sorry, but this seems like a very pointless conversation.


And yet that is what it seemed like you were trying to do. You became very combative when talking about this point from geript. anyway I agree it is a pointless conversation and I have gotten everything I can out of it.


While still avoiding the question I asked you.

Do you
or do you not
think that a GB NK
and a RB on JJB
adds up to
no possible vets
in the scum team?

why?

Maybe if I break it up like that it will be harder to overlook.


I ALREADY FUCKING TOLD YOU YOU NONCE


Alright then. If that's what you genuinely think. So you don't think anything I said at all made sense? To you there is no situation/possibility whatsoever to explain those two things but a scum team completely made of noobs.



Stop putting words in my mouth.


Lol, this was what I asked you earlier, a couple times, which you kept answering with your former post before our conversation even began. It's hardly putting words in your mouth. If you intended to answer differently you had every opportunity to.

Push me then, DP. Since this conversation makes me scum.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 24 2015 02:51 GMT
#1489
There is a difference between saying something probably means something, and saying that there's no other possible situation. Please reread my posts. I was asking you if you thought that meant it wasn't possible for vets to be on the scum team.

Because if you still think it's possible then that's exactly what I think, and that's exactly why I don't think geript's point is enough to incriminate certain people and exonerate others.

Am I making sense to you? Or are you determined to fight with me to the bitter end? lol
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
January 24 2015 03:03 GMT
#1490
On January 24 2015 11:47 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2015 11:43 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 11:36 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 11:30 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 11:16 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 11:10 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:46 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:39 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:38 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:28 DarthPunk wrote:
[quote]

No. Not really. Repeating yourself when I clearly have no fucking Idea what you are talking about in the first place does not clarify anything for me.


You asked me why I was having a strong reaction to something. From my perspective I'm not responding strongly to it at all. In fact, the opposite is true. I'm not finding his point compelling. Reacting strongly to it would be more along the lines of saying "geript, you have to be mafia or stupid just bringing this up".

I don't think that. I just don't think his point was earth-shattering.

Why do you think this is a strong reaction?


Cause It seems that way to me?

Like if you don't feel that way i'm not going to convince you that you do.


...

No, you're really not going to convince me that I'm feeling something I'm not. Good statement. -_- I'm sorry, but this seems like a very pointless conversation.


And yet that is what it seemed like you were trying to do. You became very combative when talking about this point from geript. anyway I agree it is a pointless conversation and I have gotten everything I can out of it.


While still avoiding the question I asked you.

Do you
or do you not
think that a GB NK
and a RB on JJB
adds up to
no possible vets
in the scum team?

why?

Maybe if I break it up like that it will be harder to overlook.


I ALREADY FUCKING TOLD YOU YOU NONCE


Alright then. If that's what you genuinely think. So you don't think anything I said at all made sense? To you there is no situation/possibility whatsoever to explain those two things but a scum team completely made of noobs.



Stop putting words in my mouth.


Lol, this was what I asked you earlier, a couple times, which you kept answering with your former post before our conversation even began. It's hardly putting words in your mouth. If you intended to answer differently you had every opportunity to.

Push me then, DP. Since this conversation makes me scum.


Where did I say that? Point out where I said that?

Stop twisting my words.

Stop drawing connclusions that are different from what I am saying.

Here is what I think:

I agreed with geript's reasoning on the night one shot. I also noted you were combative when talking about it.

You then argue that you were not combative about it whilst becoming more combative and passive aggressive around geripts reasoning that I agree with?

You ask me if I agree with geripts reasoning?

I respond yes.

You ask me again, I respond yes again.

You ask me again and I go WTF?!? I already answered this question.

YES!

Then you say, "Oh so you agree with geripts reasoning and because you agree you also believe there is no possible alternative to geripts reasoning" (which is a stupid and irrelevant proposition)

No. That is not what I said. I don't think a 100% conclusion can be made. And the fact that you are being weirdly passive aggressive and combative about a small piece of analysis looks scummy to me. And the way you are adjusting my arguments to presumably suit your narrative rather than get a truthful idea of my opinion is ALSO scummy.

then you say: "You called me scum then you have to push me."

No, you are doing it again, I said this passage of play = scummy. Therefore you irrationally extend my statement into some form of combative statement.

But you know what. Reading your filter.

You could have easily bussed trefel from the start.

You could have easily been trying to set up mislynches for that and geript could easily be right in his analysis and it freaked you out so you got all weird and outed yourself talking about something with little direct relevance to the lynch today.

##Unvote

##Vote: Rso



"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
January 24 2015 03:06 GMT
#1491
On January 24 2015 11:51 rsoultin wrote:
Because if you still think it's possible then that's exactly what I think, and that's exactly why I don't think geript's point is enough to incriminate certain people and exonerate others.



Point out to me. Where. ANYONE. CHANGED THEIR READS BASED ON GERIPTS ANALYSIS.

You seem paranoid at a townie analyzing the night kill, or anyone drawing conclusions from it when nobody is doing that at all. THAT IS SCUMMY AS SHIT.

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
January 24 2015 03:07 GMT
#1492
On January 24 2015 11:25 Damdred wrote:
Shining how was I echoing thread sentiment when I brought up original points at the time against him?


You had some original points against him at the time of you casing him, yes, but I guess I expressed that thought wrong. What I meant was you planted the LM case and let it sit N2 and then came out the gate pushing it after Bresh appeared with his LM case. Also, I had already questioned LMs activity at this point, too. The support for the LM lynch picked up overnight you could've seen that as an opportunity to push the mislynch.

Again, this is all on LM flipping Town, which I don't see happening. Tin foil hats. I'm actually more suspicious of Geript pushing a counterlynch on you instead. Repeating myself here but unless he really is convinced LM isn't scum, I don't see the sense in replacing him with you as the lynch. Unless this is trying to save a scum mate late in the game?

Too much tinfoil cuz LM hasn't flipped yet but still worth mentioning for once he does flip scum.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 24 2015 03:07 GMT
#1493
On January 24 2015 11:16 rsoultin wrote:
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On January 24 2015 11:10 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:46 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:39 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:38 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:28 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:27 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:22 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:18 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:13 DarthPunk wrote:
[quote]

Why are you having such a strong reaction to geript's analysis here?

Like geript has a good point about the night kills. He isn't calling JJB scum, but you seem to be invested in not talking about this.




Is this a good point DP? Do you think the night kills eliminates the possibility of veteran mafia players ever being scum? Where is your cut-off for "veteran"?

This is a coached game, which makes the newbie scum argument less valid anyway, and a pretty obvious play imo. As I said, it's worth taking another look and reconsidering my reads, but it is not good enough alone to lynch on.

I want to get my one pretty sure scumread lynched. It's that simple. If I see someone with a better case that I can verify and makes sense to sheep, sure, but until then I'm going to push that scumread, plain and simple.


Nobody said anything about not lynching your scumread... Nobody said anything about lynching someone based on geripts analysis.

Geript had solid analysis on the night kills, the GB kill makes zero sense and anyone who has played scum before would auto kill JJB imo. I agree with the conclusion that geript made about the scum team probably being noobs.

Why are you having such a strong reaction to this? It can't be because you don;t want to lynch based off his analysis because nobody suggested that.


Clear now?


No. Not really. Repeating yourself when I clearly have no fucking Idea what you are talking about in the first place does not clarify anything for me.


You asked me why I was having a strong reaction to something. From my perspective I'm not responding strongly to it at all. In fact, the opposite is true. I'm not finding his point compelling. Reacting strongly to it would be more along the lines of saying "geript, you have to be mafia or stupid just bringing this up".

I don't think that. I just don't think his point was earth-shattering.

Why do you think this is a strong reaction?


Cause It seems that way to me?

Like if you don't feel that way i'm not going to convince you that you do.


...

No, you're really not going to convince me that I'm feeling something I'm not. Good statement. -_- I'm sorry, but this seems like a very pointless conversation.


And yet that is what it seemed like you were trying to do. You became very combative when talking about this point from geript. anyway I agree it is a pointless conversation and I have gotten everything I can out of it.


While still avoiding the question I asked you.

Do you
or do you not
think that a GB NK
and a RB on JJB
adds up to
no possible vets
in the scum team?


why?

Maybe if I break it up like that it will be harder to overlook.


How is this difficult to grasp?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
January 24 2015 03:10 GMT
#1494
On January 24 2015 12:07 rsoultin wrote:
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On January 24 2015 11:16 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 11:10 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:46 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:39 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:38 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:28 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:27 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:22 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:18 rsoultin wrote:
[quote]

Is this a good point DP? Do you think the night kills eliminates the possibility of veteran mafia players ever being scum? Where is your cut-off for "veteran"?

This is a coached game, which makes the newbie scum argument less valid anyway, and a pretty obvious play imo. As I said, it's worth taking another look and reconsidering my reads, but it is not good enough alone to lynch on.

I want to get my one pretty sure scumread lynched. It's that simple. If I see someone with a better case that I can verify and makes sense to sheep, sure, but until then I'm going to push that scumread, plain and simple.


Nobody said anything about not lynching your scumread... Nobody said anything about lynching someone based on geripts analysis.

Geript had solid analysis on the night kills, the GB kill makes zero sense and anyone who has played scum before would auto kill JJB imo. I agree with the conclusion that geript made about the scum team probably being noobs.

Why are you having such a strong reaction to this? It can't be because you don;t want to lynch based off his analysis because nobody suggested that.


Clear now?


No. Not really. Repeating yourself when I clearly have no fucking Idea what you are talking about in the first place does not clarify anything for me.


You asked me why I was having a strong reaction to something. From my perspective I'm not responding strongly to it at all. In fact, the opposite is true. I'm not finding his point compelling. Reacting strongly to it would be more along the lines of saying "geript, you have to be mafia or stupid just bringing this up".

I don't think that. I just don't think his point was earth-shattering.

Why do you think this is a strong reaction?


Cause It seems that way to me?

Like if you don't feel that way i'm not going to convince you that you do.


...

No, you're really not going to convince me that I'm feeling something I'm not. Good statement. -_- I'm sorry, but this seems like a very pointless conversation.


And yet that is what it seemed like you were trying to do. You became very combative when talking about this point from geript. anyway I agree it is a pointless conversation and I have gotten everything I can out of it.


While still avoiding the question I asked you.

Do you
or do you not
think that a GB NK
and a RB on JJB
adds up to
no possible vets
in the scum team?


why?

Maybe if I break it up like that it will be harder to overlook.


How is this difficult to grasp?


I said that is what I think. That does not mean I do not believe it is possible for a world to exist where somehow geript or especially Damdred are scum.

I think it is likely. I agree with geript. That does not preclude any other answer potentially being true which is the position you tried to shove down my throat.

You know how you could have known that? Read the post I posted like 6 times and not tried to draw an irrational logical position from that conclusion.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 24 2015 03:14 GMT
#1495
On January 24 2015 12:06 DarthPunk wrote:
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On January 24 2015 11:51 rsoultin wrote:
Because if you still think it's possible then that's exactly what I think, and that's exactly why I don't think geript's point is enough to incriminate certain people and exonerate others.



Point out to me. Where. ANYONE. CHANGED THEIR READS BASED ON GERIPTS ANALYSIS.

You seem paranoid at a townie analyzing the night kill, or anyone drawing conclusions from it when nobody is doing that at all. THAT IS SCUMMY AS SHIT.



If that's what you think, be my guest.

I can disagree with a point without people changing their reads. I'm not sure why you're so hung up on that.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 24 2015 03:17 GMT
#1496
On January 24 2015 12:10 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2015 12:07 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 11:16 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 11:10 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:46 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:39 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:38 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:28 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:27 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 10:22 DarthPunk wrote:
[quote]

Nobody said anything about not lynching your scumread... Nobody said anything about lynching someone based on geripts analysis.

Geript had solid analysis on the night kills, the GB kill makes zero sense and anyone who has played scum before would auto kill JJB imo. I agree with the conclusion that geript made about the scum team probably being noobs.

Why are you having such a strong reaction to this? It can't be because you don;t want to lynch based off his analysis because nobody suggested that.


Clear now?


No. Not really. Repeating yourself when I clearly have no fucking Idea what you are talking about in the first place does not clarify anything for me.


You asked me why I was having a strong reaction to something. From my perspective I'm not responding strongly to it at all. In fact, the opposite is true. I'm not finding his point compelling. Reacting strongly to it would be more along the lines of saying "geript, you have to be mafia or stupid just bringing this up".

I don't think that. I just don't think his point was earth-shattering.

Why do you think this is a strong reaction?


Cause It seems that way to me?

Like if you don't feel that way i'm not going to convince you that you do.


...

No, you're really not going to convince me that I'm feeling something I'm not. Good statement. -_- I'm sorry, but this seems like a very pointless conversation.


And yet that is what it seemed like you were trying to do. You became very combative when talking about this point from geript. anyway I agree it is a pointless conversation and I have gotten everything I can out of it.


While still avoiding the question I asked you.

Do you
or do you not
think that a GB NK
and a RB on JJB
adds up to
no possible vets
in the scum team?


why?

Maybe if I break it up like that it will be harder to overlook.


How is this difficult to grasp?


I said that is what I think. That does not mean I do not believe it is possible for a world to exist where somehow geript or especially Damdred are scum.

I think it is likely. I agree with geript. That does not preclude any other answer potentially being true which is the position you tried to shove down my throat.

You know how you could have known that? Read the post I posted like 6 times and not tried to draw an irrational logical position from that conclusion.


Or you simply could have answered my questions. I am not trying to paint you into a corner. If I were I'd be scumming you for this exchange. Asking you if you think something is not the same as shoving it down your throat.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 24 2015 03:22 GMT
#1497
On January 24 2015 12:07 The Shining wrote:
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On January 24 2015 11:25 Damdred wrote:
Shining how was I echoing thread sentiment when I brought up original points at the time against him?


You had some original points against him at the time of you casing him, yes, but I guess I expressed that thought wrong. What I meant was you planted the LM case and let it sit N2 and then came out the gate pushing it after Bresh appeared with his LM case. Also, I had already questioned LMs activity at this point, too. The support for the LM lynch picked up overnight you could've seen that as an opportunity to push the mislynch.

Again, this is all on LM flipping Town, which I don't see happening. Tin foil hats. I'm actually more suspicious of Geript pushing a counterlynch on you instead. Repeating myself here but unless he really is convinced LM isn't scum, I don't see the sense in replacing him with you as the lynch. Unless this is trying to save a scum mate late in the game?

Too much tinfoil cuz LM hasn't flipped yet but still worth mentioning for once he does flip scum.


Talk to me, Shining. I'm beating my head against a wall with DP and it won't get me anywhere, lol.

You said you don't think LM will flip town. I'm kind of curious as to the tinfoil hat theories if he hasn't flipped yet. We still have plenty of time to discuss that, provided LM is lynched and doesn't flip scum.

So you're scumreading geript for his push on Damdred earlier? What do you think of his comment about lynching lurkers?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
January 24 2015 03:23 GMT
#1498
On January 24 2015 12:14 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2015 12:06 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 11:51 rsoultin wrote:
Because if you still think it's possible then that's exactly what I think, and that's exactly why I don't think geript's point is enough to incriminate certain people and exonerate others.



Point out to me. Where. ANYONE. CHANGED THEIR READS BASED ON GERIPTS ANALYSIS.

You seem paranoid at a townie analyzing the night kill, or anyone drawing conclusions from it when nobody is doing that at all. THAT IS SCUMMY AS SHIT.



If that's what you think, be my guest.

I can disagree with a point without people changing their reads. I'm not sure why you're so hung up on that.

Because you kept stating that you were not going to lynch people based on geripts analysis.

When not only had nobody even suggested that. Nobody had even used that as a basis for a shift in their reads.

Anyway

##unvote

I still think you are town based on the strength of your filter before you started being impossible to deal with rationally.


"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
January 24 2015 03:25 GMT
#1499
On January 24 2015 12:07 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2015 11:25 Damdred wrote:
Shining how was I echoing thread sentiment when I brought up original points at the time against him?


You had some original points against him at the time of you casing him, yes, but I guess I expressed that thought wrong. What I meant was you planted the LM case and let it sit N2 and then came out the gate pushing it after Bresh appeared with his LM case. Also, I had already questioned LMs activity at this point, too. The support for the LM lynch picked up overnight you could've seen that as an opportunity to push the mislynch.

Again, this is all on LM flipping Town, which I don't see happening. Tin foil hats. I'm actually more suspicious of Geript pushing a counterlynch on you instead. Repeating myself here but unless he really is convinced LM isn't scum, I don't see the sense in replacing him with you as the lynch. Unless this is trying to save a scum mate late in the game?

Too much tinfoil cuz LM hasn't flipped yet but still worth mentioning for once he does flip scum.


Do you think Damdred is more likely to be town then geript?

If so why?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 24 2015 03:28 GMT
#1500
On January 24 2015 12:23 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2015 12:14 rsoultin wrote:
On January 24 2015 12:06 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 24 2015 11:51 rsoultin wrote:
Because if you still think it's possible then that's exactly what I think, and that's exactly why I don't think geript's point is enough to incriminate certain people and exonerate others.



Point out to me. Where. ANYONE. CHANGED THEIR READS BASED ON GERIPTS ANALYSIS.

You seem paranoid at a townie analyzing the night kill, or anyone drawing conclusions from it when nobody is doing that at all. THAT IS SCUMMY AS SHIT.



If that's what you think, be my guest.

I can disagree with a point without people changing their reads. I'm not sure why you're so hung up on that.

Because you kept stating that you were not going to lynch people based on geripts analysis.

When not only had nobody even suggested that. Nobody had even used that as a basis for a shift in their reads.

Anyway

##unvote

I still think you are town based on the strength of your filter before you started being impossible to deal with rationally.




Hm. Okay? I'm pretty sure I've stated other things without being prompted to as well, so I'm not sure why you put special significance on that, but that's fine. Perhaps it all goes back to your initial tone read on me.

DP, so let's say that geript's point is 100% correct. Who would your noob scum team be? I'm assuming Shining because of your earlier suspicions.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
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