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On January 20 2015 13:41 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 13:38 Breshke wrote:On January 20 2015 13:13 Damdred wrote:
Shining did a decent amount of work post flip and had some decent thoughts. Its generally a townie trait to jump straight in and get thoughts in during the night to me, some of his other things had a nice push to it as well.
Its one of my weaker town reads but I doubt I lynch him tomorrow.
I agree with the bolded part. Out of your town reads which two are you most sure on and which two are you least sure on or even list them all if that's easier because i think you're town and that means you have to be wrong on one of them. Most sure of Rsoultin and Geript at this point, least sure of Breshke and Dp. Shining is somewhere inbetween the two sets.
I thought i wasn't one of your townreads wasn't i on your PoE lynch list before?
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On January 20 2015 13:41 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 13:34 Breshke wrote:On January 20 2015 13:14 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2015 13:07 Breshke wrote:On January 20 2015 12:57 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2015 13:18 Breshke wrote:Damdred i had a look at jarjars filter and am probably agreeing with you. On January 17 2015 18:32 jarjarbinks wrote:On January 17 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:43 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:41 LightningStrike wrote:
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Meh fair enough. What are your thoughts on Tfrels actions so far? Are you not reading the thread? I just said I thought it was townie. Like we were just talking about that. Ops I was just a little bit to tunneled on replying to you. I do agree his behavior is most likely town to policy lynch a vet player Day 1 but it not exactly good idea to do it (shurgs) This is behavior that doesn't surprise me. I'm using this quote because I feel like it best justifies my argument for why I think he's town. Last game (this is a meta read), LS did things like this and got decimated for it. Almost got killed D1. Got killed D2. I would hope this doesn't happen again. On the argument that LS is acting more "ballsy" and that "ballsy=mafia" I would counter with that LS is learning the game and is more confident. Plus, I felt he was kind of right in sticking up for himself in saying that trfel had playing 3 games and that was less "newby" than people were giving him credit for. IF I had to pick someone to be "the towniest of the town", I would pick LS. He has generated discussion. He is acting similiarly to last game where he was town. Only way to lynch this guy D1 would be to policy lynch him for lack of experience. This read is almost baseless. Amid all the fluff the two reasons for the town read are that he generated discussion and meta. As to the generated discussion part i would say many players have done this. The first two that come to mind are Trfel and GB with both of their openings. However in the spoiler below you can see that Jarjar doesn't think that them making waves with their opening is alignment indicative but thinks the fact that LS has generated discussion is townie. The thought process here doesn't seem to line up. + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 18:48 jarjarbinks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 15:35 Trfel wrote:GlowingBear, I'm assuming that you typed those posts over the course of reading the game? So the first things you said were not influenced on the later things? The rest of this post will be using that assumption. You read jarjarbinks D1 from the previous game (Newbie Mafia). You know that his play was miserable on D1 there as well, and he was town (his play was considerably better after D1). Someone is going to have to teach him how to play D1 (looking at you rsoultin), but I don't think I can see myself lynching him for inactivity, even if he provided a terrible excuse for it. On January 17 2015 13:45 GlowingBear wrote:On January 17 2015 10:47 LightningStrike wrote:
I don't think there is a voting thread for this game fyi guys. Also what is the BS Meter? I never heard you use this term before can you explain it please? OMG THIS IS HORRIBLE What is so horrible about this post? I mean, it is surprising that LightningStrike didn't know what rsoultin meant by BS meter, but I don't understand why that makes it a horrible post. Are you saying that LightningStrike is scum because of this, or just that the post is bad? I also noticed that you said that one of my posts was bad, and then one of my paragraphs was bad and full of fluff. Then you townread me. What is the reasoning behind this read? That I attempted to follow your advice for promoting discussion? (for the record, I fully realize that your entrance post is intended to do the exact same thing, and I tried to make a point of it, but no one else responded, so..)Also, why the emphasis on Damdred? + Show Spoiler [For GlowingBear] +For obvious reasons we can't discuss the effectiveness of my attempts to promote discussion now, but hopefully you can help me with this after the game? I bolded the part (I hope lol) of this quote that I thought summed up my thoughts on Trfel and GlowingBear. Trfel's vote and GlowingBears equally "interesting" opening is probably due to the strategy GlowingBear helped give Trfel. GlowingBear's explanation of Trfel's Vote makes this WIFOM in my eyes. They both started the way they did to make waves and nothing more. Not alignment indicative in my eyes. That being said, I'm more suspicious of GlowingBear over Trfel because of his playing experience. A counterargument to this for Trfel is his "stubbornness" on the bottom of page 8. Strange play if you were just trying to "make waves". He could just feel a necessity to defend himself, but I felt the arguments against his vote were relatively weak at the time. Saying what I said above about GlowingBear, I feel like he might want to try doing something else besides claiming VT at the beginning if that was the "making waves" play that shows balls. Us newbs killed LS for just that last game and we (mostly me) are slow learners. Also secondly on his meta point he has played one game as town and has never seen him as mafia so that isn't really justified either. Hence i think his LS read is fairly scummy So this post here, Breshke. I remember this catching my attention but then I forgot. The meta read obviously doesn't hold that much weight, though I'd think you'd have a read on LS cause you've played with him more. My question is...do you put LS' play early game in the same category as GB's and Trfel's? This almost seems like a problem with semantics, from my pov. Um im not exactly sure what you mean but i think the answer is no. GB and trefel both purposely set out to create discussion with opening posts that people would find weird and what not. Whereas LS created discussion by just being LS. The point was both sides were still creating discussion but he seemed to only be townreading LS for it. LS was also his only town read at the time and he seemed fairly certain and i couldnt understand why because as i found both his reasons lacking. I wouldn't say i have a meta read on LS i havn't played nearly enough games with him or anyone to have any meta reads. I agree that LS can easily be misread as scum when he is town but I also think that works a lot for him when he is mafia because people who have played with him before seem more inclined to town read him like I even found myself doing it this game. You may be right. I thought he was pretty obvious scum in his scum game, personally...spent all day arguing it lol. But you may be right. I know that I get the feeling sometimes in these games with vets that newbies get picked on, because a lot of them have trouble appearing town. Like, I expect mafia to capitalize on that. (I realize I'm a newbie, too, but reads are my problem way more than getting townread, generally.) All I'm saying is that generating discussion by posting something what is the word? Contradictory is wrong. Controversial. Posting something controversial vice pressuring and asking questions seem different enough to me to not require someone to read them the same way. That's why this post got my attention. Do you disagree? No you are right they are different. What LS was doing was actually pushing the game forward to scumhunt. So yeah you are right about me just arguing semantics I guess i just never really thought of it out of the context of creating discussion vs creating discussion. Here is where i say i still don't understand how he was reading LS as his one and only town because i still think his reasons were weak because I think LS could easily ask questions as scum. That being said the read as right and LS is town the same as Jarjar so it could easily be me who has to think about stuff differently You may want to reread? He said LS was towniest of town, at least in the posts you quoted. At any rate, I find tfel's hard defense of JJB at EoD and my brother only really coming into the thread to say he was roleblocked, then breezing out again, more eeeeeh than I do him concentrating on trying to read players he's played with before. But that's just me. Is it strange that I was more confident he was town before he claimed? lol Un-CCd though so not worth thinking too much on. Hopefully he'll come back. Thanks for clarifying.
A hard defense of someone when its coming from mafia is easy. They have perfect information to pull upon, they get cred at the flip and boom good job them. JarJar is acting like bad confirmed town here but hes more than likely town.
Actually at this point someone should of CC'd him by now to give us two mafia on the block.
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On January 20 2015 13:48 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 13:41 Damdred wrote:On January 20 2015 13:38 Breshke wrote:On January 20 2015 13:13 Damdred wrote:
Shining did a decent amount of work post flip and had some decent thoughts. Its generally a townie trait to jump straight in and get thoughts in during the night to me, some of his other things had a nice push to it as well.
Its one of my weaker town reads but I doubt I lynch him tomorrow.
I agree with the bolded part. Out of your town reads which two are you most sure on and which two are you least sure on or even list them all if that's easier because i think you're town and that means you have to be wrong on one of them. Most sure of Rsoultin and Geript at this point, least sure of Breshke and Dp. Shining is somewhere inbetween the two sets. I thought i wasn't one of your townreads wasn't i on your PoE lynch list before?
Right now I have five town reads and its all the unconfirmed people in the game I am 100% wrong on someone.
If tre and LM flip scum DP looks the worst but doesn't necessarily make him scum.
your posts look ok tonight so I have to re look at you. Shining could be scum and rs could be bussing. So yea its not a fun spot to be in
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On January 20 2015 13:50 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 13:41 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2015 13:34 Breshke wrote:On January 20 2015 13:14 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2015 13:07 Breshke wrote:On January 20 2015 12:57 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2015 13:18 Breshke wrote:Damdred i had a look at jarjars filter and am probably agreeing with you. On January 17 2015 18:32 jarjarbinks wrote:On January 17 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:43 DarthPunk wrote:
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Are you not reading the thread? I just said I thought it was townie. Like we were just talking about that. Ops I was just a little bit to tunneled on replying to you. I do agree his behavior is most likely town to policy lynch a vet player Day 1 but it not exactly good idea to do it (shurgs) This is behavior that doesn't surprise me. I'm using this quote because I feel like it best justifies my argument for why I think he's town. Last game (this is a meta read), LS did things like this and got decimated for it. Almost got killed D1. Got killed D2. I would hope this doesn't happen again. On the argument that LS is acting more "ballsy" and that "ballsy=mafia" I would counter with that LS is learning the game and is more confident. Plus, I felt he was kind of right in sticking up for himself in saying that trfel had playing 3 games and that was less "newby" than people were giving him credit for. IF I had to pick someone to be "the towniest of the town", I would pick LS. He has generated discussion. He is acting similiarly to last game where he was town. Only way to lynch this guy D1 would be to policy lynch him for lack of experience. This read is almost baseless. Amid all the fluff the two reasons for the town read are that he generated discussion and meta. As to the generated discussion part i would say many players have done this. The first two that come to mind are Trfel and GB with both of their openings. However in the spoiler below you can see that Jarjar doesn't think that them making waves with their opening is alignment indicative but thinks the fact that LS has generated discussion is townie. The thought process here doesn't seem to line up. + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 18:48 jarjarbinks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 15:35 Trfel wrote:GlowingBear, I'm assuming that you typed those posts over the course of reading the game? So the first things you said were not influenced on the later things? The rest of this post will be using that assumption. You read jarjarbinks D1 from the previous game (Newbie Mafia). You know that his play was miserable on D1 there as well, and he was town (his play was considerably better after D1). Someone is going to have to teach him how to play D1 (looking at you rsoultin), but I don't think I can see myself lynching him for inactivity, even if he provided a terrible excuse for it. On January 17 2015 13:45 GlowingBear wrote:On January 17 2015 10:47 LightningStrike wrote:
I don't think there is a voting thread for this game fyi guys. Also what is the BS Meter? I never heard you use this term before can you explain it please? OMG THIS IS HORRIBLE What is so horrible about this post? I mean, it is surprising that LightningStrike didn't know what rsoultin meant by BS meter, but I don't understand why that makes it a horrible post. Are you saying that LightningStrike is scum because of this, or just that the post is bad? I also noticed that you said that one of my posts was bad, and then one of my paragraphs was bad and full of fluff. Then you townread me. What is the reasoning behind this read? That I attempted to follow your advice for promoting discussion? (for the record, I fully realize that your entrance post is intended to do the exact same thing, and I tried to make a point of it, but no one else responded, so..)Also, why the emphasis on Damdred? + Show Spoiler [For GlowingBear] +For obvious reasons we can't discuss the effectiveness of my attempts to promote discussion now, but hopefully you can help me with this after the game? I bolded the part (I hope lol) of this quote that I thought summed up my thoughts on Trfel and GlowingBear. Trfel's vote and GlowingBears equally "interesting" opening is probably due to the strategy GlowingBear helped give Trfel. GlowingBear's explanation of Trfel's Vote makes this WIFOM in my eyes. They both started the way they did to make waves and nothing more. Not alignment indicative in my eyes. That being said, I'm more suspicious of GlowingBear over Trfel because of his playing experience. A counterargument to this for Trfel is his "stubbornness" on the bottom of page 8. Strange play if you were just trying to "make waves". He could just feel a necessity to defend himself, but I felt the arguments against his vote were relatively weak at the time. Saying what I said above about GlowingBear, I feel like he might want to try doing something else besides claiming VT at the beginning if that was the "making waves" play that shows balls. Us newbs killed LS for just that last game and we (mostly me) are slow learners. Also secondly on his meta point he has played one game as town and has never seen him as mafia so that isn't really justified either. Hence i think his LS read is fairly scummy So this post here, Breshke. I remember this catching my attention but then I forgot. The meta read obviously doesn't hold that much weight, though I'd think you'd have a read on LS cause you've played with him more. My question is...do you put LS' play early game in the same category as GB's and Trfel's? This almost seems like a problem with semantics, from my pov. Um im not exactly sure what you mean but i think the answer is no. GB and trefel both purposely set out to create discussion with opening posts that people would find weird and what not. Whereas LS created discussion by just being LS. The point was both sides were still creating discussion but he seemed to only be townreading LS for it. LS was also his only town read at the time and he seemed fairly certain and i couldnt understand why because as i found both his reasons lacking. I wouldn't say i have a meta read on LS i havn't played nearly enough games with him or anyone to have any meta reads. I agree that LS can easily be misread as scum when he is town but I also think that works a lot for him when he is mafia because people who have played with him before seem more inclined to town read him like I even found myself doing it this game. You may be right. I thought he was pretty obvious scum in his scum game, personally...spent all day arguing it lol. But you may be right. I know that I get the feeling sometimes in these games with vets that newbies get picked on, because a lot of them have trouble appearing town. Like, I expect mafia to capitalize on that. (I realize I'm a newbie, too, but reads are my problem way more than getting townread, generally.) All I'm saying is that generating discussion by posting something what is the word? Contradictory is wrong. Controversial. Posting something controversial vice pressuring and asking questions seem different enough to me to not require someone to read them the same way. That's why this post got my attention. Do you disagree? No you are right they are different. What LS was doing was actually pushing the game forward to scumhunt. So yeah you are right about me just arguing semantics I guess i just never really thought of it out of the context of creating discussion vs creating discussion. Here is where i say i still don't understand how he was reading LS as his one and only town because i still think his reasons were weak because I think LS could easily ask questions as scum. That being said the read as right and LS is town the same as Jarjar so it could easily be me who has to think about stuff differently You may want to reread? He said LS was towniest of town, at least in the posts you quoted. At any rate, I find tfel's hard defense of JJB at EoD and my brother only really coming into the thread to say he was roleblocked, then breezing out again, more eeeeeh than I do him concentrating on trying to read players he's played with before. But that's just me. Is it strange that I was more confident he was town before he claimed? lol Un-CCd though so not worth thinking too much on. Hopefully he'll come back. Thanks for clarifying. A hard defense of someone when its coming from mafia is easy. They have perfect information to pull upon, they get cred at the flip and boom good job them. JarJar is acting like bad confirmed town here but hes more than likely town. Actually at this point someone should of CC'd him by now to give us two mafia on the block.
I think you're most likely right, Damdred, I really do, lol. And probably when he reenters the thread and I see my brother all in his posts, the suspicion will disappear. Your tinfoil hat theory last night awakened my paranoia xP
It also stands to reason that JJB's slip early in the game made it clear to mafia he was blue, so protecting him in particular would be good towncred. This is just speculation, though. I'm not advocating doing analysis from a fake claim perspective in the slightest ><
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On January 20 2015 13:52 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 13:48 Breshke wrote:On January 20 2015 13:41 Damdred wrote:On January 20 2015 13:38 Breshke wrote:On January 20 2015 13:13 Damdred wrote:
Shining did a decent amount of work post flip and had some decent thoughts. Its generally a townie trait to jump straight in and get thoughts in during the night to me, some of his other things had a nice push to it as well.
Its one of my weaker town reads but I doubt I lynch him tomorrow.
I agree with the bolded part. Out of your town reads which two are you most sure on and which two are you least sure on or even list them all if that's easier because i think you're town and that means you have to be wrong on one of them. Most sure of Rsoultin and Geript at this point, least sure of Breshke and Dp. Shining is somewhere inbetween the two sets. I thought i wasn't one of your townreads wasn't i on your PoE lynch list before? Right now I have five town reads and its all the unconfirmed people in the game I am 100% wrong on someone. If tre and LM flip scum DP looks the worst but doesn't necessarily make him scum. your posts look ok tonight so I have to re look at you. Shining could be scum and rs could be bussing. So yea its not a fun spot to be in
Could you explain why if Lm flips scum with trefel DP is most likely. I think geriept said this aswell but then seemed to say DP would bus if his mafia partner wasn't pulling his weight which i think could describe LM although im not sure how he is usually.
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On January 20 2015 13:55 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 13:52 Damdred wrote:On January 20 2015 13:48 Breshke wrote:On January 20 2015 13:41 Damdred wrote:On January 20 2015 13:38 Breshke wrote:On January 20 2015 13:13 Damdred wrote:
Shining did a decent amount of work post flip and had some decent thoughts. Its generally a townie trait to jump straight in and get thoughts in during the night to me, some of his other things had a nice push to it as well.
Its one of my weaker town reads but I doubt I lynch him tomorrow.
I agree with the bolded part. Out of your town reads which two are you most sure on and which two are you least sure on or even list them all if that's easier because i think you're town and that means you have to be wrong on one of them. Most sure of Rsoultin and Geript at this point, least sure of Breshke and Dp. Shining is somewhere inbetween the two sets. I thought i wasn't one of your townreads wasn't i on your PoE lynch list before? Right now I have five town reads and its all the unconfirmed people in the game I am 100% wrong on someone. If tre and LM flip scum DP looks the worst but doesn't necessarily make him scum. your posts look ok tonight so I have to re look at you. Shining could be scum and rs could be bussing. So yea its not a fun spot to be in Could you explain why if Lm flips scum with trefel DP is most likely. I think geriept said this aswell but then seemed to say DP would bus if his mafia partner wasn't pulling his weight which i think could describe LM although im not sure how he is usually.
I wouldn't say most likely per se, he would look the worst if lm flipped scum due to some meh reasonings on why he wouldn't lynch lm. Which is wifom a bit, and I'm not so sure dp would connect himself to his team mates in that way.
I'm going to read trfels filter tommrowo and glean information I can but now sleep
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Damdred (2): rsoultin, LightningStrike
jarjarbinks (4): Breshke, Damdred, GlowingBear, LoneMeow
GlowingBear (6): geript, TheWarWaffle, DarthPunk, jarjarbinks, The Shining, Trfel
Let's assume this is true for a second. We can color JJB blue I guess since no one else has claimed. Technically, Trfel and LoneMeow could both claim here I think since they haven't posted but meh. If LM is blue, he might not come off JJB so quickly. I think definitely as cop he's significantly less likely to come off, but whatever. Voting wise, Rsoultin makes sense. IDK if she'd be willing to bus that early. Hard to tell. Breshke I thought was town yesterday, not sure I see a real reason to change that. Damdred could be mafia; it makes sense with the GB kill. 2 mafia on the short stack seems ok enough. Shining I forget my read on him yesterday. The argument vs JJB seemed odd (knowing the setup). I think that makes more sense, but usually mafia don't vote back to back. IDK. Seems like DP is the obvious scum if both of them are. That's just really hard to accept.
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TBH any non-Trfel medic here should claim on D3. Makes them guess who to RB or are forced to RB LS and guess.
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Like claiming medic now would literally just be awful play.
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On January 20 2015 14:03 geript wrote:
TBH any non-Trfel medic here should claim on D3. Makes them guess who to RB or are forced to RB LS and guess.
Is that ment to say shouldn't?
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wait never mind i misread it
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On January 20 2015 13:55 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 13:52 Damdred wrote:On January 20 2015 13:48 Breshke wrote:On January 20 2015 13:41 Damdred wrote:On January 20 2015 13:38 Breshke wrote:On January 20 2015 13:13 Damdred wrote:
Shining did a decent amount of work post flip and had some decent thoughts. Its generally a townie trait to jump straight in and get thoughts in during the night to me, some of his other things had a nice push to it as well.
Its one of my weaker town reads but I doubt I lynch him tomorrow.
I agree with the bolded part. Out of your town reads which two are you most sure on and which two are you least sure on or even list them all if that's easier because i think you're town and that means you have to be wrong on one of them. Most sure of Rsoultin and Geript at this point, least sure of Breshke and Dp. Shining is somewhere inbetween the two sets. I thought i wasn't one of your townreads wasn't i on your PoE lynch list before? Right now I have five town reads and its all the unconfirmed people in the game I am 100% wrong on someone. If tre and LM flip scum DP looks the worst but doesn't necessarily make him scum. your posts look ok tonight so I have to re look at you. Shining could be scum and rs could be bussing. So yea its not a fun spot to be in Could you explain why if Lm flips scum with trefel DP is most likely. I think geriept said this aswell but then seemed to say DP would bus if his mafia partner wasn't pulling his weight which i think could describe LM although im not sure how he is usually.
Helped push town read on Trfel, helped push mafia reads away from trfel, helped steer lynch away from LM. Meh case on GB which is less telling than feeling the bad lynch there. I think he had a ok case earlier than GB; I forget it though (maybe the push on Rsoultin). Vote wise it makes the most sense. Although, similar-ish things could be said about me. I'm still pissed I didn't default to LM. I even had WW on my don't lynch today list. I feel really bad about that.
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I'm back guys. Sorry Day1 took a lot out of me. Just caught up and went through GB's filter to see if I could find some gems.
I feel like the mafia killed GB for a good reason. I've posted a few and gone over them. You might think this is fluff. Maybe my thoughts are fluffy lol
1. Very suspicious of Geript. IF Geript is mafia, GB would have probably kept going after him if kept alive. This also makes sense as to why Geript is still alive. Geript got a little questioning but not much after persuading almost everyone to vote Waffle. At the end he was still trying to comprehend how DP 100% thought Geript is town. This is something to take note of later.
2. Was suspicious of Trfel/LM. Trfel is obviously scum, so there was some merit there. In that same post he mentions DP. Which leads to the conundrum. If Geript and DP know each other so well, one should at least be a little suspicious of the other right (if one of them is mafia)? Geript and DP, please look back at the others play and MAKE SURE you aren't being fooled. You guys are vets, your opinions will bear more weight than people like me.
3. Ended up HARD TOWNING Shining. I think some other people (could be wrong here) had been suspicious of Shining, which could have led to a mislynch. We can't really do those much anymore.
4. Thought I was telling the truth about being the tracker and DEFENDED ME. A LOT. I AM THE FREAKING TRACKER. Please stop doubting me!
I think the biggest thing that got him killed was his thoughts on Trfel. That being said, there was probably a few other things he was looking into that got him killed as well. Rsoultin was hard on Trfel and she's still alive (and everyone thinks she's town). I am not saying he knew everything. But he was killed for a reason. PLEASE DONT FORGET THAT.
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On January 20 2015 14:02 geript wrote:
Damdred (2): rsoultin, LightningStrike
jarjarbinks (4): Breshke, Damdred, GlowingBear, LoneMeow
GlowingBear (6): geript, TheWarWaffle, DarthPunk, jarjarbinks, The Shining, Trfel
Let's assume this is true for a second. We can color JJB blue I guess since no one else has claimed. Technically, Trfel and LoneMeow could both claim here I think since they haven't posted but meh. If LM is blue, he might not come off JJB so quickly. I think definitely as cop he's significantly less likely to come off, but whatever. Voting wise, Rsoultin makes sense. IDK if she'd be willing to bus that early. Hard to tell. Breshke I thought was town yesterday, not sure I see a real reason to change that. Damdred could be mafia; it makes sense with the GB kill. 2 mafia on the short stack seems ok enough. Shining I forget my read on him yesterday. The argument vs JJB seemed odd (knowing the setup). I think that makes more sense, but usually mafia don't vote back to back. IDK. Seems like DP is the obvious scum if both of them are. That's just really hard to accept.
Can you explain more on Damdred? How does that play out in your head? I'm asking because he didn't go with the GB wagon to save himself, which struck me as town, but if there's a scenario where he could be safe doing that, I'm considering him pretty much confirmed town when I shouldn't.
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On January 20 2015 14:02 geript wrote:
Damdred (2): rsoultin, LightningStrike
jarjarbinks (4): Breshke, Damdred, GlowingBear, LoneMeow
GlowingBear (6): geript, TheWarWaffle, DarthPunk, jarjarbinks, The Shining, Trfel
Let's assume this is true for a second. We can color JJB blue I guess since no one else has claimed. Technically, Trfel and LoneMeow could both claim here I think since they haven't posted but meh. If LM is blue, he might not come off JJB so quickly. I think definitely as cop he's significantly less likely to come off, but whatever. Voting wise, Rsoultin makes sense. IDK if she'd be willing to bus that early. Hard to tell. Breshke I thought was town yesterday, not sure I see a real reason to change that. Damdred could be mafia; it makes sense with the GB kill. 2 mafia on the short stack seems ok enough. Shining I forget my read on him yesterday. The argument vs JJB seemed odd (knowing the setup). I think that makes more sense, but usually mafia don't vote back to back. IDK. Seems like DP is the obvious scum if both of them are. That's just really hard to accept.
It might be better to evaluate the votes before that point. I know at least my vote on GlowingBear was forced.
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On January 20 2015 14:11 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 14:02 geript wrote:
Damdred (2): rsoultin, LightningStrike
jarjarbinks (4): Breshke, Damdred, GlowingBear, LoneMeow
GlowingBear (6): geript, TheWarWaffle, DarthPunk, jarjarbinks, The Shining, Trfel
Let's assume this is true for a second. We can color JJB blue I guess since no one else has claimed. Technically, Trfel and LoneMeow could both claim here I think since they haven't posted but meh. If LM is blue, he might not come off JJB so quickly. I think definitely as cop he's significantly less likely to come off, but whatever. Voting wise, Rsoultin makes sense. IDK if she'd be willing to bus that early. Hard to tell. Breshke I thought was town yesterday, not sure I see a real reason to change that. Damdred could be mafia; it makes sense with the GB kill. 2 mafia on the short stack seems ok enough. Shining I forget my read on him yesterday. The argument vs JJB seemed odd (knowing the setup). I think that makes more sense, but usually mafia don't vote back to back. IDK. Seems like DP is the obvious scum if both of them are. That's just really hard to accept. Can you explain more on Damdred? How does that play out in your head? I'm asking because he didn't go with the GB wagon to save himself, which struck me as town, but if there's a scenario where he could be safe doing that, I'm considering him pretty much confirmed town when I shouldn't.
Damdred wasn't being lynched on D1. Doesn't really matter where he puts his vote if mafia. 2 people who have little to no thread pull (one of whome has almost none) isn't going to get someone lynched.
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On January 20 2015 14:09 jarjarbinks wrote:
I'm back guys. Sorry Day1 took a lot out of me. Just caught up and went through GB's filter to see if I could find some gems.
I feel like the mafia killed GB for a good reason. I've posted a few and gone over them. You might think this is fluff. Maybe my thoughts are fluffy lol
1. Very suspicious of Geript. IF Geript is mafia, GB would have probably kept going after him if kept alive. This also makes sense as to why Geript is still alive. Geript got a little questioning but not much after persuading almost everyone to vote Waffle. At the end he was still trying to comprehend how DP 100% thought Geript is town. This is something to take note of later.
2. Was suspicious of Trfel/LM. Trfel is obviously scum, so there was some merit there. In that same post he mentions DP. Which leads to the conundrum. If Geript and DP know each other so well, one should at least be a little suspicious of the other right (if one of them is mafia)? Geript and DP, please look back at the others play and MAKE SURE you aren't being fooled. You guys are vets, your opinions will bear more weight than people like me.
3. Ended up HARD TOWNING Shining. I think some other people (could be wrong here) had been suspicious of Shining, which could have led to a mislynch. We can't really do those much anymore.
4. Thought I was telling the truth about being the tracker and DEFENDED ME. A LOT. I AM THE FREAKING TRACKER. Please stop doubting me!
I think the biggest thing that got him killed was his thoughts on Trfel. That being said, there was probably a few other things he was looking into that got him killed as well. Rsoultin was hard on Trfel and she's still alive (and everyone thinks she's town). I am not saying he knew everything. But he was killed for a reason. PLEASE DONT FORGET THAT.
While you could be right with everything you say i find that it is fairly wifom. Dont get me wrong you should remember dead peopels reads but do mafia kill someone who is town reading a mafia to make that read eternal? Or do they keep them alive so they have someone in their corner?
I also assume if all power roles are legit mafia were hunting the cop which doesn't really make sense because you'd think GB would have claimed if he was cop considering he was a wagon near EoD but they might've seen something i havn't
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On January 19 2015 06:26 Half the Sky wrote:
Day 1: This Final Hour
Damdred (3): GlowingBear, rsoultin, LightningStrike
jarjarbinks (2): Breshke, Damdred
LoneMeow (2): Trfel, jarjarbinks
GlowingBear (3): geript, TheWarWaffle, DarthPunk
Not Voting (2): The Shining, LoneMeow
Currently, Damdred is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone.
Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
Mmm. Well, see, this was where we were at before GB jumped on JJB, too. I mean...I wouldn't say it was entirely outside the realm of possibility for Damdred to be lynched? I know that this wasn't as close to EoD, though.
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You do have a point, although they could have seen GB as a possible bigger threat if he had some reads right. You are right that it is a little WIFOM, but I felt it was worth mentioning. My sister had a nice argument against one of the mafia last game (Celestial from the latest newbie mini mafia) and we all didn't even notice it. Turned out she was killed for it on N2.
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On January 20 2015 14:28 jarjarbinks wrote:
You do have a point, although they could have seen GB as a possible bigger threat if he had some reads right. You are right that it is a little WIFOM, but I felt it was worth mentioning. My sister had a nice argument against one of the mafia last game (Celestial from the latest newbie mini mafia) and we all didn't even notice it. Turned out she was killed for it on N2.
UnCCd blue, JarJar, was why Celestial wasn't lynched Day 3. And in the scum QT they were trying to mislynch me the whole time anyway lol, realized they couldn't and NKd me instead, risking a doc save. It was never about my reads, just my thread presence.
Also have to say geript and DP want me to be/read me as scum anyway lol. They think I bussed Trfel cause they couldn't understand my case. Not that I blame them; I've been up in their grill (apparently I'm a super bold, bussing, strong player annoying first-time TL scumlet  ) and it's hard to explain that Trfel's play didn't match his personality.
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