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On January 20 2015 11:57 LightningStrike wrote:
Damdred I know you played with Geript in Imperial Mafia (I was shadowing Palmar who you guys help mislynch) when he was VT does his play here so far similar to how he played in Imperial Mafia? Can you tell me any difference in his play here compared to there?
I really couldn't tell you because I don't think imperial is a good representation of Geripts town game. But I will say this as mafia geript is a lot more accommodating to questions rather than telling people go read I've already answered it.
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Well I am a bit unsure of geript but I think hes town here.
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Damdred could you explain to me your town read on the shining
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Hey, Breshke...did you arrive at your list of possible scum by poe? Just curious.
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On January 20 2015 12:09 rsoultin wrote:
Hey, Breshke...did you arrive at your list of possible scum by poe? Just curious.
Yep, fairly weak PoE as well since id actually had DP as a townread D1.
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On January 20 2015 11:54 Damdred wrote:
Geript, lets say I calmed down and have taken a step back and gazed over your filters in Russian mafia and here. Im comfortable saying the anger here isn't like what happens in Russian where you are just 100% cool until you get caught by what you deem to be an imbalanced game.
I don't see you throwing doubts on people as mafia in this case, you would roll with it and bus your team mate without questioning claims I think.
I think you are towny this game, and shouldn't let my paranoia get the better of me probably.
So that leaves me with staring at (minus town reads)
Breshke
LM
geript talk to me about DP. How sure are you that hes town right here? I know you were pretty sure earlier?
99.5%
I absolutely could be wrong about him. I'm just not seeing it. There's too many things that don't really add up for him to be mafia. The NK. Like it looks really bad for him if both LM and Trfel are mafia; I get that. His GB case was meh and I was surprised that he didn't feel about GB how I felt about him at the time. I'd consider lynching him this game only if LM and Trfel are mafia. But I'm pretty sure I'd still want to lynch other people first. Like I see absolutely no reason for him to kill GB there. Like it's a really terrible kill. Plus, he's not in any way afraid to bus as mafia. He did it to Todd or one of the low hanging fruit in the VS game. He and Palmer both bussed the fuck out of Vivax or some other people in MS paint. Like if people are catching a bunch of flack, not pulling their weight, etc. he'll just bus them for cred. He's also more of an egotistical asshole when he's mafia. He's actually been quite tame this game. Like really tame. He also would be significantly blindly follow me on WW than just bus a shitty partner. He'd just lynch GB. He'd find it too fun.
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On January 20 2015 12:11 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 12:09 rsoultin wrote:
Hey, Breshke...did you arrive at your list of possible scum by poe? Just curious. Yep, fairly weak PoE as well since id actually had DP as a townread D1.
I generally like to talk things out during the night phase. You were a good person to bounce ideas off of the last time I played with you. It crossed my mind that you could be blue...but since that doesn't seem to be the case...why lay low the whole night?
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rsoultin can you go back into my filter and read his filter from those two games he played as Mafia and see if you can compare the games to this one here.
Metal Mini: He was Shot Night 1 by a Vig.
New Years Eve Party Mafia: He was Shot Night 2 by a Vig (Me!)
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On January 20 2015 12:15 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 12:11 Breshke wrote:On January 20 2015 12:09 rsoultin wrote:
Hey, Breshke...did you arrive at your list of possible scum by poe? Just curious. Yep, fairly weak PoE as well since id actually had DP as a townread D1. I generally like to talk things out during the night phase. You were a good person to bounce ideas off of the last time I played with you. It crossed my mind that you could be blue...but since that doesn't seem to be the case...why lay low the whole night?
I had originally planned to be around after EoD because thats when i knew people would be around but i got called into work so that couldn't happen and when i got back there didnt seem to be anyone around and i was tired as shit so i went to bed. But i've had too many irl excuses this game so i don't expect you to accept that.
Also i think i know where you are going with this and i don't think it is a good direction. I'm not sure but are you trying to say scum is less likely to be active during the night because they are busy in their QT? If so i don't think that is the case.
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On January 20 2015 12:11 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 11:54 Damdred wrote:
Geript, lets say I calmed down and have taken a step back and gazed over your filters in Russian mafia and here. Im comfortable saying the anger here isn't like what happens in Russian where you are just 100% cool until you get caught by what you deem to be an imbalanced game.
I don't see you throwing doubts on people as mafia in this case, you would roll with it and bus your team mate without questioning claims I think.
I think you are towny this game, and shouldn't let my paranoia get the better of me probably.
So that leaves me with staring at (minus town reads)
Breshke
LM
geript talk to me about DP. How sure are you that hes town right here? I know you were pretty sure earlier? 99.5% I absolutely could be wrong about him. I'm just not seeing it. There's too many things that don't really add up for him to be mafia. The NK. Like it looks really bad for him if both LM and Trfel are mafia; I get that. His GB case was meh and I was surprised that he didn't feel about GB how I felt about him at the time. I'd consider lynching him this game only if LM and Trfel are mafia. But I'm pretty sure I'd still want to lynch other people first. Like I see absolutely no reason for him to kill GB there. Like it's a really terrible kill. Plus, he's not in any way afraid to bus as mafia. He did it to Todd or one of the low hanging fruit in the VS game. He and Palmer both bussed the fuck out of Vivax or some other people in MS paint. Like if people are catching a bunch of flack, not pulling their weight, etc. he'll just bus them for cred. He's also more of an egotistical asshole when he's mafia. He's actually been quite tame this game. Like really tame. He also would be significantly blindly follow me on WW than just bus a shitty partner. He'd just lynch GB. He'd find it too fun.
You know him better than I (or probably anyone) does...
Do you think that my more or less solo push on trfel would have been enough to prompt a buss? Or the pressure on LM?
In the Carol game, HF was the mafia RBr, and because of that the scum team put their necks out for him more than they probably otherwise would have. Do you think that would be a factor with DP? Or does he just not care?
These are honest questions, not a trap, I promise lol
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On January 20 2015 12:11 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 11:54 Damdred wrote:
Geript, lets say I calmed down and have taken a step back and gazed over your filters in Russian mafia and here. Im comfortable saying the anger here isn't like what happens in Russian where you are just 100% cool until you get caught by what you deem to be an imbalanced game.
I don't see you throwing doubts on people as mafia in this case, you would roll with it and bus your team mate without questioning claims I think.
I think you are towny this game, and shouldn't let my paranoia get the better of me probably.
So that leaves me with staring at (minus town reads)
Breshke
LM
geript talk to me about DP. How sure are you that hes town right here? I know you were pretty sure earlier? 99.5% I absolutely could be wrong about him. I'm just not seeing it. There's too many things that don't really add up for him to be mafia. The NK. Like it looks really bad for him if both LM and Trfel are mafia; I get that. His GB case was meh and I was surprised that he didn't feel about GB how I felt about him at the time. I'd consider lynching him this game only if LM and Trfel are mafia. But I'm pretty sure I'd still want to lynch other people first. Like I see absolutely no reason for him to kill GB there. Like it's a really terrible kill. Plus, he's not in any way afraid to bus as mafia. He did it to Todd or one of the low hanging fruit in the VS game. He and Palmer both bussed the fuck out of Vivax or some other people in MS paint. Like if people are catching a bunch of flack, not pulling their weight, etc. he'll just bus them for cred. He's also more of an egotistical asshole when he's mafia. He's actually been quite tame this game. Like really tame. He also would be significantly blindly follow me on WW than just bus a shitty partner. He'd just lynch GB. He'd find it too fun.
Would you say LM is pulling his weight if he is mafia? I feel like from what you have said if DP and LM were mafia together DP would be bussing him but from the last time DP mentioned LM he seemed to be more townreading him or "i wouldnt lynch".
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On January 20 2015 12:24 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 12:15 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2015 12:11 Breshke wrote:On January 20 2015 12:09 rsoultin wrote:
Hey, Breshke...did you arrive at your list of possible scum by poe? Just curious. Yep, fairly weak PoE as well since id actually had DP as a townread D1. I generally like to talk things out during the night phase. You were a good person to bounce ideas off of the last time I played with you. It crossed my mind that you could be blue...but since that doesn't seem to be the case...why lay low the whole night? I had originally planned to be around after EoD because thats when i knew people would be around but i got called into work so that couldn't happen and when i got back there didnt seem to be anyone around and i was tired as shit so i went to bed. But i've had too many irl excuses this game so i don't expect you to accept that. Also i think i know where you are going with this and i don't think it is a good direction. I'm not sure but are you trying to say scum is less likely to be active during the night because they are busy in their QT? If so i don't think that is the case.
Nah, I don't think it's generally alignment indicative. Some players talk and some don't. I just remember having discussions with you on my first game here, that's all, so I know you're not one of the players who avoids posting in the night phase, at least not exclusively.
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Also RSo you said youve been through LM's filter a few times, have you got anything from it?
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On January 20 2015 12:23 LightningStrike wrote:
rsoultin can you go back into my filter and read his filter from those two games he played as Mafia and see if you can compare the games to this one here.
Metal Mini: He was Shot Night 1 by a Vig.
New Years Eve Party Mafia: He was Shot Night 2 by a Vig (Me!)
I <3 you, LS, but I really don't trust myself with games I haven't played in. Is Breshke's scum behavior from those games lining up with this one in anything other than general inactivity? Town players can be inactive, too, is my reservation there.
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On January 20 2015 12:28 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 12:24 Breshke wrote:On January 20 2015 12:15 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2015 12:11 Breshke wrote:On January 20 2015 12:09 rsoultin wrote:
Hey, Breshke...did you arrive at your list of possible scum by poe? Just curious. Yep, fairly weak PoE as well since id actually had DP as a townread D1. I generally like to talk things out during the night phase. You were a good person to bounce ideas off of the last time I played with you. It crossed my mind that you could be blue...but since that doesn't seem to be the case...why lay low the whole night? I had originally planned to be around after EoD because thats when i knew people would be around but i got called into work so that couldn't happen and when i got back there didnt seem to be anyone around and i was tired as shit so i went to bed. But i've had too many irl excuses this game so i don't expect you to accept that. Also i think i know where you are going with this and i don't think it is a good direction. I'm not sure but are you trying to say scum is less likely to be active during the night because they are busy in their QT? If so i don't think that is the case. Nah, I don't think it's generally alignment indicative. Some players talk and some don't. I just remember having discussions with you on my first game here, that's all, so I know you're not one of the players who avoids posting in the night phase, at least not exclusively.
Yeah GB taught me it is good to go hard during the night. The problem being i like to do votecount analysis and the D1 votecount is fairly useless because everyone who was around was switching to WW. Even the votecounts before that don't seem to be that useful because it is very likely it was all town wagons D1.
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On January 20 2015 12:25 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 12:11 geript wrote:On January 20 2015 11:54 Damdred wrote:
Geript, lets say I calmed down and have taken a step back and gazed over your filters in Russian mafia and here. Im comfortable saying the anger here isn't like what happens in Russian where you are just 100% cool until you get caught by what you deem to be an imbalanced game.
I don't see you throwing doubts on people as mafia in this case, you would roll with it and bus your team mate without questioning claims I think.
I think you are towny this game, and shouldn't let my paranoia get the better of me probably.
So that leaves me with staring at (minus town reads)
Breshke
LM
geript talk to me about DP. How sure are you that hes town right here? I know you were pretty sure earlier? 99.5% I absolutely could be wrong about him. I'm just not seeing it. There's too many things that don't really add up for him to be mafia. The NK. Like it looks really bad for him if both LM and Trfel are mafia; I get that. His GB case was meh and I was surprised that he didn't feel about GB how I felt about him at the time. I'd consider lynching him this game only if LM and Trfel are mafia. But I'm pretty sure I'd still want to lynch other people first. Like I see absolutely no reason for him to kill GB there. Like it's a really terrible kill. Plus, he's not in any way afraid to bus as mafia. He did it to Todd or one of the low hanging fruit in the VS game. He and Palmer both bussed the fuck out of Vivax or some other people in MS paint. Like if people are catching a bunch of flack, not pulling their weight, etc. he'll just bus them for cred. He's also more of an egotistical asshole when he's mafia. He's actually been quite tame this game. Like really tame. He also would be significantly blindly follow me on WW than just bus a shitty partner. He'd just lynch GB. He'd find it too fun. You know him better than I (or probably anyone) does... Do you think that my more or less solo push on trfel would have been enough to prompt a buss? Or the pressure on LM? In the Carol game, HF was the mafia RBr, and because of that the scum team put their necks out for him more than they probably otherwise would have. Do you think that would be a factor with DP? Or does he just not care? These are honest questions, not a trap, I promise lol
Like I said before, your case wasn't very good imo. So no.
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On January 20 2015 12:29 Breshke wrote:
Also RSo you said youve been through LM's filter a few times, have you got anything from it?
Not a lot. Just that his EoD votes followed thread sentiment for weak reasons. He did say he'd help me find scum, that he'd look through GB's and Damdred's filter, but he didn't. :/ <- I don't consider that alignment indicative lol it just made me :/
His reads were not very substantial, either, but I've only seen him play once before so I don't know if that means anything.
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On January 20 2015 12:33 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 12:25 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2015 12:11 geript wrote:On January 20 2015 11:54 Damdred wrote:
Geript, lets say I calmed down and have taken a step back and gazed over your filters in Russian mafia and here. Im comfortable saying the anger here isn't like what happens in Russian where you are just 100% cool until you get caught by what you deem to be an imbalanced game.
I don't see you throwing doubts on people as mafia in this case, you would roll with it and bus your team mate without questioning claims I think.
I think you are towny this game, and shouldn't let my paranoia get the better of me probably.
So that leaves me with staring at (minus town reads)
Breshke
LM
geript talk to me about DP. How sure are you that hes town right here? I know you were pretty sure earlier? 99.5% I absolutely could be wrong about him. I'm just not seeing it. There's too many things that don't really add up for him to be mafia. The NK. Like it looks really bad for him if both LM and Trfel are mafia; I get that. His GB case was meh and I was surprised that he didn't feel about GB how I felt about him at the time. I'd consider lynching him this game only if LM and Trfel are mafia. But I'm pretty sure I'd still want to lynch other people first. Like I see absolutely no reason for him to kill GB there. Like it's a really terrible kill. Plus, he's not in any way afraid to bus as mafia. He did it to Todd or one of the low hanging fruit in the VS game. He and Palmer both bussed the fuck out of Vivax or some other people in MS paint. Like if people are catching a bunch of flack, not pulling their weight, etc. he'll just bus them for cred. He's also more of an egotistical asshole when he's mafia. He's actually been quite tame this game. Like really tame. He also would be significantly blindly follow me on WW than just bus a shitty partner. He'd just lynch GB. He'd find it too fun. You know him better than I (or probably anyone) does... Do you think that my more or less solo push on trfel would have been enough to prompt a buss? Or the pressure on LM? In the Carol game, HF was the mafia RBr, and because of that the scum team put their necks out for him more than they probably otherwise would have. Do you think that would be a factor with DP? Or does he just not care? These are honest questions, not a trap, I promise lol Like I said before, your case wasn't very good imo. So no.
Then...why are you sure he's town again, if you don't think there was enough pressure on trfel to merit a buss?
Just the NK? You honestly feel he'd kill you 100% of the time?
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On January 20 2015 12:32 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 12:28 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2015 12:24 Breshke wrote:On January 20 2015 12:15 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2015 12:11 Breshke wrote:On January 20 2015 12:09 rsoultin wrote:
Hey, Breshke...did you arrive at your list of possible scum by poe? Just curious. Yep, fairly weak PoE as well since id actually had DP as a townread D1. I generally like to talk things out during the night phase. You were a good person to bounce ideas off of the last time I played with you. It crossed my mind that you could be blue...but since that doesn't seem to be the case...why lay low the whole night? I had originally planned to be around after EoD because thats when i knew people would be around but i got called into work so that couldn't happen and when i got back there didnt seem to be anyone around and i was tired as shit so i went to bed. But i've had too many irl excuses this game so i don't expect you to accept that. Also i think i know where you are going with this and i don't think it is a good direction. I'm not sure but are you trying to say scum is less likely to be active during the night because they are busy in their QT? If so i don't think that is the case. Nah, I don't think it's generally alignment indicative. Some players talk and some don't. I just remember having discussions with you on my first game here, that's all, so I know you're not one of the players who avoids posting in the night phase, at least not exclusively. Yeah GB taught me it is good to go hard during the night. The problem being i like to do votecount analysis and the D1 votecount is fairly useless because everyone who was around was switching to WW. Even the votecounts before that don't seem to be that useful because it is very likely it was all town wagons D1.
That I can definitely understand. My first reaction to the lynch was this is a royal mess...but it does narrow down potential scum a bit, so in that sense it could have been worse lol. Thanks for answering.
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On January 20 2015 12:33 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 12:29 Breshke wrote:
Also RSo you said youve been through LM's filter a few times, have you got anything from it? Not a lot. Just that his EoD votes followed thread sentiment for weak reasons. He did say he'd help me find scum, that he'd look through GB's and Damdred's filter, but he didn't. :/ <- I don't consider that alignment indicative lol it just made me :/ His reads were not very substantial, either, but I've only seen him play once before so I don't know if that means anything.
He seemed to jump on the JJR wagon with a weak reason for why he was going back on his earlier read. I want to say that when he jumped on thread sentiment was that GB was going to be lynched so this could have been a safe vote for him. Also in a town v town i think it would be best for scum to keep the votes as close as possible as to always keep the person who doesn't get lynched a question mark but im not sure if that actually makes sense.
On January 19 2015 03:12 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 02:35 TheWarWaffle wrote:On January 19 2015 02:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2015 02:23 TheWarWaffle wrote:On January 19 2015 00:10 LoneMeow wrote:On January 18 2015 12:11 TheWarWaffle wrote:
Trfel: Beginning the game with a policy vote, on one of the most veteran players, makes no sense from a town perspective. His concerns regarding LS seem odd considering he always posts this way. Indeed, many of Trfel's meta-reads are effectively useless. I don't know why he would be making meta-reads based on the fact that he is playing completely different than his previous game. There is a great deal of fluff in almost all of his posts if one looks close enough... excessive repetition of known facts, lengthening of paragraphs with "purple prose", etc.
How does the policy vote in first post make more sense from scum perspective? Where did Trfel give meta reads? I did not notice many of those in his filter. Please quote me some. It's not just about the policy vote; it's about how all of Trfel's actions coalesce into a very suspicious pile. The vote itself was suspicious in Trfel's meta-reads: rsoultin, I would like to know what you expected to gain from some of your later questions, particularly, "do you intend to scumhunt this game"? There is only one possible answer to that question. Also, do you have any thoughts on the rest of the thread? I'm surprised that you picked on my opening but not GlowingBear's opening, which is bad for reasons I have previously stated.
That said, rsoultin's questioning does fit with her town meta. For an example of this, see the opening of the most recent Newbie Mafia.
Rsoultin and jarjar, you two need to talk so that jarjar feels comfortable with Day 1. That aside, while jarjar's opening post is pretty horrible, he has given some useful thoughts since then. As for rsoultin, I feel that her play lines up exactly with (my knowledge of) her town meta. At the same time, WarWaffle seemed to provide many more reads in the previous game. I know this game hasn't been going for as long yet, but there has been more posting here. And last game he had lots of time issues as well (I know he said he had some in this game, I think, but they should be less than last game).
There are more, and there are posts made by him entirely on the topic of meta I will not post here. I am unsure as to how you may have missed them, considering what few reads Trfel has are all based of off predetermined ideas of what people should be doing. What is YOUR definition of meta, LoneMeow? WarWaffle, if we can't lynch Trfel today, do you still prefer GB? Absolutely. I'm leaning more towards GB than Trfel at the moment after having read both of their filters over and over again. Trfel at least pretends to be town; GB doesn't seem to care either way. Trfel will attempt to argue his way out of an accusation; GB will either ignore it or treat it like it's something other than what it is. I will leave my vote on Trfel as of now but GlowingBear is likely my EoD lynch target as of now. If you think GlowingBear has better chance of flipping scum than Trfel then why would you not move your vote?
On January 19 2015 03:27 LoneMeow wrote:
rsoultin, so if I somehow manage to convince you to not lynch me, and Trfel isn't viable either, who's the next best choice?
These two posts also stuck out to me as trying to keep trfel off the table for today even though he was null on him but i think i could just be trying to find things to make him scummy as these could easily be made as town
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