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LightningStrike
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On January 18 2015 08:18 LightningStrike wrote: Guys I need to go get dinner but after dinner I think I got a good meta case on Breshke being scum so stay tuned! O.o how come? | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On January 18 2015 07:57 Trfel wrote: I suppose I can see this. At the same time, WarWaffle seemed to provide many more reads in the previous game. I know this game hasn't been going for as long yet, but there has been more posting here. And last game he had lots of time issues as well (I know he said he had some in this game, I think, but they should be less than last game). I am trying very hard to find reasons to town-read you this game, Trfel. This is simply untrue. :/ WW analyzed HTS' post and gave a list post on his reads Day 1 last game. It seems about the same to me, except WW actually questioned someone this game (LS). Considering there are still 24ish hours left for Day 1...dude, give me a reason to town-read you, please >< | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Geript (0): Trfel (0): Damdred (0): jarjarbinks (0): Breshke (1): GlowingBear Not Voting (11): Trfel, TheWarWaffle, DarthPunk, The Shining, rsoultin, LoneMeow, Breshke, geript, jarjarbinks, LightningStrike, Damdred Currently, Breshke is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone. Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On January 18 2015 08:28 rsoultin wrote: I am trying very hard to find reasons to town-read you this game, Trfel. This is simply untrue. :/ WW analyzed HTS' post and gave a list post on his reads Day 1 last game. It seems about the same to me, except WW actually questioned someone this game (LS). Considering there are still 24ish hours left for Day 1...dude, give me a reason to town-read you, please >< + Show Spoiler + On January 07 2015 04:51 TheWarWaffle wrote: My apologies for the inactivity. I give no excuse other than the fact that my life is busy. After reading the thread my current reads for the game are as follows: The Shining: Town The Shining has not posted all that much but the quality of posting changed drastically as soon as the game started. The Shining asks questions where they need to be asked and maintains a cordial aloofness towards everyone who is playing. No person is accused of anything without evidence. Half the Sky: Town HTS acts like a true townie. Says what she wants, when she wants to, to whomever she wants. At least, that's what she wants us to believe, but I don't have anything better at this time. rsoultin: Suspicious The accusation-train keeps on rolling whenever rsoultin is around. I find the similarities in play style to her previous games an indicator of deceit rather than openness. Rsoultin rolled Town in every other game she played like this, so why shouldn't she be Town now? I can't think of a better cover than this. Strangely, even though rsoultin admits that it's her "bias" to ignore inactives, she votes for me. This is strange for several reasons: I was inactive at the time she started my lynch wagon; she had previously agreed with my post on HTS; and there was no progression of thought as to why I was scum. jarjarbinks: Light Town Jarjarbinks' behavior sets off no alarm bells in my mind even though he lurks more than he posts. The posts he does make are normally short and succinct, and while many of his posts appear misleading at first, they work in the context. I think the only reason he is voting for me is because other people started the wagon. Trfel: Unknown As Trfel has posted effectively nothing indicating any affiliation, I must refrain from passing judgment on the hangman. Gumdrop: Town Gumdrop hasn't said much but from what was said I glean bits of Town. The reasons given for not posting more are adequate, and the type of posts implies a desire for something to happen, something the Mafia does not want. The posts that were made are logical and forward-thinking. A more Mafia-oriented lurker would post more misleading information. Silverarte: Possible Mafia The ease of which Silverarte hops aboard the bandwagon train is startling. Silverarte was leaning towards ExO_ and Gumdrop being scum, for the reasons of aggressive accusations and "posting and offering nothing" respectively. Somehow, both of these are forgotten as soon as she jumped on my vote bandwagon. For someone who admits she's new and even goes as far to use that as defense for gumdrop her voting for me makes no sense based on her previous actions. The previous existing relationship between Silverarte and rsoultin gives cause for the sudden change of thought, but even so... ExO_: Light Town My thoughts on ExO_ have flipped back and forth for some time now. Initially I thought he was town for being the only one willing to aggressively step and take affirmative action. After that, I thought he was scum for simply spreading accusations thin and putting a cloud of doubt over everyone, which is scum-like behavior. Though his disappearance is suspicious, it does not seem implicative. -Celestial-: Town -Celestial- maintains a consistent level of posts and explains his thoughts in a logical progression. I see no suspicious behavior, only a desire to understand and unearth new information. LightningStrike: Suspicious/Unknown I have my own reasons for being suspicious of LS, mainly due to the constant attempts to shift attention whenever the focus is on him. Tubesock: Mafia After looking at all of Tubesock's posts, I strongly believe that he is Mafia. His posts, while numerous, are short and always seem to detract from the conversation rather than add. Very few of the accusations presented by Tubesock are his; most are other people's regurgitated ideas. I think Tubesock's passive beginning was only due to the low amount of traffic it received, and that his "coming out of his shell" was him realizing that he could take advantage of it. Several times he has posted about the inactivity of the thread, which seems redundant when your very post makes it active. Tubesock only did this to make it look like he cares. A Mafia player wants there to be confusion, chaos, and distrust in the thread. Do Tubesock's actions create clear, organized discussion? I don't think so. Currently, Tubesock has my vote. I'd like to hear other people's opinions as well. To me, that post seems much more comprehensive than the post in this game. I don't see your point. I could also understand where TheWarWaffle was coming from in that post, even though I disagreed with his reads. In this game, his logic doesn't make sense. He says that because GlowingBear and I did something towny, we have to be scum. Both GlowingBear and I have also asked questions and contributed to discussion (however effectively), so that is the other criteria he set for his townreads. Ignoring the early questioning, TheWarWaffle's play seems noticeably worse. It actually makes me tempted to lynch him, though as GlowingBear stated, coming in with two scumreads on reasonably active players doesn't make sense for mafia. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On January 18 2015 06:00 GlowingBear wrote: He is my pupil and he isn't doing what I'm expecting. I know he was in some RL trouble recently but since he confirmed, his total lurkage is odd. And I am going to lynch scummy lurkers day1. I hope you guys all have this in mind Of the lurkers/players with short filters I'm inclined to agree that Breshke appears the most scummy. Of course, part of that may be OMGUS lol, not gonna lie. | ||
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TheWarWaffle
Canada115 Posts
On January 18 2015 08:38 Trfel wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 07 2015 04:51 TheWarWaffle wrote: My apologies for the inactivity. I give no excuse other than the fact that my life is busy. After reading the thread my current reads for the game are as follows: The Shining: Town The Shining has not posted all that much but the quality of posting changed drastically as soon as the game started. The Shining asks questions where they need to be asked and maintains a cordial aloofness towards everyone who is playing. No person is accused of anything without evidence. Half the Sky: Town HTS acts like a true townie. Says what she wants, when she wants to, to whomever she wants. At least, that's what she wants us to believe, but I don't have anything better at this time. rsoultin: Suspicious The accusation-train keeps on rolling whenever rsoultin is around. I find the similarities in play style to her previous games an indicator of deceit rather than openness. Rsoultin rolled Town in every other game she played like this, so why shouldn't she be Town now? I can't think of a better cover than this. Strangely, even though rsoultin admits that it's her "bias" to ignore inactives, she votes for me. This is strange for several reasons: I was inactive at the time she started my lynch wagon; she had previously agreed with my post on HTS; and there was no progression of thought as to why I was scum. jarjarbinks: Light Town Jarjarbinks' behavior sets off no alarm bells in my mind even though he lurks more than he posts. The posts he does make are normally short and succinct, and while many of his posts appear misleading at first, they work in the context. I think the only reason he is voting for me is because other people started the wagon. Trfel: Unknown As Trfel has posted effectively nothing indicating any affiliation, I must refrain from passing judgment on the hangman. Gumdrop: Town Gumdrop hasn't said much but from what was said I glean bits of Town. The reasons given for not posting more are adequate, and the type of posts implies a desire for something to happen, something the Mafia does not want. The posts that were made are logical and forward-thinking. A more Mafia-oriented lurker would post more misleading information. Silverarte: Possible Mafia The ease of which Silverarte hops aboard the bandwagon train is startling. Silverarte was leaning towards ExO_ and Gumdrop being scum, for the reasons of aggressive accusations and "posting and offering nothing" respectively. Somehow, both of these are forgotten as soon as she jumped on my vote bandwagon. For someone who admits she's new and even goes as far to use that as defense for gumdrop her voting for me makes no sense based on her previous actions. The previous existing relationship between Silverarte and rsoultin gives cause for the sudden change of thought, but even so... ExO_: Light Town My thoughts on ExO_ have flipped back and forth for some time now. Initially I thought he was town for being the only one willing to aggressively step and take affirmative action. After that, I thought he was scum for simply spreading accusations thin and putting a cloud of doubt over everyone, which is scum-like behavior. Though his disappearance is suspicious, it does not seem implicative. -Celestial-: Town -Celestial- maintains a consistent level of posts and explains his thoughts in a logical progression. I see no suspicious behavior, only a desire to understand and unearth new information. LightningStrike: Suspicious/Unknown I have my own reasons for being suspicious of LS, mainly due to the constant attempts to shift attention whenever the focus is on him. Tubesock: Mafia After looking at all of Tubesock's posts, I strongly believe that he is Mafia. His posts, while numerous, are short and always seem to detract from the conversation rather than add. Very few of the accusations presented by Tubesock are his; most are other people's regurgitated ideas. I think Tubesock's passive beginning was only due to the low amount of traffic it received, and that his "coming out of his shell" was him realizing that he could take advantage of it. Several times he has posted about the inactivity of the thread, which seems redundant when your very post makes it active. Tubesock only did this to make it look like he cares. A Mafia player wants there to be confusion, chaos, and distrust in the thread. Do Tubesock's actions create clear, organized discussion? I don't think so. Currently, Tubesock has my vote. I'd like to hear other people's opinions as well. To me, that post seems much more comprehensive than the post in this game. I don't see your point. I could also understand where TheWarWaffle was coming from in that post, even though I disagreed with his reads. In this game, his logic doesn't make sense. He says that because GlowingBear and I did something towny, we have to be scum. Both GlowingBear and I have also asked questions and contributed to discussion (however effectively), so that is the other criteria he set for his townreads. Ignoring the early questioning, TheWarWaffle's play seems noticeably worse. It actually makes me tempted to lynch him, though as GlowingBear stated, coming in with two scumreads on reasonably active players doesn't make sense for mafia. My last post was made on my mobile device. I will post a bigger, better one later when I have access to a computer. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On January 18 2015 08:38 Trfel wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 07 2015 04:51 TheWarWaffle wrote: My apologies for the inactivity. I give no excuse other than the fact that my life is busy. After reading the thread my current reads for the game are as follows: The Shining: Town The Shining has not posted all that much but the quality of posting changed drastically as soon as the game started. The Shining asks questions where they need to be asked and maintains a cordial aloofness towards everyone who is playing. No person is accused of anything without evidence. Half the Sky: Town HTS acts like a true townie. Says what she wants, when she wants to, to whomever she wants. At least, that's what she wants us to believe, but I don't have anything better at this time. rsoultin: Suspicious The accusation-train keeps on rolling whenever rsoultin is around. I find the similarities in play style to her previous games an indicator of deceit rather than openness. Rsoultin rolled Town in every other game she played like this, so why shouldn't she be Town now? I can't think of a better cover than this. Strangely, even though rsoultin admits that it's her "bias" to ignore inactives, she votes for me. This is strange for several reasons: I was inactive at the time she started my lynch wagon; she had previously agreed with my post on HTS; and there was no progression of thought as to why I was scum. jarjarbinks: Light Town Jarjarbinks' behavior sets off no alarm bells in my mind even though he lurks more than he posts. The posts he does make are normally short and succinct, and while many of his posts appear misleading at first, they work in the context. I think the only reason he is voting for me is because other people started the wagon. Trfel: Unknown As Trfel has posted effectively nothing indicating any affiliation, I must refrain from passing judgment on the hangman. Gumdrop: Town Gumdrop hasn't said much but from what was said I glean bits of Town. The reasons given for not posting more are adequate, and the type of posts implies a desire for something to happen, something the Mafia does not want. The posts that were made are logical and forward-thinking. A more Mafia-oriented lurker would post more misleading information. Silverarte: Possible Mafia The ease of which Silverarte hops aboard the bandwagon train is startling. Silverarte was leaning towards ExO_ and Gumdrop being scum, for the reasons of aggressive accusations and "posting and offering nothing" respectively. Somehow, both of these are forgotten as soon as she jumped on my vote bandwagon. For someone who admits she's new and even goes as far to use that as defense for gumdrop her voting for me makes no sense based on her previous actions. The previous existing relationship between Silverarte and rsoultin gives cause for the sudden change of thought, but even so... ExO_: Light Town My thoughts on ExO_ have flipped back and forth for some time now. Initially I thought he was town for being the only one willing to aggressively step and take affirmative action. After that, I thought he was scum for simply spreading accusations thin and putting a cloud of doubt over everyone, which is scum-like behavior. Though his disappearance is suspicious, it does not seem implicative. -Celestial-: Town -Celestial- maintains a consistent level of posts and explains his thoughts in a logical progression. I see no suspicious behavior, only a desire to understand and unearth new information. LightningStrike: Suspicious/Unknown I have my own reasons for being suspicious of LS, mainly due to the constant attempts to shift attention whenever the focus is on him. Tubesock: Mafia After looking at all of Tubesock's posts, I strongly believe that he is Mafia. His posts, while numerous, are short and always seem to detract from the conversation rather than add. Very few of the accusations presented by Tubesock are his; most are other people's regurgitated ideas. I think Tubesock's passive beginning was only due to the low amount of traffic it received, and that his "coming out of his shell" was him realizing that he could take advantage of it. Several times he has posted about the inactivity of the thread, which seems redundant when your very post makes it active. Tubesock only did this to make it look like he cares. A Mafia player wants there to be confusion, chaos, and distrust in the thread. Do Tubesock's actions create clear, organized discussion? I don't think so. Currently, Tubesock has my vote. I'd like to hear other people's opinions as well. To me, that post seems much more comprehensive than the post in this game. I don't see your point. I could also understand where TheWarWaffle was coming from in that post, even though I disagreed with his reads. In this game, his logic doesn't make sense. He says that because GlowingBear and I did something towny, we have to be scum. Both GlowingBear and I have also asked questions and contributed to discussion (however effectively), so that is the other criteria he set for his townreads. Ignoring the early questioning, TheWarWaffle's play seems noticeably worse. It actually makes me tempted to lynch him, though as GlowingBear stated, coming in with two scumreads on reasonably active players doesn't make sense for mafia. He did go into an explanation for each and every player, it's true, but if you recall that was not terribly long before EoD and he was scumread by a lot of people for it because his reads were pretty wonky to most of us. You may not agree with GB that the post itself makes him town, but why are you trying to convince people that WW is scum? Are you scumreading him right now? While I don't agree with him on GB necessarily (I think GB has been doing a good job of analyzing this game) I can see where he's coming from just fine on the whole do something scum wouldn't do as scum to get townread. In fact, that should always be the objective of scum, shouldn't it? To not act like scum so they don't get caught? | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10855 Posts
On January 17 2015 16:37 geript wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 07:00 Trfel wrote: ##Vote geript On January 17 2015 07:07 Trfel wrote: I come out guns blazing, with fireworks and cannon fire, and meet silence...... Guess maybe I'll go do something else and wait for you guys to catch up XD I want to talk about this post more because I think it's more telling about DP than it is of Trfel because of DP's read on Trfel here + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475036-student-mafia-v?page=8#150 + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 07:38 LightningStrike wrote: Sorry to break it to you but Tfrel is not entirely new since he played 3 games with me with 1 of them me being scum and him town and the rest we were both town together so I know his town meta but this is something he never done at the opening of any of the games I played with him. I actually really like this post. There's a bit of condescending tone towards DP in it. It's much like smacking a snake. I don't think it's a worthwhile post, but it's also a post that I don't think LS could make as mafia. The "freeness" to speak his mind feels exceptionally towny to me. + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 07:46 LightningStrike wrote: Also we seem to lacking a female atm and I would like to speak to her now  And less towny. In the newbie game, I don't really remember LS ever not feeling comfortable to post whatever the fuck he wanted. That said, he already has a 1 page filter (effectively) so I think I'll probably just stick with the townread for now. + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote: I'm back. LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before? GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. Reread Trfel + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote: What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games. Thus, BS meter. She's had 1-2 posts so far but I like rsoultin for town already. I think this is both a good read and interesting as it accurately summarizes why I was a bit caught off guard by Trfel's entrance. + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 10:41 LightningStrike wrote: I'm not scum and I just found the conversation between you and GB a little bit odd but it because I never played with both of you together in a single game (first time playing with you DP), I probably shouldn't read into this as much as I am. But how I think of LS (as a WoS clone), I don't think that he could actually post this as mafia. Call me a sucker if you like, but I'm just going to paint LS green for today unless I see something really eye-popping. There's also a way in which LS stands his ground on this feels very towny and confident. + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 10:45 jarjarbinks wrote: WHAT THE HECK?! This game is WAY more exciting than my last game! I propose a no lynch for day 1! Any followers? This post is exceptionally odd. JJB has had a number of odd voting statistic crap in the newbie game I coached/analyzed. While he's generally on the more inactive side of things, I actually find this post quite odd as currently it's his only post and hasn't really done anything with it. JJB has also struck me as more of a player who's more likely to flounder between doing things. So it actually seems pretty odd between being a "numbers guy" and less direction oriented that he'd suggest a no lynch and do nothing to push it. Sidenote: I like that LS brought this up. I'll keep LS green for now. + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 10:59 Trfel wrote: I explained it already. I feel that geript is purposefully handicapping himself. Yes, his decision to use 10 posts per day was made before the game began, therefore before he knew his alignment. That doesn't matter though, since if he really is going to handicap himself, he deserves to get lynched for it. If he either stops using this self-imposed restriction or proves that he can play successfully using it, great for him. I generally try to be careful with calling people scum, that is true. But voting someone and calling them scum are very different things. Votes can be done in jest or for a wide variety of reasons, surely I don't need to provide examples for you. This post comes across as intentionally stubborn. That's something I tend to associate more with mafia than town. Additionally, Trfel is a player who in the newbie game I could read quite easily based on the quality of his posts quite early on. On opening his filter, he's actually asked more questions than he has given quality opinions. For a higher content poster, that's actually rather surprising and telling imo that he hasn't made 1 good post that in any way makes me think he's actually town. Trfel is probably a very good lynch. + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 12:50 DarthPunk wrote: It was pretty obviously a policy thing at the start of the game. What kind of reasons do you expect somebody to have about 1 min in to the game? Like they are always gonna be poor or arbitrary. He was pretty clear trying to get the ball rolling. Townie Points for a Townie Action. Less trusting of DP. I don't like how the reason for townreading Trfel feels like changes here. In looking at his filter, I'm less sure it actually changes. Best place to put this right now is between the townread on Trfel and the seeming change, if Trfel flips mafia, then DP is significantly more likely to be mafia. I still don't want to lynch him thought because of this post: + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 07:54 DarthPunk wrote: I have no idea how you can ask me what my thoughts were and then backflip from disagreeing? to agreeing with them. How many games have you played if you do not mind me asking? Town: Rsoultin LightningStrike Don't Lynch for now: Darth Punk Null: Breshke Damdred Glowingbear LoneMeow TheWarWaffle CoolTLname TheShining Good Lynches: Jarjarbinks Trfel Questions I need answers to: 1. @DP. Did you come into this game with any preconceived notions, views or reputation on Trfel? 2. @DP. Do you disagree with any of the reads I've made so far and why? 3. @Trfel. Which, if any, of my reads do you disagree with and why? Additionally, are there any players or points that you think I've noticeably missed in my analysis? 4. @Damdred. Explain the reasons for your 3 scum reads. Especially the LS read. 5. @GB. Explain why you think Trfel is obviously town at this point specifically + Show Spoiler + 6. @Shining. Where you at boo? 7. @JJB. What are your reads as of right now and why? #1 Well there is no way I am gonna be able to be able to meta geript this game. He looks hella townie from that post though. Question 1. I came into this game with the opinion that basically everyone except You and I were complete noobs. And if I didn't even know your name you were an even bigger noob. So Trifel to me from the start was a giant noob. I disagree with the fact that you think my reasons for the town!Trifel read changed, which you yourself mention? It stayed consistent I just focused on different parts of the read in different conversations. I also don't like lightning strike. But other than that your post was solid. | ||
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DarthPunk
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On January 17 2015 23:35 Damdred wrote: GB probably town for this. tlcool is in the scum pile. Mostly the three names were a reaction test to see how people would look at it. I don't scum read people for 0 posts lol. LS is probable town. JarJar made some interesting posts just now I need to go back over Can you give me your reasoning on why Glowingbear looks town and Tl cool looks scummy based on their extremely similar reactions? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10855 Posts
On January 18 2015 00:59 rsoultin wrote: If I had to sum it up in one word: Trfel-centric. His filter appears to be a light push on Trfel for Trfel's entrance post, town-reading him, convincing others to, and pressuring anyone who doesn't. I can post quotes as evidence, but as he has a 1-page filter it's pretty self-evident right now. (Oh, I forgot to mention trolling GB. Probably because that is just fluff anyway xP) Also, JarJar, I know you said after the game, but your posts just now established your innocence enough for me to not want to lynch you Day 1, so I think you're doing better than you realize.  We can talk more after the game.@DP...do you have any reads on anything/anyone else? You asked me for mine...quid pro quo bro. Not particularly yet. I am trying to discern the difference between people who are just being bad and people who are being scummy. For instance, Right now I am thinking about the stuff with Damdred and his 'test' Was his 'test' actually a fuck up and he was tryiong to deflect and recover with the Tlcoolname wagon? Or was it genuinely a test in which case he is very likely town. Or that dude who called for a no lynch. To me when I first saw that I just read it as dumb and sort of townie for similar reasons to Trifle. Does that answer your question? | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On January 18 2015 08:50 rsoultin wrote: He did go into an explanation for each and every player, it's true, but if you recall that was not terribly long before EoD and he was scumread by a lot of people for it because his reads were pretty wonky to most of us. You may not agree with GB that the post itself makes him town, but why are you trying to convince people that WW is scum? Are you scumreading him right now? While I don't agree with him on GB necessarily (I think GB has been doing a good job of analyzing this game) I can see where he's coming from just fine on the whole do something scum wouldn't do as scum to get townread. In fact, that should always be the objective of scum, shouldn't it? To not act like scum so they don't get caught? When I'm saying I'm scumreading someone, I'm pretty serious about it. I'm not scumreading him, but I do think his play is suspicious. Are you saying that his reads aren't wonky in this game, since I think they are (for previously stated reasons). I was able to understand his reads in the previous game. Of course scum wants to try and get townread. But doing a townie thing doesn't make someone scum. At worst, it makes them null. Except in extreme circumstances, of course. GlowingBear, how does Hapahauli coaching have any effect on your actions/reads? | ||
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Trfel
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DarthPunk
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On January 18 2015 05:44 jarjarbinks wrote: When you say "him" do you mean DP? Or are you asking me and DP's reads on Cool? I think you mean DP. DP- Overdefended trfel's voting at the beginning when he probably knew what trfel was doing. I liked geripts analysis on page 14 explaining it. That's all I have. I'll be back tonight to catch up and put in thoughts. What if Trifle is town and I am just good at this game? Associations before flips. SMH. | ||
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Trfel
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I'll be out for a while, but then I will be back and hopefully have something to discuss. Again, feel free to ask any questions. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On January 18 2015 09:08 Trfel wrote: When I'm saying I'm scumreading someone, I'm pretty serious about it. I'm not scumreading him, but I do think his play is suspicious. Are you saying that his reads aren't wonky in this game, since I think they are (for previously stated reasons). I was able to understand his reads in the previous game. Of course scum wants to try and get townread. But doing a townie thing doesn't make someone scum. At worst, it makes them null. Except in extreme circumstances, of course. GlowingBear, how does Hapahauli coaching have any effect on your actions/reads? Coaches POV affects players gameplay. As I have a good grasp of how Hapahauli approaches a game, maybe I can get a townread from one of his coachees. IF he is coaching town, that is. | ||
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DarthPunk
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On January 18 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote: The way that LightningStrike played the start of this game still feels really weird to me. His thoughts seemed to be all over the place and his posting was somewhat random (particularly asking for rsoultin). However, since then he seems to have gained confidence and seems more towny. Especially after glancing through the scumgame he linked (yes I'm aware I played in that game, I wanted to look at it again anyway). LoneMeow seems very strange to me. At first I liked his questioning, and I still do, but all he has done is pick on people for small things. The one read he provided was at the request of GlowingBear. I know that LoneMeow is a very good player, and provides a lot of content without using a large number of posts, so I will wait for now.... but I am a bit suspicious. I generally like the way that Damdred and GlowingBear have been playing so far. Their analysis shows that they are reading the thread and trying to scumhunt, as well as generating discussion. I did notice that GlowingBear provided a lot of comments on posts in the thread, and I liked those. However, he also provided overall reads, but didn't show why he made those reads (they also didn't necessarily align with the comments he provided). The recent vote on Breshke is a continuation of this. However, I'm sure either of them could play a very capable scum game as well. Not a good Day 1 lynch. DarthPunk is coming up null. I have been waiting for more posts from him to provide more thoughts, but since he hasn't posted in a while, I will share my thoughts now. I do like that he picked up on LightingStrike's weird play at the start of the game. That was the same feeling that I got. However, he hasn't done very much at all except for saying that my opening made it seem that I am town. My opening doesn't really say anything about my alignment for reasons previously stated by geript, however the way I followed it up is more important (more on this later). For the record, several of you seem to be familiar with DarthPunk's playstyle, and I am completely unfamiliar with it, so that doesn't help. Geript's first post seemed a bit towny, and his second post seemed a bit scummy (it seemed like a poor use of a post when you are limiting yourself to ten). That's one fewer post to use to push a lynch later. Overall, geript seems fine for now, and is probably a poor Day 1 lynch. Rsoultin and jarjar, you two need to talk so that jarjar feels comfortable with Day 1. That aside, while jarjar's opening post is pretty horrible, he has given some useful thoughts since then. As for rsoultin, I feel that her play lines up exactly with (my knowledge of) her town meta. I also liked the questioning that she used with regards to my opening. Still, I take note that jarjar said that she is capable of doing this as either alignment. One thing I did find really strange is that rsoultin provided her thoughts using a Damdred quote. I have no idea why she would do this except to compare opinions, but she didn't provide any thoughts on Damdred (I know their thoughts on other players were side by side, but still), and it gave the impression that her reads were less independent. I do need to clarify that based on how last game (Newbie Mafia) went and my postgame discussions with GlowingBear, I have been trying a slightly different playstyle this game. My opening attempted to generate discussion, and a relatively large number of posts were made about it (the quality of the discussion it generated is more questionable, so perhaps it didn't work out as I intended). The reason I pushed that (false) viewpoint was because I wanted to get as much discussion from it as possible, which I believe I did. As for providing less content per post than in previous games, this is a conscious change I made after seeing how last game went. Brief summary of my play in last game: there wasn't much discussion on the first day, and I was busy, so I didn't share many thoughts or put in the effort that I wanted, and then I died. My death provided absolutely nothing for town to work with, since I hadn't shared any thoughts as they were not anywhere near conclusive. This game I am trying to share my thoughts more frequently to prevent something like that from happening again. The downside is that my posts will not contain as much quality content as I would like, but I believe that I have provided enough content. Everything I say is there for a reason (in the case of the coolTLname paragraph, the reason is because I don't want to delete it; not always the best reason, but whatever). With that in mind, I will answer geript's question. I (obviously) disagree with your read on me. I was intentionally being stubborn to argue with rsoultin and generate discussion, which (as I already stated) I think I was somewhat successful in. I was not so sure about your townread on LightningStrike at the time you made the post in question, but given some rereading and his posting since then, it seems reasonable. Rsoultin's play does seem towny so far, but he hasn't done anything that I couldn't see him doing as scum. I don't think that jarjar is a good lynch, however the reasons for that are mostly due to posts he made after you posted the read. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. This post is too hard to read. Less wall of text bro. | ||
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GlowingBear
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On January 18 2015 09:12 Trfel wrote: I feel like the discussion has died down... makes me sad. But I don't want to do something crazy again, since I'm already being scumread by some. I'll be out for a while, but then I will be back and hopefully have something to discuss. Again, feel free to ask any questions. It's actually getting traction now. But we can get this further. What do you think of DP? | ||
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GlowingBear
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