Newbie Mini Mafia LX

On January 04 2015 09:13 Half the Sky wrote:
Celestial, welcome, and glad to see another LDer frequent this area. I remember you from the Dota QQ thread hehe. There's a few others here too, but they don't play too often.
Best of luck with your thesis, you deserve the finish line after so much hard work. Hopefully a good job/position somewhere nice afterwards.

On January 06 2015 00:18 Half the Sky wrote:
Celestial I have a question for you regarding your read on Rasputin. Since Shining also commented on bluehunting, was there something in the content that jumped at you or was it just his manner of scumhunting that indicated bluehunting?

Having played with Rasputin before, and taking on a proper D1 meta read, particularly from Carol, my impression was that he will ask questions if something sounds weird, if I recall right, he threw around many posts at people as he criticised circular reasoning and lack of explanations (which happened loads in that game), but didn't go as far to read scum let alone vote people for poor reasoning in of itself.

On January 06 2015 00:56 ExO_ wrote:
I think its important to remember this isnt a purely newbie game. There are coaches, and they are going to have an effect on the posts here. And I think the above post is coached to a certain degree, or celestial is not as new as he seems. I only count 2 town reads in his post, and the rest are either neutral or scum reads.

At first I thought this was scummy, but the more I think about it the more im not entirely sure. Mafia love to call town as town, and a strong townread on me is an easy move for a mafia.

For his first real post into the thread though, its quite a large post. And quite calculated. Makes me uneasy.

On January 06 2015 02:18 LightningStrike wrote:

Rsoultin is a guy lol..... Also -Celestial- I did play the SC2 Mafia on Arcade mode too and I also play Town of Salem! Unfortunately TL Mafia and Fourm Mafia in general is quite different then Town of Salem and SC2 Mafia where it's not reliant on role claiming so early and also much faster Days and Nights.

On January 06 2015 02:30 LightningStrike wrote:

Everyone basically moved to Town of Salem from SC2 Mafia as far as I know. It just a better version of the game.

On January 06 2015 05:37 rsoultin wrote:
dont expect many posts from me during work hours, primarily. i dont have net access at work except on a lunch break and dont always choose to take them.

i am female. i just never correct ppl misreading me as a guy, especially since my gender is insignificant to these games xP

more importantly, i like the work you put in celeste, despite the read on me. exo seems okay so far this game...and i also find shining's drive by post interesting. im interested to see if he plans on following up. trfel is right about hts which is why i jumped; ill keep prodding if im not satisfied. not much to go off of yet...more thoughts or prods after work

On January 06 2015 06:10 LightningStrike wrote:

Oh god I so sorry calling you a guy for so long T_T
Also the drive by posting by Shining I think if Shining doesn't follow up on that then I could definitely see Shining as Scum but for now null I guess.

On January 06 2015 08:26 ExO_ wrote:
I'm home now and I think I have my first really solid scum read. But starting off with HTS:

I thought she had posted significantly more than she had. But what she has posted I've largely approved of. Her posts, to me, seem reasonable but she's not shying away from giving scum reads. She has been helpful without being rude, while being concise. I think she's town, and definitely not a day 1 lynch candidate.


However take a look at LS in these 2 quotes:





The theme here, is "everybody's town". Not a single scum read here. He has a lot of posts, but when I read his filter I don't see scum hunting. I see him not ruffling feathers of anybody in particular. He's even got a nice little "my reads on day 1 are normally poor" excuse lined up all nice and pretty.

nope nope nope. I see scum

##Vote: LightningStrike

On January 06 2015 09:25 jarjarbinks wrote:

Exo and Celestial: I think you are wrong about LS. She did have some scum reads. The first post that everyone has been overanalyzing is a typical first post (at least in my newbie mind). Using "we" at the beginning implies to me that she wanted people to post. It's kind of like a "Let's go" kind of deal. Actually the first whole page of stuff seemed like people who were just excited the game started.

I would expect more scumreads in the future, when there's much more to work with.

Lol Rsoultin. Everyone did think you were a guy! I thought it was just the other game!

Reading through all of this, I do see a lot of posts about how I need to defend my lack of posts. Right now I'm resisting the urge to come up some more excuses just so you guys can complain about them. I'll try to post more tonight.

On January 06 2015 09:16 Half the Sky wrote:
Also Shining, I am not tunnelling you. There are multiple scum in this game. You were not my only scumread, and there are others that I've mentioned that need to step it up. I have certain criteria I use to scum hunt and when someone appears to meet that criteria I am going to point it out with an explanation or an example.

On January 06 2015 11:08 rsoultin wrote:
Celeste...I don't think I'll be lynching you Day 1.

On January 06 2015 11:25 Tubesock wrote:


Celestial, can you reexplain this? Mainly the last sentence.

On January 05 2015 10:44 The Shining wrote:
On one hand, I can see why Soultin thought it a bit hasty for HTS to jump into the us vs scum mentality. Not knowing HTS from a hole in the wall also helps to make it a bit more odd for me that she'd jump in and be willing to be associated as an "us" with LS, unless she is in fact VT and believes LS is, too.

On the other hand, Soultin has already let it go and is now moved on to Silver. How am I to know you're not just going to question every one of us in the hopes of a slip or something that gives away a role?

On January 06 2015 13:16 Tubesock wrote:
I did like Celestial's last post. I was hoping he'd come back though and talk more.

On January 06 2015 23:19 rsoultin wrote:
Okay. Parking my vote on the waffle or now. It took prodding to get him to post in the first place...after boldly proclaiming he was getting a ton out of people's wording without any follow-through as ExO pointed out...and then his post was on just one of HTS'. Since then (and that was early in the day) he's done diddly.

On January 07 2015 01:18 Tubesock wrote:
-Celestial-

Why is Rsoultin more scummy than Gumdrops, Trfel, Silver, and me? I get why you town ExO so hard, and HTS but not the next 3 on your list?

On January 07 2015 01:35 LightningStrike wrote:
-Celestial- I noticed you ninja'd voting for JarJar can you explain why you voting for him? I just wondering that's all.

On January 07 2015 01:51 Tubesock wrote:


Ah, I see our differences. I tend to disregard to some extent a person's first few posts. You appear to keep an even weighting on all of them. I do want to point out that you had 3-4 posts that were just about rsoultin's gender, or SC2 mafia or whatever. If I said them I think you would have scummed me even worse. Yet, I really only had the 1 post you didn't like, and it still pertained to the current game. But anyway, I do think you're town even if we don't agree on your town reads so much although we do agree on the scums.

On January 07 2015 01:44 -Celestial- wrote:



I changed my vote as I was writing that last post so I wouldn't forget to change it. Please read.

On January 07 2015 02:14 Tubesock wrote:


I said, I want to know what she is GOING to vote.

My point about -Celestial- is I think it's hypocritical to scum me for 1 post where I talk about policy or whatever and then he has 3 or 4 which have nothing to do with the game. I refuse to believe I wouldn't be scummed for that shit, but it's ok for him and the ones he was talking to. I already said I town read him so far, so clearly that means I'm not placing much weight on it in my read of him.

Looks like everyone is already gone asleep.

I like that rsoultin is already building cases.

I think JarJar is pretty funny. Maybe case building also runs in the family?

On January 07 2015 02:24 Tubesock wrote:
I'm not sure. The WarWaffle wagon started from what I think is a pressure vote. I'm undecided if she's just piling on the most popular wagon early or not. She did say she would come back before the lynch, and I inferred she would reevaluate and go from there.

warwaffle is a really safe vote for her if she's scum.

On January 07 2015 04:28 Tubesock wrote:
HTS, I know you're waiting on some responses to your questions from others, but do you have a D1 lynch list?

I'm starting to get worried that with such little activity, and so many who still need to vote, that people are going to be doing bullshit shenanies at EoD.

Do you have lynch targets outside of Shining, JarJar, and Warwaffle?

On January 07 2015 04:49 Tubesock wrote:


I don't know the proper way to deal with claims. To me, LS's "I'll claim if I have to" is a fucking claim. And it really irritates me, along with the meta stuff. The only towny thing I get from him is that he appears to be unafraid to post, and answer questions (aside from the little bit of heat to make him claim threaten). So, we vote him, he's going to claim. Now we will all panic and shenany on some shitty target that isn't vetted much. That's a lot to go wrong.

I'd rather vote The Shining or jarjar.

JarJar isn't following through really. He show's up, and leaves while I'm still here waiting on a question I've asked 4 times. I'm his #2 scum and his ideal scum play so why isn't he attacking me? I'm here to dance. I'll even wear a dress and you can call me pretty, but he just leaves.

Warwaffle is the leading wagon at the moment I think. While it is for sure a pressure/policy vote we have to lynch him if he doesn't show up right?

On January 07 2015 04:59 Trfel wrote:
Wait, the voting deadline is tonight? I thought it was tomorrow night....

BTW I am here and am doing a careful rereading of the thread. I will post my thoughts and my vote when I am done, with explanations of course.

On January 07 2015 07:25 TheWarWaffle wrote:
No computer, 12% battery on IPhone. 2 hours until I am most likely lynched... Time for a desperate measure. I am town and possess a power role. I appear to have made a fool of myself through my and am unable to defend myself adequately at this time. All I can say is I'm not mafia and that there are better people to lynch.

On January 07 2015 08:54 Trfel wrote:
In the case of a tie, the first person to receive that number of votes would die.

On January 07 2015 09:59 rsoultin wrote:

Celestial and Gumdrop both had useless votes, which bothers me more from Celestial than Gumdrop simply because he was actually here to do something about it. Can you explain your vote, Celestial?

On January 07 2015 10:32 rsoultin wrote:
It's clear here that you knew that WW claimed. So normally my BS meter would be going off, because you clearly stated here that you are also suspicious of LS, and a blue claim should be enough on Day 1 to convince people not to lynch WW.

You also clearly knew that WW was going to be the lynch.

I didn't personally like LS as a Day 1 lynch...although I think that of the players here he should be quicker to move his vote than anyone on that train and that does not sit well with me, considering I know that he was lynched as a blue role in his first game and was especially concerned about that the last several games, but apparently not this one...

Yet there was still shining.

Are you townreading Shining? If you're calling him a Day 2 lynch...I don't get it. Suspicious of LS and suspicious enough of Shining to consider lynching him, but you decided to park your vote instead?

i want to lynch shining. i will settle for ww.

my initial vote on WW was pure pressure

On January 07 2015 11:46 rsoultin wrote:


You're right. I did. At the time LS and WW were the only lynch wagons, with just HTS voting Shining, and I have only now become suspicious of LS. I did make an effort to convince people on Shining from my mobile during my lunch break, but Trfel and JarJar didn't vote until afterwards. Trfel himself was initially very reluctant to vote Shining and was the main one I was trying to convince, because I knew he had the best chance of pushing the lynch if I couldn't.

It probably would have been better if I had just switched my vote. The reads on demand right before the lynch didn't impress me that much, but had I gotten any support, I definitely would have switched. You clearly made the effort to look through my filter. Can you honestly say that it reads any differently?

On January 07 2015 12:02 rsoultin wrote:
To be frank, Celestial, your idea that being aggressive, asking questions and scumreading people is scum behavior is very odd, even for a new player.

There are scum in this game.

They did play a role in this lynch somehow. Actively or passively it's hard to say with only WW flipped.

How do you expect to figure out and lynch scum without questioning people? Just sit there and it'll magically come to you as no one talks?

I would expect more people to be trying to figure this out and questioning odd behavior, rather than complaining about people "blaming" others. I did not go hard after you. I all but said I'm inclined to chalk it up to this being a newbie game. LS I went after because he honestly should know better...and he has in the past been very leery about lynching blue roles. This does not fit with his past behavior, or my expectations of him in his fourth game here.

Bah...I'll look at Shining again in the morning, because I still have strong suspicions about him. His last second vote switch to WW after the guy had claimed is icky and looks more like trying to save his own skin in case anyone changed their vote. (Although town can want to save their own skin, too, I do realize that.) But I want to bring new eyes to this. Bedtime for me.

On January 07 2015 22:28 rsoultin wrote:
You and I are playing the game differently. I will try to vote for the most scummy train. If I can't convince people to go for my top scumread, I go for one of my other scumreads people are voting for. With no scumreads up for vote, I go with a null read. If all up for vote are townreads I try to convince people to consolidate on an alternative lynch starting at my scumreads and settling on null if I have to, cause it's better than voting a townread. I do it this way because you can be 100% right but if you're the only one voting someone they will never be lynched. So yay you can say "I told you so" at the end, but your vote was meaningless and town still lost. Does this make sense?

It's frustrating that you see questions as blame and accuse me of not looking into people voting WW between the claim and EoD and accuse me of blaming others in practically the same breath. What do you think I was doing all night? Is it just that you don't think I should be questioning people who were not voting WW or what gives?

On January 07 2015 09:59 rsoultin wrote:
Anyway...Silverarte and I were not in the thread at the time. Tubesock and LS were. Shining was voting for a counterwagon, not scummy in and of itself. Shining...can you please explain your reasoning for voting WW over LS with a soft blue claim?

Celestial and Gumdrop both had useless votes, which bothers me more from Celestial than Gumdrop simply because he was actually here to do something about it. Can you explain your vote, Celestial?

On January 08 2015 09:52 The Shining wrote:
Celestial throwing away that vote on JarJar is really suspicious. That and the very early big post by Celestial that gave out a bunch of free town reads, mine included, a post that wasn't really warranted at the time. As has been mentioned before, Mafia likes to give out free town reads and hide in big posts. They also like to make excuses, which Celestial has done right as EoN and beginning of Day 2 started.

On January 08 2015 12:26 LightningStrike wrote:
I don't like Celestial not liking the case on Shining from you

On January 08 2015 14:27 ExO_ wrote:
Then there's Celestial. I think I'm starting to scum read him as well. I didn't like that he just parked his vote on jarjar. I also don't like how he seems to be going whichever way the wind blows. He's easily swayed with whoever is posting at the time. For example he hopped right on the LS train with me, then when I was gone for a while he backed off it, only to start agreeing with me more when I got back in the thread. Another example is he did a bit of an OMGUS on rsoultin after day 1, but immediately said he was willing to give he the benefit of the doubt. That's scum behavior in my mind. Scum read.

On January 08 2015 14:35 Silverarte wrote:
Celestial: You're been prolific in your posting, and it's led me to think town for you at first. The throwing away of your vote (as you put it) still puts a redmark on you to watch. I think my biggest fret is the free town passes early, straight to the vote...and then I'm not seeing much here about trying to contribute for the town and it feels floaty about-ish. Is Rsoultin your biggest target right now? Why?

LightningStrike just posted fluff and comments on other people's posts so far. Not really sure what to make of that honestly.

Oh, and a pregame excuse. Several days from now I will be moving back to school, so I will be less active for a while then. Sorry for the inconvenience.

On January 09 2015 02:11 ExO_ wrote:


You are lying and I can prove it.



Before my post, this is the only mention you made to lightning strike. And even though you say he posts fluff, in that same post you go on to say his last post was good and he gets some credit. The next time you mention LS, is quoting and agreeing with me.

Oh really?



At this point in time I had been gone from the thread for a while. And thus the discussion moved away from LS for a while. As does your vote, and your vocal suspicions. Next comes:




You finally go back on to LS with:



Coincidentally guess what I posted just 6 posts and 12 minutes before the above quoted post::



HTS and I have a discussion about LS, and then you went back on him.

So at the very least, you are lying about suspecting LS before I posted. You pushed suspicion onto the WW train while carefully parking your vote on jarjar. You have been careful this game and generally agreeable. But if there's one thing I believe:

Liars should be lynched

People make mistakes. But I believe your post is intentionally misleading, not accidental.

##Vote: Celestial

On January 09 2015 03:51 Tubesock wrote:
I didn't think Trfel was townreading The Shining or LightningStrike until about 3 times of rereading his filter. Did you guys think that he was not scumming them?

Is my thinking bad to believe that we could not have had 2 mafia on 3 wagons on Day 1? It's possible sure, but really? I get the argument that if BOTH LS and Shining are mafia that Trfel is a good NK. If none or one of them are mafia, I have a really hard time they wouldn't kill Rsoultin, Half The Sky, or ExO_.

Can more people talk to me about this? If you can't tell, I'm pretty dense and stubborn. I need more than one person to say this is a crackpot idea.

-Celestial- - You mentioned you had no idea how the wagon started and got momentum. I haven't seen you pursue that just yet. I probably missed it, can you let me know what you've learned?

On January 09 2015 04:23 LightningStrike wrote:

I claimed VT because I thought I was getting lynched and claimed there simple as that. I had the majority of the votes at the time I claimed VT.

On January 09 2015 04:54 LightningStrike wrote:
Celestial did you not see the vote count at the time I claimed VT? Ya the majority was on me not WW. Ofc I would claim if I had the majority of the votes a couple hours before being lynched.

On January 07 2015 05:12 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm Vanilla Town this game I wish I was a Cop to redeem myself from Campus Mafia

On January 07 2015 05:07 kitaman27 wrote:
Day 1 Vote Count

jarjarbinks (1): ExO_, -Celestial-
LightningStrike (1): ExO_, -Celestial-
Gumdrop (1): Tubesock
TheWarWaffle (3): rsoultin, LightningStrike, Silverarte
Tubesock (1): TheWarWaffle

Not Voting (5): The Shining, Half the Sky, jarjarbinks, Trfel, Gumdrop

Currently, TheWarWaffle is set to be lynched. until deadline.

On January 09 2015 04:59 ExO_ wrote:


This is a lie Celestial. Saying he's posting fluff and then giving him town credit is not calling him out. You didn't say anything significant against him until I made my big post. This isn't altering the timeline of events, nor is it misquoting you.

It's trying to get credit for FoSing someone you didn't. I'm not letting you slip by with that.

LightningStrike just posted fluff and comments on other people's posts so far. Not really sure what to make of that honestly.

Edit: LS posted as I was writing this. Last post was pretty good in my opinion, some credit there. Still don't want to make a call on him though. Neutral for now.

On January 09 2015 05:00 LightningStrike wrote:

Okay I thought was I was ahead on votes still at the time my bad -.- But still I was being pressured by ExO and Tube at least if I recall.

On January 09 2015 04:44 Tubesock wrote:
-Celestial- You're the towniest of the town so far. Is there anyone you can make a really strong case on and push for?

Who is your likely mafia team?

On January 09 2015 05:34 Tubesock wrote:


To -Celestial-:

Lies and such aside. I think part of ExO's point is you haven't really stuck your neck out for any read. I'd love to see you cash in some of this town cred you have and really force-ably push a case. You have to have more than 1 scum read. LS is an easy lynch. Building a case on him is a waste of time and shows no risk.

You decided to stay off a main wagon and park on JarJar. Build your case. He's pretty scummy.

On January 09 2015 05:28 ExO_ wrote:



I don't know what to say. I don't think saying he was posting fluff is expressing any significant amount of doubt. This means that you were not suspicious of him, and didn't really express it until after I did.

You backed off of LS after I left the thread for a while, and didn't get back on to him until 6 posts and 12 minutes after I showed that his current playstyle (everybody's town) matched what he did in a mafia game.

Regardless whether or not you used my reasoning or your own, this is the timeline that happened. Two times after I went after LS, you followed it up. You claim the 2nd time was for different reasoning. Okay, I could see that. But then I'm asking myself, why would you lie about the initial suspicion? I don't think your first post demonstrated suspicion of LS at all.

I'm significantly more convinced LS is scum than you. But I think you did lie, or at least heavily overrepresented your initial suspicion of LS.

On January 09 2015 07:04 ExO_ wrote:
@Celestial why do you think mafia NKed trfel?

On January 09 2015 07:08 Tubesock wrote:


I was actually hoping you'd go after a more difficult target. The LS case is pretty much closed. I'm the only one defending him, and I have nothing but a tinfoil hat conspiracy.

On January 09 2015 07:17 Tubesock wrote:


Well, I thought I made it clear. I think any case on LS now is a waste. The case on him, and his behavior is strong enough for all 9 of us to be on him. Shit, If I were Lightning I'd vote myself for how bad I am.

I mean there is literally 0 people towning him. I even said I'm probably ragevoting him. That means there better be 1 wagon with everyone on LS. Why build a case in this situation?

You're next I thought was Jarjar. Go after someone who we can go after D3.

On January 09 2015 07:29 Tubesock wrote:


You literally don't have a 2nd scum read?

On January 09 2015 07:21 Tubesock wrote:
I feel like any more evidence on LS is like going to the doctor when you're pregnant, getting a blood test, then going to two more doctors to really make sure you're pregnant.

You've said my tinfoil hat theory is probably not right. You're saying it implicitly by spending 30 minutes on a case on LS. I'm the ONLY one defending him. Why pick LS for a case?

On January 09 2015 07:43 ExO_ wrote:
@Celestial

Why do you think mafia nked trfel?

On January 09 2015 07:57 Tubesock wrote:

If there was 1 mafia on the lynch, then it's smarter to kill one of the ones with an opinion (framing the non mafia perhaps) and then mafia can "guide" town to killing the townie.

On January 09 2015 08:03 ExO_ wrote:


It did to a degree. Let me ask you another question. Trfel said he didn't like any of the lynches. Having reread his filter a couple times, I found something to be odd. Before the it became apparent that WW or LS or Shining was likely to die, there was only one person whoose opening post he specifically mentions as being off. He never got to really expand on it, but can you guess who it is?

On January 09 2015 08:05 Tubesock wrote:


That's exactly who I am pushing now. Yes, it's the only time he spoke of this person. And the scummiest thing he said about anyone.

On January 07 2015 06:24 Trfel wrote:
Also, I really don't like -Celestial-'s opening post. Most of the points made feel wrong to me. I don't scumread him for it, but I am rather surprised by the amount of other people who agreed with it.

On January 07 2015 07:38 Trfel wrote:
Looking into Tubesock now, I will keep checking for thoughts, especially the response to my thoughts on TheWarWaffle.

On January 07 2015 08:00 Trfel wrote:

No, I'm reading your filter and trying to decide if you are town or scum. There is a big difference.

On January 09 2015 08:15 Tubesock wrote:
Celestial can't be bothered to make a case on Jarjar??? His number 2 read in all his scum list posts???

When I asked him to make a case, I said make a tough one that you stick your head out. And he starts one of LS??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

On January 09 2015 08:25 ExO_ wrote:


Other than LS, who are your top 2 scum reads and why?

On January 06 2015 01:32 -Celestial- wrote:
My logic is something like this: there seemed to be a lack of interest in actually identifying what someone is but more looking for anything that might indicate someone is different from the rest. A tell that just indicates that someone is a little bit different. But that could mean either mafia or a blue and you can't know which without working out a more detailed read. Who would just want to know if someone is "different"? Well, the mafia of course, because they KNOW they're scum, so anyone who is different from the rest and not one of them is a blue. So by jumping about any tells found are likely to be indicative of blues, since they already know the mafia. A VT or blue wouldn't necessarily know if certain tells were because of scum or a fellow blue; which means their hunting would feel different to this.

i want to lynch shining. i will settle for ww.

On January 09 2015 11:58 Half the Sky wrote:

Finally as I have just mentioned with Tubesock and discussing Silverarte, I'd also like to see (when you are back in thread) some discussion of Rasputin's D2 activity.. You obviously think she is scum, so I would imagine there is some reasoning behind her current/latest actions where you feel that read has not changed.

So when you return I'd like to see that when you can.

On January 09 2015 12:21 The Shining wrote:

@Celestial, one townread is one townread. 2 townreads is a couple. Explain to me how 3 reads leaning town so early in the game is not a bunch? As I mentioned in the post you responded to, I've learned that Mafia, especially Day One, likes to hide behind those big posts with a couple of town reads to hopefully gain some credit. It doesn't escape me that your 3 Town reads were:
Trfel - NK. He didn't like your big post but never got to elaborate on you. Confirmed town.
ExO - Aside from me not liking his early attacks with too little follow through for my liking, most everyone here liked his play and the points he made. I'm almost willing to chalk it up to my newb play and meta bias from past games with him that I seem to be the odd one out but it's convenient that he's a Town read for you, too. It's almost too easy to sheep multiple players believing ExO is town.
Shining - Me. I had already been under suspicion for my questioning Soultin and HTS. It's another free town read for you as scum. Why were you one of the ones Town reading me for the same posts everyone else was scumming me? Because you expected my wagon to pick up more. Once I flip town, you can say "I told you so, guys, let's stop mislynching" and try to lead the discussion. Sort of what you did with WW. Although you didn't Town him, you did go "against" his lynch, somewhat. However, after looking at the Voting Thread and your filter, this troubles me:




See, you go from scumming WW to saying it has gotten worse. However, once WW's train received it's 3rd vote, you started backpedaling. Probably to have some deniability on the wagon you wanted to go through?





All of your "lynching WW is silly" was after the wagon already picked up speed. I've already explained why you'd throw away a vote as scum once the lynch already looks secured. Also, as EoD got closer, I asked my question about ties. At that time, it was WW's 4 to my 3. Your question was:



This was your opportunity to figure out if you needed to join one of the main wagons or not. If ties end in no lynch, you'd vote either WW or myself in order to ensure a town mislynch. Also, can I point out(since I filter-dove you pretty hard) that you also scummed Tube, but sheeped his WW read? It's quoted above but you said "I agree with Tube, WW isn't the best lynch for today."

And I just hit Celestial's massive post on my case. First, a case on LS when we've all beaten it to death and now me, pretty much the only other viable wagon besides yourself(who you can't vote) and LS(possible scum partner)? I guess I'd pick the easy way, too, if I were scum. Let me finish reading up but I'm interested to see how many of these bullets are parrots off of others. Also, you're scumreading me after I scumread you. Convenient.

More to follow after reading Celestial's case against me and everything after.

On January 10 2015 01:15 Tubesock wrote:


Assuming rsoultin is mafia. You really believe she *knows* who 2 of our blues were before they claimed?

On January 12 2015 07:30 Silverarte wrote:
(Nothing personal Celestial! And a belated happy birthday!)

On January 13 2015 09:47 Half the Sky wrote:


Yea, two of us being the same timezone I think helped with coordination and such, we just kept at it.