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Which I've had about a month and a half to work on properly exclusively due to having to be in the lab right up until the last minute, and suffered a bereavement part way through that messed me up a bit but I couldn't get an extension for. Yeah...fun. >_> | ||
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On January 04 2015 09:13 Half the Sky wrote: Celestial, welcome, and glad to see another LDer frequent this area. I remember you from the Dota QQ thread hehe. There's a few others here too, but they don't play too often. Best of luck with your thesis, you deserve the finish line after so much hard work. Hopefully a good job/position somewhere nice afterwards. Well I've not been around there much because...well...thesis. But now that its done and printed (I hand it in tomorrow) I'm sure I'll be around more to rage about teammates.  And thanks. | ||
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 Got my thesis submitted this morning, yay! So now I have time to actually do stuff. Although I'm not going to spend ALL my time in here because frankly I had no Christmas or New Year and my Birthday is next Monday so...yeah I have to make up for that. Going to watch all of Breaking Bad and Puella Magi Madoka Magica. :D But I'll still do whatever I can to help with the scumhunting in between trying to relax. Anyway, as I understand it we need to decide on a lynch for Wednesday night, right? According to the counter anyway. Going to be tricky because lots of new players but of those few who HAVE played before...well actually I've been watching some of the recent mafia games over the holiday before I even signed up so I recognise some names. Hope that helps with my reading. I'm not really familiar with most of the people here I've got some initial thoughts on other people's posts so far. I've read it all and there's just enough to make comments on everyone at this early point: The Shining made some good points on both HtS and rsoultin. Not a lot to go on but I like his thinking and comments on both of them, its logical and nicely detailed. I'd tentatively start learning towards town on this guy based on that. Half the Sky posted some fluff and moved onto questioning a couple of people in the last couple of posts. Some people posted some good things about scum reads but Trfel's point that she opened the other game exactly the same way (where she was town) has a lot of merit, I watched some of that game myself actually before signing up here and found her really hard to get a read on early. So for now I'm just saying neutral. rsoultin running around poking people with accusations. Little bit too quick about it and jumping from person to person very fast it seems. I'm not sure whether to read that as a genuine scumhunt attempt or bluehunting. And very, very quick to judge HtS like he's trying to find a reason to hang someone up as a nice big lynch target right away. Neutral leaning towards scum, I'm somewhat suspicious but I'm not sure if that's my own feeling or influenced by comments from other people so it'd be unfair to go all of the way and say scum. Maybe he's just really enthusiastic? jarjarbinks hasn't posted much to go on at all. Don't know whether that's because of the claimed computer problems or because he's trying to stay unnoticed though so its somewhat unfair to read at this early point. Though he IS making a lot of inactivity accusations which doesn't look good. Trfel made a good initial impressions post with a good observation about HtS. Neutral. I want to almost say "leaning away from scum but not leaning town" here from that first post because its how I feel even thought it makes no sense. Gumdrop one post. Neutral because judging based on one short post, as for jarjarbinks, is unfair at this point. Silverarte immediately jumped by rsoultin for lack of clarity after her first post commenting on his reading on all his jumping about. This very much makes me feel they're not teamed up as otherwise they'd not want to draw attention like that. My initial feeling is that either one of them is scum or neither is. Though that could change with more posts. TheWarWaffle gave an analysis on HtS that seems earnest. On the other hand Trfel pointed out that HtS opened exactly similarly to last time when she was town; and given that WW made such a big deal of the quality of his reads it seems a bit strange that he'd either miss such an obvious source of information. So either WW is trying to make an earnest analysis as town and isn't aware of HtS' past game (which would seem strange given his apparent confidence), or he's scum and might be trying to get a lynch train going against HtS. Possibly with rsoultin possibly just taking advantage of his early comments, I don't know. Hard read to make. ExO_ made good points about rsoultin and jarjarbinks and was good to call out WarWaffle on his claims of tells but not actually saying anything. Although he hasn't posted a lot I like what I've seen. Probably my strongest townread. LightningStrike just posted fluff and comments on other people's posts so far. Not really sure what to make of that honestly. Tubesock is coming across as really scummy from those first few posts. He comments about how he likes rsoultin's finger pointing and comments on jarjar positively as well despite the fact the guy has said little. His only other comments are a question about guides, a comment about how we definitely need to lynch D1 and how "even a mislynch gets a lot of information" and playing down his D1 read ability in order to remain under the radar. It seems a mix of sidetracking, contributing for the sake of looking like contributing, and making excuses for not really getting involved. So yeah...in short I'd say that my strongest townread so far is probably ExO_ and my strongest scumread would be Tubesock. Though with not much to go on so far that could all change. Convince me! :D Day 1 is hard. Edit: LS posted as I was writing this. Last post was pretty good in my opinion, some credit there. Still don't want to make a call on him though. Neutral for now. | ||
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Won't make that mistake twice. | ||
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I'm sure I'll get a better read on you when I've checked over your previous games to compare openings. For what its worth you're in the same boat as Trfel with me as "leaning away from scum but not leaning town". Doesn't really make sense as a thing but there it is. Either way to me you're a "do not D1 lynch". | ||
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On January 06 2015 00:18 Half the Sky wrote: Celestial I have a question for you regarding your read on Rasputin. Since Shining also commented on bluehunting, was there something in the content that jumped at you or was it just his manner of scumhunting that indicated bluehunting? Having played with Rasputin before, and taking on a proper D1 meta read, particularly from Carol, my impression was that he will ask questions if something sounds weird, if I recall right, he threw around many posts at people as he criticised circular reasoning and lack of explanations (which happened loads in that game), but didn't go as far to read scum let alone vote people for poor reasoning in of itself. Well I can't metaread anyone until I go back over the posts from other games so I'm sure you and others know more than me on his past tendencies. It was the manner really, not a specific post. The jumping about and the nature of the questions themselves said to me that he wasn't looking for particularly deep alignment reads on anyone but was just looking for some kind of tell of anything at all. My logic is something like this: there seemed to be a lack of interest in actually identifying what someone is but more looking for anything that might indicate someone is different from the rest. A tell that just indicates that someone is a little bit different. But that could mean either mafia or a blue and you can't know which without working out a more detailed read. Who would just want to know if someone is "different"? Well, the mafia of course, because they KNOW they're scum, so anyone who is different from the rest and not one of them is a blue. So by jumping about any tells found are likely to be indicative of blues, since they already know the mafia. A VT or blue wouldn't necessarily know if certain tells were because of scum or a fellow blue; which means their hunting would feel different to this. I don't know if I explained myself well enough there but that's how I reasoned it. Its not strong enough to read him as mafia, but it came across as a bit scummy to me. Of course that could just be the way he plays, like I said I don't know people well enough right now to metaread so if you have a different position based on that I can't really contest it. On January 06 2015 00:56 ExO_ wrote: I think its important to remember this isnt a purely newbie game. There are coaches, and they are going to have an effect on the posts here. And I think the above post is coached to a certain degree, or celestial is not as new as he seems. I only count 2 town reads in his post, and the rest are either neutral or scum reads. At first I thought this was scummy, but the more I think about it the more im not entirely sure. Mafia love to call town as town, and a strong townread on me is an easy move for a mafia. For his first real post into the thread though, its quite a large post. And quite calculated. Makes me uneasy. I'm actually quite honoured that you think I'm not as new as I seem. Genuinely my first game of Mafia on a forum. I've played it in groups at theatre rehearsals before today though and a little bit in that SC2 arcade mod.  If you're fishing why it was so large and detailed, I handed in my thesis this morning and this is the first chance I've been completely free and gotten to actually do something fun without that weight over me for...well, years now. So I got a little bit carried away. I don't have any mafia examples because this is my first game, but my tendency to get carried away with large posts can be seen in several examples across here, LiquidDota and LiquidHearth when I really get into a topic. | ||
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On January 06 2015 02:18 LightningStrike wrote: Rsoultin is a guy lol..... Also -Celestial- I did play the SC2 Mafia on Arcade mode too and I also play Town of Salem! Unfortunately TL Mafia and Fourm Mafia in general is quite different then Town of Salem and SC2 Mafia where it's not reliant on role claiming so early and also much faster Days and Nights. SC2 mafia is utterly nuts sometimes. It so fast and everyone is so quick to point fingers. One game of that I played just ripped itself apart in about three minutes with the entire mafia team surviving. Its a fun play from time to time though if you can get a game of it going (not as many people playing nowadays as I remember from when I played a couple years ago). | ||
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On January 06 2015 02:30 LightningStrike wrote: Everyone basically moved to Town of Salem from SC2 Mafia as far as I know. It just a better version of the game. Nice. I'll take a look, thanks for that. | ||
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On January 06 2015 05:37 rsoultin wrote: dont expect many posts from me during work hours, primarily. i dont have net access at work except on a lunch break and dont always choose to take them. i am female. i just never correct ppl misreading me as a guy, especially since my gender is insignificant to these games xP more importantly, i like the work you put in celeste, despite the read on me. exo seems okay so far this game...and i also find shining's drive by post interesting. im interested to see if he plans on following up. trfel is right about hts which is why i jumped; ill keep prodding if im not satisfied. not much to go off of yet...more thoughts or prods after work Sorry about calling you "he" then, its just I've seen other people do it so I just went along with that. X-D And thanks, its nothing personal of course. There's only so much up so far and I've not played other games with you (or anyone, but anyway), so I can't meta-read very well, so I'm just going with what I've seen here and how I feel it fits together. Of course now if I get killed first night then I'm pretty sure I've been on the right lines with at least one of my suspicions about scum. It'll be very interesting to see if I actually survive it. Big if though; having thought about it I'm probably putting something of a target on my head for the scum by posting reads like that if I'm on the right lines anywhere. Anyway, I'm not sure how to take this whole "drive by" posting thing with The Shining to be honest that you're discussing. I liked his first post which seemed townie so my first instinct was to lean him towards town (as I mentioned earlier) but the longer it goes as his ONLY post makes me start to doubt my first impressions there. Sort of like a "here's a obligatory post that contains some stuff that will make you think I'm town, now please forget about me". I don't know, kinda comes down to the "convince me" thing again. I'd need to see something a lot more scummy to call as a lynch target though. | ||
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On January 06 2015 06:10 LightningStrike wrote: Oh god I so sorry calling you a guy for so long T_T Also the drive by posting by Shining I think if Shining doesn't follow up on that then I could definitely see Shining as Scum but for now null I guess. I'm finding it awkward because I dislike "inactivity" in and of itself as a scum lynch read. I mean if its all there is I guess its a possibility but it makes me very uncomfortable to condemn based on that alone. Although the whole "posting something useful then disappearing" makes it a bit more convincing than simple inactivity or minimal posting like jarjar or gumdrop. | ||
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On January 06 2015 08:26 ExO_ wrote: I'm home now and I think I have my first really solid scum read. But starting off with HTS: I thought she had posted significantly more than she had. But what she has posted I've largely approved of. Her posts, to me, seem reasonable but she's not shying away from giving scum reads. She has been helpful without being rude, while being concise. I think she's town, and definitely not a day 1 lynch candidate. However take a look at LS in these 2 quotes: The theme here, is "everybody's town". Not a single scum read here. He has a lot of posts, but when I read his filter I don't see scum hunting. I see him not ruffling feathers of anybody in particular. He's even got a nice little "my reads on day 1 are normally poor" excuse lined up all nice and pretty. nope nope nope. I see scum ##Vote: LightningStrike Actually your evidence here to me suggests that's a very strong call. The "everyone is town so be cool, hey" narrative really works. Much stronger than any of my current scum reads. I'm inclined to agree. | ||
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I'll hold off on actually voting until tomorrow I think. Let some more people get their words in for me to try and get a better feel of it. | ||
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On January 06 2015 09:25 jarjarbinks wrote: Exo and Celestial: I think you are wrong about LS. She did have some scum reads. The first post that everyone has been overanalyzing is a typical first post (at least in my newbie mind). Using "we" at the beginning implies to me that she wanted people to post. It's kind of like a "Let's go" kind of deal. Actually the first whole page of stuff seemed like people who were just excited the game started. I would expect more scumreads in the future, when there's much more to work with. Lol Rsoultin. Everyone did think you were a guy! I thought it was just the other game! Reading through all of this, I do see a lot of posts about how I need to defend my lack of posts. Right now I'm resisting the urge to come up some more excuses just so you guys can complain about them. I'll try to post more tonight. Except LS's first post isn't really the issue here. Your focus on that appears to be trying to direct the discussion into an entirely erroneous direction. In any case believe me, I feel kinda bad about agreeing with ExO on this to be honest because LS seems pretty nice what with chatting to me earlier in the thread and all that...but I guess that's the point ExO is making. Distracting people with niceness and town reads everywhere makes you seem nice, friendly and forgettable. Precisely what you want to be as a mafia. The more I think about this the more convinced I'm getting honestly. It'll be very interesting to see what LS has to say about it. And I don't think anyone is saying anything as aggressive as you need to "defend" your lack of posts. People have posted that you should post more and that you set yourself up for some really nice excuses to just lurk. You're coming across as paranoid here to be honest, as well as deflecting things off topic. Getting a really strong scumread from this particular post of jarjar's to be honest. | ||
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On January 06 2015 09:16 Half the Sky wrote: Also Shining, I am not tunnelling you. There are multiple scum in this game. You were not my only scumread, and there are others that I've mentioned that need to step it up. I have certain criteria I use to scum hunt and when someone appears to meet that criteria I am going to point it out with an explanation or an example. Out of interest what are your current scumreads in addition to Shining? And what about the recent read on LS? | ||
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On January 06 2015 11:08 rsoultin wrote: Celeste...I don't think I'll be lynching you Day 1. That's very gracious of you, I'm still suspicious of you though. Personally I'm still liking the LS lynch. Its not pure policy and we lack strong scumreads because its the first day. Whilst I don't think the case against Shining is entirely without merit, especially with you pointing out the whole "blaming people who accuse me of scum" thing going on there but I feel the points against LS are stronger at this point. This may change after LS posts again but for the moment I think I'm staying in that particular camp for lynching. Again though...want to keep from actually voting until LS has had a chance to speak. On January 06 2015 11:25 Tubesock wrote: Celestial, can you reexplain this? Mainly the last sentence. Basically The Shining posted some actual analysis as an early post, then didn't come back for ages when people started to question it: On January 05 2015 10:44 The Shining wrote: On one hand, I can see why Soultin thought it a bit hasty for HTS to jump into the us vs scum mentality. Not knowing HTS from a hole in the wall also helps to make it a bit more odd for me that she'd jump in and be willing to be associated as an "us" with LS, unless she is in fact VT and believes LS is, too. On the other hand, Soultin has already let it go and is now moved on to Silver. How am I to know you're not just going to question every one of us in the hopes of a slip or something that gives away a role? I don't view the content quite as scummy as rsoultin seems to think it is but the fact it was posted and then basically orphaned even with people questioning it made it stand out as a post that felt like "look, I'm doing analysis, I'm not scum, now please forget about me". In contrast both jarjar and gumdrop had posted minimal content posts and then just not replied again. I'm not a huge believer in "they're active therefore scum" as a rule...I mean for lack of anything else I could go with one but I wouldn't be happy about it exactly. However I find posting a fairly neutral analysis and then trying to be forgotten a lot more scummy than posting briefly to say "hi" and then just not posting again. To me the latter comes across as either just not having the time, taking the time away or even just not caring too much about the game. The former comes across as trying to hide. In short: posting hardly anything and then disappearing indicates to me you're not scared, which is townie. Posting a bit of analysis without committing makes it look to me like you're trying to look as if you're contributing whilst hiding away from any actual risk. Which is scummy. Is that better? I can try to clarify more if I'm still not explaining myself properly. | ||
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