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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 12 2015 13:46 GMT
#1159
JJB - your turn.

Your formulas.

1 Looking at the category where Silver is telling the truth, you have ExO and Tube at the bottom, but controlling for them possibly being GF. You say ExO's actions are more likely to make him GF. Can you expand on this?

2 Partial extension of #1 - it seems like for the other reads you have this 3% buffer based on subjectivity. You subtracted 2% from Shining for instance. Can you explain why such a small buffer for the others, but seemingly a larger one for ExO? I mean you go from 11% (or 1/11 as you say) to 35%?

That looks like a double standard to me. If something jumped out at you, please explain.

Am I reading you wrong? It seems like you are putting in numbers based on voting and scumreads?

I am struggling to find context for your numbers yet again, and by the looks of it, Tube is as well.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 12 2015 16:28 GMT
#1165
Alright JJB, time to step it up. Please answer all the relevant questions. Several have commented on the subjectivity part of it and there's yet to be an acceptable response.

#vote JJB
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 12 2015 16:52 GMT
#1167
Here's mine (if you can't page back)

On January 12 2015 22:46 Half the Sky wrote:
JJB - your turn.

Your formulas.

1 Looking at the category where Silver is telling the truth, you have ExO and Tube at the bottom, but controlling for them possibly being GF. You say ExO's actions are more likely to make him GF. Can you expand on this?

2 Partial extension of #1 - it seems like for the other reads you have this 3% buffer based on subjectivity. You subtracted 2% from Shining for instance. Can you explain why such a small buffer for the others, but seemingly a larger one for ExO? I mean you go from 11% (or 1/11 as you say) to 35%?

That looks like a double standard to me. If something jumped out at you, please explain.

Am I reading you wrong? It seems like you are putting in numbers based on voting and scumreads?

I am struggling to find context for your numbers yet again, and by the looks of it, Tube is as well.


The fact is, this is D3, so you've had a few days over now to explain the numbers in a way that make sense in context.
After 3 days and trying to work through things we have to question why you are sticking to the methods that you are when we don't know how to use it and interpret it. I have tried just personally interpreting what you've put forth for the second straight day. In these games if questions go answered, we have to ask what you are hiding.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 12 2015 16:52 GMT
#1168
EBWOP - That should be "if questions go UNANSWERED...."
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 12 2015 22:01 GMT
#1177
I agree completely.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-13 00:09:41
January 13 2015 00:05 GMT
#1206
GG WP everyone. To my fellow scumteam, you were wonderful.

Geript and Sicklucker, your advice was priceless.
Massive, massive shoutout for taking the time to work with us.
I've learnt a lot to be a better player regardless of alignment.

To the townspeople I helped get lynched, I'm sorry. It's not personal.
I just wanted to be Nina Myers this game, in every sense of the word

For you Rasputin...

Our scumteam theme song was LMFAO's "Shots"
As you'll see written in Scum QT
One shot for every townie nightkilled
Three shots for every townie mislynched
And endgame? Finish the bottle I suppose.



Again, it's true. I was 100% scum this go. But I'm not a horrible person. I swear. GGs.

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The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 13 2015 00:06 GMT
#1207
Tubesock, Damdred, Scott, cheers.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-13 00:11:49
January 13 2015 00:11 GMT
#1214
On January 13 2015 09:09 ExO_ wrote:
Now that the game is over can JarJar admit that he was picking random %s


I work in finance IRL, which is why I tried to dive into the numbers myself. And I couldn't even figure out WTF he was doing.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 13 2015 00:12 GMT
#1215
JJB and Rasputin, GG WP to you too <3
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 13 2015 00:17 GMT
#1230
On January 13 2015 09:10 jarjarbinks wrote:
I think I will never say the word "number" again in this game! Although I definitely will be using them!


I'll tell you one word I don't ever want to hear again: tinfoil hat.

I have never heard that word ever and when Tube started using it I was panicking in our QT because I looked it up and I was still confused as to what he was saying. GG American slang.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 13 2015 00:21 GMT
#1235
On January 13 2015 09:16 Damdred wrote:
Seriously though why wouldn't you guys listen to shining about how there cannot be a medic and a vet in a twelve person game. Especially when newb 12 person games generally only have 2 roles in it, crazy LS didn't talk about this. Medic+vet is way to town favored lol


I'm surprised that no one in my Student Mafia game brought up the Student Mafia example up - only two power roles, closed setup. 100% would have blown Celestial out of the water.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 13 2015 00:47 GMT
#1251
On January 13 2015 09:31 geript wrote:
Also @Kita. I'm going to recommend HalftheSky for Most Impressive Newbie Performance. Essentially no one actually scumread him all game and he was able to push lynches from odd angles. While he wasn't a Mocsta running the show, he in many ways pushed people to decide lynches that were heavily in his favor. Plus, by the end of the game he wasn't in my scumreads despite being a coach.


I'm honoured, thank you...but honestly I'm so glad to have had you two as coaches.

On January 13 2015 09:39 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2015 09:37 sicklucker wrote:
Now you know why the mafia qt was about the size of the game

Hey, I did not post that much in mafia QT. I'd guess that 90% of QT was Half and Celestial talking to each other.


Yea, two of us being the same timezone I think helped with coordination and such, we just kept at it.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-13 00:50:24
January 13 2015 00:48 GMT
#1253
Geript, fantastic, fantastic analysis. I definitely made a few rubbish/useless/contradictory posts, so I'll have to work on that so as not to get annihilated by the vets!
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 13 2015 00:51 GMT
#1256
On January 13 2015 09:47 rsoultin wrote:
also, just putting it out there

the only one who scumread HTS for realz that I recall was LS, so a shoutout to him ^^


100%

I wasn't lurking (his reason for scumreading me) but he felt threatened by me, I could tell.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 13 2015 00:55 GMT
#1258
Could someone give in a few lines what makes a post "memorable?" I always thought it was very subjective but to use it as an argument for lynch...
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-13 13:03:43
January 13 2015 12:52 GMT
#1297
Finally managed to read through the other QTs during lunch...

First, Trfel, cheers. You know how to read people well. WP. Sicklucker called for your head in scum QT D1. I did not agree with it initially but there was enough fear of a Rasputin medic save that we ultimately took his advise. What made you think I was scum? PoE?

Second, <3 you Celestial. I had a load of fun playing alongside you, and I know whilst this game was frustrating, I honestly hope you come back for another, RNG town and have a good time.

In some of the other QTs I'd seen comments on me. One of the coaches had commented (I think it was LoneMeow) they saw multiple red flags but they couldn't figure out whether it was beginner play or if it was because I was scum. I was curious as to what may have stuck out. I know there were some WTF moments N2 on the mechanics debates, but I had trouble grasping those in Carol as well. I tend to overthink those regardless of alignment.

Also in one of the QTs, someone had complained that Tubesock and myself were making comments on coaches. Yikes. If I'd been told in scum QT or in thread, that would have stopped immediately on my end.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-13 15:42:02
January 13 2015 15:40 GMT
#1301
On January 14 2015 00:29 Tubesock wrote:
@HTS I used tinfoil hat theory for stuff that I thought was true but knew it was based on bad reasoning or for something I couldn't explain or convince anyone about. I figured if I threw it out there, people would talk about it and I maybe able to find something.

It started with me thinking LS and Shining were town, both who were largely scumread. In my N1 post I intentionally left -Celestial- outside of the bullet pointed townlist but I didn't have any reasons to scum him really until later. Everyone but Trfel towned him.


Ah, no, no. "Tinfoil hat"...I had mentioned in scum QT to Celestial it was a language barrier. I got even more frustrated after looking it up on Urban Dictionary, it made even less sense. I know what a conspiracy theory is. But not that it was the same as tinfoil hat, much less I understood why it's called "tinfoil hat" until Celestial explained in our QT.

So no, I had no issue with you using conspiracy theories at all, more what it was called.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 15 2015 04:44 GMT
#1307
SL, you tunnelled me in Carol and in NYE Mafia. This is new how?

And Rasputin <3 you. Thanks again for the tips. Someday we'll both RNG into the same scumteam and we'll have a blast together. I can see it
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