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On January 07 2015 01:29 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 01:27 LightningStrike wrote:On January 07 2015 01:18 Tubesock wrote:
-Celestial-
Why is Rsoultin more scummy than Gumdrops, Trfel, Silver, and me? I get why you town ExO so hard, and HTS but not the next 3 on your list? I didn't say Rsoultin was scummy wtf. Tfrel in his pregame gave a excuse that he going to be missing most of Day 1 and I going to see how he does in the Night stage and Day 2. Silver I think she is town she gave some decent explanations for her reads and asking some questions towards ExO although she isn't here because work atm so I fine with her for now. I might be bias towards you because I feeling very guilty of lynching you on Carol but so far I got a green check on you but I guess time for tell for me. HTS opening might be weird for people who not played with her a lot but her opening is similar on how she opened on Carol and Student Mafia IV and she been asking some questions and asking people for reads. I feel people over analzyed her 2nd post as I mentioned that earlier in the thread. Lightning, I was talking to -Celestial-.
Shit my bad I thought you were responding to me in this post.
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On January 07 2015 01:23 Tubesock wrote:
WarWaffle is basically a policy lynch for me.
My leading contenders for votes would be Shining, or JarJar. I like where the questioning by rsoultin and HTS are going concerning Shining and I want more from her/him. JarJar while I think is funny (not to be confused with town) I have the same problems with as I do you Lightning. JarJar has like 2 good posts and the rest is fluff. You at least are trying and posting more so that looks more towny than Jarjar.
Shining is a guy but I do the questioning from HTS and rsoultin onto Shining. JarJar seems to be the lurker type of town I played with on Metal Mini Mafia where one of the players there was a posting nothing bgut songs and wouldn't give reads but yes JarJar does not a lot to be desired but I hope he steps it up today since today we are lynching someone.
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-Celestial- I noticed you ninja'd voting for JarJar can you explain why you voting for him? I just wondering that's all.
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On January 07 2015 01:34 Tubesock wrote:Lightning do you want to discuss my response to you found here: Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 01:23 Tubesock wrote:
WarWaffle is basically a policy lynch for me.
My leading contenders for votes would be Shining, or JarJar. I like where the questioning by rsoultin and HTS are going concerning Shining and I want more from her/him. JarJar while I think is funny (not to be confused with town) I have the same problems with as I do you Lightning. JarJar has like 2 good posts and the rest is fluff. You at least are trying and posting more so that looks more towny than Jarjar. And as far as: Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 01:27 LightningStrike wrote:On January 07 2015 01:18 Tubesock wrote:
-Celestial-
Why is Rsoultin more scummy than Gumdrops, Trfel, Silver, and me? I get why you town ExO so hard, and HTS but not the next 3 on your list? I didn't say Rsoultin was scummy wtf. Tfrel in his pregame gave a excuse that he going to be missing most of Day 1 and I going to see how he does in the Night stage and Day 2. Silver I think she is town she gave some decent explanations for her reads and asking some questions towards ExO although she isn't here because work atm so I fine with her for now. I might be bias towards you because I feeling very guilty of lynching you on Carol but so far I got a green check on you but I guess time for tell for me. HTS opening might be weird for people who not played with her a lot but her opening is similar on how she opened on Carol and Student Mafia IV and she been asking some questions and asking people for reads. I feel people over analzyed her 2nd post as I mentioned that earlier in the thread. I agree with what you're saying.
Ya I responded to the wrong post the first time but I gave you what I thought of your post just above your's.
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On January 07 2015 01:38 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 01:32 LightningStrike wrote:On January 07 2015 01:23 Tubesock wrote:
WarWaffle is basically a policy lynch for me.
My leading contenders for votes would be Shining, or JarJar. I like where the questioning by rsoultin and HTS are going concerning Shining and I want more from her/him. JarJar while I think is funny (not to be confused with town) I have the same problems with as I do you Lightning. JarJar has like 2 good posts and the rest is fluff. You at least are trying and posting more so that looks more towny than Jarjar. Shining is a guy but I do the questioning from HTS and rsoultin onto Shining. JarJar seems to be the lurker type of town I played with on Metal Mini Mafia where one of the players there was a posting nothing bgut songs and wouldn't give reads but yes JarJar does not a lot to be desired but I hope he steps it up today since today we are lynching someone. Coagulation was different. The way I read his play he was posting songs in ways to answer questions. When he found something important to talk about he stopped. It's like Liancourt in Carol with his annoying spoiler comments. JarJar is posting less (although so is EVERYONE) and so far I only see maybe 2 posts with anything in them. Although, depending on how he responds to calling me out on his suspicion of me for my "inactive" vote that may change. Hopefully, he has some good arguments or something.
Ya I hope JarJar steps it up today if he's town and waiting for his post because he said earlier he going rewrite a large post he had.
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I just saw it Celestial so fair enough. I still waiting for JarJar to do a rewrite of a large post he had since he said he was doing that earlier that's all for me on JarJar.
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On January 07 2015 02:04 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 01:56 -Celestial- wrote:On January 07 2015 01:51 Tubesock wrote:On January 07 2015 01:43 -Celestial- wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Ok I've taken the time myself to read over the evidence that LS presented and...actually its pretty convincing. Although I think meta reads, especially based on just one game, can easily be manipulated he IS playing this very similar to the way he has in the past and it IS from three separate games so...yeah well done there.
I can't in good faith vote LS anymore. His playstyle is just too consistent between townie games there and it has severely shaken my confidence on it. I don't really know playstyles very well of course but those links were fairly convincing. Of course LS could be deliberately selecting evidence but it doesn't feel like that, it feels more like a genuine attempt at convincing. Not a D1 lynch for me anymore.
I'm going to take a chance and remove my vote from there and put it on someone else. Its between WW, Shining and jarjar for me, as per my reads earlier. I agree with Tube, WW isn't the best candidate. His opening post was weak and he's said nothing since then but that isn't enough for me to lynch him at this early stage. I'd like to see more from Shining before I could put a vote down there. So I guess I'm going with jarjar for now since I have to vote for SOMEONE and frankly I really don't like his posting at all, it looks really scummy; was also the second highest read on my list so...
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##Vote: jarjarbinks
On January 07 2015 01:18 Tubesock wrote:
-Celestial-
Why is Rsoultin more scummy than Gumdrops, Trfel, Silver, and me? I get why you town ExO so hard, and HTS but not the next 3 on your list? I think I'm still somewhat tainted by rsoultin's original impression on me. I really, really didn't like what appeared to be bluehunting (the reasoning for which I posted a little while back, I can quote it if you like). Though she has improved somewhat since that I'm still wary. Gumdrops I've just flat out not seen enough from to make much of a judgement call. Same with Trfel. But both of them posted something that appeared to be reasonably thought out so slight leanings towards town. Trfel also stated in advance he wouldn't be around for a bit and Gumdrops just seems awkward about posting. I can't condemn either of them to scum for that. Silver I have literally no idea about, as I posted. I'd appreciate anyone else's thoughts because to me it just appears to be a mix. You didn't start great which is why I leaned you towards scum, but I didn't find your opening to be as scummy as rsoultins was and you've both improved in my eyes to the point where you're both back to neutral. But since rsoultin started off with slightly more damning posts you're slightly more in the townie direction than she is. Ah, I see our differences. I tend to disregard to some extent a person's first few posts. You appear to keep an even weighting on all of them. I do want to point out that you had 3-4 posts that were just about rsoultin's gender, or SC2 mafia or whatever. If I said them I think you would have scummed me even worse. Yet, I really only had the 1 post you didn't like, and it still pertained to the current game. But anyway, I do think you're town even if we don't agree on your town reads so much although we do agree on the scums. You make a fair point; but in defence of my reads I'm trying to disregard anything that doesn't actually pertain to the game itself (so off topic stuff I don't really look at unless its ALL there is). In your case I posted earlier why I didn't like your opening post and then you disappeared kinda so I didn't have a lot to go on and at that very early point it was very suspicious to me. Since then, of course, you've posted a lot more on-topic stuff which has helped a lot.  This is another area where we differ. I think the off topic stuff is scummy. Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 01:55 Half the Sky wrote:On January 07 2015 01:43 -Celestial- wrote:
Silver I have literally no idea about, as I posted. I'd appreciate anyone else's thoughts because to me it just appears to be a mix. I don't understand a couple of her reads, her progression on Waffle from a substantive part (the lurking is obvious), and I don't understand why she's scumreading Rasputin or why she isn't answering Rasputin's question, not from what I can tell anyhow. I don't know if it's because she's new or if she has something to hide. I'm curious how she is going to vote and what reasons she cites (assuming she doesn't ninja).
She didn't ninja vote she posted why she voting for WarWaffle earlier on Page 17 I think the page number was you could look through her filter by clicking a link to her filter at the OP.
Also to be fair about -Celestial-'s off topic stuff someone said he looked like he played a lot of mafia so he responded that he played SC2 Mafia and I kind of brought it off topic to him so my fault there.
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On January 07 2015 02:14 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 02:12 LightningStrike wrote:On January 07 2015 02:04 Tubesock wrote:On January 07 2015 01:56 -Celestial- wrote:On January 07 2015 01:51 Tubesock wrote:On January 07 2015 01:43 -Celestial- wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Ok I've taken the time myself to read over the evidence that LS presented and...actually its pretty convincing. Although I think meta reads, especially based on just one game, can easily be manipulated he IS playing this very similar to the way he has in the past and it IS from three separate games so...yeah well done there.
I can't in good faith vote LS anymore. His playstyle is just too consistent between townie games there and it has severely shaken my confidence on it. I don't really know playstyles very well of course but those links were fairly convincing. Of course LS could be deliberately selecting evidence but it doesn't feel like that, it feels more like a genuine attempt at convincing. Not a D1 lynch for me anymore.
I'm going to take a chance and remove my vote from there and put it on someone else. Its between WW, Shining and jarjar for me, as per my reads earlier. I agree with Tube, WW isn't the best candidate. His opening post was weak and he's said nothing since then but that isn't enough for me to lynch him at this early stage. I'd like to see more from Shining before I could put a vote down there. So I guess I'm going with jarjar for now since I have to vote for SOMEONE and frankly I really don't like his posting at all, it looks really scummy; was also the second highest read on my list so...
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On January 07 2015 01:18 Tubesock wrote:
-Celestial-
Why is Rsoultin more scummy than Gumdrops, Trfel, Silver, and me? I get why you town ExO so hard, and HTS but not the next 3 on your list? I think I'm still somewhat tainted by rsoultin's original impression on me. I really, really didn't like what appeared to be bluehunting (the reasoning for which I posted a little while back, I can quote it if you like). Though she has improved somewhat since that I'm still wary. Gumdrops I've just flat out not seen enough from to make much of a judgement call. Same with Trfel. But both of them posted something that appeared to be reasonably thought out so slight leanings towards town. Trfel also stated in advance he wouldn't be around for a bit and Gumdrops just seems awkward about posting. I can't condemn either of them to scum for that. Silver I have literally no idea about, as I posted. I'd appreciate anyone else's thoughts because to me it just appears to be a mix. You didn't start great which is why I leaned you towards scum, but I didn't find your opening to be as scummy as rsoultins was and you've both improved in my eyes to the point where you're both back to neutral. But since rsoultin started off with slightly more damning posts you're slightly more in the townie direction than she is. Ah, I see our differences. I tend to disregard to some extent a person's first few posts. You appear to keep an even weighting on all of them. I do want to point out that you had 3-4 posts that were just about rsoultin's gender, or SC2 mafia or whatever. If I said them I think you would have scummed me even worse. Yet, I really only had the 1 post you didn't like, and it still pertained to the current game. But anyway, I do think you're town even if we don't agree on your town reads so much although we do agree on the scums. You make a fair point; but in defence of my reads I'm trying to disregard anything that doesn't actually pertain to the game itself (so off topic stuff I don't really look at unless its ALL there is). In your case I posted earlier why I didn't like your opening post and then you disappeared kinda so I didn't have a lot to go on and at that very early point it was very suspicious to me. Since then, of course, you've posted a lot more on-topic stuff which has helped a lot. This is another area where we differ. I think the off topic stuff is scummy. On January 07 2015 01:55 Half the Sky wrote:On January 07 2015 01:43 -Celestial- wrote:
Silver I have literally no idea about, as I posted. I'd appreciate anyone else's thoughts because to me it just appears to be a mix. I don't understand a couple of her reads, her progression on Waffle from a substantive part (the lurking is obvious), and I don't understand why she's scumreading Rasputin or why she isn't answering Rasputin's question, not from what I can tell anyhow. I don't know if it's because she's new or if she has something to hide. I'm curious how she is going to vote and what reasons she cites (assuming she doesn't ninja). She didn't ninja vote she posted why she voting for WarWaffle earlier on Page 17 I think the page number was you could look through her filter by clicking a link to her filter at the OP. Also to be fair about -Celestial-'s off topic stuff someone said he looked like he played a lot of mafia so he responded that he played SC2 Mafia and I kind of brought it off topic to him so my fault there. I said, I want to know what she is GOING to vote. My point about -Celestial- is I think it's hypocritical to scum me for 1 post where I talk about policy or whatever and then he has 3 or 4 which have nothing to do with the game. I refuse to believe I wouldn't be scummed for that shit, but it's ok for him and the ones he was talking to. I already said I town read him so far, so clearly that means I'm not placing much weight on it in my read of him.
She voting for TheWarWaffle atm as seen here
On January 06 2015 23:52 Silverarte wrote:
Alright! So no real chance to be able to vote after I head to work....so...here goes. (I'll throw questions at everyone after work)
@LS My personal personality alignment just isn't Chaotic enough!
ExO, I'm still curious on but I'm aware I'm in here too early to get the responses to my questions. I'm not voting you because you've had some great posts so far and I look forward to more.
Rereading everything so far (in what I missed and what's been said), Gumdrop did step up to give an explanation of his (or her!) thoughts at this point. I'm still suspicious because of how long it took, but honestly, you're as new as me so I totally get it. (Til next round. >D)
As far as my vote, rereading (and being convinced by several other player points), my vote is going to Waffle. I doublechecked the posts to validate what was being said, and it's true that there is a lot of lurking going on with only substance in the beginning given after prodding.
##Vote: TheWarWaffle
What you make of her reasoning for voting TheWarWaffle?
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It's lunch atm for 3th of the USA but I would expect more activity atm :|
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JarJar please read the link I posted on this page so you can see my scum play. Notice my filter was really small and I wasn't as active and was very timid?
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I'm Vanilla Town this game I wish I was a Cop to redeem myself from Campus Mafia 
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On January 07 2015 05:21 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 05:12 LightningStrike wrote:I'm Vanilla Town this game I wish I was a Cop to redeem myself from Campus Mafia Why are you claiming? Don't make it easier for the mafia to kill power roles. You should know better than that.
Because ExO and Tube pretty much asked me to claim.
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On January 07 2015 05:25 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 05:20 ExO_ wrote:On January 07 2015 05:11 Tubesock wrote:On January 07 2015 05:07 ExO_ wrote:On January 07 2015 04:50 -Celestial- wrote:On January 07 2015 04:28 Tubesock wrote:
HTS, I know you're waiting on some responses to your questions from others, but do you have a D1 lynch list?
I'm starting to get worried that with such little activity, and so many who still need to vote, that people are going to be doing bullshit shenanies at EoD.
Do you have lynch targets outside of Shining, JarJar, and Warwaffle?
I don't think so. I think that's basically the list at this point. Personally I think its a pretty reasonable list for the stage we're at too. @ExO_: What are your thoughts on LS (and others) pointing out he's played exactly the same way when he's been town on several previous occasions? I've been somewhat persuaded by that enough to conclude that for now I don't think he's the best D1 lynch. I mean I'm still not won over to make him town, but ideally we're looking for a D1 mafia lynch and I don't think he's the one to guarantee it. Correct me if I'm wrong but is there any example of his mafia play? If there isn't any evidence to show that he'd act differently as scum, then I think the town-meta-read on him is garbage. And even if there is, his play here in this game seems scummish to me. It doesn't matter if in a previous game similar play from him was town. It might if I was on the fence with him, but I'm not. Which is why I think he IS the day 1 mafia lynch. I think he's trying to be active enough so that we have to say "He's a bad day 1 lynch." Compared to the other candidates (Shining/JarJar/WW) I think he's the best bet. I believe it strongly enough that I'm not willing to concede the vote for now, subsequently voting for one of the others. If he hardclaims, are you going to ignore it? It gets a lot harder then. If he is mafia (as I suspect) then he'll have nothing to lose by claiming a blue role. It'll depend on if he claims blue, and what specific blue role he claims. I won't ignore it, but will make a decision when I see what he says. It's moot now. He claimed VT so we lynch him now at worst we lynch a vt. I think he's 4th on my list though. I really really want WarWaffle to come back.
I could of said the same thing about sicklucker in Carol.
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Lynch me now and scum gets 1 step closer to winning the game (shrugs) Feel free to let scum win I guess?
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I did this sort of play Campus Mafia what's wrong with that?
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Also I did hard claim VT in Metal early too under pressure.....
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I'm sorry I been off and on but now I'm here to tell you yes I know my reads had changed and got little progression on why which partly my fault for not explaining my stuff good. I can understand the players here who never played me on scum reading me and I did claim my role but I think TheWarWaffle is our best lynch for now since he had not posted anything since the post he analyzed and his opening posts were questionable in my opinion. Also he never resonded to our questions to him after the HTS post he analyzed.
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On January 07 2015 07:06 Trfel wrote:
I guess I don't like lynching TheWarWaffle, LightningStrike, or The Shining. Yay. Not super convinced that any of them are scum.
So I suppose that I prefer a lynch on The Shining over the other two, since The Shining has been reasonably inactive, despite constantly saying he will play more. I like some of the points rsoultin brought up (primarily the constant references to posting more soon... I get it the first time, or the second time, but now it seems like stalling to try and avoid getting lynched... kind of mad that I didn't notice that for myself). The other reason to vote The Shining is to sheep Half the Sky and rsoultin. From my experience, both are very good players, and they think that The Shining is mafia. They have also kept up with the thread better than I have.
I realize that the timing of this vote switch seems really bad. I am still suspicious of LightningStrike, and am perfectly fine to explain why I voted for him in the first place. The primary explanation is that I wanted somewhere to place my vote, in case something happened and I didn't end up moving it by the deadline (I know that I am town, so I will take a ~25% chance of lynching scum over a 100% chance of a town!Trfel being modkilled, and a vote is easy to move). The reason I voted for LightningStrike is because he asked a lot of generic questions ("Hey you, what are your reads, with explanations please"). I don't remember him doing much questioning in the past, but I could be wrong. Still, asking primarily generic questions makes it seem even more like he is trying to appear useful while really doing nothing. In addition, he likes to use pretty fast meta reads, and didn't provide reads on any of the people he has played with before for quite some time. I feel that it was longer than I am used to.
Anyway, those are my thoughts at the moment. I'm switching votes to The Shining. Meanwhile, I will start looking into other lynch options (open to suggestions), and will be waiting for feedback and pushes.
I asked a lot of generic questions on Carol and on Metal Mini so it just your memory failing you. In my large post I did give my meta reads on some of the players I played with but I forgot you weren't going to be here for most of Day 1 but I got you town for now.
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A claim might help you TheWarWaffle. What role are you?
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