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If too many players then cut me like rgIII | ||
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I would be down to start tonight, which would be like 11 hours from this post | ||
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On December 31 2014 16:10 sicklucker wrote: Its weird because its either a. scummy because of why I just said b. A way to find a town for people who have played with him alot and know he does this. Can we kill ritoky so far hes attacked doctor and missed the sarcasm and now this. sicklucker can you explain what the issue is with ritoky attacking doctor? you have a huge town read on doctor at that point? | ||
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what I don't like is content of the case itself. You do repeat yourself a lot and that makes it hard to break down but essentially you don't like his reasons for "attacking" eden. The way I read the interaction is that he made his post where he didn't give a read and then you pushed him to give a read of his own and he had "my scumread is eden" for a few reasons..I agree they aren't very conclusive reasons. He says then that his read isn't conclusive just at that early moment in the game he has a slight scum read. Nothing wrong with that. His vote on you is a joke about garbage votes. So at this stage in the game you have a huge mafia post which due to a lack of real reasons ends up with a lot of repetition. Again I applaud the effort but I don't think chyz is scummy. Especially for the reasons you gave. | ||
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On December 31 2014 20:22 Koshi wrote: ##Vote: DoctorHelvetica Reason: He is attacking me with a lie. Lynch all liars. Misrepresenting that I have 1 read when I have given my opinion on 4 people. I don't need that in this town. in his defence you did give two people as meh. chyz was town and who else did you give a read on? | ||
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On December 31 2014 20:29 KelsierSC wrote: in his defence you did give two people as meh. chyz was town and who else did you give a read on? I suppose you do sort of call eden scummy when you say "I agree with chyz" I don't think DRH had an unreasonable statement , on first glance you only have one real read. if you don't count meh as a read. I read DRH as super eager , try hard town. | ||
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On December 31 2014 14:20 geript wrote: I really wish Marv, Palmer, Koshi and Artanis were around. Basically saying, I don't want to participate, I want these people to be here so I can call them town! Note he proceeds to call Koshi town almost immediately when he enters the thread. On December 31 2014 18:33 geript wrote: <3 I feel a lot better that you feel the same way. When you get back let me know what you think of ritoky and Chyz. Did Koshi give a spectacular bit of insight? I don't think so. Then he makes a post where DrH isn't alignement indicative (apparently) On December 31 2014 15:44 geript wrote: By shut it down, I mean shut down any further discussion on useless policy. Nobody needs to find policy to find discussion. The problem with your "townread" is that your reasons for finding him town are complete bullshit. That post is a throwaway post that I could recite to newbies to "get discussion going" as either alignment and potentially useful dependent on how it's driven and moved (even moreso to scum imo not that it matters). There actually were things to be talked about in the thread already (my townread on Damdred, the ??? on sicklucker who IIRC also made a passing townread on Damdred, Robik not posting anything while making a few posts, etc.). It's odd that you comment that his post was stiff and awkwardly timed, two bad reasons that people's posts are often called scummy for and then settle on a bad reason to call him town for it. As for meta reads, what type of meta reads do you expect will lead to any sort of meaningful read off of policy discussion? but then he goes on to call drH town for On December 31 2014 17:22 geript wrote: Also mental note: DrH is probably town. On December 31 2014 17:26 geript wrote: Lol. You probably wouldn't like the reasons for the read.  What the fuck is this, why not give the reasons. It just looks like an attempt to buddy up. he also does the same thing with chyz On December 31 2014 17:17 geript wrote: Mental note: Chyz maybe newb town. and he also calls Dam town in the bigger post "my town read on damdred" I see no evidence for that, you just highlight something and say "mental note for later" I still don't know who his mafia reads are. His play so far has been whining about statistics , trying to buddy everyone who joins the thread and then waiting for certain players to enter the thread so he can immediately call them town. | ||
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Ritoky and DrH specifically. | ||
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On January 01 2015 01:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I dunno what to think about Dr. Helvetica, probably leaning town because people with a critical mass of words tend to be town, and I agree with him on Chyz being suspect though that might be my own bias as documented before. I've already given my read on Ritoky. All I remember from him is a ridiculous USA USA USA campaign in Cell. He seems like a spazzy player. Need more info to discern between him going after someone for the sake of it or if there's method to the madness. ok I like that read you gave on DrH that feels towny. | ||
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So I asked the two of them some questions and I quite like the read that Artanis gave on DrH that felt towny to me. But when I asked Lazer questions he basically didn't have any reads on eden, DrH or rit. This is apparently a scummy thing because he reads the chyz as scum for not immediately having strong reads at that stage of the game. We need to move on from chyz at the moment because this reason for pushing him is poor. He stopped rit and DrH having their dick measuring, that felt fine. Then when he got forced to give reads (by DrH) he gave some but he wasn't like "this guy is scum, lynch" and then DrH feels like he was being hypocritical...I don't see how, nowhere did chyz give the impression he was giving a strong read. When Lazer entered the thread he gave these reads On January 01 2015 00:30 Lazermonkey wrote: Hi everyone Because of NYE, I will only be able to be active for a few hours today. Tomorrow I'll have more time though. Chyz looks scummy. Though I do think people are attacking him for the wrong reasons. The discussion between DH and rikoty WAS stupid. But if you look at Chyz opening post, he doesn't give any actual opinion about the players involved other than that rikoty should move on. Nowhere does he speak about their alignment. Chyz doesn't follow up with anything at all untill he is called out. Why is it that he the first thing that he felt he had to post was that people was on the wrong track, instead of actually trying give some of his own opinion? This is scum mentality. ##Vote: TheChyz which is just a copy of the thread mentality and what people had said, again I think the case is bad so supporting it is bad to me. Then he gives a read on Robik, which is like the most pointless read at this stage of the game "hey robik said hi then left, he is a bit scummy" ... yeh but what is the point of that read. Then he gave his 3 reads eventually on eden etc. I didn't think much of the reads at all, they seem very contrived. So in conclusion, jumps into thread and sheeps the thread opinion, ( a bad case on chezy ) , has no good reads at all. I think one of artanis/lazer is scummy and I think it is Lazer | ||
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On January 01 2015 03:32 sicklucker wrote: I just thought it was useless like everyone else. Also ritoky did it for very bad reasons when there was actually some ok reasons You think that is a good reason to lynch him then? | ||
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On January 01 2015 03:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I skimmed a lot of posts in this thread because I am currently only concerned about tunneling TheChyz. I'll read all that stuff later when I'm ready to think about it. lol | ||
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As far as I'm aware chyz initially had a town read I koshi but then he thought about it more and analysed his play and then didn't like koshi anymore. Changing your mind is mafia now? | ||
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That read seems really fabricated, chyz explains why he changed his mind and you say he only did it to get town points....i don't see how he knows it gets him town points, is it his fault Eden reads him town as a result. In fact it has proved the opposite. All the cases seem weak and you trying to push a weak case is scummy. You said something like "I would vote on chyz if drh wasn't pushing it" so you are giving yourself a way out already. I dont know what saying that even means. Plus, no traps | ||
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Right now my scum are geript, lazer and bats. My town is dam,drh,artanic[xp] and | ||
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I'm aight though. Guna catch up on the thread now, I see rit did a list post | ||
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On January 01 2015 23:57 Lazermonkey wrote: Hi again. I realize that I kinda sucked yesterday. Got way to tunnely on Chyz. I will try to reread some things and reevaluate my thoughts as best as I can. As for the "case" on me, I think its pretty weak + I will have some time to post today so I don't fear too much for my death. Won't really bother to defend myself right now but I'd rather focus on trying to get a hang on the game and figure out who I think is the best lynch! "this is what I should say to appear town" To me this sounds just like, if I defend myself I look scum, so im just going to act like ibwant to scum hunt. Really forced and formulaic statement. Also if you admit you sucked yesterday then how can the case on you be weak? Explain why the case is weak | ||
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I would lynch bats aswell, what do you think of my case? | ||
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On January 02 2015 02:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Wonder how good the odds are that still no one will evem read all this I read the case, I don't like it at all. move on now | ||
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On January 02 2015 02:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I won't give it to you then. If I'm being told that I need to put in less effort to get listened to then I may as well out. @kelsier. No intention of doing that. alright man the thing is this. You had your reads and your case and it felt like you believed what you were saying. Then you posted a lot of confirmation bias which to me still felt town. Like anyone who agreed chyz was scummy you had as town (lazer). And anything chyz posted was mafia to you. Again you felt super tunneled but it still felt believable and towny. You need to give me other stuff. Just saying "I don't like X" and tunnelling all day is really not pro town. geript or lazer should be the lynch but we can lynch bats too when other people read my case | ||
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On January 02 2015 02:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Refute my second case along with the meta read. You didn't even read it. I did read the second case, I just don't agree with any of it. I don't think chyz did anything overly scummy and there is a lot of confirmation bias. You have these gigantic walls of text about chyz but to me you just find everything he has said and then extrapolate it to make him mafia | ||
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On January 02 2015 02:32 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm not super impressed by marvs play this fair but TBH I don't have a strong read on him nor do I prioritize getting a better read on him atm. My point still stands though, I'm not willing to kill the strongest player because he is playing bad/is inactive D1. cool so who do you want to kill? | ||
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On January 02 2015 02:39 Damdred wrote: I've read your case DrH, Part one of your case and part three are pretty weak. Part three I think is the weakest because it is a flawed meta read comparing a game that is over a year old with a game that is current, He doesn't even have a ton of games posted on this site so its really hard for me to give credence to such a meta read, newbies change their meta and since its been a year since he last played here it is logical to think that his play would of changed or that he has rust and is getting back in it. So part three doesn't make him mafia I think. Part one, I just don't think it makes him mafia. Townies can be really guilty of that as time goes along and it was really early in the game at that point. Part two is probably your strongest point and it isn't really that bad, more time has passed in the thread and there is plenty of context. Question as i'm reading through it are you just trying to compare two lower activity players in lazzer and chy? It feels a bit out of place in the case and threw me off a bit. Besides that it does read like he is seeking approval and the lie you caught him in looks bad i will give you that. You put a good bit of work in but i'm just not sure if that makes him mafia necessarily. what lie did he catch, tell me in 15 seconds or you are scum | ||
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On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica a | ||
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On January 02 2015 02:42 Damdred wrote: Where he said he was ok with Dr h but previously he was voting him etc., it very much could be catching in a lie meh I read that as more frustration with DrH tunneling on him and having garbage reads. In fact he prefaces it, as such. On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica seems more like a joke to me | ||
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On January 02 2015 02:46 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm having doubts about Chyz as well. I do think his play is bad and I don't agree with almost anything he has said this fair. But I'm not sure that makes him scum. He could just as well be bad town. I don't disagree with your case DH in the sense that I think all of Chyz plays are wierd and/or bad but can you explain his actions from a scum PoV? If something doesn't make sense from a town PoV but also doesn't make sense as scum, I don't think its a good reason to lynch someone for. Granted, I would not be super sad if Chyz got lynched today. I do think he is a better lynch than say Robik. But I think geript is a much better lynch for today. ##Unvote ##Vote: geript ![[image loading]](https://38.media.tumblr.com/c53141040068aab8d8321ce6bc50bdcf/tumblr_n2pwqoqf4y1r6aoq4o1_400.gif) | ||
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##vote geript | ||
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Koshi town Viv scum. | ||
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I have read your cases. First case I weak. Second case is confirmation bias. Third os a bad meta read that people.hsve told you is bad. You just throw these giant walls of text with no real case against 1 guy. Look at you filter how can there realisticaly. E that much evidence against chyz who hasn't made that many posts. You are just looking at everything he does and trying to make.it mafia. Please just stop insulting and bitching at everyone who doesn't agree with you | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also can someone explain to me why everyone's suddenly moving off Geript? Are they? I'm still about that life | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:34 IAmRobik wrote: Can we lynch GB? He's worse than I am this game Lol | ||
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Here is how I read it. 1) chyz is annoyed with you and votes you 2) before going to bed he started to.consider you are scum and made his, dr hnis scum.post 3) he comes back.next day and explains the initial.votr on you wasn't serious but his post after that were he suspects you was more serious I dont see anything scummy about that tbh | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:53 GlowingBear wrote: Filter length is alignment indicative for marv. Even he admitted it on Russia Today. You were ther, dude. He had 11 pages of filter. He has 3 here. This not being discussed goes towards the scenario where marv is mafia. I can't believe in a world where scum wouldn't pick this up and try to get marv lynched day one. It means a lot. That's a really great point | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote: He wasn't just annoyed. His language is clearly a scumread. He says I am really scummy. He sayd basically DAE think drh scum? Then goes to bed, comes back said he was fine with me the whole.time.and fine with my scumhunting. However, yesterday he was calling me really scummy and saying i only post fluff. Then he goes on to say i still seem scummy and am spamming. He implies scum intentions. Then he says later that he went to bed thinking i was scum.and woke up thinking i was town. But what he had said before is that he went to bed thinking i was town (why call someone really scummy and look for vote support if you have a townread) and woke up thinking im scummy. Also he omgusd other people like 3 or 4 times then martyr himself.....bullshit case on lm too Well we interpret his language differently. his first vote on you when he says "here is a garbage read" that just sounds like him being pissed off. Again I don't see him lying. He thought you were dumb town then considered you scum. He explained that next day. I quite like the lm case it is kind of sheep ing my case but I'm really smart so that is understandable. If he wants to suicide this game I have total empathy | ||
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Koshi.made an awesome casse against vivax framing chyz "why is he defeated easily" or something like.thst. Plus.koshinhad other reasons | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:06 Vivax wrote: Are you drunk? I still don't know what Koshi meant there with me being scum cause I wondered why Chyz tilted so quickly, maybe you can clear that up. On my phone and had a few Yeh just read koshi's case on you with that framin post it is a great read. | ||
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So basically drh being 100% aids this game has sort of.worked because the people behind his case and sort of sheepibg the reads have to be scum because no one.is that dumb right, except protoss players.hueueu So like lm,Viv,bats are scum and my geript case was awesome early and palmd had a god tier post on him | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:16 justanothertownie wrote: I made that point ages before GB did and GB knows very well that we aren't lynching marv right now. You are in my club too don't worry Do you want to.lynch Gb? I like him | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:17 sicklucker wrote: I also made this point and its a really bad point because its new years god dammit. You are mad because you aren't in my club | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:19 justanothertownie wrote: He has done nothing this game. Literally nothing. What is there to like about him? I liked the marv post I guess, it felt like he believed it. I dunno you really think hr is good lynch? | ||
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Nah I'm bad at this. Not the club leader I just want to protect people.in my club | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:23 justanothertownie wrote: No. But he could very well be scum. Aight aight Maybe it was because Gb hadn't posted that much but I didn't realise other people said the same thing. Drh has posted a Lot and focusing becomes rough | ||
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If he has read most.of them as town he is probably scum | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:39 sicklucker wrote: Confirming players is really important. Especially town leaders and hard to read players. Its like a really good reason to not vote vivax yet. I think the vivax lynch over the other is kinda dumb atm. THE MAIN REASON PEOPLE ARE SCUM READING VIVAX IS BECAUSE HES ALIGNED GERIT? if im missing something on this please explain. Also isint vivax likely town if gerit flips mafia or do you guys think hes trying to level that? Probably best to wait to see flip before discussing the flip. Show some respect. | ||
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Geript or LM or Viv. Koshi is to Thank for the god tier Viv read. Basically you can also.vote anyone who voyes on chyz except drh | ||
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Dont waste your vote. | ||
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Happy with my vote. I was the first to make a tea case on geript , palmar made a good case, drh is making sense now. Good times. GL with the flip | ||
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SL "my 4 town reads voted him" On January 02 2015 13:26 Damdred wrote: I have a feeling this is batsnacks scum game, it looks like ffl2 to me honestly SL I would lynch immediately. | ||
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On January 02 2015 22:36 marvellosity wrote: that in no way makes sl mafia though. re: eden. I like that he got stuck back in quite soon after the lynch being productive. i think he looks fine. I haven't made a full case on SL, but his reason for switching to bats is absolutely awful. I will make a big post on SL being scum tonight, going through his filter it is painfully bad. | ||
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1) he scum reads geript but there is nothing original in it, but then before the flip even happens he starts talking about who this flip is going to clear, like he knows geript will flip scum and immediately wants to get credit for it. why is so quick to clear other people and try to clear himself rather than find scum. 2) despite having, in his mind, a strong read on geript he decides to just switch onto bats because "my town reads did it" his town reads are pretty bad, more on that later. why would you trust other peoples reads over your own. This is an awful reason. 3) he wants to give dam a really easy town read , first thing he does is town read dam immediately for making a joke at the start. That is a good reason to switch off your scum read in that close a situation? 4) This is a common mafia trick but he overstated his impact "I had a strong first 24 hours". Sorry SL but no you didn't. I will add quotes etc later. | ||
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On January 02 2015 22:53 marvellosity wrote: no, because I reserve my really high percentages for when i'm super sure, because i want people to know they can trust my super high percentages. but you are very likely to be town. kelsier: actually i find 4) comes from town more usually than mafia. Palmar does it as town all the time for instance :p I just don't see how SL can actually think he had a strong first 24 hours so it just looks like bullshitting to me. Plus I do it as mafia so. The rest of the points though? | ||
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On January 02 2015 22:56 marvellosity wrote: 1 and 2 aren't particularly scum indicative. you need to explain 3) a bit better. for realz? Alright.... as for 3 he gives dam a town read at the start because Dam made a joke. Looks like a contrived easy town read that is mafia indicative. He even thinks this read is a good enough basis to switch from his own scum read (geript) onto bats. | ||
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SL Geript Dam Viv ...someone good Robik maybe, eden maybe | ||
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On January 02 2015 23:03 marvellosity wrote: meh, maybe? the last sentence is a bit of a reach though. i really think moving on to a wagon of someone you don't have a townread on because a bunch of townreads are on it is not a scummy thing per se. i mean if geript is town isn't there very little point moving to bat when you've been on geript a lot of the day, and therefore isn't your read on sl conditional on geript being mafia? yeh i already said i think geript is scum, like start of day | ||
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On January 02 2015 23:11 marvellosity wrote: fine, but you said "we should lynch sl immediately" when it seems at least partly to be a conditional read of yours, so from your perspective it should make sense to lynch geript immediately. Either way works for me but yeh geript first makes the most sense. | ||
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On January 02 2015 23:37 marvellosity wrote: i'm going to pretend that somewhere between 14:31 and 14:32 I made this sexy ass point that only Kelsier can see. Lol So how does the mafia kp work.this game? I.cant find it in rules | ||
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On January 02 2015 23:42 marvellosity wrote: seems to be 1KP + a vigi How do you know? | ||
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On January 02 2015 23:45 marvellosity wrote: slam seemed to finalise what the roleset was in the thread, if you read his filter. it's not 100% clear but it looks like that's how it went. Alright cool.guy, you win this round. | ||
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geript SL Dam Viv ... Then I'm not sure who else | ||
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Jat is ok , artanis felt ok, ve seems aight so far. | ||
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On January 03 2015 03:04 Vivax wrote: Talking about misrepresentation, JAT? How's this then. ugh ... you bolded to early. | ||
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On January 03 2015 03:08 Koshi wrote: Well. He has a point about the misrepresenting thing. he really doesnt | ||
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1) Sicklucker has a strong scum read on geript throughout most of day 1. Nothing original in the reads though. You can see in his filter most of it is just a geript is scum. He is scum for an early read on me etc. What is striking about SL's play is that he doesn't really want to find scum he just wants to clear people and get himself cleared. This strikes me as scummy play. On January 02 2015 07:28 sicklucker wrote: Id be cleared too hum... Think id be down with this hes my #2 atm anyway On January 02 2015 10:29 sicklucker wrote: Well when geript flips mafia (hes going too) Everyone can sheep palmer and artanis to their hearts content. Ill also be pretty confirmed and a few others maybe too. 2) SL has his only real scum read as geript. Most of the day that is his push. Then this. On January 02 2015 13:25 sicklucker wrote: Ok we can kill bats screw it. On January 02 2015 13:29 sicklucker wrote: I mean my 4 strongest town reads just voted bats. So ya im down ##vote bats I don't know all 4 of his strongest town. But giving up your only real read to just "screw it" and vote someone else. This just looks like a shitty reason to jump onto the bats wagon. 3) He town reads dam for like the dumbest reason I can think of. On December 31 2014 14:46 sicklucker wrote: No ive played as mafia with dandred and I dont think he has the balls to make a joke like that. This is really early in the game, I think even dam would admit he has no reason to be read town this game but SL is happy to give up his "top scum" read and follow dam because he made some joke start of d1? Again easy town read for no real reason and using this to justify jumping onto bats. 4) People may disagree with me here but SL has continuously overstated his importance in this game and tried to make his contribution seem more than it is. This is a scum tactic to me, false confidence and arrogance. On January 02 2015 09:00 sicklucker wrote: So like I had a really strong first 24 hours. Now im hungover and being bad so ignore me for today plz and stop scum reading me because you didnt read my first 24 hours. On January 02 2015 10:03 sicklucker wrote: Im the only one who brought this up free town read? On December 31 2014 17:27 sicklucker wrote: So ritoky im more townie then in a previous game why dont you come out and say im town rather then "I dont know what to make of it yet" Yeh | ||
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On January 03 2015 03:18 Damdred wrote: Ok i've went over the games of superbia, the two newbie games, fanfic and two mafia games ffl2 and 2p2. (And ate some yummy chinese) My initial premise is incorrect when I go over the other games. After some consideration I decided to throw out ffl2 for a couple of reasons, it was not normal for superbia in the sense that he replaced in during the night phase of d1 after batsnacks had gotten lynched for being unrememberable and a few other things (bats was scum here) and had a good many pages to catch up on. Rayn got killed during the night and robik and myself got mod killed (I was mafia) so super really did not have time to spam up the game in any way. In the newbie games and fanfic it was about the same length, mostly consisting on one liners and some insightful thoughts. Usually came out to 3 pages or so a day besides the 2nd newbie where he averaged 4 pages or so. Which is right in line with his town play but always put his thoughs out their from what i read. I did notice that even in the game i think isn't good for analysis amount of posts that super likes to bus a bit and make list posts that generally are scum reading all the team mates so if we lynch superbia at any point and he flips scum ritoky is a good place to look, but now isn't the time for associative reads. The other thing was that besides ffl2 the posting was about on the same pace as the town games but mostly going with the flow. Soon as super starts posting more I can determine better but I haven't seen in any games super play the lurky role. right... so whats the point? dam who are the scum who voted on bats | ||
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not fucking really dude. Think JAt called that shit out already. | ||
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On January 03 2015 05:29 sicklucker wrote: So like I wanna explain my vote switch since you guys ignored it. Its day one im never that confident in my day 1 reads. I openly admit I can never read batssnacks correctly and I think hes a potential mislynch which jat laughs at and says hes easy to read. Here was my town reads. Palmer Ksc artanis voted bats eden voted bats dandred voted bats doctor voted bats After jat first voted bats to try to get it going (which is kinda scummy) Four of my town reads immediately follow and no on eelse. Like how do I not vote there honestly? I would do it again maybe my reads are bad but at the time and I still kind of think I sheeped mostly towns. Going to call bullshit on this, reading your filter, you are trying to project confidence, saying "you had a strong 24 hours". saying "when geript flips mafia (he is going to)" ...that looks like someone who is pretty confident to me. | ||
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On January 03 2015 05:53 Palmar wrote: I'm not awesome. I'm just explaining that the people who lynched batsnacks are terrible. So reading through the lynch. I had a scum read on bats, a few others did. Then JAT was like "lets lynch bats" then random fuckwads came out the woodwork and lynched bats for bad reasons/no reasons/ every thing he said reason (eden) So if i'm JAT in that position I would be like fuck this and go back to geript. assuming JAT is good. JAT you even said something like "why are you people here now" or "this feels bad" just explain why the alarm bells didn't go off and make you switch. | ||
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On January 03 2015 05:55 sicklucker wrote: Your so wrong like me and jat had the cold feet heres eden trying to make sure we keep are votes if you had such cold feet why didnt you switch? | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:00 Palmar wrote: No because generally (and I say generally, maybe I'm completely wrong on everything this game? who knows?) if I throw out like 6-10 townreads there's usually only going to be 1 mafia in there. Again, maybe this is the game where I get everything wrong, but let's assume it's not. Just from a statistical point of view it's better to lynch outside the players I've townread, because if most of the townreads are correct (even if 1 or maybe 2 are wrong) there's going to be more mafia in the remaining players. But I cba arguing this. batsnacks was a terrible lynch. Now all my reads are fucked up and I will be awful for the rest of the game because I can't tell dumb from scum. Here's to hoping mafia just shoots me to rid town of me. relax man we can turn this shit around | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:00 justanothertownie wrote: As you can see by the things you quote in this very posts the alarm bells DID go off. But people arriving at deadline aren't necessarily scum and I just wasn't sure if geript was the better lynch since he acted so defeated and I had a difficult time seeing him be like that as mafia. yeh what I meant was why didnt you switch when the alarm bells went off. I'm not sure I buy your explanation Like dam,eden and SL's reasons are all awful and they are at the deadline with bad reasons....I just think you are a better player than that and the last second awful ninja vote doesn't make you switch? | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:08 Palmar wrote: Also another reason why DrH is dumb and shouldn't be listened to: If I am indeed mafia, I am basically being universally townread. I have a solid tunnel going on on geript (who is then presumably town) and all I have to do is keep on trucking. Like I don't think a single person called me mafia yesterday. So in DrH's world, I could possibly be mafia because instead of taking advantage of my already incredible amount of towncred, I'm throwing a hissy fit over a shitty lynch. From now on I'm not going ot read DrH posts. They're worthless pile of trash. I don't know about that I think since he stopped tunneling chyz he has been alright. | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:09 justanothertownie wrote: Explain the mafia motivation behind the last second awful ninja vote. geript is mafia | ||
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ok geript is mafia vigi and mafia need to preserve KP so they jump on bats to ensure geript doesn't die. That could be a reason. 3 people who have done nothing towny at all ( and SL who I have shown has played pretty scummy) come out with bad reasons to jump on a wagon and lynch town. | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:13 Vivax wrote: Just took a look at geripts filter and he actually seems pretty townie to me. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK! no but seriously don't be dumb | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:14 IAmRobik wrote: I forget. It was something I read recently. top tier | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:15 justanothertownie wrote: That still has nothing to do with my question. Explain the scum motivation for geripts ninja vote when he could have just voted batsnacks instead and improved the odds for his own survival. oh i wasn't talking about geripts vote | ||
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who the fuck do you think we lynch d2? so then mafia goes 1-1 with town and like everyone who voted on geripts d1 which is like 6 people suddenly become confirmed town. That is probably why he doesn't vote bats. | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:16 Damdred wrote: They weren't so horrible when you were saying some of the same things earlier about how batsnacks was off but now you are coming in raising hell about how our reasons were shit? I generally have a good track record with bats and he was playing really really similarly to how he played in ffl2 to me and neat and tidy mafia. I gave my reasons sure now that hes flipped it sucks but he wasn't htat bad a lynch and why you are throwing dirt on people who lynched one of your scum reads idk. your read is just he played different in some other game. You basically did nothing else but just jumped on that last minute. why didn't you post this great read you had before. I think my read was more developed and delivered way before deadline time. | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:18 justanothertownie wrote: Geript voting bats does not make anyone lynch geript. ... Well I am happy to lynch geript today anyway. If he voted on a town to save himself that just confirms it for me. | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: sicklucker is the only person who didn't even attempt to justify his switch to bats yeh he said his 4 top town voted on him. | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:21 Damdred wrote: Its hard to post things when you aren't here firstly, when I was here I did post things and interact. I arrived back to the game around 2:30 hours before lynch roughly, caught up with the game as I said I didn't like Chys lynch as I don't think mafia would do that. Then something about geripts last second town read and scum read and was seemingly trying to do a couple of things and ask questions so no i doubted that. Honestly I completely forgot almost that Bats was even in the game before he was mentioned and then I read his filter and his game looks like his scum game. You can piss and moan all you want but go look why we lynched him in ffl2 or look at neat and tidy it looks really close to here. it's not pissing and moaning at all. You fabricated a reason at the deadline to lynch town. I am pretty convinced you are scum so you think geript was being busy at the deadline but JAT thought he gave up at the deadline? I am confused | ||
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JAT seems to be under the impression that geript isn't going to get lynched today and that he wouldn't have looked scummy at all if he voted bats. I am correcting that impression | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:27 justanothertownie wrote: I NEVER said geript wouldn't be lynched. What I am saying is that voting for his counter wagon isn't scummy in the slightest. right cool. but you asked me the motivation behind geript's vote and I gave it to you. | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:28 sicklucker wrote: Like this game is actually madness. My only decent town reads left are like marv and robik and now they want to kill each other. wtf you townread eden,dam ,artanis and drH enough to vote on bats. | ||
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eden,SL and dam because you didn't town read them and it was such a bad last minute lynch. But then I read your filter and you didn't scum read geript so I don't mind it as much. | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:31 sicklucker wrote: i mean sure but from my pov its unlikely everyone was town in a mislynch. There also trying to all bury me. Im still leaning town but not strong on eden artanis doc. I just completely recend my dandred read. That was a weak early read he has not really backed it up. so me and palmar are no longer town now either? why did robick and marv become town aswell? | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:29 justanothertownie wrote: No. My point is that geript as mafia should have voted bats. Geript as a townie also should have voted bats. Hence my confusion about his ninja vote which is essentially just extremely weird and a null tell. if his vote has confused you into thinking he might be town then there is a mafia motivation for his vote. | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:37 sicklucker wrote: Na your probably still town. But you do lose some points attacking an easy mislynch harder the anyone else. Palmer just completely fell off the world. I have no idea what he is anymore he spent the whole time blaming others and not helping find scum. Im also less sure on gerit because if that mislynch wa stown driven then most likely both horses are town. And my main reason to town read palmer was his drive to kill him. If you think my cases against the late voters is unwarranted I would be glad to hear it. But you also don't read any of those town reads as town anymore so clearly something struck home with you. give me scum out of robik,eden,dam | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:39 IAmRobik wrote: Town leading a mislynch off of geript doesn't make geript more town. Can you use your brain before you post. Please and thank you who said this? | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Yeah, sicklucker will look awful when we lynch geript. I'd do the same thing if I was geript. Switch votes to try to cause chaos cause I know I'm fucked no matter what happens. If a buddy can hide in the votes it's fine and the way sicklucker avoided responsibility for his vote by not giving real reasons for it and then moaning about how bad the game is fucked after is all wrong. Geript also could have switched from vivax to sicklucker if he needed to, who says he wasn't watching the votes closely ready to switch at the last second? do you mean bats? | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Good point. Everyone who voted for batsnacks is confirmed town, especially you lol | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:51 sicklucker wrote: No like hes not. Im to arrogant to help a scum team mate who gave up played horrible and wont even vote to save himself. Like fuck that shit I would let him burn. If I continue to bus gerit Im like instantly town read by the entire game because I was the first person to push him. If I wanted to just get town read I stay on gerit. Theres only town motivation for sheeping my town reads. you didnt push him mate you just said some early bullshit that no one took seriously | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:54 sicklucker wrote: If I stick my vote on gerit and he flips mafia your terrible if you dont semi clear me. He tried to stick scum on me several times, I made him look terrible on several occasions if it were not for me and his half ass attacks on me no one would even vote him. was your vote on gerit at the deadline? | ||
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On January 03 2015 07:08 sicklucker wrote: Like your focusing on shit things. If im town I cant figure out whats going on in gerits head. Hes definitely conceding tho. That could be as town or mafia. He later explain his vote and I kinda believe him? But at the time it looked like he was trying to kill himself. And like I dont think mafia does that ever when they can vote to kill a town. all your posts stink of wifom and you trying to clear yourself with poor logic. you argue that there is no way that you and geript can be scum because about 3 pages into d1 you made some jokey post that no one took seriously. Again one of the main things that is scummy is you are just obsessed with trying to clear people, mostly yourself and tell people how towny you are and all the towny things you have apparently done. | ||
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On January 03 2015 08:39 Eden1892 wrote: And in the meantime, can someone explain what was so bad about the batsnacks lynch? I still think it was acceptable and the only bad part about it was the flip. Still think my case on batsnacks was okay and I feel like it's a little cheap that a bunch of people logged on after batsnacks flipped and waxed poetic about how terrible a lynch it was without even engaging what was (in my perhaps-biased opinion) the most influential singular post in getting him killed. Like if everyone's going to decree this lynch bad, it seems like questioning me about my case would be an obvious starting point to finding out if the batsnacks lynch was town- or mafia-driven. I was the most outspoken singular person in the final hour of the day for killing batsnacks, I wrote the biggest case that people seemed to follow. Yet as far as I'm aware not one of the people complaining about the lynch has asked me anything about it. It makes all this gnashing of teeth about the lynch ring incredibly hollow, like people are complaining about it because it's the in thing to do instead of trying to figure out what it means for the game. I didn't realise you were here but yes I want to look at your case again look at the case SL and dam made and especiaally look at how scummy SL has been (my case) and then you can understand why that lynch was bad. | ||
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My question is this. If you have 3 reasons for calling bats scum right at the deadline why didn't you bother to read him or make a case on him earlier. It feels like TMI | ||
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On January 03 2015 08:50 Eden1892 wrote: Why would their cases matter for the lynch being bad? Unless their cases are better than mine, and are still bad, they seem irrelevant. Sorry but I'm not going to be convinced a lynch I pushed and wrote a big case for is bad by being redirected to other people writing cases for the same lynch. I know you're saying you want to look at it again, would you care to do so and talk to me about mine, please? right at the deadline a bunch of people who have done nothing come forward and jump on a bandwagon with really bad reads and it doesn't give you pause. alright. | ||
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On January 03 2015 08:53 Eden1892 wrote: Someone else brought him up as a possible kill when there was roughly an hour or so left. I want to say Artanis without looking, but I don't know. I don't remember remembering anything batsnacks had done to that point, and I remember saying I would read batsnacks instead of someone else (I think Lazermonkey and Vivax?). I read his filter, examined the context of the posts I thought were important and made the case in a larger post. I certainly wouldn't call it "right at the deadline," I think I made it with about 50 minutes left in the day, with at least a half-dozen people online to see it. Close, but not so close that people didn't have time to evaluate it for themselves. I have to admit I don't really understand where your question is going. my point is this. You have absolutely nothing on bats and no read but then you come up with a whole bunch of reasons to scum read him. Why weren't you looking at him earlier since you were such a headless chicken before then. why does point 1 make bats scummy? why does point 3? | ||
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lly said everything bats had done in the game was scummy. but you hadn't noticed it before someone else decided to lynch him. | ||
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On January 03 2015 08:58 IAmRobik wrote: Kelsersc, can you explain the TMI part of your accusation on Eden? Do you know what TMI even means? yes he has 3 reasons instaantly to scum read bats, everything bats did was scummy apparenty | ||
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On January 03 2015 09:02 Palmar wrote: and how is that tmi. in fact, Eden wanting to lynch batsnacks was a serious case of TLI yes that is exactly what I am saying | ||
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On January 03 2015 09:02 IAmRobik wrote: You have one more chance: what is tmi and how does it apply to your case against Eden. Hint: + Show Spoiler + it doesn't he provides too much information on bats. he is saying everything bats has done is scummy which isnt the case. he did some scummy things. is this you playing good? when does that happen? | ||
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On January 03 2015 09:34 justanothertownie wrote: You are aware that Palmar is saying that Eden is probably town? I thought palmar wrote tmi not tli | ||
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1) bats read on robik was weird 2) his misrepresenting chyz 3) his last pages not having anything substantiaal | ||
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On January 03 2015 09:37 Eden1892 wrote: Kelsier, this is the second error of fact you've made about my case, both of them pretty significant. I didn't say everything batsnacks had done was suspicious. I pointed out a few things that were. You said you would read my case and give me critiques of it. When is this going to happen? im doing it now wtf | ||
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On January 03 2015 09:47 Eden1892 wrote: I guess that's a decent breakdown, but I still find it misrepresenting to say that I broke it down into those three subsections, when it clearly (to me) reads more as a freeflowing assessment of batsnacks. Doubly so when you start couching it in terms of "isn't it weird how he had these 3 points he was instantly ready to make on batsnacks," as you've essentially been looking to do. (1) is not quite correct. The read was off, as I explained; what made it suspicious to me is that there wasn't any followup to it, nor did it seem any other suspect had commanded his attention to distract him from following up. It just kinda gets dropped without any explanation. I admit I wasn't as clear on this as I should have been, though. (2) is also not quite correct, and I feel like it's more clearly not quite correct than your reading of (1). Again, it's this attempt to read/contribute something about Chyz that doesn't make much sense that's weird, and the lack of meaningful direction or followup to it that's suspicious. I did call it a "horrible misinterpretation" but that's not why I found it suspicious. (3) is pretty much correct, and is indeed suspicious given (1) and (2) constitute his main focuses in the thread. And while it's not in the case itself, I feel it would be remiss to overlook the point I hammered home the most in my arguing for batsnacks to be lynched, which was that batsnacks was defaulting to a policy lynch on Chyz and pointedly refusing to tell me whether or not he actually thought Chyz was mafia. And yeah, I know you're reading it, my point is that you've made multiple significant errors of fact and that you're not reading the case fairly. You entered your read of it wanting to find a way to make it fit into your preconceived notion that I came out of nowhere with 3 points I'd been sitting on in order to bury a townie, instead of reading it with a genuine interest in determining my alignment and the alignment of the people that followed my vote onto batsnacks. that is how the case looked broken down to me eden, just how it felt in my mind. I think you defended your case pretty well and you are right it wasnt just before deadline. you feel town | ||
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On January 03 2015 10:10 IAmRobik wrote: vivax, stop shitposting or you will get lynched per koshi's request lol whats the story about that pot and the black kettle, shit i forgot | ||
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On January 03 2015 10:17 Eden1892 wrote: Enh... that felt a little quick. You seemed awful sure earlier. I'll sort it out later I guess. it's called applying pressure | ||
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On January 03 2015 10:55 IAmRobik wrote: It's pretty disgusting that the voters of geript look scummier as a whole than the voters of bats. Also that the people not voting either wagon look worse than those on either of the other two. right,,,, | ||
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On January 03 2015 10:58 IAmRobik wrote: You disagree? Cool. Please tell me besides myself who you scumread of the voters on bats I don't scumread you I think SL and dam are scum. | ||
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On January 03 2015 11:36 IAmRobik wrote: Artanis, I'll point it out tomorrow and make a case on why he's scum. I am on my phone and quoting is no fun and neither is filter diving. It's possible I'm wrong on him and everything else. Whatevs lol | ||
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On January 03 2015 11:41 IAmRobik wrote: Also, regarding keiser, he seems to be contradicting himself a lot. He's making posts asking why I'm town and he makes a post saying that I'm playing like shit but that he TRs me. Like wtf? when did I ask why you are town. you are playing like shit, i don't town read you I dont scum read you apparently you start palying good at some point and I am waiting for that. If you really think I am top scum this game I just dont get you | ||
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On January 03 2015 11:48 IAmRobik wrote: You asked twice I believe. Once was to SL if I remember correctly I was asking him to explain his town read on you , it wasnt in an attempt to read you at all | ||
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On January 03 2015 11:57 IAmRobik wrote: You keep shitting on me but not calling me scum. It's just bad. Take a stance mofo I haven't seen you make a post of real substance. you weren't here NYE and then you have mostly been accusing people of bad posts or getting defensive about people thinking you are scummy. Like I said some other people in the thread said you are a good player so I am waiting till you start making a post of substance. You scum read me but I need to see the case before I can really make a read on you. | ||
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On January 03 2015 12:19 IAmRobik wrote: I don't like Lazer's post either. specifically 'well fuck, i still think" Also, Kel still hasn't answered why i should TR him you have a scum case on me I want to hear it | ||
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On January 02 2015 00:46 Damdred wrote: You haven't got to me doing some stuffs yet palmar tell me what you think of my case later besides its boring if it is. Besides that I think you are town for the knowledge bomb. Kel you might have to convince me more that bats is scum, I can remember his posts so I don't think I would want to lynch him today. | ||
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On January 02 2015 12:47 Damdred wrote: I really can't remember what Bats has tried to do this game overall, just that he asked about reads at one point besides that i forget hes in the game. I can see a scum bats doing this | ||
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On January 03 2015 13:34 justanothertownie wrote: And definitely keep a close eye on these people day2: marv, VE, Robik and geript Their play so far is really underwhelming if they are town. well geript should be lynched VE i think it is hard to be whelmed (europeean word) by his play considering he was a replacement. | ||
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On January 03 2015 13:46 justanothertownie wrote: I thought all those reads were gone now and marv and some other guy I forgot were your only townreads? he only likes marv and robik but he is now not sure because they are both fighting | ||
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On January 03 2015 13:52 Damdred wrote: I've had a town read on jat for awhile Eden is town I think, the vote analysis posts and the prodding posts make me feel good about Eden. I've made it clear I'm suspicious on Dr h especially leaving one of his top two scum alive Sl I think is super suspect with how he's been acting and jumping back and forth. robik idk he could be scum but more bullish for now. who am I missing sorry I was asking more how you read them before the baats lynch | ||
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On January 03 2015 13:55 Eden1892 wrote: OK, verdict is in. I think sicklucker is town. I don't want to kill him today, maybe ever. Yes it's derpy as hell that he says he changed his vote off geript to batsnacks because he "wasn't confident" in the read on geript, even though he has multiple posts that basically say geript is definitely mafia. But: (1) His story on his four town reads is completely consistent and held up despite direct questioning. He had explicitly townread three of them and implicitly townread a fourth well before he justified his vote switch by sheeping his townreads. (2) Sheeping one's townreads off of a vote you like to another wagon late is definitely something a townie would do, and seems like something a townie is more likely to do than a mafia, because a mafia would be worried about how bad "sheep townreads onto a town flip" would look afterwards. (3) The stars had to have aligned colossally for sicklucker to be mafia and be able to make any kind of strategic switch to kill batsnacks with the rationale that he sheeped his four most consistent town reads. You can't make this up. Other EoN stuff: Until I get an explanation from geript regarding why his excuse for his late vote was an outright fabrication and I hear something convincing for the switch, he's likely my kill for tomorrow. I can't see any reason why this guy should be allowed to make it to day 3. I still have not read Vivax but promise to do so next day. His questioning me was weird and didn't seem to go anywhere so I can kinda see where people are coming from on him, but I'd like to have something more definitive. Maybe more vote count crunching too. Chyz, Doc, sicklucker, Koshi are my townreads so far. I should probably have more by now but I haven't paid enough attention to most people to have an honest read. Luckily I expect all of my reads to be alive tomorrow so kills should help thin that out. That's all I think. I highly doubt I die n1 but just in case~ point 3 is pretty good actually. | ||
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You have answered the questions accurately which is good and you haven't gone insane because I questioned you. When I look at your play d1, it seems alright I agreed with the case you made on LM that seems good. But again I find it difficult to get past this lie That is really bad to me. Considering you also interacted with bats during the day. Anyway Then we look at the vote stage. the people who voted with you DrH , JAT, SL and eden. I don't see where you called JAT town before the lynch but maybe I missed that. But you don't like DrH and SL was scum so I can't see any "my townreads are voting " reasons. You haven't used this reasoning so ok. You agree that the Geript case was good, I like to think some of your town pushed the case. You don't really know about bats but you decide to switch over because you remembered his play from another game. But you apparently don't remember bats. ...For me you got caught in a bad lie about bats and your reason for switching just doesn't feel good to me. I think you are scum. | ||
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On January 03 2015 14:37 IAmRobik wrote: If we don't lynch vivax today, I'm going to kill some babies i'd like your scum case on me Robik. | ||
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On January 03 2015 14:40 Damdred wrote: Did you know kel that I've played 10-15 games with bats probably since I've been here? Every time we caught him almost was for the reasons that I posted. I think that the reasons at that point of the day were good and he was an ok lynch. I think you put to much into a point where I said I can remember to when bat faded where I forgot he was in the game both situations can exist ya know. I think it's pretty shit conclusion tbh for bad reasoning obviously the 10-15 games haven't helped because you lynched him and he was town! | ||
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On January 03 2015 14:46 IAmRobik wrote: no point now. we're lynching vivax. As much as I'd like to try today, there's literally no point top tier once again | ||
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On January 03 2015 14:47 Damdred wrote: How the hell did I know hr was town he wasn't playing to his town fame that's for sure. I'm not even sure how this is productive just feels like you are trying to role me up to make myself look bad instead of interaction The best use of my time is to question the people who EOD voted on bats and then form my conclusions on them so it feels pretty productive.. I gave my thoughts on you and yeh you will obviously disagree but you caan't really be indignant or surprised that I read you as scummy. Robik I want to actually analyse the night kills a bit deeper so please don't AFK leave. | ||
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On January 03 2015 14:56 sicklucker wrote: Well kelsier how do you feel about me now after edens post that might have got him killed Eden didn't know your alignment so I town read Eden before he made the post on you. I kind of liked point 3 initially but I don't really think that much of it anymore. I don't like you at all. | ||
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Marv how does koshi being town make vivax scum? Can you explain what is bad about his case on jat? No one considers the world where mafia kill.koshi to make.vivax seem bad Seriously? | ||
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On January 03 2015 22:27 marvellosity wrote: it doesn't? (koshi being town) what the poop is the point of wifoming about night kills? koshi isn't a surprising kill regardless of who he was pushing at the time, and mafia tend far more to kill people who are a danger to them then otherwise. tldr it's all wifom so what's the point in even speculating about it? did you not read Vivax pushing jat? Where jat pointed out that literally the next quote in his filter was a correction/disproved what Vivax was saying? the reasons are just so ungenuine. Vivax is a relatively solid townplayer and that push was... not I did read the case I just wanted to see what you thought about it. I think night kills are pretty important to analyse. I mean before Koshi died vivax was a discussion to be lynched but I mean I think geript or SL or Dam were other names that I would have preferred to lynch, now no one gives a fuck about them and is like, lynch vivax AFK. SL I can sort of understand because the post by eden was good but like no one is even considering other people and that makes me pause for concern. @Vivax, Who did you scum read d1, was it a strong scum read? | ||
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On January 03 2015 22:30 Vivax wrote: For me, it's still suspicious how he went from saying "bats has no scumreads" to then talking about how he doesn't interact with them. HE exaggerated willingly. I think that case was really bad | ||
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On January 03 2015 22:34 Vivax wrote: What am I doing wrong? Like, if you know better don't just stand around and tell me I'm bullshitting show me what I misunderstood and lead me to a better track instead of standing on the sidelines and just throwing around snarky comments. Show me why I'm wrong on JAT, or tell me where my argument is wrong, or tell me who a better lynch is who isn't me. so I don't think what JAT did was mafia orientated. He was saying as scum bats doesn't interact with his scum reads and as town he does right. I didn't see a contradiction. I think even town will exaggerate things to get their point across, if you scum read someone you want other people in town to believe it. | ||
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On January 03 2015 22:37 Vivax wrote: I think it's still pretty clear that at the time I wasn't convinced by the arguments presented by Artanis and DrH about geript but I felt that DrH's case was appealing and I also said what I didn't like about TheChyz, plus concerns about Lazermonkey for his weird post where he talks so much about some guy cause he's indecisive on him but only spends a fraction of that post talking about his scumread. So Vivax, there is something that stands out in my mind from when you correctly found Xat and me as mafia in the carol game. On December 11 2014 02:00 Vivax wrote: I found your followup fairly weak cause after scumreading fecal and people giving your argument low weight you preferred to focus on other stuff rather than on trying to start a wagon on him. It's like you were content with just having a read out for some reason rather than actually getting people to follow it. Scum doesn't care if their read has weight in the town as long as people buy their explanations even when they don't agree with it and it looks like they're scumhunting. When I think someone is scum I'll look in their filter for as long as it takes to find the things proving that they are and to convince other people, and when people still don't listen I'll usually get very wordy, or contest the leading lynch. That's how I play town, and how you don't, so I think you're scummy and hence that answers: I didn't get that impression from you D1 at all. if you are saying you are clear who you thought was scum do you really think you put in all your effort to convince people? | ||
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On January 03 2015 22:37 marvellosity wrote: people aren't voting Vivax because Koshi died, silly. Can you respond to this point. | ||
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On January 03 2015 22:44 Lazermonkey wrote: @Kel I'm interested in killing Dam. Just sayin'. ![[image loading]](http://cdn.meme.am/instances/250x250/57700465.jpg) | ||
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On January 03 2015 22:47 Vivax wrote: Yes and here I saw the discrepancy. JAT basically tried to find reasons for geript being town prior to voting for him, the reasons for him being scum are in the ancient era of his filter and he never kept harping on them. They only showed up after multiple people posted their suspicion on geript. Then he votes geript after finding reasons for actually not scumreading him. And when the geript wagon is rolling he even goes as far as exaggerating to get to another lynch. He claims it's cause he was that confident about bats but then I don't understand why he joined the geript wagon first and then started pushing bats. And also, what happened to his other two reads when he joined the geript wagon? He points out he's suspicious of LM and ritoky at some point but the followup is still that pointless conversational style that makes him look active but also makes him zero productive. See for me one of the reasons I don't scum read JAT for his vote is because I don't see him scum reading geript d1, I think he even says "I don't know about geript" or something like that. So honestly if he has a better read I can understand him changing onto bats. I think he should have been more active and changed after dam and SL jumped in with bad reasons but I don't scum read him at this point. | ||
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On January 03 2015 22:54 Vivax wrote: I asked him about it, he said he had a scumread on geript when he voted for him, cause I accused him of not having one. Does that change your view? possibly, let me read his filter again | ||
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On January 03 2015 02:55 justanothertownie wrote: I said geript was scummy multiple times I think. And yeah, I wasn't that sure about it later because he was playing so bad that I had doubts. I also said this. If you really read my filter then you wouldn't have to ask me those questions. oh so he did scum read geript wait one sec | ||
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I mean his story adds up and that is the impression I get. I think JAT is town but I feel like you believe your case on JAT | ||
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So vivax d1/n1 he scum read Eden and Koshi(slightly) Koshi has a massive scum read on Vivax so mafia kills Eden and Koshi. Again it just seems to good to be true. I need more people to post before I get a feeling for this but at the moment it feels like a set up with everyone too happy to sit back and let this happen | ||
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What do you think at this point of SL, Dam and Geript who would you lynch? are any of those people town? | ||
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On January 03 2015 14:56 sicklucker wrote: Well kelsier how do you feel about me now after edens post that might have got him killed On January 03 2015 15:08 sicklucker wrote: Yep I kill a guy whos giving me a HARD HARD TOWNREAD he only listed like 5 towns. Yep thats how I play scum I kill people who say never lynch me The argument is awful, Eden had no idea of SL's alignment so how does that help him. Again he just desperately wants to be clear and doesn't want to do anything. | ||
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I want people to read my cases on SL and Dam, I want people to consider the viv lynch more , Like if you consider it and still find him scum/town that is fine but people need to actually stop humping the shit out of a doughnut and get active. I think I raised some good discussion points talk about them. | ||
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On January 04 2015 02:16 justanothertownie wrote: You are thinking I am scum, remember? Of course scum will be on your wagon regardless of your alignment. What do you mean? | ||
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On January 04 2015 02:21 justanothertownie wrote: Well, if he is a mislynch scum will be on it. If he is scum they will bus the fuck out of him because he has been dead in the water since night1. Hmm ... | ||
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On January 04 2015 02:41 Damdred wrote: Twice now hes lied about me or misrepresented the facts at least. I called him out for the first post and he took it back basically, the second post is misrepresenting again. I obviously gave a shit about getting a scum read lynched since you know i lynched batsnacks which is the heaet i'm getting. I haven't avoided relevant discussion i've been involved in most of everything while i've been here, its just a total misrepresentation and I know you think i'm scum but why are you letting him slide by for it when you are so gun ho on me? I don't disagree with what he has been saying though. Indont really know why you went and analysed super. And yeh i think at the time the group of sl,Eden and drh drh was, unfortunately , the most town. The second point I don't disagree with either. You disagree with him on the way you have been playing but i don't think he is deliberately mid interpreting you. In my mind you haven't really scum hunted at all. I mean, do you think you have projected a strong town game and anyone who scum reads you is lying? | ||
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On January 04 2015 02:56 Damdred wrote: Actually yes, i think i've played decently well especially for being on a holiday thats generally one of my busiest of the year with family and with the business. Besides that i've poked holes in people (early post of lazer) poked at dr h, did teh super thing because koshi asked for references. Dr. H is only super town to you because he has a super long filter honestly You don't disagree with it because you are biased towards me, you are just being hypocritical in the extreme. I don't see lm misinterpreting anything in his post. I don't think I'm bring hypocritical sorry Of course you aren't going to agree that i should be scum reading you but you did late vote on bats and so you should.comr under scrutiny. I think people should seriously consider my case on you. Can someone post votes please | ||
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On January 04 2015 03:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Vivax is starting to make sense. Kelsier why don't you want to lynch Robik? Do you? I think there are better lynches. | ||
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Here is what is breaking my brain here. before the night kills. We have people who scum read geript. We have a few people who late vote on bats, I think I made good cases on dam and SL I have been pressing these people. But after the night kills we get this "ooh Viv is confirmed scum" i am like the only person along with hat who actually tries to question him or even consider the night kills. A lot of people come in and vote afk. They dont even question just attempt buries . No one is even considering other people and all these geript scum reads are now forgotten because "i dunno he felt sorta town actually" I think my brain is exploding. Again people consider my cses on SL and dam, explain why geript is town now because i don't get this at all. | ||
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On January 04 2015 03:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I can't promise 3 hours specifically but I'll be around. As for why Geript is town (though I still have doubts), I posted it before. His end of D1 play made no sense from a scum perspective and I could make sense out of it from a town perspective in leaving a legacy. He didn't try to survive at all costs, nor did he quit entirely. It just seems like a high risk low reward play for mafia to make, whereas the town reasoning is simple: Provide a guideline for town to go on after his death. If he is scum where should his vote have gone? If you say bats I already explained why that doesn't work. There are plenty of good cases on geript. My case, palmers case are good. Also people had scum reads on geript n1 but after the night kills suddenly no one gives a shit. | ||
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On January 04 2015 03:44 justanothertownie wrote: How is this so hard to understand? If geript votes batsnacks NOONE will scumread him for that alone because every townie would do exactly that. Stop being dense. The only reason people have this townread on geript is because of his weird vote, which is a shit reason anyway. If you think he votes on bats and doesn't get lynched today I just.. | ||
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On January 04 2015 03:44 justanothertownie wrote: How is this so hard to understand? If geript votes batsnacks NOONE will scumread him for that alone because every townie would do exactly that. Stop being dense. If every town votes on bats why is geript being townread for not voting on him? | ||
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On January 04 2015 03:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I never said that. I said I didn't understand the town nor scum motivation for his vote so I considered that action null. I townread Geript because Oh I thought by end of d1 play you meant his vote that is what is confusing me. Well I don't see why geripts weirdness end of d1 makes town after a whole lot of reasons make him scum and now people aren't even considering him. Especially when he continues to do fuck all today. Sorry for the vote questions I was confused why people had a town read on him | ||
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On January 04 2015 07:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Vivax has put in 0 effort well that just isn't true , read this day so far | ||
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On January 04 2015 06:08 IAmRobik wrote: i have no feelings towards geript. He could be town. he could be scum. his wagon was by far filled with scummier voters than bats' I feel like i'm town and I'm sticking to this read Robik you say that the geript wagon was uglier than the bats wagon. But here you point to this wagon being ugly On January 02 2015 10:44 IAmRobik wrote: [/blue][/b]Oh jeez, that's one ugly looking wagon to be on. Where to move my vote -.- that wagon contains Eden and DrH . Why is the bats wagon suddenly clean even though the same people voted on a "dirty" wagon | ||
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On January 04 2015 11:07 GlowingBear wrote: Stop ignoring me. I already have few posts. You don't have to read much from me. GB can you give your thoughts on the people who are actually up for discussion. I don't know who you think is scum apart from JAT and palmar. | ||
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On January 04 2015 11:49 sicklucker wrote: KelsierSC you were pushing me on day 1 correct? no | ||
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On January 04 2015 11:52 sicklucker wrote: Well im looking at your filter you were pushing me super hard night 1 before you woulda got a check so why check me if your so sure? are you hard claiming this you asked if i pushed you d1 I didnt I pushed on you n1 | ||
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On January 04 2015 12:05 IAmRobik wrote: Chyz, vivax and batsnacks were FOS of mine, but Chyz was self-voting so meh. I don't know if I TR Eden until later or if I had TR him up to that point. but it just felt meh Fair enough, you did townread DrH so him being on bats kind of helps you out aswell. Who didn't you like on the geript wagon? | ||
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On January 04 2015 12:09 sicklucker wrote: Ksc you rescinded right? I thought you were joking so I played along | ||
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On January 04 2015 12:15 geript wrote: yawn. Troll, tunnel, troll, tunnel, troll, tunnel, tunnel, troll, tunnel, troll, troll, tunnel, bully, troll, tunnel... Let's be honestly here people. Has DrH done anything that's actually useful or towny other than have a 27 billion page filter? have you? | ||
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On January 04 2015 12:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: How long until you decide to vote or actually pressure a read? You can't wait forever for a mislynch, might as well bus vivax right now. You might convince an idiot that it would somehow make you look better you are so mean to people | ||
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On January 04 2015 12:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I didn't call geript an idiot per se, I am pretty sure he is scum though. I'm not the only diva in this game, let's talk about something that gets us somewhere like why geript refuses to push or out effort into his reads. He said vivax seems good because idk he skimmed what others were saying about him and assumes its good without reading his filter? Says marv is 100% scum and backs down instantly. All ive seen besides that is speculating about flips, night actions and dodging the questions that matter. I can be nicer if thats what i need to do but at this point anytime i make an accusation im just a troll and a tunneler. Garbage Yeh he is scummy I agree. just let him give his reads. I want to know what he thinks about the SL claim. | ||
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On January 04 2015 12:10 KelsierSC wrote: Fair enough, you did townread DrH so him being on bats kind of helps you out aswell. Who didn't you like on the geript wagon? robik are you here? | ||
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On January 04 2015 20:46 Palmar wrote: I am actually going to vote him. I'm unsure if it's my final vote today, but he's been awol for like... 48 hours or something stupid? I understand there might be a reason for that, and it also seems like the people defending him (mostly koshi) were actually town. And I still have the fact I didn't really think he was mafia day 1. Still, gonna drop a vote, see if he wakes up. Aside from him I think we really should work towards reducing the number of people up for the lynch today. As I see it now, we have the following: geript superbia vivax iamrobik ritoky VE Damdred TheChyz I need to eliminate a few more off this list, but it looks ok for now. Also, if someone is in the mood for meta, marv has repeatedly done something this game that I don't recall him doing before. He's doing my thing where he asks other people to confirm for him. "I think this was x, can someone confirm". Maybe it's nothing though. In any case I'm not sure marv is the lynch today. I am sorely tempted to actually go hard after Damdred. If I get the chance to read his filter I'll see what I think of it. I'd take VE and Chyz off that list. The rest are all ok I want to give some thoughts on Robik k. I was a bit fucked up yesterday and passed out but I remember trying to get a read on Robik and what bugged me was his reason for voting on bats, On January 04 2015 12:10 KelsierSC wrote: Fair enough, you did townread DrH so him being on bats kind of helps you out aswell. Who didn't you like on the geript wagon? So like this discussion felt pretty important to me, he thinks the geript wagon is worse than bats wagon but bats wagon has eden on it , who at the time robik did not TR and was part of the ugly wagon He said the geript wagon looked scummier but I guess apart from palmar I don't know who he scumread on that wagon. One of the major issues is that he doesn't give a read on a lot of these people beforehand. But when I look through his filter his main read I guess d1 is that DrH is town and palmar is mafia, I am a question mark. I guess it is plausible I just wish he had expanded on all of his reads d1. You also look at the way the votes went down and it appears that Robik's vote didn't actually matter. I admit I have no idea of Robik's usual play style, the only game we played together he was scum and AFK'd d1 and got lynched end of day. His early play hasn't really overwhelmed me it just felt like he was shitting on people and calling people bad because they didn't have the same read as him. Like calling JAT bad because he was asking Eden questions. I don't really understand why after the night kills vivax is mafia and the only person worth lynching according to Robik. He has a giant scum list (admittedly viv is on it) but he loves Eden's "baller" analysis which has superbia,rit and geript as mafia but after the NK's viv is mafia and he doesn't want to go any further. Despite all of this when I read through Robik's game he hasn't made any attempt to ingratiate himself with anyone, d2 his play has been more active and he has tried to push his thoughts specifically getting in JAT's face. This post also felt really town On January 04 2015 06:57 IAmRobik wrote: i don't need to have a read on every player in the game. I can take stances on people if you'd like, but they wouldn't be justified and they'd probably be wrong as fuck anyway Which is much better than what geript did which was spend ages not giving reads and getting pissed off when people asked him questions, then making a giant list post of nonsense. Overall I am still undecided on Robik but something makes me feel he is town with an abrasive manner. Either way I don't think he should be a lynch discussion today | ||
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On January 04 2015 23:21 Vivax wrote: It's like the first time I see you mention me as a scumread but you were always keen on defending Robik. Something to remember if I flip. Was I keen on defending Robik?,I said I think there are better lynches and now I went and read his filter thoroughly and despite some odd points I think he is towny and I don't want to lynch him. I scum read you d1 so | ||
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On January 04 2015 23:40 Vivax wrote: What are the odd points, or did you already point them out. yes just a few posts ago I gave what I thought about Robik | ||
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On January 05 2015 00:00 Vivax wrote: Btw tomorrow is my birthday too. And I just noticed you don't take into account the points I mentioned about Robik and JAT questioned him about them too, but you were there when they were brought up all the time. Yet they don't appear in your reasoning. Only reason you townread him is cause of one post where he acts high and mighty and says he can read anyone however he pleases. Pretty easy to say that so unwarranted. So why doesn't he talk to his seeming scumreads at night to pursue a "more important agenda, and if he sheeps Koshi why doesn't he go more into geriptafter the night who was another one of Koshi's scumreads? Instead he parks his vote on me and disappears until he is brought up again. for the second point I think it is safe to sat Koshi was more confident in his scum read of you than of geript so that isn't a major issue. I totally agree I don't like how he went after you and didn't consider other options. Yeh you, Robik and JAT had something going on about P 150 or soemthing, let me go reread that | ||
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I think the evidence is pretty ovewhelming at this point so I am going to give my case and vote. I made an early case on geript, so did palmar, and a few other people made real scum cases. He doesn't do anything but almost gives up and makes this nonsense vote on vivax. He is nearly lynched but then a whole bunch of randomers come out of nowhere and hop on a counter wagon that saves him and lynches bats. He then doesn't do anything substantial n1. after the night kills we see a huge early push on vivax with no one even considering other people. The night kills also perfectly incriminate viv. A few people seem to forget about geript and just say "oh he seemed a bit townier" He gets pressured by DrH but deflects for a long time with silly comments until eventually he gives this huge list post which contains a lot of rubbish and as viv points out a pretty large inaccuracy. This is the right lynch ##vote geript | ||
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On January 05 2015 01:00 sicklucker wrote: Vivax wtf is wrong with you. Discredit me when im trying to steer the lynch off you. I ask lazermonkey for his reads because their really important to me. Leaning scum on ksc now. He tried to brush off his cc as a joke but it was not. He should think im the cop. Yeh you don't believe what you are saying. If he thinks your scum he can give his read , what is wrong with that | ||
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If your other vote is town then it doesn't make you town either. Like I said if he has evidence of you being scummy and wants to give it henis entitled to | ||
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On January 05 2015 01:11 sicklucker wrote: hes denying that he did it? Its in his playbook I did it once and the circumstances were totally different. I didn't take your claim seriously at all I think that is pretty clear. Is your claim actually real? | ||
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You claimed I though it was a joke. Then you didn't actually rescend your claim so I asked you questions. At which point you said just forget about all the cop stuff guys which again made me think it was just a joke. I cant believe you believe what you are saying | ||
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On January 05 2015 01:12 Damdred wrote: Looked in ve filter and some interesting things popped up. VE says he thinks one of Palomar or marv is mafia and will push whichever is alive after nk. He pushes neither all day which is ok however he says he definitely doesn't town read palmar. Then when he goes hard on vivax and barely mentions geript his answer is that people palmar and marv are on vivax. People he doesn't town read at this point. He even says that he would prefer a Geript lynch but when it starts presenting itself ve ignores and tells vivax good luck next time. This doesn't add up to me I think ve is a mafia here. His play doesn't add up to what he was saying before. That's a great read if it is actually true. I can't filter dive but I will.later on. | ||
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On January 05 2015 01:33 sicklucker wrote: when? I differently never thought that because I know what I thought. I might have asked questions to help me figure out my next course I agree with dandred but ill hard claim but I kinda already thought I did Sorry SL I missed a comma *you claimed , I thought it was a joke. | ||
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On January 05 2015 01:38 sicklucker wrote: ve shouldnt be either, other then that carry on your talk about him Dams point is pretty good. | ||
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I think he is town, his d2 has been much better than his d1. He has been giving his scum reads and although some of them I don't agree with it seems like he believes in them. I think he brought up some good points and he found the inconsistency in geripts list which is a really strong case and an extra nail in the geript coffin. I think geript should def be the lynch today. | ||
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On January 05 2015 06:33 IAmRobik wrote: Why are we suddenly lynching geript over vivax? I think my argument is good. You can read that. | ||
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On January 05 2015 06:37 Superbia wrote: Fuck this shit. SL softs cop and all of a sudden has to explain nothing? Whatever. CC better come during EoN, don't believe SL. SL is still massively scummy but that situation resolves itself later on. Other people don't want to lynch SL today so it isn't really worth discussing him | ||
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On January 05 2015 06:42 IAmRobik wrote: I EXPLAINED IT BEFORE. GO FUCKING READ MY FILTER. I LITERALLY EXPLAINED IT TWO SECONDS AFTER YOU ASKED ME THE FIRST TIME. I'M NOT GOING TO FUCKING KEEP REPEATING IT. YOU HAD 2 POSTS ON DAY ONE AND THEY WERE BOTH TRASH AND THEN YOU DISAPPEARED. ME AND EDEN WERE ON THE SAME WAVELENGTH. rekt | ||
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On January 05 2015 06:43 IAmRobik wrote: link? was it that "everyone thinks geript is mafia, so why are we lynching vivax for the night kill when we can kill geript instead"? is that what you're referring to? Cause that argument is fucking terrible and you should be ashamed of yourself let me find it for you | ||
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On January 05 2015 00:21 KelsierSC wrote: nice find viv. I think the evidence is pretty ovewhelming at this point so I am going to give my case and vote. I made an early case on geript, so did palmar, and a few other people made real scum cases. He doesn't do anything but almost gives up and makes this nonsense vote on vivax. He is nearly lynched but then a whole bunch of randomers come out of nowhere and hop on a counter wagon that saves him and lynches bats. He then doesn't do anything substantial n1. after the night kills we see a huge early push on vivax with no one even considering other people. The night kills also perfectly incriminate viv. A few people seem to forget about geript and just say "oh he seemed a bit townier" He gets pressured by DrH but deflects for a long time with silly comments until eventually he gives this huge list post which contains a lot of rubbish and as viv points out a pretty large inaccuracy. This is the right lynch ##vote geript | ||
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On January 05 2015 06:48 IAmRobik wrote: from what i read of viv, he spent most of d2 calling me scum, so his d2 is definitely not "much better" what do you think of geript d2? | ||
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On January 05 2015 06:58 Superbia wrote: You didn't play d1 that game? Why does that matter? The fact is that you're reading me scum here for a (bad) reason, while you did not read me scum before in another game in a similar situation in which you were town. How do you explain that? It isn't a bad reason at all | ||
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On January 05 2015 06:59 Superbia wrote: What? The reaction to kelsier's CC was horrible. Where does he hard-claim? He has hard claimed now, The situation sorts itself out later. | ||
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On January 05 2015 07:00 geript wrote: Funny how this and the other one basically say my day 1 damns me but none of Koshi'sarguments are particularly damning. It's also funny how you like Vivax's D2. What has Vivax done today that's good whatsoever? I think Vivax has pushed who he believes are scum d2. He also spotted the inconsistency in your reads and that felt town to me. | ||
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On January 05 2015 07:05 geript wrote: Who did he push? How do inconsistencies make me mafia? Like there's probably 100 and he's literally picked the weakest one. He pushed on JAT and he pushed on Robik. I don't agree with his reasons on JAT but to me it feels like he believes in them and I can understand why other people would scum read Robik even if I don't. Mafia have a hard time keeping their story straight and I think the inconsistency that viv pointed out was a pretty damning one. | ||
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On January 05 2015 07:14 Superbia wrote: Yo can people comment on my argument against Robik? I think he needs to respond to it before people can comment on it. | ||
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On January 05 2015 07:20 Palmar wrote: Did you guys know that Damdred is mafia? yeh probly | ||
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On January 05 2015 07:20 Palmar wrote: If you can explain in less than 300 words why geript is mafia. Palmar you were one of the people who made a case on geript d1 if I recall | ||
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On January 05 2015 07:22 Palmar wrote: I don't see how that is relevant to the conversation? im confused | ||
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On January 05 2015 07:27 Palmar wrote: @vivax, would you think it's fair that we lynch geript today, and if he flips mafia, we lynch you next? guna bookmark this post set him up | ||
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On January 05 2015 10:14 geript wrote: The only major change is that Kelsier looks exceptionally worse, especially if Vivax is mafia. If Vivax flips red, then I'd go to Kelsier far before I'd lynch GB. Damdred still looks really town. Mafia don't beg for a fucking lynch. putting me on the same level as GB makes me really fucking sad. | ||
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On January 05 2015 12:08 geript wrote: Like I'm literally done with this shit. This is acomplete fucking waste of my time. I'd rather play league. Nobody else is actually bothering to read, check back or do anything else. So why the fuck should I care. It's not like this town doesn't have it's head stuck firmly up it's ass anyways. I think he explained this pretty well where he was reading through the thread but also keeping an eye on the latest stuff happening. I don't think he was lying. | ||
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why did you check dam? I know it isn't relevant right now but I got you here and nothing else is really going on | ||
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I did read your filter and I am unclear what your read is. Can't you just answer the question it isn't super complicated | ||
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On January 05 2015 12:42 geript wrote: Can't you just not be dense. It's not super complicated. so you accuse people of not trying or having their head up their arse but when I actually ask you a question you just insult me. please just answer | ||
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On January 05 2015 12:43 sicklucker wrote: Was softing/integrating super then I thought you really claimed to red checked me and that kind of made it obvious. I got enough info so im not salty about it Dandred is like a dodge for the framer so its an actual reliable check sorry I am not sure what you mean by softing/integrating, can you give more details on that. It's a pretty good check I guess. | ||
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On January 05 2015 12:44 geript wrote: I have. Any idiot who had read my filter would understand what I've written. so is Robik town or mafia? I guess I'm an idiot | ||
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On January 03 2015 05:38 sicklucker wrote: 1. I do the same for when bats about to flip but bats wa stown 2. 4 town reads on a player I admit I cant read on day 1 when my reads suck sure why now? 3. Dam is a really easy town read. 4. Like I thought I did I dominated the thread was more like first 12 hours. He was also one of the reasons you voted bats. Why was he your check then? | ||
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On January 05 2015 12:52 sicklucker wrote: Can we focus on the in an hour lynch and hold on for me if I dont die in the night? thanks I'd rather you answer right now before you have time to go and formulate some answer | ||
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On January 05 2015 12:55 geript wrote: I see if there are any letters on him. Then I go to google translate. Ok, So who is mafia voting on you right now? | ||
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On January 05 2015 12:57 Superbia wrote: I don't know about either wagon at the moment. explain why | ||
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On January 05 2015 12:58 sicklucker wrote: I refuse to talk any more cop stuff untill the very end of tomorrow. For obvious reasons. You should probably understand the concept of not helping mafia. Im never mafia I have no motivation to fake claim as a middle of the pack lynch. I wouldnt have gotten lynched for 3 days at the earliest im a better mafia player then that. I just want to know why you checked Dam when he was your easy town read. answer please | ||
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On January 05 2015 13:04 Superbia wrote: I found geript to be scummy early on but now I just don't know anymore. He has said some decent things and his reads feel somewhat okay-ish. I also don't feel like the mafia-meta I had on him also is that relevant after checking one of his town-games. I also feel like there's literally no one supporting him, which makes it hard to see him as scum. I don't think scum busses this hard this fast. Especially on a vet. Literally feels like he's alone in the game. Vivax I don't even have a read on. I checked his filter early on but kind of lost interest after seeing nothing standing out. I have read Koshi's case on him but meh. ok if you had to pick one? | ||
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On January 05 2015 13:04 Superbia wrote: I found geript to be scummy early on but now I just don't know anymore. He has said some decent things and his reads feel somewhat okay-ish. I also don't feel like the mafia-meta I had on him also is that relevant after checking one of his town-games. I also feel like there's literally no one supporting him, which makes it hard to see him as scum. I don't think scum busses this hard this fast. Especially on a vet. Literally feels like he's alone in the game. Vivax I don't even have a read on. I checked his filter early on but kind of lost interest after seeing nothing standing out. I have read Koshi's case on him but meh. can you be more specific for the decent things and his okish reads? | ||
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On January 05 2015 13:09 Superbia wrote: Vivax then, if I had to pick out of the two. He gave a read on me early on which sounded incredibly null and like he was ready to keep me available as a lynch option if necessary. Only based on that. What if the only two votes on viv are his counter wagon , geript, and robik who you have found really scummy today. | ||
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On January 05 2015 13:15 Vivax wrote: I set myself an alarm to not miss this. Where are the wagon destroyers I want to burn them at a stake. not much is going on, geript is annoyed that no one is trying to figure out the game but if you ask him a question he just whines and calls you an idiot. | ||
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On January 05 2015 13:25 justanothertownie wrote: The votecount suggests that IF SLs claim is real. Don't you think? indeed, but i don't think SL is real. | ||
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On January 05 2015 13:27 justanothertownie wrote: But do you think he is scum? I don't think SL does this as scum so the only possible scum for me out of the green colored people is damdred. yeh I think he's scum | ||
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so mafia probably was probably on geript / wasted vote yesterday and then wastes there vote today which is like marv, chyz, rit can mod post the current count | ||
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On January 05 2015 13:39 Vivax wrote: JAT, kelsier, need to know if you will switch to Robik. Don't want superbia since marv is there and he only recently started playing for realsies. no I don't want to switch to Robik. | ||
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he wont explain why he checked dam even though dam is "an easy town read" i'm not voting on someone else right at end of day just because someone who I read as scum makes a retard cop claim. | ||
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On January 05 2015 13:57 Superbia wrote: JAT I can't believe you tried to pull this shit at EoD. If geript flips red you're on my lynch-list. I think your lynch list means sweet fuck all tbh | ||
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On January 05 2015 14:00 liancourt wrote: Night Post Incoming FUCK YOU, YOU WERE HERE AND YOU DIDNT POST THE VOTE COUNT | ||
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On January 05 2015 14:17 IAmRobik wrote: you guys voted for vivax and palmar -- you should be ashamed of yourselves Great, fuck off | ||
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On January 04 2015 22:52 KelsierSC wrote: I'd take VE and Chyz off that list. The rest are all ok I want to give some thoughts on Robik k. I was a bit fucked up yesterday and passed out but I remember trying to get a read on Robik and what bugged me was his reason for voting on bats, So like this discussion felt pretty important to me, he thinks the geript wagon is worse than bats wagon but bats wagon has eden on it , who at the time robik did not TR and was part of the ugly wagon He said the geript wagon looked scummier but I guess apart from palmar I don't know who he scumread on that wagon. One of the major issues is that he doesn't give a read on a lot of these people beforehand. But when I look through his filter his main read I guess d1 is that DrH is town and palmar is mafia, I am a question mark. I guess it is plausible I just wish he had expanded on all of his reads d1. You also look at the way the votes went down and it appears that Robik's vote didn't actually matter. I admit I have no idea of Robik's usual play style, the only game we played together he was scum and AFK'd d1 and got lynched end of day. His early play hasn't really overwhelmed me it just felt like he was shitting on people and calling people bad because they didn't have the same read as him. Like calling JAT bad because he was asking Eden questions. I don't really understand why after the night kills vivax is mafia and the only person worth lynching according to Robik. He has a giant scum list (admittedly viv is on it) but he loves Eden's "baller" analysis which has superbia,rit and geript as mafia but after the NK's viv is mafia and he doesn't want to go any further. Despite all of this when I read through Robik's game he hasn't made any attempt to ingratiate himself with anyone, d2 his play has been more active and he has tried to push his thoughts specifically getting in JAT's face. This post also felt really town Which is much better than what geript did which was spend ages not giving reads and getting pissed off when people asked him questions, then making a giant list post of nonsense. Overall I am still undecided on Robik but something makes me feel he is town with an abrasive manner. Either way I don't think he should be a lynch discussion today | ||
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On January 05 2015 14:33 GlowingBear wrote: Thank you for not modkilling me. My day was already shit enough. dont worry mods probably didnt notice | ||
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On January 05 2015 14:39 justanothertownie wrote: ^ If someone presents good logic why someone is town - listen. Not that I don't agree with your rant. your logic was great but it relied on SL being a real cop with a check on dam which i dont believe in, especially when SL just fucked off EOD and refused to answer my question. Why would a PR just fuck off around deadline, jesus christ. oh wait because he isnt fucking PR | ||
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On January 05 2015 15:10 sicklucker wrote: Like reminder lets not talk about cops untill day 3. ritoky,ksc,sup spent more time worrying about it then scum hunting. ksc didnt even vote because he was too occupied asking me stupid questions. Like I probably die tonight if you think i wasnt scum hunting you need to go fucking kill yourself. it isnt a stupid question you just afk'd EOD and dodged a really important question about hy you checked dam even though he is your "easy town read" | ||
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So yeh sorry to the mods who I raged at for not posting the vote count , you are all wonderful for hosting a game. Sorry to SL for telling you to kill yourself. And anyone else I offended mid rage. Also to confirm Robik was running a new mafia stream last night so wasn't around EOD, it is a good stream so people should check it out. | ||
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On January 05 2015 22:47 sicklucker wrote: I thought he was mafia im bad. I figured their had to be one mafia who mislynched bats I think he was a good check to make, I would have done the same. But you gave him an early town read d1 and even said he was "easy town read". | ||
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On January 03 2015 13:44 sicklucker wrote: Me? Ya for the most part. Eden and doct are def town. Artanis most likely town. Dandred can still be town. So this is n1 where you are still town reading Dam right, but then d2 when you now have your "green check" on Dam you post this On January 04 2015 07:31 sicklucker wrote: Also would kill super, dandreds starting to fall of the map of the people actually posting. | ||
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On January 05 2015 23:05 marvellosity wrote: Probably not one that will help you very much. like your points on what he did might be valid, but i've never been able to read VE like that. essentially always on tone. i've had him kinda town on this basis for most of the game. the issue with this is that as my reads polarise a bit and there become better/longer reasons for people to be town, this gets weaker as something on its own essentially i'm a little worried i'm townreading him when he's mafia, but at the moment i'm still plumping town, and there are way, way better targets than VE anyways. pretty much mirrors my thoughts on him | ||
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On January 05 2015 23:00 sicklucker wrote: Ok im not the cop you got me wow, i am not surprised | ||
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On January 05 2015 23:16 sicklucker wrote: Like why are you interrogating me I dont want mafia to think im the cop oO. Most people dont I think you're scummy, you make a non sensical cop play and there are things about your claim that do not add up. can you answer now and stop dodging | ||
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On January 05 2015 23:24 Vivax wrote: Can you explain to me what a tone read is? Also the blded part ishard for me to understand. tone is like tone of voice/post the bolded part is saying that a tone read works for a d1 read but as the days progress and we have more information such as votes/night kills then things like tone become less relevant. | ||
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On January 05 2015 23:31 justanothertownie wrote: And the people who pushed the issue at night should feel bad too. yeh I feel bad for pushing my scum read | ||
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On January 05 2015 23:35 justanothertownie wrote: You could have done that when the night is over and he is still alive. You know - when you can vote and pushing people thus makes sense. I spotted an inconsistency from someone I read as scum. I'm not holding that shit in. I have no regrets | ||
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On January 05 2015 23:57 sicklucker wrote: Ah you know what I shoulda done. I shoulda told the medic to flip a coin if heads he saves me tonight if tails he saves me tomorrow. If mafia believes my claim they woulda been screwed, I don't think there is any worry of someone believing your claim | ||
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On January 06 2015 00:46 IAmRobik wrote: it wasn't necessarily the two of them, but it was the triangle of ritoky voting on vivax superbia pushing on ritoky I don't remember everything that's happened. It's just one blur. I just remember bits and pieces ah ok, I think the ritoky vote at the end was like the biggest piece of shit I have seen though. My read on geript was obviously wrong so I need to reevaluate the game tonight so I can give my thoughts before EON | ||
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On January 06 2015 01:05 Palmar wrote: Look at all the team robik supporters coming out of the woodwork. yes I am clearly "out of the woodwork" | ||
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On January 06 2015 01:14 sicklucker wrote: Ksc got legit mad at me when I claimed lol. Who will he tunnel now!? i thought you were joking when you first claimed. I don't see when I got mad at you. Interested to hear who you think I have tunneled on. | ||
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On January 06 2015 01:19 sicklucker wrote: You tunneled on an un cc cop bro... Lightning strike and me are making a club and your not invited no one would actually cc in that situation, you even said it yourself. If I read you scum , which I do, and then you actually claim cop I am going to ask you questions. If I spot inconsistencies and I ask you to explain them that means I am tunneling you? | ||
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On January 06 2015 01:20 IAmRobik wrote: The people TRing vivax though are blowing my mind. Especially those who TR me. Like, it would be so far-fetched for me, geript and vivax to all be town and koshi to be n1'd. Like the chances of that are so astronomically low. I'm reevaluating this game now so my TR on viv doesnt really stand. | ||
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On January 02 2015 14:02 Alakaslam wrote: I kount vot and stahp it ritoky (1): TheChyz (2): DoctorHelvetica (0): geript (6): marvellosity (0): Lazermonkey (0): IAmRobik (0): sicklucker (1): ritoky Vivax (2): Koshi, geript Batsnacks (7): Justanothertownie, Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[XP], Damdred, sicklucker, IAmRobik Not Voting: folks batsnacks is lynched. until deadline. Vivax (3): IAmRobik, marvellosity, Palmar, justanothertownie, artanis[xP], VisceraEyes, DoctorHelvetica, Sicklucker, geript, ritoky Superbia (4): artanis[xP], sicklucker, Damdred, Artanis[XP], sicklucker, marvellosity, justanothertownie IAmRobik (1): geript, Superbia sicklucker (0): ritoky, superbia TheChyz (0): Palmar geript (6): Vivax, Artanis[xP], DoctorHelvetica, Lazermonkey, palmar, VisceraEyes, justanothertownie, Artanis[XP] Geript is lynched. just posting this for myself one sec | ||
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On January 02 2015 14:02 Alakaslam wrote: I kount vot and stahp it ritoky (1): TheChyz (2): DoctorHelvetica (0): geript (6): marvellosity (0): Lazermonkey (0): IAmRobik (0): sicklucker (1): ritoky Vivax (2): Koshi, geript Batsnacks (7): Justanothertownie, Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[XP], Damdred, sicklucker, IAmRobik Not Voting: folks batsnacks is lynched. until deadline. On January 05 2015 14:12 Alakaslam wrote: I Count this vote sons Vivax (3): IAmRobik, [s]marvellosity, [s]Palmar, Superbia (4): IAmRobik (1): sicklucker (0): TheChyz (0): geript (6): Vivax, Geript is lynched. Deadline is in just posting this for myself one sec [/QUOTE] | ||
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On January 06 2015 01:47 marvellosity wrote: i could see you being a massive idiot hurtful. Anyway so I look at this game so far and we see D1 that the wagon is two townies so mafia doesn't really have to do anything, if you vote geript and leave it there you don't really have to do anything when the bats wagon starts. So did marv and palmar really do anything EOD, not really. so d2, both of them vote on viv but are pretty easily convinced to vote elsewhere, I didn't see effort put in at all in d2. Again with the lynch pretty firmly on geript there is no real reason to get involved. No it is n2, we have lots of vote information and plenty to go on and marv and palmar have an argument like. "you aren't pushing me so you are mafia" "why are you calling me scared , that makes you mafia" as far as i'm aware palmar and marv are good players and this ridiculous squabble is what they focus on. No I don't buy this argument for a second , it looks incredibly awkward and false. I could see a scum team that contains marv and palmar | ||
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On January 06 2015 02:08 sicklucker wrote: Opps I mean dandred thats my check ormorow ugh what do you mean? damdred is red? | ||
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alright fair enough. I have many reasons to doubt that SL is cop, his scummy play has been raised by me before, I have asked him to explain his inconsistencies and he has dodged my questions about his dam check. But if I entertain a world where SL is cop with a green on dam. then the bats wagon is almost guaranteed to be totally clean. unless artanis is mafia but I don't know I can't see a mafia voting in that position. But it also means that I have no reasons to TR LM and he also fits the mould of someone who has just left his vote on geript and not really contributed to the game in a meaningful way. In the world where SL is cop and dam is his green. I can see a scum team of something like this. Viv LM Super Marv Palmar | ||
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On January 06 2015 02:16 VisceraEyes wrote: There's almost 0% chance of marv/Palm being mafia together. Almost. Come talk to me again if one of them flips red though. why because of their bullshit girl slapping fight? You think the arguments they raise here are good?, it is the most pointless squabble I can imagine. you think marv and palmar are incapable of that? | ||
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On January 06 2015 02:19 justanothertownie wrote: You should probably listen to VE. It is likely that he has way more information than you do. I know VE is a way better player than me, so is like the entire thread. But as far as I'm aware this is the only significant marv/palmar interaction this game. In a game where neither of them have made many significant interactions and the arguments they present are the most irrelevant unconvincing things I have possibly read. If you can explain why it is impossible that two great mafia players can't pretend to argue then I will agree. | ||
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On January 06 2015 02:21 VisceraEyes wrote: No, but I rarely think the arguments Palmar brings are good. Or Marv, ask him how often I agree with his scumreads EVEN WHEN he provides reasoning. It's possible that they're mafia together, I gave a bullshit hyperbole statistic. It's probably closer to 75% against. Still though, I think there's at least one town inside them. Which, if there is one townie, do you think it is? alright fair enough If there is one of them that is town...I honestly don't know | ||
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On January 06 2015 02:24 VisceraEyes wrote: It's not impossible, just unlikely. Like, look: if they are mafia together then what is their objective here having a little hissy fight during the night-phase? Doesn't that just like...make them attractive cop checks? Or make them LESS likely to be medic saved? Doesn't coming in here and bitchfighting with each other draw NEGATIVE attention to them? So what is their goal? you make a solid point. I can see them trying to make up for a lack of input the first two days or potentially trying to distance themselves. But your argument is pretty good. if i had to pick one as town I would probably say marv is town | ||
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then with the fact that he has parked his vote on geript who we now know is town. I need to look at his play d2 because I was mostly focused on the people who voted bats/geript d2. | ||
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On January 01 2015 01:49 KelsierSC wrote: so Lazer monkey one of your main points about chyz is that he didn't have a town/scum read early on and didn't give it till someone pushed him, yet you are also unable to give a read on any of the 3 main protagonists in the early game. (eden, drh and rit) . So you are scum to? On January 02 2015 00:02 KelsierSC wrote: "this is what I should say to appear town" To me this sounds just like, if I defend myself I look scum, so im just going to act like ibwant to scum hunt. Really forced and formulaic statement. Also if you admit you sucked yesterday then how can the case on you be weak? Explain why the case is weak LM reason for voting geript, is there any real scum hunting from this guy? On January 02 2015 02:46 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm having doubts about Chyz as well. I do think his play is bad and I don't agree with almost anything he has said this fair. But I'm not sure that makes him scum. He could just as well be bad town. I don't disagree with your case DH in the sense that I think all of Chyz plays are wierd and/or bad but can you explain his actions from a scum PoV? If something doesn't make sense from a town PoV but also doesn't make sense as scum, I don't think its a good reason to lynch someone for. Granted, I would not be super sad if Chyz got lynched today. I do think he is a better lynch than say Robik. But I think geript is a much better lynch for today. ##Unvote ##Vote: geript I had a scum read on this guy d1 but didnt really focus him d2. I think it is time to reconsider him | ||
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On January 03 2015 22:41 Lazermonkey wrote: My objection to kill Vivax at this point is that he is still refusing to talk about all other lynch targets and keeps on defending himself and/or pushes for people who aren't getting lynched this decade. Couldn't scum Vivax try to hop on some easy target instead of Eden/jat? Though I don't think this is a super strong argument for Vivax either since it still would mean his town play is garbage. On January 04 2015 05:37 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm actually super cool with killing Vivax atm. But since everyone else is as well, and there is no point in town afk for 48 hours and agree how scummy we think Vivax is, we might as well talk about someone else. Like Damdred. Damdred is not chasing scum. He is answering everyone very politely when they ask him questions and he is always really fast to answer suspicion on him. This is not necessarily bad, both town and scum wants to survive and be polite. But when that is ALL you do then there is something seriously wrong. Reading the last two pages of filter he has three suspects, me, SL and DH. But none of us are even close to get lynched atm. So, why would you ever prioritizing answer questions instead of pushing your scum reads? So what does Damdred think of the other relavant stuff? Like the guy who is about to get lynched, Vivax? Well, noone knows. While Damdred does mention Vivax in some contexts, the only time he even comes remotely close to taking any stance on Vivax is in this post Not too impressive imo. BONUS FACT : Vivax never takes a stance on Damdred. Take that for what its worth but I think its very likely that we have both Vivax and Damdred as scum! sort of a weird switch around but ok. On January 05 2015 05:15 Lazermonkey wrote: So why is everyone suddenly hesitant about the Vivax wagon? I don't see what changed really. Vivax posted alot but he still focuses energy on unlynchable townies and making crazy reads. On January 05 2015 06:18 Lazermonkey wrote: Okay, fuck it. I like Vivax response to me. Its true I missread some stuff about him. I often do that (you can check my other games if you want to confirm that). His response felt very genuine though, he was really really mad. Like town mad. I'll kill geript then. A lot of waffle and switching around between vivax and geript, again there is no real scum hunting here in my opinion he doesnt like viv makes some posts but..fuck it lets kill geript. ok... disappears, this guy has been an irrelevant ghost along with a bad voting pattern and no legitimate scum hunting or genuine reasons for switching his reads | ||
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I would also lynch Super and Rit As for Viv, well his D2 play and the strange start to the day really threw me. I think with geript flipping town though he has to be up for major consideration. a lot of what I read depends on SL, I think he is scum though. I don't know what the fuck his cop bullshit is but he has dodged my questions on it , it is full of inconsistencies. His play overall has been an attempt to clear himself as often as possible, along with other players, by applying bad logic and WIFOM. He has constantly acted like he has played well and led town or been massively influential, this overstating is really tiring and I don't think he believes it.. I don't believe the claim at all. but in the world where he is an awful cop I can see a scum team of where they have just sort of coasted by and let town go round in circles. Marv Palmar LM Super ...+ viv or rit maybe, unsure of this. my town would be Robik, JAT, artanis, DrH I like VE aswell but I just don't have the data on him and it is really a "tone" read more than anything. GB has now got internet access again and I look forward to getting his perspective on the game for realz. if you have been forgotten, please dont be rustled | ||
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On January 06 2015 03:13 IAmRobik wrote: Nah. I'm lynching Vivax...I'm just leaving the avenue open to possibly lynch you tomorrow if my uncontrollably big dick decides to swing in that general direction lol | ||
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On January 06 2015 03:15 marvellosity wrote: LM has an ok shot of being mafia. ritoky and superbia have better shots. what about viv? | ||
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On January 06 2015 03:19 Damdred wrote: A few things @jat, I am doing a few things about the house and some of the people I asked to look at what I posted about ve yesterday like robik told me no he wouldn't. So I asked him to now. @ve I'm not sure why you think this about me personally when I never go after people personally after games unless they just fuck off in lylo then I say bad show. Other than that I can't remember the last time I really built a case against you and did this, in fact in metal mafai which we just played I pushed against your lynch all day? In the larger game where you were inventor you tunneled me all game. Please stop lying though to make me look bad. @kel, why didn't you push lm yesterday I thought you were ok with him because he was pushing me through part of the day Hey dam, yeh my focus yesterday was on the people who late voted on bats/geript because that came off as really scummy to me. LM also voted on geript who at the time I believed was scum. He also pushed you and you seemed pretty scummy to me. Now it turns out geript is town I am working things out and hence why I have returned to my scum read on LM. Do you like the case? | ||
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and i was focused on geript. | ||
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Yeh I just got to work I will read what you wrote but honestly the most important thing to me right now is the cop checks | ||
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On January 06 2015 23:25 Vivax wrote: And you didn't read my points on SL. I had such hopes into you. ugh...I don't really know what you were doing in that whole conversation with him. It didn't feel like a super good argument. I think we lynch rit/super/LM and that gives us more info on viv. | ||
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if there is a chance they believe SL to be the cop then isn't the right play to just use the 1KP that night and let the medic save him, then tonight they can kill SL and any confirmed towns. So this implies they absolutely know for sure that SL isn't the real cop unless they believe the vigi is going to get lynched today of course. | ||
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On January 06 2015 23:50 GlowingBear wrote: I don't remember exactly why now but he is town ugggghhhhhhhhghghghghghghghhhhhhhh no, | ||
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On January 06 2015 23:52 marvellosity wrote: I think you think about nks too much I will say I don't think I can remember an occasion where mafia held on to their vigi shots when they had them. People just like to kill when they have KP available to them, generally speaking. fair enough. | ||
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I think with geript and bats both being town the vote on geript was likely all town. I guess this just means SL was just not that good which was unfortunate. Ibdont think my pressure was unwarranted on him but a lot of town think he's town, his cop claim really makes no fucking sense and moving onto bats as mafia there also makes no sense. I think a team of Lm,super,Viv, palmar and .... Is my top scum team right now | ||
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you have both this game made a big deal about filter length, super has a 5 page filter and a lot of it is him almost over defending himself against Robik's reasonable scumread on him. So I would imagine he would be pretty high on both your lynch list. marv you also voted on super d2 and Viv when I asked you who you would lynch between rit and super you said "super" you look at the votes on super. Marv it contains you, JAT who was town, SL (marv you read as town) and then Dam who I think is almost def town if SL is town. I guess my question is what make ritoky a better lynch than super. | ||
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On January 07 2015 21:19 marvellosity wrote: I thought Super's EoD d2 was a bit better than ritoky's. Then again I think they're both very likely mafia. But ritoky called me mafia so him dying first would be best. what did you like about his EoD d2? I think it was awful. | ||
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Has Super projected town at all this game? No He goes far enough to say that Robik must be scum and votes him then doesn't move his vote. He doesn't move his vote end of d2 but wastes it on Robik | ||
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but is your LM town read based on him switching his mind on you? or is there something else to it. | ||
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so then my team would be like Super,Rit,Palmar,Viv and ... | ||
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On January 08 2015 03:33 Lazermonkey wrote: The fact that Vivax freaked about this so much actually makes me feel kinda good about him. I guess this isn't impossible to fake as scum but I have a harder time thinking that scum would "fake" to freak out about some retarded fact, like this, than town would. This is a really bad read Robik you town read this guy because he switched his mind on you? or are there other reasons? | ||
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On January 08 2015 05:58 ritoky wrote: le sigh. you guys should really move your votes off me. ok out your checks then bro | ||
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On January 08 2015 06:25 ritoky wrote: no it was during day phase. i didn't color him because my personal read GREATLY conflicts with my check yeh i know I was just testing you , shit | ||
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On January 08 2015 06:28 Lazermonkey wrote: To everyone saying ritoky is scum for having bad checks, why would scum want to fakeclaim bad checks? Bad checks are bad (hurr durr) as either alignment so why would that make him scum? his checks don't incriminate anyone or solve the game or even make sense. He checks DrH who is universally town read d1 and through the rest of the game. he checks SL who he thinks is going to be a likely frame target, so he says "green but i still think he is mafia" | ||
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On January 08 2015 07:15 IAmRobik wrote: if we lynch outside me/ritoky today, it's gonna be aweomse tomorrow as you get to decide which cop you believe based off of 2 different checks. I doubt I survive the night regardless, but meh that is kind of why I want to lynch outside | ||
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On January 08 2015 07:28 ritoky wrote: 100% chance i am not mafia. i am an uncc'd cop. get your claim shit out of the thread, you already rescinded because i posted 6 very clear reasons and you folded. you in the qt coaching someone else to cc me? mad at teammates cuz they forced you to fake a cc? tough life. that isn't how I read the game at all | ||
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On January 08 2015 07:28 ritoky wrote: 100% chance i am not mafia. i am an uncc'd cop. get your claim shit out of the thread, you already rescinded because i posted 6 very clear reasons and you folded. you in the qt coaching someone else to cc me? mad at teammates cuz they forced you to fake a cc? tough life. if you are the cop why does Robik CC you there. your two checks one is dead and the other one you cast aspersions on , think they are mafia that has been framed. why don't they just kill you and lynch anyone else | ||
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On January 08 2015 07:31 Vivax wrote: Yes the palyer who has been pushing like crazy for SL to be lynched, the SL you checked and came back framed in your opinion. in fairness there was like 0% chance that SL got lynched today. Kind of a common theme with most of your targets d2 - JAT and Robik d3 - SL apparently | ||
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On January 08 2015 07:32 ritoky wrote: he rescinded his claim already holy shit how many times i gotta say it: JESUS HE IS NOT COP you are stating Robik could be mafia with your rhetorical questions and I feel obliged to tell you why that is highly unlikely | ||
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On January 08 2015 07:29 Palmar wrote: vivax-ritoky-superbia-damdred-ksc? Seems sort of reasonable. also lines up with what I know if I just assume marv is town. gb I read today and thought he could be town sl I think is town because of shenanigans artanis and drh I have no idea bout but I townread them both on day 1. i'm town, and robik is in this scenario town. only leaves Chezinu as the wildcard. i'm going to assume you are adding me there because you haven't read the thread. | ||
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On January 08 2015 07:39 Damdred wrote: Before I get into rits claim which i don't believe, I think Robik really threw it out the window with the vote analysis stuff. Palmar did you read all of my filter or just the d1 stuff? is throwing out the window good or bad? | ||
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If we lynch super we hit mafia and then if robik dies we can lynch rit easily tomorrow and if he lives we get loads more info. | ||
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I think Palmar is likely mafia aswell 5th one is hard to pick but I would say viv is likely mafia at this point. | ||
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On January 08 2015 09:55 ritoky wrote: didn't check eden, checked drH the fuck you talking about? =) so can you give me your scum team then? ...it needs to be more than just Robik | ||
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On January 08 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote: By the way if Kelsier isn't really the cop I'll be lynching him tomorrow lol | ||
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On January 08 2015 10:19 IAmRobik wrote: joey's good. Plus, he's fun to n0. He actually palyed really well last night on all stars. yeh I know I was just jking because everyone shits on joey =) | ||
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On January 08 2015 10:30 sicklucker wrote: Like at least I softed my lm check I tried so hard! softing on a check that you didnt make which was going to be a fake check anyway to cover your real fake check of dam. genius | ||
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On January 08 2015 10:32 Superbia wrote: The fact that virtually everyone wants to lynch me (with retarded reasons) should say enough if you're town. Whatever, the game is over anyway because apparently town is unable to evaluate a lurker. To the people saying I haven't done anything: go kill yourself. Look at the people who pushed on me after I flip. give me a summary of what you have done. | ||
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a) what you think you have done that will help us evaluate you? b) who you want to lynch? again if you are going to get pissy because we cant read you apparently then when you finally post it should be helping us read you town | ||
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On January 08 2015 10:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Palmar's case on Damdred is okay if a bit selective and quite incomplete. One thing I don't like is how he points out how Damdred went against the flow with his feel on the Dr.H/Ritoky thing yet he townreads others like Vivax/LM/GB that do the same. A bit selective. I'm tempted to swap Palmar and Damdred's locations on my list but a scumteam of Superbia/Ritoky/Damdred/Vivax/Lazermonkey getting this far and making it past balancing is hard to imagine. Ritoky's checks are so bad it's hard to imagine him actually faking them. Like he went to scumqt and said "Hey guys I'm faking cop and I'm claiming "DrH n1 was green SL n2 was green". and then claim I still don't believe my own SL check. Sounds good right?" "Sure, that's cool and totally not retarded to claim green checks on two people everyone thought were town." I can see ritoky making a hail mary play to survive. if someone said, rit you just should just claim cop to try and 1-1 because you are probably getting lynched today. Then he makes checks which don't incriminate anyone. Note how he prefaces the SL check with thoughts that a framer probably was on him. WHY CHECK HIM THEN! Dam and LM can't be scum together imo | ||
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On January 08 2015 10:48 Superbia wrote: I literally can't be bothered anymore. I have given my reads yesterday, I saw some cop shit today but I can't be bothered reading it all. I just want to peace out and watch a movie. What have I done? I lurked day 1 and hoped to take a rolebullet. I correctly identified some nonsensical reads in SL/lazer's filters and called them out for it. I pushed on some other people. Albeit barely. Did I play more poorly than usual? No doubt. I have barely put any time into the game, and I probably deserve to get lynched for it. But my analysis on SL and on lazer was spot on and no one has any right to call me out on that. I have no one to lynch because I have no idea where the fuck the game is at or who the mafia are. what about your "best post in the last 12 hours" read on Robik? now he is cc'ing cop and you aren't even curious? | ||
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On January 08 2015 17:51 Lazermonkey wrote: Sorry, but ritoky's alignment dosen't change my pm. Okay, but you agreed with Damdred that my vote made me look bad when it is in facto 100% consistent with my play and reads. Now, you may disagree with some of my reads. But thats not why I was attacked. You have been pretty anti a super lynch most of the game if I recall. yesterday the only options were super and ritoky so if ritoky is mafia it doesn't really help your case. | ||
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On January 08 2015 17:52 Lazermonkey wrote: This also. Damdred is anything but clear atm. he is pretty clear. The bats vote likely to be 100% town he voted super d2 he voted super d3 | ||
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On January 08 2015 19:20 marvellosity wrote: what's the use in asking this? right, i best go read what i missed because I am trying to figure out who the mafia is wtf | ||
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On January 08 2015 19:38 marvellosity wrote: there are about seven thousand million, five hundred thousand and forty nine better ways of finding mafia than cop-hunting in the night phase. Just sayin. im not cop hunting I want LM, specifically, to tell me who the cop is | ||
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On January 08 2015 20:07 DarthPunk wrote: What do people think about robik at the moment? read the thread | ||
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If he says Robik is cop then he can't explain why he aligns with ritoky and pushed on Dam and he has to read robik as cop tomorrow if he says Ritoky is cop he can't explain why he was so fine with a ritoky lynch yesterday and said he would be fine with a ritoky lynch | ||
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On January 08 2015 20:20 marvellosity wrote: this is really interesting, i'll go corroborate myself at lunch or something. what? | ||
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On January 08 2015 05:04 Lazermonkey wrote: Okay after after reading superbias and ritoky I think that they both look very bad. But superbia is not here which makes me feel meh about lynching him. I'd rather wait untill he responds before I kill him. #vote: ritoky On January 08 2015 07:07 Lazermonkey wrote: Okay so I guess we kill ritoky. Doesn't make sense that Robik is faking this one ##Unvote ##Vote: ritoky then you look through his filter and he clearly thinks Dam is mafia etc and is aligned with ritoky pretty early. | ||
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On January 08 2015 20:37 DarthPunk wrote: Man stop being such a Debby Downer. Seriously. /squelch | ||
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On January 04 2015 05:37 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm actually super cool with killing Vivax atm. But since everyone else is as well, and there is no point in town afk for 48 hours and agree how scummy we think Vivax is, we might as well talk about someone else. Like Damdred. Damdred is not chasing scum. He is answering everyone very politely when they ask him questions and he is always really fast to answer suspicion on him. This is not necessarily bad, both town and scum wants to survive and be polite. But when that is ALL you do then there is something seriously wrong. Reading the last two pages of filter he has three suspects, me, SL and DH. But none of us are even close to get lynched atm. So, why would you ever prioritizing answer questions instead of pushing your scum reads? So what does Damdred think of the other relavant stuff? Like the guy who is about to get lynched, Vivax? Well, noone knows. While Damdred does mention Vivax in some contexts, the only time he even comes remotely close to taking any stance on Vivax is in this post Not too impressive imo. BONUS FACT : Vivax never takes a stance on Damdred. Take that for what its worth but I think its very likely that we have both Vivax and Damdred as scum! On January 07 2015 09:15 Lazermonkey wrote: I can probably kill Super today. I have to look into Ritoky. Damdred might be a good kill aswell. | ||
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On January 08 2015 20:48 DarthPunk wrote: Anyone else think the (Limited) interactions between Kelsier and Superbia look fake? do you? | ||
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On January 08 2015 20:58 DarthPunk wrote: anyway Im done for the night. Catch ya. great contribution dont come back | ||
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On January 09 2015 00:09 IAmRobik wrote: nah. it was WAYYYYY after SL's claim. It was 1hour before EOD, and people hopped off of you and spread between geript/superbia 6 hours before EOD. Actually should go back and look at that vote too to see who was on super vs who was on geript. Would also be interesting to see who was on vivax that moved over to super. Those people are very likely town because i don't think scum jump from scum to scum or even town to scum when they can jump onto town!geript think marv did this | ||
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On January 09 2015 00:47 Vivax wrote: Yes he saw the votecount, super 3 votes, he saw people wanting to switch to super, and didn't switch with JAT and you. Which is what I'm bringing up since that fucking point. I didn't know what the vote count was either, plus he was modding a mafia game. I think Robik was one of the most outspoken against Super d2. | ||
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On January 09 2015 00:55 IAmRobik wrote: Let's just pretend that it's vivax/superbia/ritoky who are the other two? is it like lazer/palmar gg? yep | ||
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On January 05 2015 13:39 Vivax wrote: JAT, kelsier, need to know if you will switch to Robik. Don't want superbia since marv is there and he only recently started playing for realsies. | ||
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Dam became a town read after geript flipped town and because the two of you are opposite alignments. Plus I think he had a towny d3 but mostly the first two reasons | ||
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On January 09 2015 06:26 Lazermonkey wrote: This really strikes me as a comment comming from someone who is actively trying to figure out the game + Show Spoiler + I have repeated myself over and over against the same types of argument. well like I don't really think I can say more except I disagree with you. I have presented scummy things about you, so has dam. you will of course disagree with them but I haven't intended to misinterpret you or lied about what you said it is just how I read the game. I will reevaluate the game again after the night kills but for right now I think you are mafia. | ||
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On January 09 2015 07:09 Lazermonkey wrote: Ah, I see. The good ol' "Lazermonkey is scum for not playing the game the way I want it to be played"-argument! Never fails to impress. LM I am just asking you a simple question | ||
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On January 09 2015 07:11 Lazermonkey wrote: Yes, and I will not answer your question. I already said that! ok, but you see why saying you "refuted my arguments" is non sensical when you can't even answer a simple question. At the moment it seems to me that you dug yourself a hole and so you can't actually call either side cop without incriminating yourself. But if you just answered who it was with a solid reason that helps me when I come to reevaluate the game. | ||
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On January 09 2015 07:17 Vivax wrote: So instead of taking the scum in front of you, you prefer to get checks that could be either a miller or be framed to lynch another scum that isn't ritoky? Please sell that story to somebody on papua new guinea but don't insult my intelligene. viv every single extra check gives us more information to figure out the game with. | ||
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On January 09 2015 07:25 Lazermonkey wrote: Its not like I'm not trying to figure it out though... alright man let me know when you have it I'm not trying to misrepresent you LM it is just how I read the game, I am going to reevaluate after the night kills and the checks so I just as much info as possible | ||
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On January 09 2015 17:36 sicklucker wrote: Ya maybe we kill Lm. Like he did slip in day 2... gonna filter dive him while I got a buzz I like this idea a lot, or we can kill vivax I like the idea of having 4 confirmed around to lead the lynch today ##unvote SL whoever you vote out of viv or LM i will vote | ||
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On January 05 2015 06:18 Lazermonkey wrote: Okay, fuck it. I like Vivax response to me. Its true I missread some stuff about him. I often do that (you can check my other games if you want to confirm that). His response felt very genuine though, he was really really mad. Like town mad. I'll kill geript then. | ||
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On January 09 2015 17:53 sicklucker wrote: Ya ok they can be a mafia team just dived into the vote thread. He bused him in thread but never in votes. When 7 people voted vivax at the start of day 2 he helped get that wagon off of him. At this point I think its vivax,lm+1 agreed | ||
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On January 09 2015 18:06 sicklucker wrote: Well if you think dandred as confirmed and you know your town then you really do have auto. Mafia are you reading this? you can concede unfortunately I am not confirmed so I still have to convince you fuckers | ||
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I was going to instant lock ritoky but I read robik's post, read your post SL and thought about it some more and it doesn't make sense to lynch him right away. We can figure this out when we have the most confirmed. Now some of you don't believe that Dam is confirmed town but I am confident enough in my reads to say that he is d1 - why does he late vote on bats when the wagon is two towns d1/n1 - he analyses superbia and calls him out early. d2/d3 - votes on superbia d3 - his list post mirrors exactly what I am thinking in this game he gets pushed on by LM and then ritoky (confirmed scum) jumps in and says, "that is a great reason dam could be mafia" rit has dam as a possible from then onwards. For this reason I basically think LM is confirmed scum aswell considering that LM and dam are 99% opposite alignments. In which case I am happy to vote viv who is the other choice. Koshi,JAT and Robik have all called him mafia. d1 he just leaves his vote on thechyz when the wagon is between two towns. The lynch on d2 got taken away from him. The vote had geript, super and viv and despite JAT making a good point on vivax there was never quite enough pressure to swing it off to vivax or super. He has been mafia sided too many times this game. ##vote Vivax | ||
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Ag the moment I dont like Viv,palmar,lm Def town SL,dam,artanis,drh Sorry I was inactive , I'm surprised more people didn't vote Viv. . | ||
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I scanned through the thread from when things got busy and I can't make up my mind on viv. He has been scum read by everyone who I read as town and a lot of people who scum read him are dead. Then he has scum sided quite a few times. But you see him being pretty active and he never seems afraid to push his own thoughts and reads, even when they are wrong. I voted on him last day but I am having like 8th thoughts on this guy. I really hate what I read from GB, it seems very off beat from how I read the game but I need to go and specifically filter dive his reads and see what is happening there. LM and Palmar I still read as scum and I didn't read anything that changed that. I would lynch LM and Palmar over GB at this point just because LM is against GB and LM is probably my top scum read. | ||
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On January 14 2015 05:39 Damdred wrote: I like your post kel. have you read lm from ritokys lynch till now? yeh i'm reading him now, I don't like his reasons for reading GB scum. He also did this thing which is like "I am reevaluating my reads, call me town now" | ||
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On January 14 2015 05:47 Lazermonkey wrote: The day when superbia got lynched. I think there is a clear scum motive to try to keep superbia alive rather than ritoky. Ritoky was going to die no matter what because of his claim. So you think the superbia lynch was pure town then? | ||
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On January 14 2015 05:58 Palmar wrote: Based on what? This is a surprisingly strong read for someone who is basically one of the top 2-3 players in the history of mafia and has done jack shit this game. Now stones, glass houses, etc, but that's not the point. I remember he made a smart post about the order of my lynches on d2 which I liked initially. Then his votes look pretty good. I think almost everyone who was confirmed town has read marv as town aswell and his filter is pretty large so all in all he is a town read for me and not the lynch at all. | ||
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On January 14 2015 05:59 Palmar wrote: Stop gathering support for a bad lynch and do things that aren't bad pls. I am asking a question not gathering support. I want to know what he says | ||
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On January 14 2015 06:41 GlowingBear wrote: How do you know day1 wagons were both town? ... because they flipped as town. | ||
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On January 14 2015 06:44 Palmar wrote: Ksc, you have to stop thinking I'm mafia. Stop ignoring me even if you're mafia you need to talk to me. yah that question about damdred was to you aswell. | ||
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On January 14 2015 06:45 Palmar wrote: well yes. I think these people are town vivax gb palmar artanis ~~~ less sure below sl lm ~~~ maybe scum below damdy ksc chez marv ..I like the artanis read. I disagree with everything else completely. | ||
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On January 14 2015 06:50 Palmar wrote: In short. Whenever Vivax has been around he has posted almost hyper actively. He's not afraid to push whatever comes into his mind and he also called me smart at some point I liked that. This is my disclaimer if he's mafia, that i'm a sucker for people calling me smart. gb because of filter dive, and he always looks like he's sort of assertive when he posts. Also this jig now voting me seems fairly town. Artanis is basically a legacy read. Also I liked that superbia post. And then there's the thing that if artanis is mafia we lost anyway, so doesn't even matter. sl because of cop shenanigans and filter the size of my hands. And you know what they say about people with big hands + Show Spoiler + they need big gloves lm because of what I said earlier and because I've townread him at times throughout the game. He's still a background player I've ignroed so if I'm wrong a lot, possibly mafia. The remaining 4 people have done almost nothing memorable in this game. Chez hasn't solved the game for me which makes me sad. Ksc and Damdred are shitty background players who I feel like have had way too little impact on the game. And then there's marv, who's mafia because I say so. so mean | ||
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The question is viv/GB. I have to figure that out when GB answers my Dam question properly. I am going to vote palmar now and try and be around for deadline. Reasons - Has been my scum read for a long time since his first initial fight with marv that was really bad. - He has a total opposite list of reads to me - He has done absolutely nothing this game except fight with marv. - He votes on geript twice and afk's, for the first two days. The AFK first two days is consistent with the other mafia players in the game. (super,rit,LM) - two of my top town are voting on him ##vote Palmar | ||
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Palmar, votes on ritoky (the reason that GB is mafia) Palmar thinks Dam is mafia , LM doesn't think Dam is mafia. Yet he still has no palmar read Palmar hasn't done anything towny Palmar town reads GB, GB is LM's top scum read LM not scum reading Palmar makes no sense to me at all at this point. | ||
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On January 14 2015 07:58 Damdred wrote: Marc is a side read for you lm. Before you included him in a list of unlynchable, now you say he looks bad with little follow up and now you will put your vote on him till deadline that's what I mean. This is good | ||
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Then despite "dams scummy play massively outweighs his town" he suddenly has dam as town when he realised he wasn't getting dam lynched Now today Gb is def mafia apparently because he didn't push super d1 or d2...ok I'm not sure anyone really did d1. The rest of reasons dont make sense to me either. He voted on ritoky...ok but so did palmar , more on that later. And his poe is not many others can be scum...well he is lynching Marv,palmar he isn't sure , I could be scum from his pov, Viv iz a question. The reasoning iz poor. Finally by his logic palmar should be a scum read of his yet he willingly sheeps him onto Marv rather than got Gb or press him. I gave reasons why lm shud scum read palmar. Lynch lm today | ||
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On January 14 2015 09:30 GlowingBear wrote: Can you give reasons again of why LM should scumread palmar? I can't cop paste my own filter stuff on my phone It I there though | ||
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Essentially if you have a red that person scum read you before they died. , if you have a green that person town read you before they died. If you feel that I didn't put a read on then that is ok. I haven't included replacements because I just don't count their reads Artanis being universally town read means that his reads will give a +/- 1 either way when he gives his list. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vLuauVz.png?1) To me there is no way that SL is mafia in this game. we have to lynch vivax at some point. | ||
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On January 14 2015 10:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: The only way Vivax is scum is in bizarro world where Slam sent him the wrong role pm and he actually thinks he's town. That's actually not too farfetched tbh. Maybe we should lynch him just in case Slam did. did you get to my chart yet? | ||
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On January 14 2015 10:50 GlowingBear wrote: Lol watch out for modkill. No really. When someone scumreads a person but refuses to vote him, just to vote with the major players target (LM) he is scum. Just vote palmar and let him flip red. but LM hard scum reads you and just voted on marv | ||
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On January 14 2015 10:53 GlowingBear wrote: Because nobody was voting with him. Different contexts palmar was just voting on him and vivax has a vote on him. at the time that was the thread inclination if I recall. so you think LM is town then? | ||
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On January 14 2015 13:58 liancourt wrote: I Count this vote Pocahontas Palmar (5): Lazermonkey (4): GlowingBear (0): Marvellosity (1): damdred (0): sicklucker (0): Not Voting: - Currently Palmar is set to be lynched. Deadline is in | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:30 Vivax wrote: Artanis, I'd lynch GB before I lynch Palmar at this point. Although the information argument would be tempting, but I prefer to sheep DP than lynch a guy for information. On January 14 2015 11:48 Vivax wrote: SL JUST CLAIMED SCUM. FUCKING VOTE HIM I think this is a critical post On January 14 2015 10:59 Vivax wrote: Artanis, if we can't get marv lynched, I'll sheep you, but I won't sheep marv, so you are not allowed to vote the same target as him. A summary He doesn't really want to lynch palmar and he scum reads GB&SL. Yet he decides to vote on the same person as his two scum reads? Then he basically gives himself a way to sheep artanis, unless artanis votes on the same person as marv...hmm I wonder who that is. oh wait it is his scum partner LM. and now apparently marv is def mafia...he doesn't give a shit about the people who just fucking voted on town. Lynch this dude | ||
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On January 14 2015 21:24 KelsierSC wrote: Reasons why Vivax is scum, you can see it EOD I think this is a critical post A summary He doesn't really want to lynch palmar and he scum reads GB&SL. Yet he decides to vote on the same person as his two scum reads? Then he basically gives himself a way to sheep artanis, unless artanis votes on the same person as marv...hmm I wonder who that is. oh wait it is his scum partner LM. and now apparently marv is def mafia...he doesn't give a shit about the people who just fucking voted on town. Lynch this dude | ||
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On January 14 2015 21:24 KelsierSC wrote: Reasons why Vivax is scum, you can see it EOD I think this is a critical post A summary He doesn't really want to lynch palmar and he scum reads GB&SL. Yet he decides to vote on the same person as his two scum reads? Then he basically gives himself a way to sheep artanis, unless artanis votes on the same person as marv...hmm I wonder who that is. oh wait it is his scum partner LM. and now apparently marv is def mafia...he doesn't give a shit about the people who just fucking voted on town. Lynch this dude You could respond to this or just keel saying I'm "disconnected from the thread." | ||
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On January 15 2015 06:23 Vivax wrote: Marv was my top scumread. Ever looked at the votecount SL? Didn't you vote on palmar...you know the guy who was town. Along with Gb and sl who you scum read eod. | ||
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I see you vote on the town. I see something that doesn't make sense and i want to bring it up. I see 4 confirmed town who call you scum. I see you fiving yourself an excuse to nit vote lm. You see why from my perspective I think your scum and want to talk about it. That is what I am doing. | ||
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It wasn't magic I gave clear reasons for my change. I read geript as scum so I looked at people who late switched to bats. SL seemed scummy. Then geript flips town. So why does mafia late hammer a town when the vote is two towns. I listen to jat and robin and thy make good points why sl Is town. Hence my read changes. See, reasons not magic | ||
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On January 15 2015 03:58 Vivax wrote: Need to make a writeup and rethink everything through before night ends to consider all possible scenarios, but first wanna see how some people perform this night. I think I made my point clear already from looking at everything that happened during EoD and night start. I mean, I didn't even mention this and marv just glosses over it, there's one minute between these posts and I don't see a townie being in trolly mood after a town lynch: Is this what you mean? | ||
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On January 15 2015 09:26 Vivax wrote: Kelsier I don't care what you write there cause I adapt to new information and draw a full picture that makes sense and you just pick single posts supposed to make me look bad. Game solved, gg nore I am looking at the important points in the game. You vote a town , alongside two of your scumreads SL and GB. You deliberately give yourself an out to not vote lm You scum read Marv, palmar scum reads Marv... I know lets vote palmar along with my other scumreads If you are town, 4 confirmed town are wrong on you and those confirmed town who gave a read on me called me town as well! Your mafia team makes no sense ad I have pushed on lm all game. Your reason for me being scumnis because I townread sl. Yeh well your arguments weren't very good, sorry. Your mafia,lm is mafia | ||
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In this situation where a town got mislynched. Tomorrow its 5 vs 3 and mafia can win that day with a mislynch. If lazer was lynched yesterday and he is mafia. Then tomorrow it is 6 town vs 2 mafia. If mislynch then it goes to 4 town and 2 mafia and mafia will require another mislynch and a day to win the game. If you want to explain why mafia adds an extra day and tries to get 2 mislynches in a row with less people then go ahead. | ||
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On January 15 2015 10:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: There's a few bobs and screws left that I don't fully understand myself. That is one of them. My best guess is that you felt the bus would get you enough cred to make this argument. Had Lazer lynched Marv, Lazer would have a great chance of surviving the entire game. Same goes to a lesser extent for you and Marv on LM. It's sacrificing time for a better shot at winning at endgame. You think mafia do all this, have an extra day make extra night kills to give town info all for vote cred, and have to get 2 mislynches. When instead they can just get a town lynched and then win the next day by convincing 1 member of town to vote with them. | ||
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They came up with the lm,me,Marv team at exactly the same time and I don't know if scum does that. Plus it would mean LM is town and it is mafia going for the win and i don't see that either | ||
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You will see that my reasoning is consistent. Inwas unsure of SL after geript flipped town I listened to Jay and tobik and I ended up town reading him. | ||
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Geript flipped town and it didn't make sense for a mafia to late vote in that situation. Robik and JAT made good posts about why you are town. There maybe other people I town read who made good points on you but I cant remember. I haven't copied your reads I think I have pushed my own thoughts independently. If you want evidence of my town. Look at what Viv Just copied. My scum list - LM, super and ritoky | ||
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I've explained my reasons, I dont see how this makes me scum | ||
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You seem desperate to call me scum for things that I have explained and aren't scummy. | ||
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I had no fucking clue who was the cop. I asked SL if he was reclaiming cop because he said he was going to. I mean you keep asking the same questions I'm going to give the same answers | ||
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On January 15 2015 11:43 Vivax wrote: And what about Robik convinced you that SL could be town? The obviously trolly post from Robik? Hard to believe when you were scumreading SL for harder reasons. N2/d3 I was reevaluating the game , my main reason for scum reading sl was I thought geript was mafia and sl late voted bats to save geript. this theory made no sense after geript flipped town. I was town reading robik and he was townreading SL I can't remember the reason but I trusted robik. I cant filter dive right now as I'm on the phone but I remember liking the reason | ||
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On January 15 2015 11:44 Vivax wrote: Yes but you just used the argument that LM is mafia before he even flipped to prove you're town. TMI. I'm 100% confident LM is mafia so yeh when he flips mafia it proves I'm town so. | ||
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On January 15 2015 11:48 sicklucker wrote: Is their no safe play lynch? one on both sides? Yeh lynch LM Viv is going for the win trying to lynch me even though his while theory of me being mafia is that LM is mafia too and I bussed him. Also artanis I think you said the first person to blink.first and not vote LM was slmafia right. But you sheep Viv voting on me. | ||
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On January 15 2015 11:50 Vivax wrote: Yes show me all the reasons you saw from Robik and JAT between the last post where you scumread SL and the start of D3. I doubt you will be able to talk yourself out of this. Talk myself out of what. I townread JAT and robik and they along with the d1 votes convinced me sl was town. I don't remember it exactly because it was a while ago but i remember reevaluating the game and concluded SL was town. My reasoning is consistent. Your argument is that "hat and robik cant have convinces you!" Well they a d the votes and my brain did. | ||
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On January 15 2015 11:57 Vivax wrote: Yeah sure, wishy washy story, not backed up by quotes, claiming you don't remember against my ironclad case. Talk about your scumteam then. LM, then? Me? Then? Did you read my scumgames? well I am on a phone so filter diving and quoting is very difficult. Thankfully you provided the quotes to show that Robik and Jat did indeed town read SL. Your "ironclad case" boils down to the fact that in your eyes I can't have been convinced that SL was town after I read him as mafia. Firstly. Geript flipping town and arguments from my other town reads convinced me. I haven't lied about that Secondly , more importantly, why the hell does this make me mafia? As for the other people. My reasons for LM are pretty well documented in my filter. Then I can add in the fact that he was the opposite lynch to palmar who was town. It seems likely to me that the vote was swung to save LM for one more day so mafia can win today. I think he is mafia, so do you. pretty much confirms him imo. you have now decided to lynch me over LM. Despite the fact that me being mafia rests on the fact that LM is also mafia. you deliberately provided yourself a get out clause to not lynch LM yesterday. The third mafia I think it is GB/Artanis GB fits in well because you voted with him despite the fact that you scum read him, and LM said "gb is mafia" but then was like fuck it lynch marv. felt like a bus. plus I don't like his reads. Artanis not dying is really odd, plus he said something like "LM is the best vote and we see who blinks first" you blink first by voting me and he decides to sheep you despite the fact your argument is terrible. Plus I make a good case on why bussing LM yesterday would be terrible as mafia has to spend an extra day and has to convince more town with less mafia. yet he stil agrees with the theory. The only thing about Artanis and you is you both come up with the marv/lm/me thing at the same time and that feels unlikely from scum. | ||
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Where I am right now.. LM is mafia Viv is mafia then GB/Artanis is mafia I will make more detailed posts about it tomorrow when I have a computer but my phone battery is ded gaem. vote LM, viv is already proven mafia for not voting LM. ##vote Lazermonkey | ||
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D1 - The main push comes from Koshi, a lot of people agree with the read but vivax is never up for discussion really. Here is the case. On January 02 2015 18:27 Koshi wrote: This is a 100% bullshit post from Vivax. There is no way town Vivax thinks like this. Vivax also slipped in his own bullshit by saying the red bolded. That's enough to read Vivax 100% scum. The entire post is such bullshit. VIVAX IS SMART. Yet "he wonders why" or "he can't grasp" very simple stuff. This is not town Vivax Other reason to why Vivax is scum: You have to understand Vivax posted this on page 59. While the batsnacks thing happened on page 57. So Vivax is 2 pages behind. Yet he says this: This is 4 hours later. HOW IS VIVAX NOT CAUGHT UP YET? Vivax is bullshitting you people. He is playing you with this entire "I am not caught up" bullshit. He is using it to not draw too much attention to him. Or that people expect him to participate in the ongoing lynch. Vivax did not touch geript immediately when entering the thread. Vivax is a town leader. Vivax is smart. Vivax is the true detective. Vivax was in this thread for multiple hours and did not touch geript. There is no excuse for a townplayer who was "contributing" to not touch geript. He quoted something from batsnacks and Lazermonkey on page 57. Everything around geript happened already. Why is he not participating in the moment? But he has time to to ask marv 2-3 times why marv wanted Vivax to come to the thread. But Vivax never does anything with marv ignoring him. Or explain why it is important. WHY is it important marv wondered if Vivax would come back? Do you think Vivax would have produced some sick meta read on marv if marv replied? Nope. It was a bullshit random question. Dat adhom. Ok. Now you can die. I made it pretty obvious that my suspicion wasn't because Vivax was inactive on NYE. This is the second or third post in which Vivax says "that he doesn't understand" why people are thinking he might be scum. Even if he disagrees with the reason why people read Vivax as scum. He should at least have a grasp on why it is. Or at least question it. Look it up. But no. This game Vivax is from Barcelona and he knows nothing. Also notice how he leaves the thread making 4-5 joke posts and making himself popular? If Vivax really was catching up this entire time, he would leave the thread with some sort of -final reads after catching up-. Or at least something concrete. Not make 5 joke posts and fuck off. Nope. Never. Vivax was lurking guys. A real not caught up Vivax who was catching up would not be posting so much in the moment stuff. He was caught up and lurking the entire time he was here. Then comes EOD. If you look at the way Viv voted D1 he just leaves his vote on chyz and doesn't do anything. If the vote is between two towns then there is no need for him to put his vote anywhere. Other people who waste their vote..Superbia and Ritoky. Hmm So then N1 and the main suspect of Vivax is Koshi. Who dies in the night. When D2 rolls around the main suspect of his is JAT, who he proceeds to push on despite basically everyone telling him the push isn't very good. This fits the pattern of when under heat Viv just pushes on random townies. Now in the day I remember being uncomfortable with the way people just voted vivax/pushed vivax and then didn't do anything but if I look at that list of people On January 03 2015 14:26 IAmRobik wrote: ##vote: vivax On January 03 2015 14:36 sicklucker wrote: To vote vivax or to vote gerit it is a decision but a win win. On January 03 2015 20:35 marvellosity wrote: ya. they're all pretty terrible but it's a Palmar-type read so I'm eliminating him. if Robik is town I'm gonna have to adjust my expectations for him down accordingly, but it may just be possible that he's town given Vivax. 1/3 pushing jat like a weirdo seems more likely than 2-3. anyway, we need to kill vivax and not falter. 2 basic reasons 1.a different reaction to basically everyone bar DrH on Chyz 2.the terrible push on jat, particularly twisty shit like jat already demonstrated of cherrypicking his filter 3.koshi will be mad and he's a qt if you're not gonna vote vivax, you need to explain *extremely* clearly why ##vote: Vivax On January 04 2015 00:10 justanothertownie wrote: ##Vote: Vivax On January 04 2015 01:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: ##Vote Vivax #Teamkoshi On January 04 2015 02:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Vivax your D1 scumhunting method can be categorized as "hands-off". For this reason, I VOTE THEE! This array of people who all vote/push on Vivax , they are basically all town. In which case the pressure on him d2 isn't from a scum perspective and it is likely that a whole bunch of town actually found the mafia yet the pressure got away from him Incidentally someone who doesn't want to vote him.. On January 03 2015 22:41 Lazermonkey wrote: My objection to kill Vivax at this point is that he is still refusing to talk about all other lynch targets and keeps on defending himself and/or pushes for people who aren't getting lynched this decade. Couldn't scum Vivax try to hop on some easy target instead of Eden/jat? Though I don't think this is a super strong argument for Vivax either since it still would mean his town play is garbage. Anyway so he pressures JAT with a poor argument then EOD2 happens. If we look at the votes. On January 05 2015 14:12 Alakaslam wrote: I Count this vote sons Vivax (3): IAmRobik, Superbia (4): IAmRobik (1): sicklucker (0): TheChyz (0): geript (6): Vivax, Geript is lynched. Deadline is in We see in these votes that we have 3 real options. Geript,Vivax and super. Now end of day there is not quite enough to top to Super or Vivax and once again town gets lynched. We see again that Vivax doesn't want the lynch to be him or super with this. On January 05 2015 09:25 Vivax wrote: If we shenannie we shenannie onto Robik, like Palmar wants, and cause of this: Currently rereading geript as I tend to second guess myself as deadline approaches, but the part where he doesn't put Chyz into his PoE no-lynch-pool just looks too bad for my taste. He doesn't argue by scumreading people for reasons, he argues by townreading some with reasons and scumreadin the rest. But he found a reason to townread TheChyz previously and somehow decided to simply not talk about him again and try to put him into the townpile with his former reasoning. Instead he just throws away his opinion of him being town which he had during D1 with no mention why. Ok n3. Vivax goes back to his usual strategy of attacking towns when under pressure and goes after Robik, you know the cop. This time we hit on superbia. The votes are interesting we have 2 mafia wagons and where does Vivax park his vote On January 08 2015 06:26 Vivax wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Siclucker Again a total and complete waste. Alright so then we have an auto day where we end up lynching Ritoky and finally we come to the day we lynch palmar. Let's look at this post from me On January 14 2015 21:24 KelsierSC wrote: Reasons why Vivax is scum, you can see it EOD I think this is a critical post A summary He doesn't really want to lynch palmar and he scum reads GB&SL. Yet he decides to vote on the same person as his two scum reads? Then he basically gives himself a way to sheep artanis, unless artanis votes on the same person as marv...hmm I wonder who that is. oh wait it is his scum partner LM. and now apparently marv is def mafia...he doesn't give a shit about the people who just fucking voted on town. Lynch this dude We see that he apparently is "giving up his vote" but it comes with a condition, surprise m surprise the condition means that viv doesn't have to vote on LM. This is my main point about him. Then we get to the night and all of a sudden he has his amazing theory of me/LM/Marv. I already explain why bussing is terrible. On January 15 2015 10:24 KelsierSC wrote: So just to Math this out. In this situation where a town got mislynched. Tomorrow its 5 vs 3 and mafia can win that day with a mislynch. If lazer was lynched yesterday and he is mafia. Then tomorrow it is 6 town vs 2 mafia. If mislynch then it goes to 4 town and 2 mafia and mafia will require another mislynch and a day to win the game. If you want to explain why mafia adds an extra day and tries to get 2 mislynches in a row with less people then go ahead. And his main reason for pushing me is because I townread Superbia d3, despite giving all my legitimate reasons for doing so. No push on GB his old scum read. Then when we both want to lynch LM, he suddenly decides he would lynch me over LM despite this being a terrible play. We can clearly see Vivax going for the mafia win today. As a final point I want to point to this. On January 14 2015 10:10 KelsierSC wrote: So just did this to help me out in my brain. Essentially if you have a red that person scum read you before they died. , if you have a green that person town read you before they died. If you feel that I didn't put a read on then that is ok. I haven't included replacements because I just don't count their reads Artanis being universally town read means that his reads will give a +/- 1 either way when he gives his list. To me there is no way that SL is mafia in this game. we have to lynch vivax at some point. For vivax to be town and me to be mafia, the 4 confirmed town all have to be wrong on vivax and of those JAT and Robik have to be wrong on me aswell. Sorry if this is long and wordy but this should be enough to convince you vivax is mafia alongside LM | ||
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On January 15 2015 09:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I have an easy way to solve this: We start by lynching LM tomorrow and see who blinks. On January 15 2015 11:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm okay with this too. I chose the lynch last time, I'll sheep you this time. ##Unvote ##Vote KelsierSC totally logical | ||
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On January 15 2015 21:08 KelsierSC wrote: Alright here is the case against vivax. D1 - The main push comes from Koshi, a lot of people agree with the read but vivax is never up for discussion really. Here is the case. Then comes EOD. If you look at the way Viv voted D1 he just leaves his vote on chyz and doesn't do anything. If the vote is between two towns then there is no need for him to put his vote anywhere. Other people who waste their vote..Superbia and Ritoky. Hmm So then N1 and the main suspect of Vivax is Koshi. Who dies in the night. When D2 rolls around the main suspect of his is JAT, who he proceeds to push on despite basically everyone telling him the push isn't very good. This fits the pattern of when under heat Viv just pushes on random townies. Now in the day I remember being uncomfortable with the way people just voted vivax/pushed vivax and then didn't do anything but if I look at that list of people This array of people who all vote/push on Vivax , they are basically all town. In which case the pressure on him d2 isn't from a scum perspective and it is likely that a whole bunch of town actually found the mafia yet the pressure got away from him Incidentally someone who doesn't want to vote him.. Anyway so he pressures JAT with a poor argument then EOD2 happens. If we look at the votes. We see in these votes that we have 3 real options. Geript,Vivax and super. Now end of day there is not quite enough to top to Super or Vivax and once again town gets lynched. We see again that Vivax doesn't want the lynch to be him or super with this. Ok n3. Vivax goes back to his usual strategy of attacking towns when under pressure and goes after Robik, you know the cop. This time we hit on superbia. The votes are interesting we have 2 mafia wagons and where does Vivax park his vote Again a total and complete waste. Alright so then we have an auto day where we end up lynching Ritoky and finally we come to the day we lynch palmar. Let's look at this post from me We see that he apparently is "giving up his vote" but it comes with a condition, surprise m surprise the condition means that viv doesn't have to vote on LM. This is my main point about him. Then we get to the night and all of a sudden he has his amazing theory of me/LM/Marv. I already explain why bussing is terrible. And his main reason for pushing me is because I townread Superbia d3, despite giving all my legitimate reasons for doing so. No push on GB his old scum read. Then when we both want to lynch LM, he suddenly decides he would lynch me over LM despite this being a terrible play. We can clearly see Vivax going for the mafia win today. As a final point I want to point to this. For vivax to be town and me to be mafia, the 4 confirmed town all have to be wrong on vivax and of those JAT and Robik have to be wrong on me aswell. Sorry if this is long and wordy but this should be enough to convince you vivax is mafia alongside LM I would like people to comment on this. | ||
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If you want my thoughts on dam he is 100% town -he votes late on bats d1 when the vte is between two towns. -he does a totally rand. Analysis of super and finds him scummy. -he constantly pushes super and votes him d2 and d3 -he is pushed on by ritoky who is mafia and also by lm who is like confirmed mafia until yesterday when lm magically flips his read. No way dam is mafia please move on | ||
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Gb mafia need a ml here and they win so activity is not alignment indicative. Viv is desperately trying to find reasons to call me scum, he is not being objective at all. I have formulated my case on Viv. You can make up your mind. | ||
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So if lm is town your argument for me being scum I that I changed a read on sl, I explained that already. And that d1 I asked sl a question. I would urge people to weigh up vivs case against the case I made on him then make up your minds. | ||
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On January 16 2015 08:01 KelsierSC wrote: But Viv your main reason for scum reading me is that I have apparently bussed lm. So if lm is town your argument for me being scum I that I changed a read on sl, I explained that already. And that d1 I asked sl a question. I would urge people to weigh up vivs case against the case I made on him then make up your minds. | ||
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Artanis didnt die in the night which made me.suspicous. He did vote palmar . Hr thought your case on me.was.good. He said the first person to.blink.on lm was scum but you immediately blink today and then he votes me. I town read Marv,dam and sl. | ||
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On January 16 2015 08:42 GlowingBear wrote: Interact with me. You're ignoring undeniable facts that I'm bringing to the table. Which fact? Right now I don't know between you and artanis. Artanis has played scummy today and you are the only person who has read and commented on my case. I want to.see what artanis says then I will.gdt back to.you | ||
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On January 16 2015 08:45 GlowingBear wrote: Do you understand this is poor reasoning? You're evaluating marv's townplay just for a votecount. If you see marv coming on and on against Palmar, voting Lazermonkey makes no sense. Explain this to me. I have the reasons I told palmar.and if my two.scum reads are pushing Marv and going for.the win then of course Marv is.town | ||
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On January 14 2015 06:01 KelsierSC wrote: I remember he made a smart post about the order of my lynches on d2 which I liked initially. Then his votes look pretty good. I think almost everyone who was confirmed town has read marv as town aswell and his filter is pretty large so all in all he is a town read for me and not the lynch at all. Alright that was a bitch yo find but here is what I wrote when palmar asked me | ||
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On January 16 2015 09:20 Vivax wrote: Well he has 90 % scum winrate and you townread him off of one post. Convenient and lazy reason when he's you're scumbuddy. Well I have 4 good reasons. - his votes - he has town reads from confirmed town - lm and you are voting him. - he made a smart town orientated post. | ||
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On January 16 2015 09:25 Vivax wrote: No, he's an interchangeable spot however as I still have doubts on the third slot, Damdred, to be specific. You and marv sit in the first and second there tightly. But your main point about me being mafia is I bussed lm | ||
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On January 16 2015 09:26 GlowingBear wrote: - gonna take a look at his votes later but his votes are odd considering the guys marv's scumreads. - easy to have town reads on confirmed townies when you have perfect information - 5 people are voting him and there is only 3 scum left. There are at least 2 townies voting marv - smart town orientated post, solely one, is easy to make. So, weak reasons to give marv a 100% town read. My two scum reads are voting him pretty good reason to think he's town. You misunderstand me. The confirmed towns, townread Marv. Like 4 confirms towns scumread viv | ||
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On January 16 2015 09:28 Vivax wrote: I have no main point. I have a fuckton of points, you slipping that GB is town, you not considering I'm town when I made LS slip while I was questioning him. Your read there should have evolved from "Oh wow Vivax just made LM slip" instead you kept posting that me and LM are scum. Implying a scum made another scum slip. I never said Gb was town. You have combed my filter in a desperate attempt to call me scum and have been proved wanting. I want to see what dam , sl and artanis make of my case on viv. Gb if you like my case on Viv can you explain why younare happy to lynch Marv. | ||
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On January 16 2015 09:38 Vivax wrote: I know you didn't say GB was town, but the point is that you talked to him like he's a townie that should listen to you for reasons. You asked for support from a scumread., and that's cause you know his alignment to be town and slipped that. i don't know his alignment i asked him to go make up his mind. Honestly you are just reeking of desperation to throw scum on me when your arguments don't make any sense. your case - i asked SL a question d1 - apparently I "couldn't have been convicned by JAT and robik" well the votes and the cases by JAT and Robik did convince me. why am i scum for changing a read on SL ? hmm yes I really feel the noose closing in | ||
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On January 16 2015 09:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also your theory for Vivax being scum rests heavily upon LM being scum. If LM is town half of it falls apart. the part where he ensures he doesn't vote on LM, yes that part does fall apart if LM is town. But the rest of the case still stands. But I am 100% convinced LM is mafia. Viv was but now apparently LM is a ?. So he wants to lynch marv instead. Remember when you talked about the person who "blinks first". viv is blinking here. Dam is town I have presented good arguments for that. LM is the right lynch here not marv | ||
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On January 16 2015 09:45 Vivax wrote: But you kept asking SL if he was the cop after the night ended, so if you were already convinced, what was the point of that? I have been patient enough I think to explain this point about 3 times already. SL stated " I will reclaim cop tomorrow" So I asked if he was going to do that. JAT and the votes convinced me SL was not mafia. I didn't know if he was cop or not. Again why does this make me mafia? | ||
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my first game was a newbie mini I think. then I played the game where I got the cop killed n1 and accidentally slept through the votes and got mod killed. Not a particularly stellar record. I think you have enough information this game to make a judgement rather than trying to get a "meta read" out of all that. Do work | ||
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On January 16 2015 09:58 Damdred wrote: Kels last town game was a newbie, he's like cr he's rolled mafia 3/5 times I think I rolled mafia twice and town twice. this is my fifth game. | ||
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On January 16 2015 10:01 Damdred wrote: You rolled mafia in yamatos game and replaced out, in Carol, and in ffl oh yeh I forgot I was even in yamatos game. | ||
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I have, from D1 , made cases on LM and so you can filter dive me, or damdred to see them. Although I understand if you don't want to wade through my 30 pages. Damdred made an excellent point especially regarding how LM voted on marv. | ||
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On January 16 2015 10:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: The problem with this is that, if I'm getting Vivax right, you just made a case on Geript. Generally when you make a case you want attention for it and your focus is on getting that person lynched. Why wouldn't you ask me my opinion on Geript? Why Dr.H/Ritoky? I was trying to get a read on you, geript isn't the only person in the game and I already made my case on him. | ||
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On January 16 2015 10:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You'd already made your case on Dr.H being town too so that can't be an argument. I ask you a question to get a read on you. I don't understand why that makes me scummy. | ||
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On January 16 2015 10:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You went from Point A (Townreading Dr.H) to Point B (Scumreading Geript) to Point C (asking me questions to get a read on me). You say you didn't ask me about Geript because you already made your case on him. That's in contradiction with asking me about Dr.H, because you already made your case on him too (but Town rather than scum). In fact, it makes less sense to ask me about Dr.H than Geript because when you're town you want people to think about your scumreads, not your townreads. This was start of D1 Right? If i Recall most of the start was DrH tunneling chyz. you then joined the thread and I asked you a question to develop a read on you. I will have to revisit the thread in detail but what I can say right now is I asked you a question on d1 to read you. | ||
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I thought geript was mafia and the mafia late on bats to save him. LM had his vote on geript EOD1 so I he wasn't a focus for me on d2 | ||
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I make a well constructed argument on viv that spans his entire game and points out glaring inconsitencies, looks at vote logic, takes into account the view of the confirmed town. and GB and artanis say "good case" thats it. Yet viv makes a post saying "you asked artanis a question on p24, start of d1, SLAM DUNK CASE" and people act like I'm confirmed mafia. I have to be dreaming. | ||
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On January 16 2015 11:08 GlowingBear wrote: I'm never not voting Kelsier. He was so unnecessarily interested in the cop but when the cop flipped he was uninterested in ritoky???? Robik made a post saying that if he died we should lynch vivax over ritoky first. I thought we got more information from lynching vivax rather than ritoky. | ||
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On January 16 2015 11:10 GlowingBear wrote: I've made a whole meta case on you. If you think that I'm just sheeping Vivax, you should re read what I'm writing. your meta case is that I am aggressive as town because of my first game. Yes I was overly aggressive and people got really fuckng pissed off and didn't listen to me. Yelling and screaming isn't a good way to play so overall I toned down my play. Yes I have a phone which I have to use in the evenings so I don't wake my girlfriend. (2am here) that is surprisingly not alignment indicative I don't think I give out easy town reads D1 at all, I town read DrH yeh but I don't think that makes me mafia. Maybe look at THIS GAME rather than taking 2 posts from two of my old games, one of which was my first ever game! and making your read. | ||
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- I ask artanis a question start of d1 to get a read on him - I ask SL if he is going to reclam cop after SL says "I will reclaim cop tomorrow" - using vote logic and reasons from my town reads I change my reads on SL - 2 posts from old games one of which was my first game, and the fact I play using my phone in the evenings. I'm mafia???? You read my post on vivax and you think he is town? Even though you both said my case is good | ||
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On January 16 2015 11:20 GlowingBear wrote: You've used this same argument on FFL. Can you quote the post where Robik says to lynch Vivax first? No, I am on my phone. He said it. | ||
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On January 16 2015 11:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: A good case doesn't mean someone is scum. Half the case on Vivax is that LM is scum and Vivax/LM makes sense. I'm not convinced LM is scum yet. It's also how Vivax' thought process aligned with my own at the end of last night. Plus by sheer effort alone, looking at his scumgames he's highly likely to be town. one point is that vivax and Lm are together , when he says he will follow you unless you vote on the same guy as marv. The rest of it stands by itself. | ||
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On January 16 2015 11:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Because the vast majority of those are oneliners and he hasn't really been pushing much. He's just been present but not really present. LM and Marv are different players which require different expectations. I did not expect LM to have the largest filter this game regardless of alignment. Fair enough I will make a case on LM tomorrow and which ever of you donkeys are town will hopefully be convinced | ||
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On January 16 2015 11:22 KelsierSC wrote: so let me just clarify this - I ask artanis a question start of d1 to get a read on him - I ask SL if he is going to reclam cop after SL says "I will reclaim cop tomorrow" - using vote logic and reasons from my town reads I change my reads on SL - 2 posts from old games one of which was my first game, and the fact I play using my phone in the evenings. I'm mafia???? You read my post on vivax and you think he is town? Even though you both said my case is good Can someone town please speak up and ask wtf is going on here | ||
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when SL claimed scum at first I thought he was joking, when he wouldn't rescend and when he said he checked dam I questioned him because he was my scum read and it didn't make sense. Is it irrational to question your scum read when they claim cop? the whole GB meta read is total nonsense. I stated I was overly aggressive in my first ever game and nobody listened to me so I have played calmer and tried to present an objective view of things. It isn't my town "meta" to just yell at everyone. | ||
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On January 16 2015 11:56 sicklucker wrote: See I dont think it was a joke... I think you played it off as one.. this fits your rolehunting scum meta from carol. well it was have you read my case on viv, go read that please | ||
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On January 16 2015 11:56 sicklucker wrote: See I dont think it was a joke... I think you played it off as one.. this fits your rolehunting scum meta from carol. Da fuq? | ||
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On January 16 2015 11:59 sicklucker wrote: Remember that time you tricked kush to claim his role and you were mafia?... That was really wellplay are you not admitting this happened? I just did this so I could fake a scum read on FF. I don't even know if kush was that role because I was in hospital for most of that game. Maybe you can actually look at my play this game to get your read. | ||
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On January 16 2015 12:03 sicklucker wrote: Wtf I dont believe that at all. You were like on day 1 "marley should claim" Kush was an idiot and believed you. You were mafia that game... well that is what I did, if you want to be thorough you can go and check the mafia qt from that game because I mention it there aswell. read my case on viv? | ||
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On January 16 2015 12:04 sicklucker wrote: Either way as town or mafia you gotta stop this bluehunting shit you do because its making it hard to read you you mean that joke I made? | ||
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Anyway tomorrow I will make the case on why LM is mafia. You can all read my extensive case on viv, 80% of that is stand alone, it is using good vote logic, the reads from confirmed town and is a strong case. The other 20% relies on LM being mafia which I will prove tomorrow. To that case you can add that viv has made a number of poor arguments to call me scum. He has resorted to going through my filter taking anything I say, calling it mafia and making it a "SLAM DUNK CASE" Apparently me asking Artanis a question on d1 page 24 is a slam dunk case. fair to say that none of the cases truly hold water and my responses can be viewed in my filter. I haven't played particularly well this game, I was wrong on geript and I was wrong on bats but I have tried to figure out this game , presented good cases and gone about the game in a consistent logical fashion. As final food for thought I once again state that if vivax was town and I am mafia then JAT,Robik,Koshi and Geript were all wrong on vivax and that JAT and Robik were once again, wrong on me. | ||
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On January 01 2015 03:34 KelsierSC wrote: So I honestly think the case against Chyz is kind of shit tier and that is what makes me interested in the people who jumped on it. Namely Artanis and Lazor. So I asked the two of them some questions and I quite like the read that Artanis gave on DrH that felt towny to me. But when I asked Lazer questions he basically didn't have any reads on eden, DrH or rit. This is apparently a scummy thing because he reads the chyz as scum for not immediately having strong reads at that stage of the game. We need to move on from chyz at the moment because this reason for pushing him is poor. He stopped rit and DrH having their dick measuring, that felt fine. Then when he got forced to give reads (by DrH) he gave some but he wasn't like "this guy is scum, lynch" and then DrH feels like he was being hypocritical...I don't see how, nowhere did chyz give the impression he was giving a strong read. When Lazer entered the thread he gave these reads which is just a copy of the thread mentality and what people had said, again I think the case is bad so supporting it is bad to me. Then he gives a read on Robik, which is like the most pointless read at this stage of the game "hey robik said hi then left, he is a bit scummy" ... yeh but what is the point of that read. Then he gave his 3 reads eventually on eden etc. I didn't think much of the reads at all, they seem very contrived. So in conclusion, jumps into thread and sheeps the thread opinion, ( a bad case on chezy ) , has no good reads at all. I think one of artanis/lazer is scummy and I think it is Lazer On January 08 2015 10:08 KelsierSC wrote: I think rit and lazer are aligned by rit liking the pressure that lm puts on dam and gives him a soft town read for it. That was the stuff before the most recent day If we look at how LM plays around the palmar lynch. On January 12 2015 04:50 Lazermonkey wrote: Too many things about GB are pointing towards GB being scum atm I feel. There is no "SUPER SCUM MOVE" he has done but the at this point of the game I would expect scum to: - not pushing superbia hard D1 and D2 (GB did that) - defend superbia (GB did that) - vote ritoky over superbia (GB did that) - Not having alot of strong town reads right now (GB doesn't have that) This coupled with the fact that there aren't even that many people that could potentially be scum at this point (PoE basically) makes it very very likely that GB is scum. so GB is clear scum to him. he also admits to defending super d2 On January 12 2015 20:16 Lazermonkey wrote: Fair enough! I'm not denying that I was defending superbia pretty hard D2 : D. I On January 13 2015 02:30 Lazermonkey wrote: I really think we should kill GB btw. Reposting this (EDITED the misstake in the post). ##Vote: GlowingBear We also see LM throwing more scum on GB again and then voting on him... Then... On January 14 2015 07:30 Lazermonkey wrote: Meh, I still think that GB is a better lynch than marv. But it doesn't seem there is any way that we will be able to kill GB today. I'll be on for like 30 minutes more. If you want to lynch GB, I'm all for it. If not, I'll vote marv. So his main scum read is on GB, GB has also voted on palmar who was town. Yet now LM is willing to vote Marv along with his biggest scum read and he then posts this. On January 16 2015 22:20 Lazermonkey wrote: Okay, GB is looking far better now I think. He was very posty and put up two pretty comprehensive meta reads, which I don't really expect scum to do. But this puzzles me, because it means someone I had previously as town is scum. If I had to guess it would be SL, but I really need reread alot before I can draw any clear conclusions. I really think Kel is scum now also. If you think his meta post on me is comprehensive you have to be a lunatic. So GB is now "towny" because he voted on a town and then made an awful meta post. No I don't buy this. LM is trying to find an excuse to lynch marv and vote with his strongest "scum read" because he is mafia going for the win. | ||
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On January 06 2015 03:07 KelsierSC wrote: yeh LM is my top scum read right now I would also lynch Super and Rit As for Viv, well his D2 play and the strange start to the day really threw me. I think with geript flipping town though he has to be up for major consideration. a lot of what I read depends on SL, I think he is scum though. I don't know what the fuck his cop bullshit is but he has dodged my questions on it , it is full of inconsistencies. His play overall has been an attempt to clear himself as often as possible, along with other players, by applying bad logic and WIFOM. He has constantly acted like he has played well and led town or been massively influential, this overstating is really tiring and I don't think he believes it.. I don't believe the claim at all. but in the world where he is an awful cop I can see a scum team of where they have just sort of coasted by and let town go round in circles. Marv Palmar LM Super ...+ viv or rit maybe, unsure of this. my town would be Robik, JAT, artanis, DrH I like VE aswell but I just don't have the data on him and it is really a "tone" read more than anything. GB has now got internet access again and I look forward to getting his perspective on the game for realz. if you have been forgotten, please dont be rustled A post from me on d3 I think where I bus Super and Rit ? | ||
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On January 16 2015 12:06 KelsierSC wrote: well that is what I did, if you want to be thorough you can go and check the mafia qt from that game because I mention it there aswell. read my case on viv? On January 16 2015 12:09 KelsierSC wrote: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/SqU9nKqWBeYv7 go to post 16-17 | ||
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On January 17 2015 03:09 KelsierSC wrote: Ok So here is the case on LM as promised, sorry it took me a while | ||
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I have given my case on lm and on Viv I want more people to talk about that. | ||
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That is completely ridiculous to call someone scum for. I ask artanis to get a read on him. I even explain that on the same day. You have to do better | ||
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The timestamp is literally 1 min before deadline. | ||
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So when he claims medic I change because I could easily be wrong on him. | ||
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On January 17 2015 04:46 Vivax wrote: By posting a vote that wouldn't count and then rage at the hosts for not counting it. Again a lie I didn't rage at hosts for not counting my voyr. I raged because st eod I was trying to figure out the game and wanted mods to post the current vote count I posted a series of good reasons why you and lm are scum. You sre trying to distract town from making an informed decision by posting everything from my filter and calling it mafia whilst ignoring my rebuttals to your tragic excuse for an argument | ||
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Your case on me is incredibly thin. I could comb your filter and take everything you do and twist it to make you scum. Buy I'm not because I have made a well constructed and objective post that says everything I need to. | ||
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The arguments against me are terrible vivax is going back to d1 and talking about irrelevant things to call me scum. Gb has awful arguments Artanis is convinced somehow I don't know what that means. In town, mafia wins if you lynch me. Apparently when there is a close vote between two people and the town gets lynched under strange circumstances, people think the logical idea is that 2 mafia voted on someone else and everyone on the palmar wagon was town. If you think that is logical then you are some ki d of lobotomised troll. Read my cases in Viv and lm they are actually good and aren't nitpocky bullshit from d1. Remember if Viv is town robik,jat,geript and koshi are all wrong. And if I'm mafia jat and robik are wrong too. Here is viv's pish record Chyz geript,jat,robik,palmar. Yeh what a great towbie definitely a good town leader | ||
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And the scum narrative makes no fuckibg sense. Why do I flip my read on sl if I'm scum? I explained my reads already How is asking someone a question d1 scummy? Artanis on d1 I even explain why I ask you that question! My reads since d3 have had rit and super as mafia along with Viv and lm. Seriously last day. Vote I close between palmar and a scunnu lm. Palmar gets weirdly lynched and people think the mafia must have voted lm and that all towns voted palmar. That is so ass backwards. Poe makes no sense at all, Viv ,lm and Gb makes total sense as a team. | ||
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vivax and GB's reads were so bad that I couldn't see them not being mafia. I should have been more freaked out that Artanis was agreeing with vivax because Artanis is an intelligent person. | ||
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On January 18 2015 05:17 Vivax wrote: Tbh in the later days it felt to me like you just didn't care much about solving the game any more and kept spouting to lynch me and LM without ever rereading something or reconsidering. it's hard ,when someone is attacking you for every little thing ,to consider a world where that person is town. Like I said the fact that artanis was agreeing with you should have made me consider Artanis a bit more because I know he has a brain. | ||
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On January 18 2015 05:28 Vivax wrote: You know someone has a brain when he suggests we should lynch a guy with 90 % scumwinrate who's still alive at D5 QED you can see from my perspective why I can't possibly read you as town though. | ||
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On January 18 2015 05:30 Vivax wrote: So 0/3. At least I had 1/3 before scum begulled you at EoD cause of my rl business. My e-peen wins. And now this conversation is over. i'm not getting into a contest with you about who got the most scum, scum played well and a lot of town had the game wrong. But it wasn't a case of scum beguiling me there was just no world in which I could see you as town. | ||
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On January 18 2015 05:33 Vivax wrote: And you can see from mine that the way you handled Sicklucker's claim had reasons to raise suspicion. Plus your vote on super that didn't count when geript got lynched after you said you wouldn't switch off of him. You set yourself up perfectly to look like scu´m after superbias flip. Thank god we didn't shenanny my way thought cause then we would have lynched the cop. I'm giving JAT credit for that. when I voted on him? hmm ok | ||
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On January 18 2015 05:39 GlowingBear wrote: Stop putting the blame into others play when you have read things wrong. Vivax read could have been wrong on you but his effort was townie. And you couldn't see outside the tunnel. A play can never force you to do something. You evaluate it wrong or right. Period. I'm not blaming anyone I was saying vivax's arguments for calling me scummy were bad so I read him as mafia. It was my fault for not being more suspicous of Artanis for agreeing with the reasons. | ||
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On January 18 2015 21:49 GlowingBear wrote: Eden, if everyone reads more and post less, the thread will be empty I think the players needs to know their potentials and work with them. Some players are very good at analysing and others are good to keep pushing the thread forward. If they work together with their potentials they will be able to get through the game. it was a good game, scum played really well that's why they won. I hope you or vivax weren't offended, I was just explaining why I couldn't see past the two of you as scum. | ||
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