On January 06 2015 12:32 VisceraEyes wrote: So the font physician would see you hang Chez what say you?
Yeah, that's the first one I noticed koshie noticed. But I would feel bad going after him since I have opposed physician in every game I played with him. Last time I was wrong. Yes, even Chez got reading probs.
On January 06 2015 14:32 Vivax wrote: You can say my reads might be bad but you can't say I'm mafia (you must obviously as that is probably your agenda and I see no reason at all to townread you just cause you streamed a mafia game)
On January 06 2015 14:34 sicklucker wrote: The problem I have with lynching vivax right now is in the rare world where hes town. Thats one mislynch then people kill robik thats two bam games over. Can we kill ritoky then vivax? Then we would have an extra mislych due to odd numbers think?
Why rare world?Why am I scum in a few lines pls? Cause I was on wrong wagons (not sure about Chyz but i'm assuming it)? Well, that shit happens to townies all the time and is the reason we had mislynches.
Cause you don't treat people fairly! You ignore the poor and less mentally capable. That is what makes you scummy. The new guy come in and tries starting a not so friendly but friendly conversation and you just ignored him!!! How can you be soooo cruell!??!? That is something... welll scummy!
On January 07 2015 04:13 IAmRobik wrote: Like. I'm trying to give you a chance, but everytime I reconsider the evidence for you being mafia is so fuckign damning.
Still can't think of any evidence you brought up except that Koshi was killed and maaaaybe that I fought with JAT, though I can't remember if you brought that up as a point.
Can I see another's woe, And not be in sorrow too? Can I see another's grief, And not seek for kind relief?
Justanothertownie was a man. A great man. During his short time here in Liquidia he made a sizable contribution to the town. His passing will create a gap that no man can fill. Justanothertownie was, unlike his name implies, not just another townie. He was the greatest townie that this town has ever seen, with miraculous insights that only the greatest of players could have.
He was also fearless in his reads. When faced by adversaries, he refused to give in and spread his knowledge amongst all those who wished to listen. Unfortunately, the brightest flames burn out the quickest. JAT's flame has been extinguished, but the memoires of his fire will continue to burn inside all of us.
To remind us of his great contributions, I have selected a few of his best posts to be remembered for all eternity. + Show Spoiler +
On December 31 2014 09:38 justanothertownie wrote:
On December 31 2014 09:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: A bright person once said "Keep it simple, stupid." This is a normal game. Let's not add in more variables like vig RNGs and stuff like that, please.
On January 01 2015 06:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Yeah, of course I think it's intentional. I will rehash my three main cases in spoilers here. If people are finally listening just read carefully. I'm a terrible writer these days so I can clear up any reasoning that seems fuzzy or unclear to anybody.
First: this is about Chyz's read of eden being artificial. It's the least convincing case but I think in the greater context it still looks really bad. This is kind of all over the place so I'd be glad to restate the points more clearly if I need to. + Show Spoiler +
On December 31 2014 18:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: TheChyz is mafia
The foundation of my argument is that TheChyz superficially chose eden1892 when asked for his reads. When I dismiss his initial reasons, he further contradicts the premise of his read and then changes the reasons when asked about it by ritoky. Let's go through his post history with context.
On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote: Hello all.
Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda.
@ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything.
This post is supposed to be uncontroversial. I realize now I initially misread part of this post but it changes nothing. The important part is colored in red.
On December 31 2014 17:22 TheChyz wrote: Nah i just don't like conversations going in circles for years on end. Eden is sticking out to me as my largest scum read because the constant defensive wording in each post where there always seems to be some idea of not jumpin on somebody too strongly. Just doesn't sit right about how cautious he/she (sorry dont know) is trying to be when there is literally no reason to be cautious other than being afraid of having heat thrown his/her way.
dr.H and ritoky lean town. pointless talking mostly but mafia probably doesn't want too much attention for absolutely no reason other than proving a point.
Let's sum up the Eden read: 1. Eden is my largest scum read. 2. He is scummy because he uses defensive wording. 3. He is scummy because he is not jumping on anyone strongly. 4. He is scummy because he is playing cautiously and fearfully.
Of all players in this game this about describes Eden the least. What about the myriad of other players who have yet to accuse anyone of being mafia?
On December 31 2014 17:17 Eden1892 wrote: in fact Chyz you can have my first vote of the game, it's special to me so please treat us right. Doc I still have reservations about wrt me being unfair, Chyz I really don't.
##VOTE: TheChyz
This post comes before TheChyz's second post. Eden is one of only two players in the game to even vote up until this point. Why oh why considering this would eden stand out specifically to TheChyz as a player who is 1. Defensive 2. Not jumping on anyone 3. Too cautious
This is the first time in the game that TheChyz expresses immediate suspicion towards someone who votes for him.
On December 31 2014 17:33 TheChyz wrote: He just is? Like I can be suspicious too. Hell i'm suspicious of everybody, but its just the wording that he is using doesn't sit right with me. Seems to clean.
1. Everyone is suspicious 2. I am suspicious 3. The only thing that makes eden seem scummy is his wording doesn't seem right.
I'm not sure what "The wording isn't right" means. Earlier TheChyz has more specific reasons, but I guess he kinda forgot about them or whatever. It was only his largest scum read so those kinds of things don't matter. Shoot, he's just suspicious of everybody so it doesn't really matter!
I wonder when TheChyz will have something substantial to say. Apparently his scumreads aren't very substantial at all as he says himself.
On December 31 2014 17:30 TheChyz wrote: I don't have a reason to vote for eden. Because someone is my largest scum read (at this point in the game that means he is the least towny out of all like, what , 5 players) doesn't mean i need to vote on him. Garbage vote atm so why would i do it?
With this post let's try to get a masterlist of all the things you think about Eden, your #1 scumread. Sorry if I'm redundant.
1. Eden is my largest scumread. 2. Eden is scummy because he uses defensive wording. 3. Eden is scummy because he is afraid of jumping on anyone. (I would assume this means accusing, pressuring,voting - all things Eden had done before he brought this up) 4. Eden is scummy because he seems cautious and fearful. 5. Eden is scummy just because his wording just doesn't seem right. 6. I have no reason to vote for Eden. 7. Voting for eden is a garbage vote. 8. Eden is the least towny of all the players.
On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica
Eden's soft accusations resulted in a vote on you pages ago. Now you're accusing me of being soft for not voting for you but eden is soft for whatever reason because I guess you have to stick to your guns or something. I'll wait a few more hours to vote and see how long you chase your tail over it
Second: I think the most damning.
On January 01 2015 05:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: TheChyz
On January 01 2015 03:16 TheChyz wrote: does anybody have a read on lazer? I really feel like all of the posts hes made have very little commitment behind then and its as if he is scared to reach too and just goes for easy already discussed stuff. Also his last 3 "reads" are just a summation of stuff and I congratulate him for being able to read and repeat stuff but nothing at all has come out of him at all.
Even you dr.H, I may be hypocritical to you about lazer, but don't you agree? Or are you just tunneling and trying to prove how wrong you are at the end?
Seeking thread approval. His read is bullshit so he wants to see if someone buys into his reasoning. This is a textbook example of a noncommittal read. Nice way of deflecting at the end too. My argument was 100% at that point about his read on eden being a fabrication. One size fits all argument. His question for me is meaningless because the premise of the question is false. Does anyone have a read on x seems like a weird question after:
On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote: I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me.
I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive.
I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him. ##Vote: Lazermonkey
This post comes before. He seems quite confident in his read here. Mafia players I think often structure their initial accusations to sound strong and back off more over time. Nothing about Koshi is suspicious to him and he only changes his mind later after quite a few other players put heat on Koshi. He has nothing to say about geript so I don't know why he even included it. Maybe this is one of the useful thoughts all townies should share. Since TheChyz is confident enough to vote for Lazermonkey (something he refused to do for eden who was his largest scumread at the time which he never technically dropped) I went ahead and looked at lazermonkey.
On January 01 2015 00:30 Lazermonkey wrote: Hi everyone
Because of NYE, I will only be able to be active for a few hours today. Tomorrow I'll have more time though. Chyz looks scummy. Though I do think people are attacking him for the wrong reasons. The discussion between DH and rikoty WAS stupid. But if you look at Chyz opening post, he doesn't give any actual opinion about the players involved other than that rikoty should move on. Nowhere does he speak about their alignment.
On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote: Hello all.
Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda.
@ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything.
Chyz doesn't follow up with anything at all untill he is called out. Why is it that he the first thing that he felt he had to post was that people was on the wrong track, instead of actually trying give some of his own opinion? This is scum mentality.
##Vote: TheChyz
Good post. Even if he is wrong about Chyz's alignment, he's noticing the right things.
On January 01 2015 00:38 Lazermonkey wrote:
On December 31 2014 15:17 geript wrote: So you don't find Robik who is normally an exceptionally prolific poster as town posting "Hello?" twice and then fucking off when he got ignored interesting in the slightest?
I think Robik is scummy for this. Obviously, it was at the very start of the game so its not the strongest of reads BUT I know I did a very similar thing in another game, i.e. saying something of absolutely no substance early on in the game to indicative that I was in fact active, and then just afk.
I was scum that game.
Interesting. Chyz's accusations don't quite fit what Lazermonkey was doing here.
" The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right."
First of all Chyz is actually agreeing with the read. His point of suspicion is that LazerMonkey doesn't have any other scumreads he's pushing besides him. What's wrong with that exactly?
On January 01 2015 02:06 TheChyz wrote: I don't usually pay much attention to people until they actually do something. Ionno, its kinda like ppl policy lynching lurkers and such (since that is kinda what robik is doing). By no means is he town but also saying nothing is not really anything to jump on top of, at least not yet anyway. Usually lurkers lurk by day 1 and if he wants to do that, fine. Doesn't mean he will probably last day 2 if he continues that way.
By entrance I meant more like the first few posts of the game. Ionno, it just felt very similar to the other time I played with him in which he was town. I don't think any of the posts on geript hold any real substance (unless I scimmed through an important one too quickly) and are kinda more like peoples soft reads on him.
Bolded. LazerMonkey didn't jump all over Robik for anything especially since his read was just revealed as a response to geripts question. He focuses his attention on TheChyz for the most part, read LazerMonkey's filter.
On January 01 2015 01:39 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 01 2015 01:15 KelsierSC wrote: Laazermonkey I have "your" chyz read , can you give some thoughts about other players in the game?
Outside of Robik and Chyz, not too much.
geript I'm a bit torn on. Initially, I thought he was a bit scummy (waiting for Palmar, Marv etc) but he has been active and was one of the players that really got the discussion going. This is making me like him somewhat, as scum there is no reason to be that active in the start of the game really. Slight town read on him.
I think sicklurker posted some relevant things at the start of the game. Not much though, but a slight town read this far.
He's even forthcoming when asked about it. This is an obvious case of "Chyz is my top read so I'm focusing on him" and considering LazerMonkey's lower activity this is the right kind of production. In fact, yet again LazerMonkey has been much more confident and open about his reads than TheChyz has. All of his votes are OMGUS with weak reasoning and look at how he backs down from me (in chronological order):
On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica
On December 31 2014 17:41 TheChyz wrote:
On December 31 2014 17:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On December 31 2014 17:36 TheChyz wrote: Meh now i see how ritoky got caught in that discussion with you it is. I have nothing to prove to you since your threatening me with what? Not following my day 1 talk. sounds fimilar.
A bandwagon. I'm nearly 100% convinced that you're mafia. I encourage everyone to vote for you and will spend as much time as I need to convince them and to force you to keep defending yourself over and over again. You don't have to reply to me if you think it's a waste of time. I might not succeed if you just ignore me.
Put your money where your mouth is and vote, or do you like to just spew fluff left and right?
On December 31 2014 17:53 TheChyz wrote: Does anybody else find it strange that after making that case on my and my "garbage" read and all that that when dr.H finally mans up and says that I'm 100% scum and basically will do anything to get me lynched and the proceeds to just leave it at that. No vote, nothing. Seems like he just wants to start a bullshit case on me and hope others latch on. If nothing happens he will probs just drop it. Really scummish to me.
Anybody else have opinions on dr.H?seeking approval
On January 01 2015 03:26 TheChyz wrote: I remember geript making a post about dr.H being a bully when mafia. Does anybody else agree with this? I was fine with dr.H like 8 hours ago because it seemed like he was trying to scum hunt. Now it just looks like hes trying to filter spam the same thing over and over and trying push a vote.
8 hours ago I was tunneling him and he was calling me a donkey idiot and voting for me and trying to convince others to vote for me or feel suspicious about me. He liked that I was trying to scum hunt when I was posting cases on him and trying to get people to vote for him? Self admitted guilt. No way town would congratulate another townie for tunneling them cause it was a great effort or something. What the fuck?
On January 01 2015 03:41 TheChyz wrote:
On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica
I think it was fairly obvious this wasn't a serious read... And I was really tired and a bit annoyed so wanted to let off a bit of steam.
You made an obvious attempt to sell it to the rest of the thread. Straight up lying. Is this enough to lynch the chyz now? I can always go back and explain how his eden read was fabricated bullshit too.
Third: behaving inconsistent with his town meta + Show Spoiler +
On February 26 2014 16:38 TheChyz wrote: kk. With geript I still have a problem of how he was so quick to say that rayn and toad couldn't be scum together. There was no explanation why he made that conclusion until I finally made him answer with
On February 26 2014 12:33 geript wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:26 TheChyz wrote: Hey geript I'm not a moron you know. My memory lasts more than a few minutes. Would you mind explain why rayn and toad can't be scum together. (for the third time...)
A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one. Third, I like Rayn's WoS vote and minor push; WoS has been trolling really weird to start off with and isn't his usual witty self. Fourth, they wouldn't both likely push back against me as scum together this early. Like I'm apparently unreadable to people which is totally crazy in my mind.
All of these points are terrible. It seems more like he just put out some random statement and after being asked to answer on it it seems like he is backtracking. See how he goes to make several points. Not only does it seem like he is trying to be over defensive but that most of them are just a big pile of poop. Let's go over the points: 1) I don't even know what chummy means but it seems like the way you guys are acting early on. Again that doesn't really say anything and is something anybody can say about almost anything. 2) He is backtracking to a joke rayn made that makes him town? Well shit i think he just solved mafia. People making jokes = town. I don't understand the context but I believe that is irrelevant. 3) I don't even understand this one. Something again that rayn is towny to him. 4) Saying how its unlikely for something to happen which does not seem unlikely at all.
In all of these points, NOTHING again answers why he think rayn and toad cannot be scum together. If anything it seems more like he is developing a rayn town read. This all seems like a load of backtracking and most likely hoping that he wouldn't get called out for his words before hand.
Apart from that everything else just has no effort to even try and scum hunt. Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now.
##Vote geript
His first vote in this game is thought out and much more thoroughly explained. He makes no attempt at all to gain approval from the thread or ask anyones opinion.
Wonder how good the odds are that still no one will evem read all this
I believe in the philosophy that if you can't explain a scumread in a few sentences it's not a good scumread. I think Syllogism once said something in that sense. Palmar did that quite well. I'm waiting for your tl;dr edition on your TheChyz read.
On January 02 2015 06:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And I do think people would've listened had you attempted to make an impact on the game. It just feels like you haven't tried to do so.
On January 03 2015 03:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Actually JAT, I am curious what you thought what became more scummy about Geript. His vote on Vivax felt neutral because I just couldn't find a motivation for it, town or scum, and the posts he made closely leading up to the lynch I couldn't place in a mafia mindset.
Exactly. It was crunchtime. Geript made an extremely weird vote. I didn't know what to make of it.
On January 03 2015 04:22 IAmRobik wrote: Artanis, what does your town list look like? I'm wondering f it is similar to minr
Dr. H Koshi JAT (I feel like how he took up 'leadership' during the night was something he wouldn't do as scum on reconsideration) Palmar Kelsier Eden I'm also liking VE but it's too early to tell.
That is the worst reason to town read JAT i've ever seen, there are other reasons to town read him. But if he rolls scum he picks up the leadership just as fast thats why hes the champ.
I don't think so. He had a strong scumread on Geript. He'd only have a reason to switch to Bats if both him and Geript were scum, and if that were the case I don't think a scum JAT with this much influence would've allowed it to get to the wire like this. I find a scum JAT/Geript team very hard to imagine and thus see no reason for a scum JAT to take charge and avert a Geript lynch last second.
On January 06 2015 07:10 marvellosity wrote: actually that's right, i went back to check, the votecount just before he said that was geript - vivax 5-5
then according to eye-witnesses robik was spotted in a dingy bar called Video Mafia and he didn't post from that point till basically deadline, in between jat switched to super etc
Meh, I guess that makes sense : (
It takes a remarkable amount of brain power to succintly notice and point out just how often I make good posts, but JAT had that talent. He also had a remarkable talent in leadership. Whenever town wasn't sure who to lynch, he made sure his lynch target got lynched in at least 50% of situations. Granted, the results weren't always satisfactory, but he made it happen and there are few people in this town who can say the same. To honour his memory, I would like to increase that percentage to 100%.
A wise video game character once said "Justice demands retribution". Superbia has evaded that justice for too long. He has descecrated JAT's grave by not dying when JAT told him to die, and instead killed him in cold blood. This is a crime deserving of but one punishment; execution. ##Vote Superbia
If we are all a flame, can they stop a forest fire?
On January 08 2015 15:38 sicklucker wrote: We have literally 4 claimed checks and they are all fucking trash.
you're a trash tier cop if you think that checking people you think are going to turn up red is a good strategy in this setup. you check your town reads who you think are going to survive as long into the game as possible, especially when you're playing like me and are universally scum read, but you aren't scummy enough to ever get pushed
I totally agreed with the claims that Chyz was town. I also believe Chezinu to be town aligned. I know he pretends to be a bank and softclaims being a cop to try to have some fun, but if we look pass the fluff. Chezinu has voted to lynch mafia every time since he has been in this game. Typically, mafia would target the likes of Chezinu. This time they did not nor did they kill his friend, Artanis. They choose to confirm to town the cop and in turn half the town. So, here we are.
Let us lynch ritoky for mafia could have killed him with two idle votes nearby. Perhaps, he is special.
On January 04 2015 07:37 sicklucker wrote: Oh super started talking. So like super and ritoky both wasted their votes. In a two town race thats what mafia usually does. Also people who waste their votes are more likely mafia. Also there probably gonna bus each other now.
Look at SL's filter, find this post and all posts close to that, and tell me if that makes sense to say for someone who is scumreading geript.
That's been bolded before.. I believe it was red last time.. Not sure who did it. Go go investigator! oh wait the cop cop is dead.... I guess the bank will have to do an investigation.
On January 04 2015 07:37 sicklucker wrote: Oh super started talking. So like super and ritoky both wasted their votes. In a two town race thats what mafia usually does. Also people who waste their votes are more likely mafia. Also there probably gonna bus each other now.
What? If both Bats and Geript are town there's no reason for scum not to be on one of the wagons.
Ya know, both ritoky and Superbia wanted to lynch sicklucker at one point. ritoky and SL have battled it out quite a few times and even have inside jokes amongst them. They seem to be friendly fighters. The question is... are they too friendly? SL is a fighting mafia. He is a known busser. Add in a special role... Well, we know he isn't the cop now... we know town doesn't have a vigi...
^wrote above an hour ago and then got distracted by RL interactions. Don't know where I was going to go with this troll... so I'll just post what I had.
OH and HIGHWAY 111 LIVES!!!!
"Error: You are not logged in so you cannot post this message!" argh....
On January 13 2015 01:37 Palmar wrote: So this is where I'm at:
Town:
Palmar Artanis SL (36 pages of filter, gj bro) GB
Maybe scum:
Chez Marv Ksc Vivax LM
PALMAR!!!!!!!!!!
On January 13 2015 01:55 marvellosity wrote: I actually expect more from Chez than what he's given us if he's town, but the town-allure from the Chyz ragequit is quite strong.
I has the perfects mafia lynching record! I even pointed out townies before they went dead townie. Plus I gotz friends!
On January 13 2015 01:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Besides I could never lynch Chez. He's my friend. Friends don't lynch each other.
On January 13 2015 01:56 sicklucker wrote: Chez is also my friend, and he has also said some very townie things which is hard for him to do.
But you know who was the first person to ignore me this game after replying to me like once? Vivax. Vivax ignored my comments and posts. Then mafia killed the ones who talked to me and were my friends. Then I cried out all alones. Then my friend Artanis came along and spoke with me. He the good friend. Then we lynched the bad guys together!
oh look!!! Chez has a filter link top right of this post! Oh and TheChez is not Highway 111. Highway 111 was whom the bank claimed to make checks for. Of course, bank consulted with the real cop about this. Cause, you know the bank has abilities too, they just aren't as knowns. I R series. check the filter!
PS: It's funny people rather judge a chez based on a chyz instead of chez. You should judge chez based on chez cause almost everbodies has more xp with chez than chyz. Am I brown?
14; Vivax - just say hi ... plz? 2; GlowingBear - easy for mafia to paint scum 5; Lazermonkey - Have you ever been town before? 6; Marvellosity - demands colors 11; Damdred - Who are you?
9; TheChez - totes the bank 4; Artanis[XP] - bestest friend cause he said hey 10; Palmar - PAAAALMMARR!!!! 15; KelsierSC - stays alive cause what he did to super! 13; sicklucker - Well, he decided to jump on friend wagon.. so you can live for now.
On January 13 2015 08:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: [quote] So you feel he's played a poor D1-3 but a good D4-5, yet you still view him as "very probable mafia". Why?
I think the case on him is still pretty good, and his vote is a possible bus to get town cred.
You can still have good days and be mafia I think
I just want to know why it seems you haven't been re-evaluating despite mentioning how he's had good days. It suggests a real ironclad certainty on your initial read, but if that's true then you should be able to tell us why he's still scum despite his recent posts.
I'm not sure exactly where you are coming from saying I haven't re-evaluated when I clearly am. Yesterday was a good day and hes doing ok today, and I have to weight early stuff with what hes doing now. And I still think the early stuff is damning
I've noticed three things: 1. You felt LM was scummy throughout the game, yet not scummy enough to warrant pushing over Superbia at the time. 2. LM has started acting considerably more townie since. 3. You still really want to kill LM. This suggests you either had a really strong scumread on both Superbia and LM in which case you've pushed it kind of meekly, you feel that LM's recent days haven't actually been that strong, you haven't properly re-evaluated or you're bullshitting. I'd like to know what I'm doing wrong in this evaluation to you.
1) One of the things that I got called out for a lot early was that meta analysis that I did on superbia. All of a sudden Super starts acting the way that the scum meta goes and i jump on it. I thought Super was the scummiest person in the game after he came back to the thread in day two and I started to push him and make cases. After the flip I started pushing LM for what I think is a bus for town cred. 2) Does mafia never act like town? Short bursts of thought don't automatically make you town. 3) I do want to kill LM
I'm not sure how you can call my push on super meek? Especially when i'm begging people d2 to get on mafia!Super.
If you were as sure of LM and Superbia as you seem to be I don't understand why you weren't basically harassing everyone to tell them to vote for them. Yes, at some points you asked people but the certainty you project is different.
I also don't understand how you can call someone's days good and still call them scum confidently. If LM is scum, I want to see how his recent posting still fits in that profile, because if he's scum there will be leads.
Having good or bad days is not alignment indicative. Geript had bad days and he was town for example. HF as another example has amazing days as mafia but hes still mafia. Does good days make someone town? Especially when its preceded with poor play? Or what about starting good and falling off ala vivax in his mafia games? The answer is no, they are mafia independent of selective periods of time obviously.
Also super went to his scum meta which i was familiar with, and made promises etc., so of course im going to yell to get people their especially EoD. But we are far from that and there's information to gather and things to consider
Wait, so you mean when you say that someone has a good day you don't mean that they're looking townier but rather that they're making good points which apparently to you aren't alignment indicative?
Can mafia look towny and make good points?
Can a bad tree produce good fruit? Is a wolf in sheep clothing good though it looks like a sheep? Is a tare the same as a wheat?
WOW ARTANIS YOUR AMAZING!!! I TOTES DIDN'T read any of KelsierSC's posts cause lazy. So, I made that super thing up. But now that I reads ~3 pages of his filter.... wow! Just WOW!!!!
KelsierSC cannot hide his anger toward his teammates or the host. LOOKIES!
On January 08 2015 19:36 KelsierSC wrote: why do we have replacements at this point that is ridiculous
On January 08 2015 18:12 KelsierSC wrote: LM who do you think the cop is?
what's the use in asking this?
right, i best go read what i missed
because I am trying to figure out who the mafia is wtf
there are about seven thousand million, five hundred thousand and forty nine better ways of finding mafia than cop-hunting in the night phase. Just sayin.
im not cop hunting
I want LM, specifically, to tell me who the cop is
yay im glad you are a replacement
On January 08 2015 20:13 KelsierSC wrote: so you replace in and dont read the thread
yay
On January 08 2015 20:36 KelsierSC wrote: luckily DrH was town so I can just totally ignore you
On January 13 2015 10:09 Chezinu wrote: Damdred and KelsierSC are a team guys!
A team of...? And why?
Damdead and KelsierSC would know. Do you believe in Highway 111? Do you believe in the Bank?
The bank almost got me last game, I'm not sure if I believe the bank I don't know who highway 111 is
Oh my dear glowing gummybear,
Some sick sick lurker out there knows the whereabouts of highway 111. Whether he fears the bank or not is indicative of alignment. You see the bank does not need a role from the host to be the bank. The bank has abilities of its own. Very powerful ones.
Now, I has the question. How do you interpret the relationship between the sicklucker and the damdead?
You see mafia this game had a shot that did not go according to everyone's plans. This rage can be seen. Anger is revealing. Ritoky knew about this. He tried coping with humor. That is where is caught my attention.
On January 13 2015 10:09 Chezinu wrote: WOW ARTANIS YOUR AMAZING!!! I TOTES DIDN'T read any of KelsierSC's posts cause lazy. So, I made that super thing up. But now that I reads ~3 pages of his filter.... wow! Just WOW!!!!
KelsierSC cannot hide his anger toward his teammates or the host. LOOKIES!
On January 08 2015 19:36 KelsierSC wrote: why do we have replacements at this point that is ridiculous
On January 08 2015 20:06 KelsierSC wrote:
On January 08 2015 19:48 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 08 2015 19:42 KelsierSC wrote:
On January 08 2015 19:38 marvellosity wrote:
On January 08 2015 19:36 KelsierSC wrote:
On January 08 2015 19:20 marvellosity wrote:
On January 08 2015 18:12 KelsierSC wrote: LM who do you think the cop is?
what's the use in asking this?
right, i best go read what i missed
because I am trying to figure out who the mafia is wtf
there are about seven thousand million, five hundred thousand and forty nine better ways of finding mafia than cop-hunting in the night phase. Just sayin.
im not cop hunting
I want LM, specifically, to tell me who the cop is
yay im glad you are a replacement
On January 08 2015 20:13 KelsierSC wrote: so you replace in and dont read the thread
yay
On January 08 2015 20:36 KelsierSC wrote: luckily DrH was town so I can just totally ignore you
mods please never do this again, thanks
On January 08 2015 20:49 KelsierSC wrote:
On January 08 2015 20:48 DarthPunk wrote: Anyone else think the (Limited) interactions between Kelsier and Superbia look fake?
do you?
On January 08 2015 21:43 KelsierSC wrote: probably artanis dies tonight
DP hasnt even read the game so why would they kill him
On January 09 2015 00:34 KelsierSC wrote: so because superbia, the mafia, voted robik
robik is mafia?
On January 09 2015 00:46 KelsierSC wrote: yeh vivax I don't know what the fuck you are doing
robik said that he said the vote between you and geript earlier was close.
On January 09 2015 00:51 KelsierSC wrote: if your goal is to make me think ritoky is the cop over robick then G fucking L
On January 09 2015 07:17 KelsierSC wrote: I find a Dam + superbia scum team highly unlikely
Dam pushes him early, does research on him d1, pushes for the lynch and votes him D2 and D3.
On January 09 2015 17:33 KelsierSC wrote: I thought ritoky might try a little but too much of a pussy I guess
Chez, please walk me through this. You suggest that Damdred and Kelsier are a team, and that Kelsier has been mad at his teammates (Ritoky, Superbia, you've also implied Vivax) and the host, yet name no examples of Damdred other than Kelsier finding a Dam + Superbia team unlikely. Can you tell me how you arrived at this conclusion?
On January 13 2015 11:14 Vivax wrote: The anger does look scummy cause if he knew the slots were town, then he was mad about it that they got replaced and not just modkilled. But I'd ask Kelsier first if he has a reason for that cause he might as well let his anger out out of the thread.
As for shots in the night that didn't go according to plan, you will have to walk me through that.
Yeah... I was just being fluffy. I don't know anything though I see things. I speak crazy for reaction reads, which I cannot fully know. TheChez is not so special though he desires to be. A Bank is but a dream.
Now, TheChez can pray in hopes to one day to see. To distinguish clearly between those who are for and those who are against. It is out of TheChez's power and TheChezes knows this. So TheChezes will pray for answers.
On December 31 2014 14:19 Damdred wrote: Also not really claiming scum just bad humor baby
why did you post this?
cause of mine and geripts history where he takes mee a bit to serious at points. Like he told me to post seals one time and I did and he went a bit nuts was a bit funny. I think he was scum that game but I think he would do the same as town.
uhh that's odd but i guess i'll allow it? just seems like you're trying to justify behavior which need not be
On December 31 2014 14:46 sicklucker wrote: No ive played as mafia with dandred and I dont think he has the balls to make a joke like that.
On December 31 2014 14:01 Damdred wrote: I'm sorry geript was to busy in scum qt to beat you to first this time.
I've been having mafia withdrawls
Should we lynch damdred for claiming scum?
On December 31 2014 15:48 sicklucker wrote: Ya ritoky wtf ROFL
On January 01 2015 01:56 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, Damdred. Marv and you just gave meta reads on ritoky that are the exact opposite of each other for the same game. Do I really need to read his filter there now?
On January 01 2015 04:13 Damdred wrote: @sl I'm not understanding what ritoky claiming his present has to do with this
On January 14 2015 07:03 KelsierSC wrote: neither GB or palmar have answered my points on why dam is town. They both just call him scum despite obvious logical reasons he is town.
I've done it repeatedly.
I don't think he thought superbia was going to be lynched, so that point is moot. Also, trying to use an associative read on what ritoky did is bullshit. In fact, Damdred actually took a post from ritoky that was quite scummy and somehow came to the conclusion (that no one else did) that ritoky looked good and drh looked bad.
Then he meekly pushed lm for a little bit.
I R READINGS I R REALLY READINGS! Yeah, this is like a first for chez, cause like he wasn't here all games. I'm starting to get peoples references now. Now, I know why people are obsessed with Chyz.... You guys should look at what started it all. Look at that joke. And look how ritoky reacted to said joke. then look how people reacted to ritoky. Of course, I have the luxury of reading Day 1 with the majority of active players being now dead townies.
I kind of have two opposing mafia teams in my head right now. I have much to decipher.
On January 14 2015 07:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: How long are you still going to be here Palmar? I need to know how long I have to actually read the last few pages attentively.
I'm basically leaving now. it's 11 pm and I have to wake up at 7 tomorrow.
This is Palmar saying he is choosing sleep over surviving. When he goes to sleep... the votes may shift on him..
On January 14 2015 08:08 Lazermonkey wrote: Now, as to why I flipped from Palmar being my second scum read to marv being my second scum read. It was based on partly his interactions with Palmar but also how he seems to refuse to actually push scum. His GB read is a prime example of this. Its clear by reading his filter that GB is his (top?) scum read right now. But instead of trying to kill GB, he comes in and insults everyone.
This troubles me about Marv too. He's just defending himself rather than pushing his top suspect.
He knows things.
On December 31 2014 20:50 marvellosity wrote: let's kill ritoky. he pushed absolute bullshit reasons for all his scumreads in Carol and was generally unwarrantedly aggressive. I can't believe he's so dumb to push something for 10+ posts here which was a joke.
Literally the only hesitation is that I can't believe he would play exactly the same for another game running.
Nothing else is very interesting. Chyz gets time. DrH didn't demonstrate Chyz was mafia, just maybe that he made a read he shouldn't have. tbc.
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