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What jumped out to me about snacks at first is this:
On January 01 2015 06:02 batsnacks wrote:Has anyone played with DrH before? Is this normal? I feel like I would be more likely to vote TheChyz if DrH wasn't pushing him. The thread is about 30 pages long. DrH has about about a 5 page filter, of which ~90% of his filter is tunneling TheChyz. So ~16% of the game is DrH tunneling TheChyz. First, I think that's way too much focus on a single person in a 20 person game. DrH is the only person voting TheChyz, and I haven't heard anyone say "I agree with your case DrH," so he's obviously not reaching people. Second, this post is really townie imo: Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
So I think my conclusion would be that DrH's tunnel is not helping town.
First off I feel very uncomfortable when people suggest lynching for other reasons than believing in the read. I also feel uncomfortable when people talk about a vote like they think of it as leverage or something.
He picked out a post that eden had already thought made chyz seem town. I see no reason why a scum player would have a problem saying they changed their mind about a player who defended them. He wasn't under any real pressure and it's not like Koshi was gonna save him or anything lol. The thread already had major heat on Koshi at the time too.
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plus this:
On January 01 2015 06:44 batsnacks wrote:Mr DrH what do you think about this: First TheChyz posts this: Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote:
I don't like how koshi entered the tahread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me.
I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive.
I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him.
##Vote: Lazermonkey And he earned town points for it: Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 02:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I kinda like how paranoid Chyz is being. Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 02:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Like, everyone's jumping down on his throat and he starts his post with "I don't like how Koshi entered the thread" which is pretty much the only person that really defended him. Then later he posts this: Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
And gets more town points: Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 04:00 Eden1892 wrote:On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
I really like this post for town. You know the old tell about forgiving your attacker that mafia tend to do, because they know the person attacking them is right and they would rather defuse the threat with kindness and cordiality instead of trying to engage someone they know is right? It's the opposite here. I feel like attacking your forgiver is a good town tell. Mafia don't turn around and get after people who are defending them, and doubly so if they're actually under some significant suspicion. Mafia do numbers-crunching and try to see how many people they can keep on their side and don't try to attack people defending them to gain town credit. It just doesn't make sense. I feel better about Chyz for this post
Do you think TheChyz is intentionally rehashing the koshi read to gain town points?
if he got town points from eden he got town points from you for the same thing seeing as you both liked thechyz as town for the same reason. but you never really gave your reason why you thought that post made him town in the first place, just parroting eden. if he got town points from you that would imply you genuinely believed it was a town-indicative post so why would that be suspicious in the first place?
wouldn't the more natural conclusion be that thechyz was just trying to ape the town sentiment anyway? that's not really the same thing, this is a really awkward and conspiratorial argument
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On January 02 2015 04:50 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 04:33 marvellosity wrote:
lol is your argument that I called you suspicious (without knowing if i thought you were scummy) in order to later push a lynch on you in case you caught me?
is that really it? It has to do with your mentality at the time. Initially I thought ScumMarv would want to push me (for funsies). But reading into what you're thinking is kinda how I read you.
So what you're saying it was your intention to paint or see him as scum from the beginning? why would you be thinking that before knowing anything about his alignment. you omgus'd a null read
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why glowingbear? you havent explained anything
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On January 02 2015 04:52 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 04:42 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 04:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 02 2015 04:35 justanothertownie wrote:
Marv, can I hear your opinion on batsnacks? I think batsnacks is scum. I hate all of his posts but i didnt want to lose on chyz for a while. I know you're not asking me but id be glad to discuss batsnacks as scum since chyz and geript are practically locked for me Noted. On January 02 2015 04:38 marvellosity wrote:On January 02 2015 04:35 justanothertownie wrote:
Marv, can I hear your opinion on batsnacks? I think his posting should mean he is mafia if we just go by meta, but I'm not really sure that he is after all. I'll try to explain more when I've finished reading the thread. I would really love to hear that. I have a similar feeling about him. Actually more unsure now I read his filter as a standalone. Kinda very straight up, not really ruffling play which is classic mafia bats. And the thing that made me think he's town was actually a terrible reason now i'm reading it again: Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 06:13 batsnacks wrote:And this scummy too: On January 01 2015 05:59 IAmRobik wrote:
I kinda wanna lynch TheChyz to see if DrH is right ##vote: IAmRobik I thought "this is so wrong, this makes me feel town on bats" just because it's the sort of thing he writes. now the reasoning feels a bit silly. dno, bats could be mafia but i'm not feeling it for some reason. some tone shenannies. his play is oddly in-between meta though. might make some sort of list.
any thoughts on my two posts about bats? i feel like his reads are forced or just one size fits all throwaways
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On January 02 2015 04:53 TheChyz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 23:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hi again.
I realize that I kinda sucked yesterday. Got way to tunnely on Chyz. I will try to reread some things and reevaluate my thoughts as best as I can.
As for the "case" on me, I think its pretty weak + I will have some time to post today so I don't fear too much for my death. Won't really bother to defend myself right now but I'd rather focus on trying to get a hang on the game and figure out who I think is the best lynch! LOL WHAT? (about bolded part) If you can show me any proof that you "tunneled on me" I'm more than happy to hear it, but are you being sorry for trying to get a read on me? Only person that can say they tunneled on me is dr.H. It seems like your trying to just back up because your getting some flame and to save yourself. And the second paragraph is like UGH. just gives me the creeps. Later on you go on to say that your cool with killing geript and such and one of your main reasons is that "he wants to wait for vets". Like thats not allignment indicative at all. You can take that to mean shit all, especially since it was near the start of the game. When artanis clears up why koshi is towny then he just drops his case. It's like hes just jumping from wagon to wagon and giving soft reads and dropping them asap. Super wishy washy. Even tho I don't like geript atm it is more based on the fact that I have seen nothing similar to either his town game when I played with him and also in the game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/467155-devils-riddle-mafia?user=geript&page=2 where you can see that he is scum hunting. But this game he isn't and while that is cause for some alarm I think laser is much more scummy than geript atm. Although I don't at all like his top scum reads (especially since I think keslier is really towny). I'd be fine with a geript or laser lynch but I feel that laser > geript.
tell me why a town geript would omgus a null read. do you realize how insanely paranoid and defensive that is?
lazermonkey hasn't been very active but at least for that time period all of his posts are basically focused on the fact that he suspects you. calling that tunneling might be exaggerating a tad but idon't see why that would make him scum or something. is that really significant
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On January 02 2015 04:55 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 04:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
why glowingbear? you havent explained anything I guess he keeps town on a need to know basis...
day 1 is almost over and he hasn't made one point. that's a bit different
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Can we all start voting for geript
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On January 02 2015 04:58 Koshi wrote:
I don't get the joke. :/
im a hypocrite and a jerk with questionable reading comprehension
let's go lynch geript
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Why did you omgus a null read again? Your explanation just made it seem like you decided marv was mafia before anything happened i.e. fake read
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On January 02 2015 05:02 justanothertownie wrote:
Ritoky hasn't impressed me at all since yesterday.
His failure to move on from the joke about a policy lynch ir whatever said to me disinterested and bad townie. Scumteam if they weren't totally stupid would tell him not to bring that up again considering he got heat from it before. He's a player I would put in the DT pile, i get stuck in the wifom
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On January 02 2015 05:04 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 05:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Why did you omgus a null read again? Your explanation just made it seem like you decided marv was mafia before anything happened i.e. fake read Who are you talking to and what about?
You.
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Marv am i being unclear with geript or is he dodging
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Geript are you trying to boil your reads down to heuristics so you don't get exposed by having to reach like you did with marv? All you talk about is the meta and yourself
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On January 02 2015 05:10 TheChyz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 05:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 02 2015 05:02 justanothertownie wrote:
Ritoky hasn't impressed me at all since yesterday. His failure to move on from the joke about a policy lynch ir whatever said to me disinterested and bad townie. Scumteam if they weren't totally stupid would tell him not to bring that up again considering he got heat from it before. He's a player I would put in the DT pile, i get stuck in the wifom But don't you find his large post just weird. Not even just the stuff he says inside of it but the format of it. Like he was in no need to give a read on every single person. I just find that pointless because not scum hunting and looks more defensive. Other than being scum and thinking you have heat and just throwing every read you have to try to appease people that your doing something or if you are town and know your going to die to give the rest of town your current reads I see no reason to do that. Therefore he falls into the scummy category, does he not? I just find no reason to talk about everybody instead of only the few which he has a good read/focus on.
You're confirmed scum, no reason to have a conversation unless you would like to explain your various lies. You're breaking even further away from your town meta. Why are you buddying up to me to get approval on your read, just post your case and quote mine like i know you're capable of. You dont wanna put in effort for cases you know are crap, your mentality is changed a lot
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On January 02 2015 05:19 marvellosity wrote:
far, far too many nullers.
Noticed that chyz is just being topical? What happened to the read he voted for - lazermonkey. His accusation of ritoky doesn't seem confident at all. This is a complete 180 from his town play
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Why don't you just push lazermonkey or ritoky then? It's not like you haven't been pressured before. In fact I'm not even currently voting for you. You said my cases are shit for focusing on timing and opportunistic which was the basis of your read on lazermonkey.....
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Also I can prove TheChyz is lying heavily about his reads at any time but I don't think the town is interested right now. Why don't you push ritoky and lazermonkey for a while and I'll shut up and watch you for a few hours. Or just martyr right now i guess
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On January 02 2015 05:31 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 05:30 TheChyz wrote:On January 02 2015 05:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 02 2015 05:10 TheChyz wrote:On January 02 2015 05:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 02 2015 05:02 justanothertownie wrote:
Ritoky hasn't impressed me at all since yesterday. His failure to move on from the joke about a policy lynch ir whatever said to me disinterested and bad townie. Scumteam if they weren't totally stupid would tell him not to bring that up again considering he got heat from it before. He's a player I would put in the DT pile, i get stuck in the wifom But don't you find his large post just weird. Not even just the stuff he says inside of it but the format of it. Like he was in no need to give a read on every single person. I just find that pointless because not scum hunting and looks more defensive. Other than being scum and thinking you have heat and just throwing every read you have to try to appease people that your doing something or if you are town and know your going to die to give the rest of town your current reads I see no reason to do that. Therefore he falls into the scummy category, does he not? I just find no reason to talk about everybody instead of only the few which he has a good read/focus on. You're confirmed scum, no reason to have a conversation unless you would like to explain your various lies. You're breaking even further away from your town meta. Why are you buddying up to me to get approval on your read, just post your case and quote mine like i know you're capable of. You dont wanna put in effort for cases you know are crap, your mentality is changed a lot I think all of your cases are just shit meh cases that your trying to grasp a hold onto anything and make it be like. Oh he said this thing which I have nothing to say but it came at a WRONG TIME that seems opportunistic. Also almost all of your scum reads and town reads a few hours ago where mostly. "good things about chyz said" = scum, "bad things about chyz said" = town. THis game has been so unpleasant with you which is mostly why I'm ignore your shit posts on me. I really hope scum kills me night 1 so that can shut you up tbh. There is no way scum ever kills you.
why not want me dead instead
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On January 02 2015 05:34 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 05:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 02 2015 05:04 geript wrote:On January 02 2015 05:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Why did you omgus a null read again? Your explanation just made it seem like you decided marv was mafia before anything happened i.e. fake read Who are you talking to and what about? You. It's quite possible that I just decided Marv was mafia because he felt off. Meh. Wouldn't be the first time I've jumped to conclusions. That said, his list is awful.
You don't even know what you thought? You stated what you thought, that he was fear lynching. Weird. You didn't seem to ever reconsider this until you got the slightest heat for it because you were too busy doing nothing i guess
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