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Alright fine, since you posted a gif I'll reply.
On January 02 2015 11:21 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 11:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 02 2015 11:03 geript wrote:On January 02 2015 10:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 02 2015 10:29 geript wrote:
Artanis. You make me sad. You made me sad by either rolling mafia or playing this poorly as town  Not having the drive to post and reread 80 times like I normally do isn't playing poorly. I'm sheeping a good wagon. I've been the focus of attention for most of 2 days now at least part of which is due to the fact that vets "caught" me early and the fact that the day has stagnated due to NYE. Like, I don't feel like putting in 48 hours of work in this type of situation. Especially when a cop is probably going to red check me tomorrow. That's a really bad situation for town. You gotta look at it from my side too. Sometimes it's best to bite the bullet to let town move the fuck on. If you think sacrificing yourself is a better play than proving you're town through good play then I don't think anything I say will help. What I expected from you was some form of direction, but I find it extremely lacking in your posts. To me, the most damning point is having 4 suspects within one hour, and asking none any questions or pressing them for anything (other than calling Marv 100% scum) If you post good gifs I might still lynch someone else though. On January 02 2015 11:05 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 11:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 02 2015 10:55 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 10:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Vivax: Concrete things I didn't like about Geript. -Holding back information until questioned (read reasons on Dr.H, read reasons on Koshi) -Laying out lines and never getting back to them (questioned me on what I thought of sl/eden/kels, never got back to me when I expanded upon it, so I pulled him back on it and it felt like he didn't have much thought behind it) -Doesn't care about getting lynched + Show Spoiler +On January 01 2015 05:44 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 05:42 IAmRobik wrote:
Have we decided which non-robik/non-marv/non-drh person we're lynching? Lots of people seem to think that I'm the lynch. Kinda scary because I doubt many people will actually ahve read the thread by the end of the day or half of it and most of the vets seem to be on that train. But meh. I really dgaf about that. People are just historically bad at reading me correctly. -A large part of his filter is just.. not saying anything. I mean scroll through it, put up a notepad and fill in what you've learned. -Throws suspicion in every which way but doesn't pursue anything. + Show Spoiler [examples] +On January 02 2015 04:23 geript wrote:
First off, I'm really surprised that more people don't want to lynch Robik. New Years has fucked with us all I imagine in addition to the surprise start, but Town!Robik tends to play quite differently. He's aggressive; he bounces all over the place. He makes huge sweeping townreads that are the craziest shit I've ever seen. He's really passive. Nothing "turns his wheel" so to speak. Usually he'd be on something like a dog in heat by now. That's my first read. On January 02 2015 04:48 geript wrote:
In looking at some of Lazer's past games, he's probably an ok lynch. Marv is right on that he's pretty much a background player. On January 02 2015 04:54 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 04:53 Eden1892 wrote:
I mean, he's on track for a >10pg filter by the end of day 1 and the most prominent memories I have of him are obnoxiously pushy questions that don't have a clear endgame and asking the cool kids what to think. Seems like he's said a lot so far in terms of post count but a little in terms of actual value. This is out of place in where I am int he thread. But I'm pretty sure that this is kinda exactly why I've been called scum this game. At least in part. Pretty odd that Eden defines that as my scumplay. The other thing about Eden that's been bugging me is that specific weird heuristics get dropped from the scene for no reason. Usually when town goes ham, they go ham. But there's a specific level of crazy but not too crazy that makes me think that Eden is probably a pretty good lynch as well. On January 02 2015 05:32 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 05:27 marvellosity wrote:
don't like this list:
people i don't want to lynch for some reason:
1; Koshi
4; Artanis[XP]
6; Marvellosity
7; justanothertownie
8; IAmRobik
10; Palmar
11; Damdred
15; KelsierSC
17; DoctorHelvetica
18; Eden1892
Hmm? arbitrarily feels like a 1/2 deal. Nothing to back this up:
5; Lazermonkey
9; TheChyz
Wat r u doing
2; GlowingBear
14; Vivax
19; RebirthOfLeGenD
20; Superbia
Some PoE title:
3; Geript
12; batsnacks
13; sicklucker
16; ritoky
I take no responsibility if this does or does not contradict something I said previously. Just making this list makes me think I should look at sl though, he could be mafia. Normally I remember him when I read stuff.
I don't like this list at all Marv. Back to scumpile. 4 different scumreads within the timeframe of an hour. Doesn't really follow up on anything but Marv, of which he just nitpicks the list and talks about fear lynching. -Excuses - Has a 6 page filter, yet talks about how he's busy. + Show Spoiler +On January 02 2015 06:03 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 05:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 02 2015 05:57 Palmar wrote:On January 02 2015 05:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Palmar, do you still believe Geript to be the best lynch today? Yes. One thing that particularly stands out to me is that I'm sort of in the driver's seat on this lynch, and geript hasn't even mentioned or addressed me at all. Like all he has to do is change my mind, but for some reason he's shying away from any interaction with me. Well, you haven't been around until recently so that's a reasonable consideration. It's weird that he hasn't really defended the main points against him or really push anyone. Just calls Lazer an "ok lynch", calls Eden a "pretty good lynch", decides Marv is scum again yet he seems to have no interest in actively not getting lynched. It's really weird because no matter his alignment he shouldn't want to get lynched. I don't want to get lynched but I'm busy. Plus, I don't think people are going to listen to what I have to say whatsoever unless I get lynched. Granted most people will likely forget it and some people will likely just dismiss it. But just promise me to look back at my list and think about it. I'll try to be back later to explain things in more detail. But I still haven't had a shower or anything to eat or drink yet today and I have a shitton of stuff to do and I really want to play league. That's pretty much it. I'm still going to look into the filters of Chyz and Vivax to see if they're better lynches and make up my mind. Also have a look at batsnacks. But no one's even voted batsnacks yet, I'll look into him D2. On January 02 2015 10:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Artanis, do me a favor and scan thru his filter from his last game...should make it v apparent I take it you're referring to your enfant terrible? Will do. Thats not an excuse. What difference is there between one vote on Vivax and 0 on batsnacks? There are still 3 hours until deadline and I might push for a batsnacks lynch. Two votes on Vivax. If you make a good case I'll look into it but I'm already doing more reading than I was planning at 3am. Artanis, there's really not any more direction that I could post than I've already posted. You guys have been all like "OMG his stuff is so shit." People say that shit all the time when I'm town. I also tend to find the right answer in ways that other people don't. I look at games entirely differently than most here. All of what's happening is that my posts are being buried in my filter by me trying to explain this shit to you guys. You don't see Marv around actually caring who gets lynched or why. Why is he so focused on a town? Why has his game been exceptionally different from his town play? Why doesn't he want to lynch Robik? Why is Robik so nothing like the usual townplay I've seen? Why is GB changing his mind in 5 minutes when nothing of note in the thread has changed? Why is Vivax someone that most people are "considering" but few people have any actual drive to consider the situation? I don't feel like being tunneled for 3 more days which if I don't get lynched is my expected lifespan in this game. I've told you who I think is off and why. You might not understand it. But I don't think I can explain it better. Marv isn't town!Marv. Vivax has a decent shot of flipping scum. GB, idk. I've always had a hard time reading him and I don't think he's a great player. Chyz is town. DrH is maybe town but if he is then he's a large detriment to the game. Palmer is town. Damdred is town. Koshi is almost assuredly town (not because he doesn't want to kill me). You're town. I think sicklucker is probably town his play looks more similar to his townplay to me and when I reread him again I think he's getting a bad rap because people aren't looking at the towny hints. Kelsier is a tough read. But as scum he tends to be active and do things even when the thread's not moving or changing direction. He's alot like me in that he likes to think ahead a bit I think. I don't really see that in his filter. So he's probably town. JAT is town. Just trust me on this <3.
It's been a while since I've played with you, but my memory dictates that you press your suspects far more than you've done this game. Perhaps I should put that to the test. As for a lot of your questions, I think NYE is a good excuse and that Day 2 will provide more clarity on their alignments regarding Robik and Marv. As for being tunneled for 3 more days; that all depends on what happens in those 3 days. There's plenty of games where a main suspect on D1 becomes a universal townread later in the game. If you think people will just tunnel you anyway, why did you sign up? Surely you must have some faith in being able to get townread if you're in fact town.
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Heres the problem i'm struggling with, with Geript i've played with him a good amount of times and I have a huge amount of respect for his scum game. But sometimes as town he shows up and really doesn't give a shit (no offense) we have a similar situation in avocado numbers mafia I think was the name and geript barely went down with a whimper, also when he went into fanfic mafia when he replaced in he basically refused to do anything after being scum read. He does have a few really good town games though but i've seen geript just not care, so its really giving me pause here.
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I do, but it also requires a bunch of work and I'm honestly not sure I'm wholly up for that while also trying to talk to the shadow.
FWIW, GB and Kelsier are probably both town. Kelsier tied himself to GB in a very towny way. Little reason to do that as mafia. That's two more people cleared out:
Town:
Koshi
GB
Damred
Kelsier
you can look back for the rest. Not sure DrH is actually town any more, good odds of it, but he's a spammy player and he's seemingly been one blind tunnel into the next. At some point usually as town he'd either lose it entirely or take a step back and reconsider things. Marv's still probably scum. Vivax is probably an ok lynch but I'm not actually sold that he'll flip mafia.
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JAT, are you still there and do you still want to lynch batsnacks? Can you give me the rundown on him?
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He's gone. Fuck it.
##Unvote Geript
##Vote TheChyz
I'd rather keep Geript around than Chyz.
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I'm not really sure what to do with geript. He's started trying, which increases the chances of him being town; it can make sense for a caught mafia to give up but never really does for a townie being mislynched, so the fact that he's trying to avoid getting killed is probably good all else being the same.
The problem is I still don't really know who he wants to kill. He posted a big list running through everyone in the game, concluding with a group of about six mafia/mafia-leans, and then he doesn't ever push any of them since. He's even said a couple of times something to the effect of "just go back and read me when I flip town," but I don't even know what I would go back to read, because he posted what would be a big nice convenient list to read and then didn't act on it in any meaningful way.
I think I still want to kill him, and I'm moving my vote there for now. I don't think I'm going to get fully caught up before deadline, so I'll try to look at the other possible lynches (who are they, by the way? seems like geript, Chyz, Lazermonkey and Vivax are the names that are coming up) and see which one I want the most. Right now it's geript but I haven't read the other guys one last time yet.
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On January 02 2015 12:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
JAT, are you still there and do you still want to lynch batsnacks? Can you give me the rundown on him?
I am sort of here but you know how late it is right now. For batsnacks you have to look at meta. If he is town he is extremely brazen. He does not give a fuck about what people think of him and his reads. He attacks and pushes people doing traps and all that shit.
As scum he just tries not to step on anyones toes and generally lacks any scumreads. A perfect example for this is FFL2 mafia.
What I see this game is the latter. He defends Chyz and does nothing else. No scumreads, no traps, no crazy behaviour.
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Oh hi Eden. Funny timing.
I think Chyz is a better lynch than Geript because Geript will probably actually try in D2 whereas I don't think Chyz will add much of value. I think they've got about the same chance of flipping scum. Geript didn't even really try to get me to not vote him but was more concerned with how to act afterwards. Could be WIFOM but I got the WoS-approved feels from it.
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I guess we'll have to look at it on D2 JAT as there don't seem to be enough people around to switch.
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Like batsnacks voted for Robik for awful and easy to give reasons and then Lazer at some point. I don't think his reads evolve in any way.
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On January 02 2015 12:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I guess we'll have to look at it on D2 JAT as there don't seem to be enough people around to switch.
How do you know?
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I actually like a shenanigans onto bats here, im not feeling a geript lynch anymore and don't think mafia chy would react the way he did.
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On January 02 2015 12:44 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 12:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I guess we'll have to look at it on D2 JAT as there don't seem to be enough people around to switch. How do you know?
Vivax went to bed. That leaves me, Geript, Eden and yourself to have posted in the last hour.
Actually depending on how the votes are divided that might be enough
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Oh boy, Damdred's here too. I guess I need to check out an old Bats game now.
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I really can't remember what Bats has tried to do this game overall, just that he asked about reads at one point besides that i forget hes in the game.
I can see a scum bats doing this
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We dont need to switch to bats in an hour when no one is here to talk about it. Whats wrong with geript now?
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On January 02 2015 12:36 Eden1892 wrote:
I'm not really sure what to do with geript. He's started trying, which increases the chances of him being town; it can make sense for a caught mafia to give up but never really does for a townie being mislynched, so the fact that he's trying to avoid getting killed is probably good all else being the same.
...meanwhile, Chyz apparently decided to self-vote and leave. Ugh.
Forget I said this, I was reading Chyz town until he did that and him doing it reads frustrated town rather than mafia. I can't really see why a mafia would bother posting a huge reads list that would just leave his teammates at risk of getting caught by association if he's going to self-vote. You self-vote as mafia to end the day quicker and get people complacent with that vote, not to give them a road map for how to find your team.
As for why, I go back to that large case Chyz wrote on Lazermonkey and it rings so genuine to me. Maybe I'm just a sucker for his opening line about excessive emotional investment but I feel like it would take a stone cold liar to throw something like that out as mafia just to excuse your previous play. I know there's nothing that actually stops you from doing that as mafia, but I figure if you're making up an excuse for your previous absence, you're going to pick something that sounds plausible, which means the excuse you're going to give is deliberate and something you've thought about. Something about claiming you were "too emotionally invested for my own health" seems... out of bounds, you know? Hopefully this makes sense to someone else cause I think it makes perfect sense to me but I can't really find the words. Just seems like lying about your emotional well-being is a shitty thing to do to win a game. And I'm gonna admit I didn't actually read the case on Lazermonkey beyond recognizing that it was one of those classic confirmation bias supertrains that everybody who's ever played town enough times has taken themselves on.
And the emotional-investment thing kinda proved itself decisively when he self-voted, didn't it.
I'm not killing Chyz today and I really recommend others don't. I really wish he hadn't self-voted but I can't see how the sequence of posts of his at the end was from a mafia POV.
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Bats also interacts with his scumreads when he is town. Do you see him interacting with Robik or Lazer here? I don't.
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On January 02 2015 12:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
We dont need to switch to bats in an hour when no one is here to talk about it. Whats wrong with geript now?
What kind of reasoning is this? What wrong with lynching batsnacks? You said you think he is scum.
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Artanis:
FFL2 batsnacks mafia
Carol of the Bells batsnacks town
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